Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Array syntax []
-1 Another way of doing something already simple does not improve the language, imho, only degrades maintenance and documentation. If you have a time machine and can go back and make Rasmus do it this way from the beginning, fine, but not now. -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Array syntax []
-1 On Jan 14, 2008 1:38 AM, Lokrain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -1 On Jan 13, 2008 11:25 PM, Adler Medrado [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 Andi Gutmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu na notícia da mensagem:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Andi 2003: http://www.mail-archive.com/internals@lists.php.net/msg03896.html Andi's brain evolves 2007: http://marc.info/?l=php-internalsm=117057393530217w=2 And today I'm still +1. I really think by looking at some of the examples I worked through with my original posting in February and some of the recent comments the majority of people find [] more readable. It's cleaner, shorter and comes natural to most people. It's not about saving 5 characters as I type quickly, I really feel it's more readable and natural. We're kind of odd as a language in that sense i.e. array(...) I think almost everyone here agreed it'd benefit them and maybe the ones who don't would go through the same process I went through once they get used to it J Andi -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP-DEV] Re: Array syntax []
+1 Andi Gutmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu na notícia da mensagem:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Andi 2003: http://www.mail-archive.com/internals@lists.php.net/msg03896.html Andi's brain evolves 2007: http://marc.info/?l=php-internalsm=117057393530217w=2 And today I'm still +1. I really think by looking at some of the examples I worked through with my original posting in February and some of the recent comments the majority of people find [] more readable. It's cleaner, shorter and comes natural to most people. It's not about saving 5 characters as I type quickly, I really feel it's more readable and natural. We're kind of odd as a language in that sense i.e. array(...) I think almost everyone here agreed it'd benefit them and maybe the ones who don't would go through the same process I went through once they get used to it J Andi -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Array syntax []
-1 On Jan 13, 2008 11:25 PM, Adler Medrado [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 Andi Gutmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu na notícia da mensagem:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Andi 2003: http://www.mail-archive.com/internals@lists.php.net/msg03896.html Andi's brain evolves 2007: http://marc.info/?l=php-internalsm=117057393530217w=2 And today I'm still +1. I really think by looking at some of the examples I worked through with my original posting in February and some of the recent comments the majority of people find [] more readable. It's cleaner, shorter and comes natural to most people. It's not about saving 5 characters as I type quickly, I really feel it's more readable and natural. We're kind of odd as a language in that sense i.e. array(...) I think almost everyone here agreed it'd benefit them and maybe the ones who don't would go through the same process I went through once they get used to it J Andi -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP-DEV] Re: Array syntax []
I use PHP since version 5.0 release I'd like use this syntax $a = [ 2,6,9 ]; $b = ['a'=1 , 'v'='string']; foo(['bar'=2, 'test'=null]); Andi Gutmans пишет: Andi 2003: http://www.mail-archive.com/internals@lists.php.net/msg03896.html Andi's brain evolves 2007: http://marc.info/?l=php-internalsm=117057393530217w=2 And today I'm still +1. I really think by looking at some of the examples I worked through with my original posting in February and some of the recent comments the majority of people find [] more readable. It's cleaner, shorter and comes natural to most people. It's not about saving 5 characters as I type quickly, I really feel it's more readable and natural. We're kind of odd as a language in that sense i.e. array(...) I think almost everyone here agreed it'd benefit them and maybe the ones who don't would go through the same process I went through once they get used to it J Andi -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP-DEV] Re: Array syntax []
Hi, On Fri, 2008-01-11 at 12:40 +0300, Max Antonov wrote: I use PHP since version 5.0 release I'd like use this syntax $a = [ 2,6,9 ]; $b = ['a'=1 , 'v'='string']; foo(['bar'=2, 'test'=null]); The last line is exactly why I won't like such a syntax. Just consider the a bit worse call like foo([1, $a[2]]); I might even construct worse examples, but in the end you'll have to take a quite close look to see what's going on, whereas the array() syntax directly tells you hey, here's an array, it are just 5 letters, so typing it isn't too hard (especially when using an editor with completion) ... Yes, it's nice in short code, but I think it makes it way harder to read other people's code - and that's already hard enough. (I, myself, would, of course, ( ;-) ) use it right but I tend to read more code than I write) johannes -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP-DEV] Re: Array syntax []
Johannes Schlüter writes:
The last line is exactly why I won't like such a syntax. Just consider
the a bit worse call like
foo([1, $a[2]]);
I might even construct worse examples,
is this a good-readable code?
foo (array('a'=2,'b'=array('x'=5,'c'=array(1,4,2)),'n'=$bar[4]));
what difference in?
foo(['a'=2,'b'=['x'=5,'c'=[1,4,2]],'n'=$bar[4]]);
I think - it will be good readable in large projects too.
Please look to code of ExtJS JavaScript Library - this syntax native in
javascript and it very usable
(excuse me for my English)
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Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Array syntax []
Hi,
Guys, there is really no point to argue about aesthetic or taste. Make
your point by using +1/-1 and that's it. As said, the trolls quota has
been used already.
Thanks for my bandwidth,
On Jan 11, 2008 12:12 PM, Max Antonov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Johannes Schlüter writes:
The last line is exactly why I won't like such a syntax. Just consider
the a bit worse call like
foo([1, $a[2]]);
I might even construct worse examples,
is this a good-readable code?
foo (array('a'=2,'b'=array('x'=5,'c'=array(1,4,2)),'n'=$bar[4]));
what difference in?
foo(['a'=2,'b'=['x'=5,'c'=[1,4,2]],'n'=$bar[4]]);
I think - it will be good readable in large projects too.
Please look to code of ExtJS JavaScript Library - this syntax native in
javascript and it very usable
(excuse me for my English)
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Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Array syntax []
One problem, I have with this proposal is, that it isn't much like
javascript anyway. In javascript, there is a distinction between array
and hashmap, with different syntaxes. If anything, the syntax should
probably be {'foo' = 1, 'bar' = 2}.
I don't think the added noise is worth it though, since we already
have a syntax, which has worked for a decade. Having two different
syntaxes, for the exact same thing, isn't that great an idea. All
IMHO, of course.
-1 for those counting.
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Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Array syntax []
-1 -- Mikko Koppanen
Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Array syntax []
-1 PHP is not Python. --Marcelo On Jan 11, 2008 9:29 AM, Edin Kadribasic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 on option b. -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- Marcelo Araujo Founder Software Architect Cell Phone: +55 34 9144 1472 JMCodex (http://www.jmcodex.com) skype: marcelocrosara
Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Array syntax []
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Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Array syntax []
On Jan 11, 2008 1:19 PM, Pierre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Guys, there is really no point to argue about aesthetic or taste. Make your point by using +1/-1 and that's it. As said, the trolls quota has been used already. +1 FWIW :-) -- Giedrius -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Guys, there is really no point to argue about aesthetic or taste. Make your point by using +1/-1 and that's it. As said, the trolls quota has been used already. +1 -chuck -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Array syntax []
-1
On Jan 11, 2008, at 12:55 PM, troels knak-nielsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One problem, I have with this proposal is, that it isn't much like
javascript anyway. In javascript, there is a distinction between array
and hashmap, with different syntaxes. If anything, the syntax should
probably be {'foo' = 1, 'bar' = 2}.
I don't think the added noise is worth it though, since we already
have a syntax, which has worked for a decade. Having two different
syntaxes, for the exact same thing, isn't that great an idea. All
IMHO, of course.
-1 for those counting.
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[PHP-DEV] Re: Array syntax []
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:51:51 -0800, in php.internals [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andi Gutmans) wrote: Andi 2003: http://www.mail-archive.com/internals@lists.php.net/msg03896.html Andi's brain evolves 2007: http://marc.info/?l=php-internalsm=117057393530217w=2 And today I'm still +1. I really think by looking at some of the examples I worked through with my original posting in February and some of the recent comments the majority of people find [] more readable. It's cleaner, shorter and comes natural to most people. It's not about saving 5 characters as I type quickly, I really feel it's more readable and natural. We're kind of odd as a language in that sense i.e. array(...) I think almost everyone here agreed it'd benefit them and maybe the ones who don't would go through the same process I went through once they get used to it J Andi -- - Peter Brodersen -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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