Re: ion-3-20090110

2009-01-11 Thread Tobias Hommel
On Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 10:45:35PM +, Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
> 
> This is yet another maintenance release.
> 
I updated the gentoo ebuild, the new version can be found here:
https://svn.keksbude.net/repos/keks-overlay/x11-wm/ion3/

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Re: [SEMI-OT] Applications in a typical ion3 desktop environment

2009-01-11 Thread Tuomo Valkonen
On 2009-01-11, Sylvain Abélard  wrote:
> I also heard you can find companies that replace MacBooks screens with
> matte ones for $100.
> FYI, the "matte screen" option is $100, only available on the biggest $2500 
> Mac.

Yeah, they only seem to sell matte displays on corporate-priced stuff
worth more than your monthly salary. To people who want quality and 
are ready to pay for it. The typical idiot consumer is all wet over 
a 19" (wow, big number!) dragtop with a glossy (shineee! my precious!)
finish.

Matte display finish is like green paint: worth more than the device
it is covered with. \end{army joke}

(In theory e.g. the el cheapo Thinkpad SL400 should be available in 
matte, but all the shops only seem to carry glossy versions.)

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Re: [SEMI-OT] Applications in a typical ion3 desktop environment

2009-01-11 Thread Nick Murdoch

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:13:26 -, Sylvain Abélard 
 wrote:

Of course, you probably hate the Mac's UI and its lack of possible
customizations.
It certainly lacks configuration possibilities, but the multitouch
gestures make mac-WM less painful.
GeekBind did much about this, but does not work on the latest MacOS  
versions.

Maybe Nick has more MacOS WM-tricks, because I'm really new to Mac.


I suspect I'm just as new! The keyboard shortcuts for OS X do seem particularly 
difficult to remember (I have to look up screenshot and how to select the menu 
bar every time).

I only really use OS X as a casual OS; I can't manage without ion these days; 
floating wms just seem a pain in comparison.


Re: [SEMI-OT] Applications in a typical ion3 desktop environment

2009-01-11 Thread Sylvain Abélard
> If one can find an affordable notebook with a *matte* screen anymore,

I share your hate of glossy screens. It's been a few harsh years.

I happened to see a few matte-screen-laptops from Samsung recently,
maybe you can finally find one.
But then, it was quite a small-size (10 to 12") and probably
widescreen resolution.

I also heard you can find companies that replace MacBooks screens with
matte ones for $100.
FYI, the "matte screen" option is $100, only available on the biggest $2500 Mac.


Of course, you probably hate the Mac's UI and its lack of possible
customizations.
It certainly lacks configuration possibilities, but the multitouch
gestures make mac-WM less painful.
GeekBind did much about this, but does not work on the latest MacOS versions.
Maybe Nick has more MacOS WM-tricks, because I'm really new to Mac.


Good luck,

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Re: [SEMI-OT] Applications in a typical ion3 desktop environment

2009-01-11 Thread Nick Murdoch

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:39:16 -, Klaus Umbach 
 wrote:

On my desktop box:

Terminal emulator: roxterm
Text editor: vim
Mail: Opera
Browser: Opera
IM: bitlbee via irssi
Video-Player: mplayer
Audio-Player: vlc or mplayer
Display Manager: gdm or xdm
IRC: irssi
Shell: bash
Calculator: python
Dock: none
Backup: rsync/ssh

other stuff: screen, xscreensaver


On my laptop I have OS X :)

Terminal emulator: Terminal.app
Text editor: vim
Mail: n/a
Browser: Opera
IM: ssh to desktop screen with bitlbee/irssi
Video-Player: vkc
Audio-Player: vlc
Display Manager: n/a
IRC: ssh to desktop screen with irssi
Shell: bash
Calculator: python
Dock: Dock
Backup: rsync/ssh

other stuff: Chicken of the VNC, Adium (on occasion), VirtualBox


Re: [SEMI-OT] Applications in a typical ion3 desktop environment

2009-01-11 Thread Ivan Vilata i Balaguer
Klaus Umbach (el 2009-01-11 a les 17:39:16 +0100) va dir::

> Just out of curiosity, I'm interessted in what you are using on your
> desktop/notebook. I just want to have new ideas. Maybe other ion3 users
> have the same needs as I, but found better solutions.

I guess we'll see lots of interesting coincidences in this thread...

* Terminal emulator: rxvt-unicode
* Text editor: vim & emacs
* Mail: mutt, studying mairix for indexing until tracker does Maildir
* Browser: Firefox + It's All Text + lots of incremental search + profiles
* RSS reader: used to use newsbeuter
* Calendar: remind + wyrd
* Notes: emacs muse
* Video player: VLC
* Audio player: MPD + mpdscrible + ncmpc, sometimes MOC, lastfm
* IM: pidgin
* Dock: trayion
* Others: xwrits (one instance for micropauses, one for long rests), unclutter,
  xscreensaver (black screen), tracker
* Backup: unison, rdiff-backup

I no longer use it, but the giFT project had an extraordinarily elegant P2P
client called giFTcurs that would be nice to see revived (at least in spirit).

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Re: [SEMI-OT] Applications in a typical ion3 desktop environment

2009-01-11 Thread Tuomo Valkonen
On 2009-01-11, Klaus Umbach  wrote:
> Hi,
> Just out of curiosity, I'm interessted in what you are using on your
> desktop/notebook. I just want to have new ideas. Maybe other ion3 users
> have the same needs as I, but found better solutions.

Windows 7. If it's come out when I get a notebook.

If one can find an affordable notebook with a *matte* screen anymore,
when I finally need a mobile computer; right now I don't. Glossy 
*trinkets* attract the herd like fly traps attract flies, and so it's
hard to find anything that doesn't hurt your eyes anymore. Another 
thing I've noticed is that even tabletops tend to come with _shitty_
laptop-like keyboards these days with too short movement of the keys
to be comfortable to type. But the herd is happy with them, and so
all the time it becomes more and more trouble to find even something
half-decent -- that was standard a few years before -- let alone 
something actually good.

Yes, W7 is Hitlery [1], but better than Vista (or Modern Linux, 
and worse than XP or Old Unix. But you need Modern OS to run
a Modern Browser to use Modern Internet Services, etc. All 
of them shit, but all the time getting more complicated to
live without. Unfortunately.)

All the glyphs look like swastikas, they're so blurred [2].

They've actually finally _removed_ the option to disable font 
blurring from the panel where it was easily accessible in XP, 
and which you had to hunt a bit in Vista, and even after then
didn't disable all blurring. They've added a Smeartype tuner 
that lets you choose between a zillion types of blurring, but
not to disable it altogether. But it still seems to be possible
to disable blurring by a) switching to a theme with non-shitty
fonts, e.g., the W98-lookalike (Segui UI is shit), and b) setting
some FontSmoothing values in the registry to zero. (However, 
switching the theme resets them.)

Other than that, W7 seems clearly faster than Vista -- it's even
usable in VMWare after some initial disk crunching on my Athlon
XP 2500+ / 768MB. The sorry attempts at tiling by throwing the
window to the side of the screen seem like they could be quite
nice on a tablet, but clearly doesn't scale due to lack of tabbing.
The Ribbon UI actually seems like it could be quite nice if it
served as _documentation_, displaying the keys corresponding to
the buttons etc. when e.g. a modifier is pressed. But of course,
since Vista, Windows has _hidden_ all the keyboard shortcut 
(*beep* the term "shortcut" implies fundamentally flawed design)
by default; you've had to enable them fron the accessibility 
options in the control panel.

> Terminal emulator: rxvt-unicode

pfft. xterm.

> Text editor: vim

pfft. joe. (joe.sf.net)

> Mail: mutt with offlineimap and lbdb to read my Palm's addressbook.
> Browser: Firefox with "It's All Text", "vimperator" and "FireGestures"

All browsers that can the technological shithole of the World (Wide
Web), can do nothing but suck, but Opera sucks the least.

> Audio-Player: amarok (looking for something better with ipod, DAAP and
>   podcast-support!)

http://moc.daper.net/

A simple player that lets me use the file system for organising 
my music, instead of reinventing the wheel and enforcing an
aoverbearing playlist system. (The ever so popular mpd sucks 
donkey balls.)

I've heard good words about foobar2000, though.

> Calculator: bc

bc? What use is it? Try calc. 

(Probably http://sourceforge.net/projects/calc/ as I get

~$ calc -v
C-style arbitrary precision calculator (version 2.12.1.5)

)

> Backup: rsnapshot

I've yet to find a backup tool that wouldn't suck. For *nix anyway.

Using duplicity ATM (to another local disk), because I had plans 
of a network backup. But it can't handle file moves sanely, i.e., 
just storing the action, not a new copy of the file. Brackup
seemed like it would be nice, being based on hashes, but it's
just broken. But *nix has got these inode numbers which would
really suffice...


  [1]: http://xkcd.com/528/

  [2]: http://iki.fi/tuomov/b/archives/2008/03/20/T13_47_17/


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Re: [SEMI-OT] Applications in a typical ion3 desktop environment

2009-01-11 Thread Leslie P. Polzer

> Terminal emulator: rxvt-unicode

I use mlterm and have also found xterm to be an alternative.


> IM: psi (+ skype)

I use Pidgin and Freetalk.
Judging from your other apps and setup you might like Freetalk.


> Audio-Player: amarok (looking for something better with ipod, DAAP and
>   podcast-support!)

Yeah, all currently available music players suck in some way or
another.


> Display Manager: xdm

There are some slim alternative login managers.


> Calculator: bc

Try 'calc'[1].

  Leslie


[1] http://www.isthe.com/chongo/tech/comp/calc/

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[SEMI-OT] Applications in a typical ion3 desktop environment

2009-01-11 Thread Klaus Umbach
Hi,
Just out of curiosity, I'm interessted in what you are using on your
desktop/notebook. I just want to have new ideas. Maybe other ion3 users
have the same needs as I, but found better solutions.

Here is my list:

Terminal emulator: rxvt-unicode
Text editor: vim
Mail: mutt with offlineimap and lbdb to read my Palm's addressbook.
Browser: Firefox with "It's All Text", "vimperator" and "FireGestures"
IM: psi (+ skype)
Video-Player: mplayer
Audio-Player: amarok (looking for something better with ipod, DAAP and
  podcast-support!)
Display Manager: xdm
IRC: irssi
Shell: zsh
Calculator: bc
Dock: docker
Backup: rsnapshot

other stuff: gkrellm, xfce-mcs-manager, xscreensaver (bsod), unclutter,
 gnupod, jpilot

and only on the Netbook: gnome-power-manager, bluetooth-applet, nm-applet


Screenshot: http://www.sozial-inkompetent.de/ion3/cyberdeck.png

Cheers
Treibholz

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