Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises
Benedikt Merkl via ipv6-wg wrote on 01/06/2023 15:25: The government still relies on their Fax machines, so not sure if that is going to happen soon. But you have my support on shutting v4 services. :) Which government service would you suggest shutting down on ipv4? The online tax submission portal? Pension services? Nick -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ipv6-wg
Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises
I know this is not quite what you mean, but there are IPv6 only government websites already. :) Such as https://clintonwhitehouse2.archives.gov --Dan On Thu, Jun 1, 2023 at 9:21 AM Wilhelm Boeddinghaus wrote: > Hi Andreas, > > if the government starts shutting down services with IPv4, the pressure > for IPv6 will rise :-) There are no laws needed. > > Best, > > Wilhelm > Am 31.05.2023 um 08:52 schrieb Springob, Andreas (IIT-CSS/Network & > Identity Solutions): > > Hi Wilhelm, > > Lot of things were said and all are correct. Lack of knowledge, budget, > priority, interest, projects, success. It might be rather an approach for > RIPE and other RIRs to get in contact with governmental units, setting up > legislation as with the office of management and budget in the US: > https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/M-21-07.pdf / > "Completing the Transition to Internet Protocol Version 6 (IPv6)" > > I believe that no government will successfully force companies by laws, > but it'll be rather an idea to start with governmental department and > public services first things. Submitting companies' annual financial > statements, registering cars, health related information to public > insurances via IPV6 only would massively help. But that's a long road. RIRs > might help with consulting for free / small charge, but without governments > and legislation, companies do what they're supposed to... earning revenue > with minimum effort. > > If there's any request for support in a small working group, you can > contact me for further discussions. > > > > > Mit freundlichen Grüßen > > Best regards, > > Andreas Springob > > Senior IT Consultant > > *ALDI International Services SE & Co. oHG* > > IIT Corporate Shared Services - Network & Identity Solutions > > Mintarder Straße 36-40 > > 45481 Mülheim an der Ruhr > > Germany > > Tel: +49 208 2072-4072 > * SAVE PAPER - THINK BEFORE YOU PRINT* > > > > > > > > > *Diese Nachricht einschließlich Anlagen ist ausschließlich für den > angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt und kann privilegierte, > vertrauliche oder sonst geschützte Informationen enthalten. Sollten Sie diese > Nachricht irrtümlich erhalten, sind Ihnen > Kenntnisnahme, Vervielfältigung, Weiterleitung oder sonstige Verwertung > ausdrücklich untersagt. Bitte benachrichtigen Sie > den oben angegebenen Absender und löschen Sie die empfangene Nachricht. > This message including the enclosures is intended exclusively for the > recipient stated and can contain privileged, confidential or > otherwise protected information. Should you receive this message by mistake, > it is strictly prohibited for you to use, disseminate, > forward, print or copy this message. Please inform the sender mentioned above > and delete the message received. > * > > *ALDI International Services SE & Co. oHG*, Mintarder Straße 36-40, 45481 > Mülheim an der Ruhr > > Offene Handelsgesellschaft, eingetragen Amtsgericht Duisburg, HRA 8577 > > Geschäftsführende Gesellschafterin: ALDI International Services & > Administration SE, Mülheim an der Ruhr ∙ Registergericht: Amtsgericht > Duisburg · HRB 34355 > > Geschäftsführende Direktoren: Dr. David Godschalk, Daniel Koch, Reiner > Mischke, Inka Rückle > > Weitere Gesellschafter: ALDI SE & Co. Kommanditgesellschaften der > Unternehmensgruppe ALDI SÜD > > > > -Original Message- > From: ipv6-wg On Behalf Of Paolo Volpato via > ipv6-wg > Sent: Mittwoch, 31. Mai 2023 08:42 > To: Wilhelm Boeddinghaus > Cc: ipv6-wg@ripe.net > Subject: Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises > > Caution: This email originated from outside of the ALDI-HOFER > organisation. If the content looks suspicious, please report this email via > the "Phish Alert Report" button or the ServiceNow request "Report Security > Event". > Do not click on any links or open attachments unless you recognise the > sender's email address and you are sure the content is safe. > > > Hi Wilhelm, > > In addition, I would add that they also lack the budget to consider > deploying IPv6, meaning that enterprises don't consider IPv6 as a priority. > At least, this is what we found during the editing of RFC 9386 on IPv6 > deployment status. > > I would be happy to contribute to this effort. > > Best regards > Paolo > > -Original Message- > From: ipv6-wg On Behalf Of Wilhelm Boeddinghaus > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 6:06 PM > To: ipv6-wg@ripe.net > Subject: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises > > Hi, > > at the end of my talk during the RIPE86 IPv6 working group I promised to > start work on a paper with clear guidance for enterprises to migrate their > networks to IPv6. > > We have often wondere why enterprises do not migrate to IPv6. One possible > answer is: They have no time and they lack knowledge. Many IT departments > don't have any spare time for reading RFCs. > > From my understanding these IT departments don't need papers explaining > the many possibilites to choose from. They need very clear guidance and > exa
Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises
The government still relies on their Fax machines, so not sure if that is going to happen soon. But you have my support on shutting v4 services. :) On June 1, 2023 4:21:40 PM GMT+02:00, Wilhelm Boeddinghaus wrote: >Hi Andreas, > >if the government starts shutting down services with IPv4, the pressure for >IPv6 will rise :-) There are no laws needed. > >Best, > >Wilhelm > >Am 31.05.2023 um 08:52 schrieb Springob, Andreas (IIT-CSS/Network & Identity >Solutions): >> Hi Wilhelm, >> >> Lot of things were said and all are correct. Lack of knowledge, budget, >> priority, interest, projects, success. It might be rather an approach for >> RIPE and other RIRs to get in contact with governmental units, setting up >> legislation as with the office of management and budget in the US: >> https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/M-21-07.pdf / >> "Completing the Transition to Internet Protocol Version 6 (IPv6)" >> >> I believe that no government will successfully force companies by laws, but >> it'll be rather an idea to start with governmental department and public >> services first things. Submitting companies' annual financial statements, >> registering cars, health related information to public insurances via IPV6 >> only would massively help. But that's a long road. RIRs might help with >> consulting for free / small charge, but without governments and legislation, >> companies do what they're supposed to... earning revenue with minimum effort. >> >> If there's any request for support in a small working group, you can contact >> me for further discussions. >> >> >> Mit freundlichen Grüßen >> >> Best regards, >> >> Andreas Springob >> >> Senior IT Consultant >> >> *ALDI International Services SE & Co. oHG* >> >> IIT Corporate Shared Services - Network & Identity Solutions >> >> Mintarder Straße 36-40 >> >> 45481 Mülheim an der Ruhr >> >> Germany >> >> Tel: +49 208 2072-4072 >> >> * SAVE PAPER - THINK BEFORE YOU PRINT* >> >> >> /Diese Nachricht einschließlich Anlagen ist ausschließlich für den >> angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt und kann privilegierte, >> vertrauliche oder sonst geschützte Informationen enthalten. Sollten Sie >> diese Nachricht irrtümlich erhalten, sind Ihnen >> Kenntnisnahme, Vervielfältigung, Weiterleitung oder sonstige Verwertung >> ausdrücklich untersagt. Bitte benachrichtigen Sie >> den oben angegebenen Absender und löschen Sie die empfangene Nachricht. >> >> This message including the enclosures is intended exclusively for the >> recipient stated and can contain privileged, confidential or >> otherwise protected information. Should you receive this message by mistake, >> it is strictly prohibited for you to use, disseminate, >> forward, print or copy this message. Please inform the sender mentioned >> above and delete the message received. >> / >> >> *ALDI International Services SE & Co. oHG*,Mintarder Straße >> 36-40,45481Mülheim an der Ruhr >> >> Offene Handelsgesellschaft, eingetragen Amtsgericht Duisburg, HRA 8577 >> >> Geschäftsführende Gesellschafterin: ALDI International Services & >> Administration SE, Mülheim an der Ruhr ∙ Registergericht: Amtsgericht >> Duisburg · HRB 34355 >> >> Geschäftsführende Direktoren: Dr. David Godschalk, Daniel Koch, Reiner >> Mischke, Inka Rückle >> >> Weitere Gesellschafter: ALDI SE & Co. Kommanditgesellschaften der >> Unternehmensgruppe ALDI SÜD >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: ipv6-wg On Behalf Of Paolo Volpato via >> ipv6-wg >> Sent: Mittwoch, 31. Mai 2023 08:42 >> To: Wilhelm Boeddinghaus >> Cc: ipv6-wg@ripe.net >> Subject: Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises >> >> Caution: This email originated from outside of the ALDI-HOFER organisation. >> If the content looks suspicious, please report this email via the "Phish >> Alert Report" button or the ServiceNow request "Report Security Event". >> Do not click on any links or open attachments unless you recognise the >> sender's email address and you are sure the content is safe. >> >> >> Hi Wilhelm, >> >> In addition, I would add that they also lack the budget to consider >> deploying IPv6, meaning that enterprises don't consider IPv6 as a priority. >> At least, this is what we found during the editing of RFC 9386 on IPv6 >> deployment status. >> >> I would be happy to contribute to this effort. >> >> Best regards >> Paolo >> >> -Original Message- >> From: ipv6-wg On Behalf Of Wilhelm Boeddinghaus >> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 6:06 PM >> To: ipv6-wg@ripe.net >> Subject: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises >> >> Hi, >> >> at the end of my talk during the RIPE86 IPv6 working group I promised to >> start work on a paper with clear guidance for enterprises to migrate their >> networks to IPv6. >> >> We have often wondere why enterprises do not migrate to IPv6. One possible >> answer is: They have no time and they lack knowledge. Many IT departments >> don't have any spare time for reading
Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises
Hi Andreas, if the government starts shutting down services with IPv4, the pressure for IPv6 will rise :-) There are no laws needed. Best, Wilhelm Am 31.05.2023 um 08:52 schrieb Springob, Andreas (IIT-CSS/Network & Identity Solutions): Hi Wilhelm, Lot of things were said and all are correct. Lack of knowledge, budget, priority, interest, projects, success. It might be rather an approach for RIPE and other RIRs to get in contact with governmental units, setting up legislation as with the office of management and budget in the US: https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/M-21-07.pdf / "Completing the Transition to Internet Protocol Version 6 (IPv6)" I believe that no government will successfully force companies by laws, but it'll be rather an idea to start with governmental department and public services first things. Submitting companies' annual financial statements, registering cars, health related information to public insurances via IPV6 only would massively help. But that's a long road. RIRs might help with consulting for free / small charge, but without governments and legislation, companies do what they're supposed to... earning revenue with minimum effort. If there's any request for support in a small working group, you can contact me for further discussions. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Best regards, Andreas Springob Senior IT Consultant *ALDI International Services SE & Co. oHG* IIT Corporate Shared Services - Network & Identity Solutions Mintarder Straße 36-40 45481 Mülheim an der Ruhr Germany Tel: +49 208 2072-4072 * SAVE PAPER - THINK BEFORE YOU PRINT* /Diese Nachricht einschließlich Anlagen ist ausschließlich für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt und kann privilegierte, vertrauliche oder sonst geschützte Informationen enthalten. Sollten Sie diese Nachricht irrtümlich erhalten, sind Ihnen Kenntnisnahme, Vervielfältigung, Weiterleitung oder sonstige Verwertung ausdrücklich untersagt. Bitte benachrichtigen Sie den oben angegebenen Absender und löschen Sie die empfangene Nachricht. This message including the enclosures is intended exclusively for the recipient stated and can contain privileged, confidential or otherwise protected information. Should you receive this message by mistake, it is strictly prohibited for you to use, disseminate, forward, print or copy this message. Please inform the sender mentioned above and delete the message received. / *ALDI International Services SE & Co. oHG*,Mintarder Straße 36-40,45481Mülheim an der Ruhr Offene Handelsgesellschaft, eingetragen Amtsgericht Duisburg, HRA 8577 Geschäftsführende Gesellschafterin: ALDI International Services & Administration SE, Mülheim an der Ruhr ∙ Registergericht: Amtsgericht Duisburg · HRB 34355 Geschäftsführende Direktoren: Dr. David Godschalk, Daniel Koch, Reiner Mischke, Inka Rückle Weitere Gesellschafter: ALDI SE & Co. Kommanditgesellschaften der Unternehmensgruppe ALDI SÜD -Original Message- From: ipv6-wg On Behalf Of Paolo Volpato via ipv6-wg Sent: Mittwoch, 31. Mai 2023 08:42 To: Wilhelm Boeddinghaus Cc: ipv6-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises Caution: This email originated from outside of the ALDI-HOFER organisation. If the content looks suspicious, please report this email via the "Phish Alert Report" button or the ServiceNow request "Report Security Event". Do not click on any links or open attachments unless you recognise the sender's email address and you are sure the content is safe. Hi Wilhelm, In addition, I would add that they also lack the budget to consider deploying IPv6, meaning that enterprises don't consider IPv6 as a priority. At least, this is what we found during the editing of RFC 9386 on IPv6 deployment status. I would be happy to contribute to this effort. Best regards Paolo -Original Message- From: ipv6-wg On Behalf Of Wilhelm Boeddinghaus Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 6:06 PM To: ipv6-wg@ripe.net Subject: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises Hi, at the end of my talk during the RIPE86 IPv6 working group I promised to start work on a paper with clear guidance for enterprises to migrate their networks to IPv6. We have often wondere why enterprises do not migrate to IPv6. One possible answer is: They have no time and they lack knowledge. Many IT departments don't have any spare time for reading RFCs. From my understanding these IT departments don't need papers explaining the many possibilites to choose from. They need very clear guidance and examples. I am looking for 3 to 4 people who would like to start working on this with me. Peter Hessler contacted me during the meeting and he offered his help, time and expertise for this project. Thank you, Peter. Best, Wilhelm -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ipv6-wg
Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises
Hi Paolo, thanks for your help with this project. Lack of budget is of course a problem. But if the IT departments could at least quantify the budget, this would help. If they have no idea how to start the project, a budget eastimation is not possible. Best, Wilhelm Am 31.05.2023 um 08:42 schrieb Paolo Volpato via ipv6-wg: Hi Wilhelm, In addition, I would add that they also lack the budget to consider deploying IPv6, meaning that enterprises don't consider IPv6 as a priority. At least, this is what we found during the editing of RFC 9386 on IPv6 deployment status. I would be happy to contribute to this effort. Best regards Paolo -Original Message- From: ipv6-wg On Behalf Of Wilhelm Boeddinghaus Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 6:06 PM To: ipv6-wg@ripe.net Subject: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises Hi, at the end of my talk during the RIPE86 IPv6 working group I promised to start work on a paper with clear guidance for enterprises to migrate their networks to IPv6. We have often wondere why enterprises do not migrate to IPv6. One possible answer is: They have no time and they lack knowledge. Many IT departments don't have any spare time for reading RFCs. From my understanding these IT departments don't need papers explaining the many possibilites to choose from. They need very clear guidance and examples. I am looking for 3 to 4 people who would like to start working on this with me. Peter Hessler contacted me during the meeting and he offered his help, time and expertise for this project. Thank you, Peter. Best, Wilhelm -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ipv6-wg
Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises
On 5/30/23 19:06, Wilhelm Boeddinghaus wrote: They have no time and they lack knowledge Well, they seem to have the time to learn about and invest in complicated and outdated NAT solutions in order to stretch what little IPv4 they have. Let's produce some IPv6-only (with some proper transition tech at the edges) guides for them. Now that's something I would totally get behind :) Regards, Yannis -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ipv6-wg
