Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises
Hi, On Sun, Jun 04, 2023 at 08:16:58PM +, Jordan A. Borgner wrote: > What's very important too is to get the application developers on board. > Advances in the software that uses the network (and gives it its reason > to exist) is a crucial factor I think. If there are technical benefits > that can be achieved using IPv6 but not Legacy IP (too tired to think of > some now), you may feel a difference between IPv6 and Legacy IP at some > point and the latter may become outpaced. So developers need to be > convinced too. And taught about it. Tried that. There is no "killer feature" in IPv6, it's just plumbing in a different colour. And, to an application developer, dual-stack is lots of extra hassles... so unless customers are making it a hard requirement (procurement guidelines), it's much easier to just not bother and stick to IPv4-only. (IPv6-only is similar to IPv4-only, but dual-stack, happy eyeballs, logging, filtering for v4 and v6, and all that is just extra nuisance) Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ipv6-wg
Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises
On 6/3/23 12:33, Gert Doering wrote: > So, what else can we do? At the end a number of factors that make up the big picture must play together to roll that stone up the hill, and all of them influence one another, at least a bit. Compatibility to other networks, amount of work to maintain the own network, demand on IPv6 products, better offers of IPv6 products etc, you called it. Making IPv4 expensive is one good step. An official renaming of IPv4 to "Legacy IP" or "IP Legacy", at least by the vendors, might be a good psychological trick. What's very important too is to get the application developers on board. Advances in the software that uses the network (and gives it its reason to exist) is a crucial factor I think. If there are technical benefits that can be achieved using IPv6 but not Legacy IP (too tired to think of some now), you may feel a difference between IPv6 and Legacy IP at some point and the latter may become outpaced. So developers need to be convinced too. And taught about it. -- Jordan A. Borgner -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ipv6-wg
Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises
Willing to contribute here also. As many stated. IPv6 is mostly seen as costs now, together with not all people knowledgeable enough. Practical examples might help loads of businesses. Personally I've developed many scripts for our company and similar companies to be able to setup dual-stack (or ipv6-only) properly. Robin Op 31 mei 2023 08:42 schreef Paolo Volpato via ipv6-wg : Hi Wilhelm, In addition, I would add that they also lack the budget to consider deploying IPv6, meaning that enterprises don't consider IPv6 as a priority. At least, this is what we found during the editing of RFC 9386 on IPv6 deployment status. I would be happy to contribute to this effort. Best regards Paolo -Original Message- From: ipv6-wg On Behalf Of Wilhelm Boeddinghaus Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 6:06 PM To: ipv6-wg@ripe.net Subject: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises Hi, at the end of my talk during the RIPE86 IPv6 working group I promised to start work on a paper with clear guidance for enterprises to migrate their networks to IPv6. We have often wondere why enterprises do not migrate to IPv6. One possible answer is: They have no time and they lack knowledge. Many IT departments don't have any spare time for reading RFCs. From my understanding these IT departments don't need papers explaining the many possibilites to choose from. They need very clear guidance and examples. I am looking for 3 to 4 people who would like to start working on this with me. Peter Hessler contacted me during the meeting and he offered his help, time and expertise for this project. Thank you, Peter. Best, Wilhelm -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ipv6-wg -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ipv6-wg -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ipv6-wg
