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Date: 24 May 2023, 11:00 - 12:30 (UTC+2)
Chairs: Benedikt Stockebrand, Jen Linkova, Raymond Jetten
Scribe: Tayfun Ozaltin
Status:
1. Welcome
Jen Linkova, IPv6 WG Co-chair
The presentation is available at:
https://ripe86.ripe.net/wp-content/uploads/presentations/8-RIPE-86-IPv6-WG.pdf
Jen Linkova welcomed everyone and introduced the co-chairs. The RIPE 85 minutes
were approved.
1. Advanced IPv6 Course Input Request
Tayfun Ozaltin, RIPE NCC
The presentation is available at:
https://ripe86.ripe.net/wp-content/uploads/presentations/105-RIPE-86-Slide-AdvIPv6.pdf
Tayfun Ozaltin, RIPE NCC, asked for input on the advanced IPv6 e-learning
course that was being developed.
There were no questions.
1. Deploying IPv6 and/or CGNAT
Rinse Kloek, Delta Fiber / Kindes
The presentation is available at:
https://ripe86.ripe.net/wp-content/uploads/presentations/67-RPE86-IPv6-deployment-journey.pdf_1.2.pdf
Rinse explained how their company made a transition from IPv4-only to an IPv6
supporting network. He mentioned the challenges they had during the
implementation.
Yannis Nikolopulos, Cellmobile, asked who the vendor was and what the real
story was behind the denial. Rinse answered that Nokia was the vendor and that
they did not support MAP-E and MAP-T. After several rounds of discussions,
Rinse could not convince them to support these transition techniques. Yannis
asked about the details of the deployment scenario. Rinse replied that they
were using CGNAT, so the user was getting an internal IP address, a 164
address, and they were planning to assign the customers a v6 prefix as well.
Thomas Schäfer, LMU, asked about the number of users who were already using
IPv6 in their network. Rinse answered that they currently had about 50 friendly
users (test users). Thomas added that it would be better to bypass internal
services with IPv6. Rinse agreed and said that IPv6 was the way to go and that
they already had a plan for it.
Branimir Rajtar, 5x9 Networks, asked if they had implemented IPv6 in the core
network as well or if they used 6PE/6VPE. Rinse answered that everything was
dual-stack since day one in both the core and access networks.
Peter Hessler, Globalways GmbH, said that the community should encourage people
to deploy IPv6 whenever they were ready for it.
Brian Storey, Gamma Telecom Limited, asked how long it had taken to reach this
state and how they envisioned documenting IPv6 for their customers. Rinse
answered that they hope by the end of this year 20% of the users will be IPv6
enabled, and next year it may be 80-100%.
Peter Head, Gigaclear, asked for more elaboration on why they filtered the
DHCPv6 releases. They decided to follow it up offline.
1. Clear Guidance for Implementing IPv6 in Enterprises
Wilhelm Boeddinghaus
The presentation is available at:
https://ripe86.ripe.net/wp-content/uploads/presentations/123-RIPE86-IPv6-Wilhelm-Boeddinghaus-Clear-Guidance.pdf
Wilhelm Boeddinghaus emphasized the need for clear guidance on IPv6 deployment
phases, challenges, and steps, especially for enterprise IT departments. He
asked the question, "Can we as the community provide this clear guidance to the
enterprises?"
Peter Hessler said that he liked the idea and mentioned that it would be hugely
beneficial to a lot of enterprises.
Marco Davids, SIDN Labs, asked if Wilhelm agreed with him that the working
group should also work on getting IPv6 knowledge into schools and universities
so that young students have at least some knowledge. Wilhelm agreed. He
emphasized that students in universities were still learning IPv4, and we
needed to educate young people about IPv6.
An audience speaker said that it was not only enterprises but also ISPs who
needed to learn about this. He claimed that even big ISPs do not know how IPv6
works. Wilhelm agreed but also claimed that enterprises had many more problems
since their core business was not IT.
Urban Suhadolnik, TU Graz, agreed with the previous comments about
universities. Wilhelm emphasized once again that universities should involve
themselves much more in this.
Gert Doering, SpaceNet AG, agreed and thanked Wilhelm for bringing up
enterprise problems regarding IPv6 transition into the meeting. He added that
he would like to help with the new BCOP for enterprises. He said that it will
not be easy to pick up and agree on the right solution, but that it should be
tried. Wilhelm agreed and said we should also involve enterprise admins in our
group.
Benedikt Stockebrand said that since most IT people in academia didn't receive
any network training at all, it was still the RIPE community's job to spread
the word at a level that people without a proper IT background can handle. Jen
contributed to this with another online comment indicating that as the
