Re: [IRCA] iPhones and IBOC
Bruce, I remember Gene Allen years ago forecasting that AM would someday be more like it once was without the number of stations we have today. With the economy the way it is, I am amazed all these thousands of AM FM stations can stay afloat. Running a station is not inexpensive. The electric bills alone killed KDUN. I do agree that most listeners in the future will be listening on computers, Ipods, etc. That's where the ads will be too, not much on FM and probably none on AM. One of the big furnature companies, Wickes is gone bankrupt, so with well known long lasting companies losing it, the world is certainly changing. Patrick Patrick Martin KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] iPhones and IBOC
Lee, I have seen satellite TV evolve from analog back when I bought my 8.5 foot dish in 1985 to all digital today. A lot less expensive to rent a part of a transponder rather than 1/2 of one in analog. Plus you can get 20 channels per transponder where you used to get only two at one time. Then came along the little dish and that changed TV viewing forever for many folks. Things change. Radio will die out someday and it will be something else. Nothing lasts forever. I am just so happy I got a good piece of the AM DX hobby and the QSLs. Someday things like that will be museum pieces, along with turntabes, and transmitters. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Non-support of IBOC
KAZ, Totally agree. IBOC will lay the biggest egg in broadcasting history. Well...It already has, but many don't know it. How can you have a success with IBOC without the radios listeners? One has to wonder why no one has asked that question. Maybe they have but no one is listening? If fuel gets to $10 a gallon, none of that will matter anyway. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
[IRCA] TP's for 06-10-08
-- Good Morning: Listened from 1135-1221 ut. MW conditions down here this morning, no level 5 carriers. 279Russia, Radio Rossii weak at 1135 with woman in Russian. Carrier levels: 4)180-648-657-738-774-891-1008-1053-1566- 3)567-675-765-1026-1098-1007-1125- 2)594-684-702-837-936-1017-1116-1134-1386-1575- Dennis, Salmon Creek, WA JRC-545 Ewe West ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
[IRCA] DU from Orcas Island - June 10
Was up early and couldn't resist giving the band a try starting 40 minutes before dawn (1140 UTC). That first sweep up the band was probably the best, though each time I went up, I ended up with about 5 or 6 threshold audios, often different and almost all just above or just below language recognition. The composite list of audios: 567 612 ABC News 4QR Brisbane pres. 639 675//756 Nat Radio Christchurch 738 756//675 Nat Radio Auckland 774 783 792 828 891 1017 low pops NZ? 1053 DU talk 1116 1386 Hindi mx. The Hindi from Radio Tarana, Auckland (pres.) was only present on the first run at about 1145. The best was 756//675 from New Zealand. 675 must have worked on their transmitter or antenna/ground system as I don't think that I've heard them since the old days (1990) when they were 3YA and I QSLed them. Nice morning! John B. Orcas Island, WA, USA Rcvrs: WiNRADiO 313e, Eton e1, Ultralights Antennas: Two 70' x 100' Conti Super Loops, West and Northwest ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
[IRCA] NE Oregon TPs, Tuesday
A few DU stations heard on MW this morning, but all at poor levels. Even hets weren't very good this morning--1098 is usually the loudest and even it wasn't very strong each time I checked. 567 with poor DU talk, 1207 utc; 612 with occasional very poor talk, couldn't even confirm it was DU, 1214 utc; 738 very poor occasional DU talk, 1201 utc; 774 very poor/poor DU talk, 1203 utc; 891 poor male and female DU talk (not racing format), best at 1215 utc; 1116 very poor/poor DU talk, 1210 utc. Everything gone by 1220 utc. LWBC Far East Russia 180, 279 weak at 1113 utc. Steve NE Oregon R75, AR7030, longwires ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
[IRCA] not DU from Vancouver Island - June 10
At 12:35 6/10/2008, you wrote: 1386 Hindi mx. The Hindi from Radio Tarana, Auckland (pres.) was only present on the first run at about 1145. Interesting, I missed the party (maybe), by stopping by the radio at 1205UT, which is too early to be up when you're not going back to bed, but there it is. However, at 1213UT, presumed R. Tarana popped up for about a minute with Hindi sounding music, very weak. No other audios, though fair carriers on 738, 1296 and 1503 at least briefly. Nick * Nick Hall-Patch Victoria, BC Canada ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] iPhones and IBOC
You know, Craig, I have a more than sneaking suspcion that within the next couple of decades we're going to see OTA radio (including satellite delivery) go the way of the Dodo in any major population area (or well-travelled highway.) The 'net streamcaster model is going to continue to evolve and will become the preferred method of delivery and programming for Joe Listener. Yes. It is an absolute given that wireless internet connectivity will increase. A very large segment of the population wants it, and is happy to pay for it. Streaming audio is simply going along for the ride. Once streaming audio is available to large enough segment, stations can shut down the OTA transmitter and not lose listeners. What they will lose is the necessity to deal with the FCC. That in itself is a huge benefit. Outside of the areas where a good wireless soup can be maintained you'll still have viable markets for listeners but even they (the stations serving to fill those holes) will have to start thinking about serving the audience rather than shareholder value once more. The down side of all this is that radio stations will drastically decrease in numbers on AM and FM. I look at the model that cell phones created. In the 70's, portable phones were high band VHF and required a rather involved installation. Today you go to a store and buy a prepaid phone and are underway at the ring of a cash register. Coverage is nearly universal. Project that out to an overlay of internet connectivity such as 3G and you can see it's already well underway. Radio stations are adding streams. Most of my clients have them, and two that don't are satellite fed oldies stations where streaming of that content is prohibited. One of those two does local sports and Sunday shows. The other is just a clone repeater of sat content. If that station were to go dark, I doubt many would even notice. The automation screwed up some time ago repeating the same short Frank Sinatra content, and it was almost two days before someone called them. The up side is that (barring PAC-motivated federal interference) the stations left for us to listen to (and DX) will be much more in touch with their audiences' desires and far less likely to belong to a monolithic entity. One thing that will very much restrict government interference with streaming is the fact that streams cross borders. All it will take is a number of very hungry small nations who decide that hosting servers is better than exporting bananas and tourist trinkets. They will host streams, and governments will have a hard time blocking it. There is a very large movement out there that does not want the internet restricted or even taxed. A tax equates to a restriction. The RIAA is killing itself and the music industry with it's idiotic lawsuit pattern and may well be bypassed by technology rather soon. If a small country with a big pipeline allows programmers to create a great stream, listeners will find it. Heck, I run my own stream out of my office with music that I like. It's be great to hear that in my truck. Add in an automated switch to top of the hour news and weather forecasts, and I'd just create my own radio station. And no need for advertising or bad DJs. So, now's the time to buy those AM and FMs with good coverage *outside* of major metropolitan areas! A guideline would be to see where cell phones don't work. That makes only the most remote stations worthwhile. I just hope that I can either find work in the cell industry or retire before radio collapses. It's gonna be interesting. Picture the band with IBOC gone and 3/4 of the stations dark. Foreign stations would more than likely still be there, so DX would be plentiful. Ahh.. Craig Healy Providence, RI ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] iPhones and IBOC
That makes me want to reach for a bottle of Gerotol. Hoperfully we will get 10 yrs of the real oldies first ( 1950-1962 ) before that. Dont see much of a future in MYL type stations with that generation sadly dropping like flys. As far as IBOC goes it must be all but dead. How many AM's are getting conned into it lately ? A bad dream almost over. Move over Mitch Miller make room for Big Joe Turner 73 Tom Jones Mason N.H. On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 21:43:27 -0700 Bruce Portzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In another decade, FM will be frequented mostly by elderly people listening to Jimi Hendrix and Mick Jagger tunes. Or possibly the talk/sports/ethnic stations will move from AM to FM as music-oriented stations succumb to shrinking audiences. All of which makes me wonder what will happen to the AM band in a few more years. Personally, I would love having fewer stations, since it would mean less interference . Beauty Product Reviews Read Unbiased Beauty Product Reviews and Join Our Product Review Team! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/JKFkuJi7Uvr72zCnnDG4sdbynngxNSOGXOSWF1xYZHETWGWke8wGtz/ ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] iPhones and IBOC
Unfortunately, and while no one but fooled broadcasters, Ibiquity and DXers cares or for the most part even knows about IBOC, I don't predict a quick end to this fiasco. Stations have spents lots of money on this very flawed and on AM useless tech, but a few more are still adding it, or putting it on all night like it is the Holy Grail to save AM. Thus I think it will be several years before stations start turning off the IBOC as they have little incentive to do so. 73 unhappy KAZ - Original Message - From: Thomas L Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: irca@hard-core-dx.com Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [IRCA] iPhones and IBOC That makes me want to reach for a bottle of Gerotol. Hoperfully we will get 10 yrs of the real oldies first ( 1950-1962 ) before that. Dont see much of a future in MYL type stations with that generation sadly dropping like flys. As far as IBOC goes it must be all but dead. How many AM's are getting conned into it lately ? A bad dream almost over. Move over Mitch Miller make room for Big Joe Turner 73 Tom Jones Mason N.H. On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 21:43:27 -0700 Bruce Portzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In another decade, FM will be frequented mostly by elderly people listening to Jimi Hendrix and Mick Jagger tunes. Or possibly the talk/sports/ethnic stations will move from AM to FM as music-oriented stations succumb to shrinking audiences. All of which makes me wonder what will happen to the AM band in a few more years. Personally, I would love having fewer stations, since it would mean less interference . Beauty Product Reviews Read Unbiased Beauty Product Reviews and Join Our Product Review Team! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/JKFkuJi7Uvr72zCnnDG4sdbynngxNSOGXOSWF1xYZHETWGWke8wGtz/ ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.2.0/1493 - Release Date: 6/9/2008 5:25 PM ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] iPhones and IBOC
KAZ, Maybe the answer is to wait for Ipods, streaming audio, and all of the other goodies coming down the pike to wipe out half of the stations on the air. IBOC will go along with the demise of radio. If the transmitter is not on, neither will be the IBOC hash. But that will take years to happen. With the downturn in the economy, I don't see all of these stations staying on the air anyway. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] iPhones and IBOC
Tom Jones writes: Move over Mitch Miller make room for Big Joe Turner ... The Krumudgeon turns 73 next week (not a good age for a licensed ham: KA9SPA) but my mother's still alive at 98, so I figure I've got 25 more years to grouse about how radio is leaving big bands, ballads and Broadway (and, thus, me) behind. My satellite TV is, as I write, tuned to XM's High Standards channel, though, and I can go a decade earlier into my childhood years (I first fell in love with pop music in 1941) via XM ... and by mail order from Collector's Choice Music. My wife and I, by the way, solved the gasoline price crisis by buying our vacation home next door. Now, our property in Krum is a plot 120 feet by 270 feet, not big enough for a beverage, but flexible enough for a K9AY or a KAZ or an EWE or two or three ... plus, as Scott Fybush noted a few years ago, we're on the highest point, altitude-wise, in Krum, so if I ever put up a couple of poles for my FM antennas and the phasing unit I bought a decade ago but have never used, I could be in business on that band. Actually, the advantage of the purchase is that I get to move the bed in my DX den next door, so when family visitors come, they'll be more comfortable ... and I can stretch my equipment and books out. (The inactive ham shack in the garage is filled with stored stuff, but I can now move some of that and get KA9SPA back on the year ... again after a decade of silence. Let's see ... AM BC formats, K9AY, KAZ and EWE ... not completely off topic! Qal R. Mann, Krumudgeon Krum, TX (35 miles north of D-FW) ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] iPhones and IBOC
I don't think iBiquity will ever admit they're wrong. They will go down with the ship as the number of listeners to regular over the air radio decreases. Larry Stoler - Original Message - From: Neil Kazaross [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America irca@hard-core-dx.com Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [IRCA] iPhones and IBOC Unfortunately, and while no one but fooled broadcasters, Ibiquity and DXers cares or for the most part even knows about IBOC, I don't predict a quick end to this fiasco. Stations have spents lots of money on this very flawed and on AM useless tech, but a few more are still adding it, or putting it on all night like it is the Holy Grail to save AM. Thus I think it will be several years before stations start turning off the IBOC as they have little incentive to do so. 73 unhappy KAZ - Original Message - From: Thomas L Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: irca@hard-core-dx.com Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [IRCA] iPhones and IBOC That makes me want to reach for a bottle of Gerotol. Hoperfully we will get 10 yrs of the real oldies first ( 1950-1962 ) before that. Dont see much of a future in MYL type stations with that generation sadly dropping like flys. As far as IBOC goes it must be all but dead. How many AM's are getting conned into it lately ? A bad dream almost over. Move over Mitch Miller make room for Big Joe Turner 73 Tom Jones Mason N.H. On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 21:43:27 -0700 Bruce Portzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In another decade, FM will be frequented mostly by elderly people listening to Jimi Hendrix and Mick Jagger tunes. Or possibly the talk/sports/ethnic stations will move from AM to FM as music-oriented stations succumb to shrinking audiences. All of which makes me wonder what will happen to the AM band in a few more years. Personally, I would love having fewer stations, since it would mean less interference . Beauty Product Reviews Read Unbiased Beauty Product Reviews and Join Our Product Review Team! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/JKFkuJi7Uvr72zCnnDG4sdbynngxNSOGXOSWF1xYZHETWGWke8wGtz/ ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com -- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.2.0/1493 - Release Date: 6/9/2008 5:25 PM ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.2.0/1494 - Release Date: 6/10/2008 7:22 AM ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] not DU from Vancouver Island - June 10
At 05:50 AM 6/10/2008, you wrote: At 12:35 6/10/2008, you wrote: 1386 Hindi mx. The Hindi from Radio Tarana, Auckland (pres.) was only present on the first run at about 1145. Interesting, I missed the party (maybe), by stopping by the radio at 1205UT, which is too early to be up when you're not going back to bed, but there it is. However, at 1213UT, presumed R. Tarana popped up for about a minute with Hindi sounding music, very weak. No other audios, though fair carriers on 738, 1296 and 1503 at least briefly. Nick Can't comment today. My 1017 file was blankforgot to click on the volume button on the Perseus. Also got called out for a delivery before 12:00 UTC, so I wasn't able to monitor live.Walt PS: After hearing Tonga last week, I haven't heard them for a while now. ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
[IRCA] WWV Solar Report
:Product: Geophysical Alert Message wwv.txt :Issued: 2008 Jun 10 1806 UTC # Prepared by the US Dept. of Commerce, NOAA, Space Weather Prediction Center # # Geophysical Alert Message # Solar-terrestrial indices for 09 June follow. Solar flux 66 and mid-latitude A-index 4. The mid-latitude K-index at 1800 UTC on 10 June was 2 (15 nT). No space weather storms were observed for the past 24 hours. No space weather storms are expected for the next 24 hours. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Trends -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Date 09 09 09 09 09 09 09 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 UTC 0300 0600 0900 1200 1500 1800 2100 0300 0600 0900 1200 1500 1800 SFlx 65 65 65 65 65 65 66 66 66 66 66 66 66 66 A-in 88888854444444 K-in 22001222100022 ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] iPhones and IBOC
Don, I think a lot of people in the broadcasting industry are living in the past in regard to broadcasting, the ay it used to be. I don't mean techology and such, but radio in general. It has always been here and it will always be here. As we all know nothing last forever. The thought has been Lets put on a new station. It kind of reminds me of the old musicals of the 30s and 40s. They were always going to put on the show to solve life's problems, no matter what they were. Tens of thousands of people have their work in broadcasting and anyone is going to do anything they can to keep their industry going, no matter what is looming in the future. As a CE told me when I asked if the company was going to put on the X Band CP. He said, of course as who doesn't want a new station. He said it like automaticaly millions of people will be so excited of a new station that they could not wait to have it sign on the air. In realiy, probably 99% of the people in that large market did not even realize the station came on and existed. Many see IBOC as HD and if HD is great for TV, then lets get on the bandwagon and make it great for radio. Many don't see things the rest of us see unfortunately. Add hype to the mix and it is new toy that will bring millions into the broadcasting industry, if not more. I know of many CEs that knows the score that IBOC in flawed. But again they have to do what their boss says. If you could pull 100% of the CEs away and get them to answer honestly, probably 98 or 99 perent would say IBOC is flawed, especially on AM. But the only thing it comes down to is M O N E Y. If IBOC doesn't sell in time, it will be history. But as others have said, it will take time. NPR seem to be really pro IBOC. We have more of that in NW on AM than about anything else. Many NPR AMers are now IBOC. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
