Re: [IRCA] Oregon Cliff (Cape Perpetua) Ultralight TP's and DU's for 8-19

2013-08-22 Thread d1028gary

Hi Nick,

<<<  When is your next expedition Gary?  Can't make plans without knowing 
the dates (hi).   >>>

I would be honored to have a joint DXpedition with you, Nick, but I'm afraid 
that after two Oregon cliff trips within the past month, we need to save up a 
little more vacation time before we can make any more plans :-)  My wife likes 
Cannon Beach, so we'll probably be booking a trip there again next summer. If 
you or Walt could join me then for a Rockwork 4 effort, I'm sure that we could 
have a real blast. There should be some new mega-FSL's to play with by then!

73, Gary

  



-Original Message-
From: Nick Hall-Patch 
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America 

Sent: Wed, Aug 21, 2013 9:47 pm
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Oregon Cliff (Cape Perpetua) Ultralight TP's and DU's   
for 8-19


When is your next expedition Gary?  Can't make plans without knowing 
the dates (hi).

best wishes,

Nick


At 19:56 21-08-13, you wrote:

>Hi KAZ,
>
><<<   Have any of you compared ocean cliff reception to adjacent 
>beach reception when
>using the EXACT same setup?
>
>ie...ULR and 12" FSL on the cliff vs same make ULR and a 12" FSL on a nearby
>beach?   >>>
>
>Since the new 12" FSL models (both tunable and broadband) were only 
>designed and built last winter, Neil, we haven't yet had time to run 
>an exact test like you describe. I was hoping for a joint DXpedition 
>with you guys this summer, where we could have tested this (and many 
>other variations) out thoroughly-- but you know how we accidentally 
>ended up 98 miles apart :-)
>
>There is already an extra 12" tunable FSL here for running an A/B 
>test like this, and as soon as I can track down a volunteer to join 
>me on an ocean cliff DXpedition, I would be eager to run it (and 
>post relative strength MP3's). Probably the greatest challenge will 
>be in tracking down a volunteer to join such a DXpedition... there 
>seems to be something about sheer ocean cliffs that sends DXers 
>running in the opposite direction :-)
>
>73, Gary DeBock (in Puyallup, WA)
>
>
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: neilkaz 
>To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America 
>
>Sent: Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:29 am
>Subject: Re: [IRCA] Oregon Cliff (Cape Perpetua) Ultralight TP's and 
>DU's   for 8-19
>
>
>Have any of you compared ocean cliff reception to adjacent beach 
>reception when
>using the EXACT same setup?
>
>ie...ULR and 12" FSL on the cliff vs same make ULR and a 12" FSL on a nearby
>beach?
>
>73 KAZ
>
>
>-Original Message-
> >From: d1028g...@aol.com
> >Sent: Aug 20, 2013 3:23 PM
> >To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> >Subject: Re: [IRCA] Oregon Cliff (Cape Perpetua) Ultralight TP's 
> and DU's  for
>8-19
> >
> >
> >Hi Nick,
> >
> ><<<  It's hard to believe that we were listening on the same planet Gary,
> >let alone the same coast, though admittedly, I'm quite a way from the
> >open Pacific here.   As I said yesterday, that morning was pretty
> >much the biggest stinker this summer here.   >>>
> >
> >Yes, it seems that a more southerly location can often make all 
> the difference
>in TP propagation. Dennis was DXing right in between us, and he 
>reported some of
>what showed up at the Cliff yesterday, including the awesome signal from
>1566-HLAZ.
> >
> >The cliffs like Rockwork and Cape Perpetua really do seem to 
> generate their own
>unique twists in DU and TP propagation, though, even when compared 
>to adjacent
>sea level beaches. That's probably why the results often seem so bizarre and
>wacky.
> >
> >73, Gary DeBock (back in the DU-dead zone of Puyallup, WA)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Nick Hall-Patch 
> >To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
>
> >Sent: Tue, Aug 20, 2013 6:43 am
> >Subject: Re: [IRCA] Oregon Cliff (Cape Perpetua) Ultralight TP's 
> and DU's for
>8-19
> >
> >
> >It's hard to believe that we were listening on the same planet Gary,
> >let alone the same coast, though admittedly, I'm quite a way from the
> >open Pacific here.   As I said yesterday, that morning was pretty
> >much the biggest stinker this summer here.
> >
> >best wishes,
> >
> >Nick
> >
> >
> >At 09:21 20-08-13, Gary wrote:
> >>Hello,
> >>
> >>  Four wild days of cliff-side DXing on Oregon's Cape Perpetua
> >> finished up in typical fashion yesterday morning as both Asiatic
> >> TP's and DU's showed up in strength, causing snarling mixes on
> >> several frequencies. The Russian longwaves started off the fun
> >> around 1216 with 279-Radio Rossii testing the crunch resistance of
> >> my PL-380, pegging the S/N readout for the duration of a recording.
> >> This was followed by 1566-HLAZ at 1243 with a blistering signal--
> >> far and away the strongest that I've ever heard them in six years
> >> of DXing. 1593-CNR1 also moved in with good signals around 1238,
> >> following the high-band trend that Dennis noted. But on the cliff,
> >> the Asian TP's had no troubl

Re: [IRCA] WBT's Digital Test - "Is There Hope For A Digital AM Band?"

2013-08-22 Thread Russ Edmunds


This particular test only hits one aspect. It doesn't give any indication as to 
what would occur with co-channel digital stations or adjacent channels.

When I look at the number of AM stations vs TV, and the number of small 
stations of AM; when I look at the number of FM stations vs the number
which have implemented the IBOC hybrid; and when I look at the much smaller 
proportion of AM's which have gone that route, I just can't see full digital
on AM.


Russ Edmunds
15 mi NNW of Philadelphia 
Grid FN20id







 From: Stephen H. Ponder 
To: ABDX ; "ultralightdx@yahoogroups com" 
; "irca@hard-core-dx com"  
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 10:08 PM
Subject: [IRCA] WBT's Digital Test - "Is There Hope For A Digital AM Band?"
 

Article from Radio Insight ...

http://radioinsight.com/blog/headlines/84743/is-there-hope-for-a-digital-am-band/

73 & Good DX,

Steve Ponder, N5WBI
Houston, TX
_
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[IRCA] Oklahoma TP DX 8/22/13

2013-08-22 Thread richa...@perryisp.net
I listened for a few minutes at local sunrise (1154 GMT).  
The only signal heard was a  weak carrier (het) on 702 kHz 
from approx. 235° at 1153-1158, presumely 2BL.  It was 
strongest at 1155, fading away at 1158.  

Receiver: Modified Tecsun PL-310 with 7.5-inch ferrite loop 
attached.

Hoping your morning was more productive, good DX.

Richard Allen,
near Perry OK USA.


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[IRCA] ZBVI 780 Update

2013-08-22 Thread Paul B. Walker, Jr.
I am told all 300 feet of the ZBVI 780 tower is up. The task at hand is to
tune everything up and get things in spec, and ready to go.

This should, in my guess.. only take a few days since it's a single non
directional tower.

Paul
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Re: [IRCA] WBT's Digital Test - "Is There Hope For A Digital AM

2013-08-22 Thread Stewart, Joseph R
Re Steve Ponder's post about the Radio Insight article
(http://radioinsight.com/blog/headlines/84743/is-there-hope-for-a-digital-am-band/)...
Has anybody listened to the audio clip of the test?  The WBT signal goes to 
digital near the end of the clip, starting with the CBS top-of-hour "bong" and 
into the newscast.  Yes, the sudden drop to near-zero noise is impressive... 
but the actual SOUND quality is gawd-awful, like an especially bad webstream.  
Sure, it's got more "high end" than the analog signal--but it's gargly, hashy, 
artifact-ridden, and nearly unlistenable.  The analog, while bandwidth-limited, 
is MUCH more pleasant to listen to!  "FM-quality" my foot (and various other 
extremities)!

Randy Stewart
Arts Producer
KSMU
901 S. National
Springfield MO 65897






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Re: [IRCA] WBT's Digital Test - "Is There Hope For A Digital AM

2013-08-22 Thread Rick Lewis
Randy,
That's what I thought, too.
Swishy, very artificial-sounding. You know what I do with a web stream that 
sounds like that? I ignore it and go somewhere else.
And if that's what IBOC-only AM sounds like, that's exactly what I'd do.
Although I've heard very few, so far I haven't heard, live or recorded, any 
AM IBOC that's pleasing to my ears.
I don't like the audio artifacts. I like hearing more high frequencies, but 
if they come with artifacts, I'd rather not have the highs.
--
Rick 

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[IRCA] Mostly Mexican MW DX to Enid OK, August 16-22, 2013

2013-08-22 Thread Glenn Hauser
These logs are excerpts from my daily all-band reports, mainly SWBC, also 
VHF/UHF, sometimes utility, ham, which may be found in several archives without 
much delay, such as
http://www.hard-core-dx.com/index.php?topic=Hauser


And compiled weekly along with extensive news from many other individuals and 
publications in DX LISTENING DIGEST:
http://www.worldofradio.com/dxldmid.html

** MEXICO. 1300, August 18 at 0600 UT, Radio Trece ID, and plug ``Radio México 
Noticias``, and seemingly rapidly summarizing all the news blox during the day; 
``Mil, trescientos, lo original``, 0601 choral NA but blessedly brief, 0603 
finally full local ID as XEP, 38,000 watts, and into ``música de siempre`` so 
must have quite a mixed format. Then fades down; it had been dominating and 
looping WSW, so I figured it must be this Ciudad Juárez station. WRTH 2013 
implies it`s 50 kW fulltime; IRCA Mexican Log of last year shows 500 watts at 
night; currently Cantú shows 38 kW day, 200 watts night! Which can we believe? 
(Glenn Hauser, OK, DX LISTENING DIGEST)

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[IRCA] Domestic MWDX to Enid OK August 16-22, 2013

2013-08-22 Thread Glenn Hauser
All times and dates strictly UT [4 hours ahead of `ELT`]. Rx: mostly DX-398 
with internal antenna only; or Sony SRF-59 as specified; Nissan stock caradio 
as specified; FRG-7 as specified


These logs are excerpts from my daily all-band reports, mainly SWBC, also 
VHF/UHF, sometimes, utility, ham, which may be found in several archives 
without much delay, such as
http://www.hard-core-dx.com/index.php?topic=Hauser

And compiled weekly along with extensive news from many other individuals and 
publications in DX LISTENING DIGEST:
http://www.worldofradio.com/dxldmid.html

These logs are in four sexions, Canada [if any], Oklahoma [if any], rest of 
USA, unidentified, separated by === Within each, they are in frequency order

** CANADA. 650, August 19 at 0558 UT, I null WSM as something else is usually 
audible, like XETNT or KGAB, but now it`s a calendar into October of various 
music festivals in Saskatoon, plugging ticket sales now, ergo: CKAM, 10/10 kW. 
Night pattern is supposed to employ a deep null toward the south, everything 
going northward; unbelievable. Apparently I have not logged this one before. 
Countless Canadians ignore night pattern requirements: good for south-of-border 
DXers, bad for US stations entitled to protexion (Glenn Hauser, OK, WORLD OF 
RADIO 1683, DX LISTENING DIGEST)

** CANADA. 860, August 21 at 0615 UT, torch song in English is overriding KKOW 
and making quite a SAH, then segué to jazz. Close to same direxion as KKOW, and 
strongly suspect CJBC Toronto, altho I couldn`t listen long enough to hear any 
French to clinch it. So they are allowed an occasional song in English? (Glenn 
Hauser, OK, DX LISTENING DIGEST)

===

** OKLAHOMA [and non]. 1020, August 16 at 1241 UT, KOKP Perry is again off the 
air, audiblizing weak Spanish music, no doubt KMMQ Nebraska still skywaving 
(Glenn Hauser, OK, DX LISTENING DIGEST)

** OKLAHOMA. 1120, August 16 at 1240 UT, as usual no signal from KEOR 
Catoosa/Tulsa/Sperry, which as a daytimer is entitled to start in August at 
1145 UT (September: 1200), just a trace of KMOX. I have yet to discover when 
KEOR axually signs on, so I sit in wait for it at 1300 --- still nothing. I 
wait and wait. A few seconds before *1311 carrier finally kicks on, no 
announcement heard, but into praise music in Spanish. I suppose the odd time 
may well vary from day to day until they get around to it. 

FCC shows this is now licensed for 10 kW daytime, 7 kW critical hours (whatever 
that means in this case, presumably depending on KMOX), but it sure doesn`t 
sound any stronger than when it was originally 2 kW. Official sunset times: 
0115 UT in August, 0030 in September. Slogan Radio Victoria not reheard lately, 
but presumably still applies (Glenn Hauser, OK, WORLD OF RADIO 1683, DX 
LISTENING DIGEST)

** OKLAHOMA [and non]. 1640, Aug 21 around 1245 UT, KOAG Enid as always with 
big hum/buzz, during all-Ag programming; exacerbated when trying to null it, 
similar situation to KGWA 960, unrelated station, which later got rid of that. 
Willis Monk and Paul B Walker recently reported that WTNI is off the air due to 
power problems at the site, so instead of its 10 kW day power at night, 
Biloxites and many others might now be hearing KOAG, which is unusually for an 
X-bander, direxional NNW/SSE to cover both Enid and OKC from site between them 
east of Hennessey; without WTNI to block it, KOAG might even enter Latin 
America (Glenn Hauser, OK, WORLD OF RADIO 1683, DX LISTENING DIGEST)



** U S A. 550, August 17 at 0402 UT trying for the WDEV Vermont DX test, not 
expecting to hear it way out here. I did find a ``sweet spot`` inside the house 
where on the portable DX-398 I could null out the local noise, and still aim 
toward Vermont. First heard something in Spanish, and then somestation with ABC 
news in English, gave up at 0407 which I later learned may have been a bit too 
early from the time the test really ran (Glenn Hauser, OK, DX LISTENING DIGEST)

** U S A. 690, UT Mon Aug 19 at 0501, finding the usual stuff during the 960 
KGWA Fox-hole, I punch in 690 for KGGF Coffeyville KS closing: no Taps is 
playing but instead soul version of ``America the Beautiful``; then, just 
before 0504, sign-off message, followed by Taps a bit later than usual. Perhaps 
a Sunday-night variation? Carrier still on at 0556 check, presumably all-night.

Could have been the famous version by Ray Charles, but when I go to one clip 
with his name on it, instead well sung by Army Staff Sergeant Randall Wright in 
Ray Charles` style:
http://www.last.fm/music/Ray+Charles/_/America+The+Beautiful
Evidently a military Xmas concert sponsored by WRMB
(Glenn Hauser, OK, DX LISTENING DIGEST)

** U S A. 770, Aug 21 at 1248 UT, KKOB Albuquerque NM with traffic, weather, 
news headlines before back to local talk show; weak but steady, as now making 
post-sunrise appearance once on 50 kW, ND day pattern before skywave outfades. 
KKOB August SR/SS

[IRCA] WWV Solar Report

2013-08-22 Thread NOAA WWV
:Product: Geophysical Alert Message wwv.txt
:Issued: 2013 Aug 22 1805 UTC
# Prepared by the US Dept. of Commerce, NOAA, Space Weather Prediction Center
#
#  Geophysical Alert Message
#
Solar-terrestrial indices for 21 August follow.
Solar flux 130 and estimated planetary A-index 18.
The estimated planetary K-index at 1800 UTC on 22 August was 2.
No space weather storms were observed for the past 24 hours.
No space weather storms are predicted for the next 24 hours.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Trends -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Date 21   21   21   21   21   21   21   22   22   22   22   22   22   22
UTC  0300 0600 0900 1200 1500 1800 2100  0300 0600 0900 1200 1500 1800
SFlx 132  132  132  132  132  132  130  130  130  130  130  130  130  130
A-in 55555517   18   18   18   18   18   18   18
K-in 34333344432222
Current Solar information available at http://www.am-dx.com/wwv.htm



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Re: [IRCA] WBT's Digital Test - "Is There Hope For A Digital AM

2013-08-22 Thread Mike Sanburn
Perhaps somebody should pass this information along to the folks at WBT.   
--Mike Sanburn

> From: randystew...@missouristate.edu
> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 10:01:50 -0500
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] WBT's Digital Test - "Is There Hope For A Digital AM
> 
> Re Steve Ponder's post about the Radio Insight article
> (http://radioinsight.com/blog/headlines/84743/is-there-hope-for-a-digital-am-band/)...
> Has anybody listened to the audio clip of the test?  The WBT signal goes to 
> digital near the end of the clip, starting with the CBS top-of-hour "bong" 
> and into the newscast.  Yes, the sudden drop to near-zero noise is 
> impressive... but the actual SOUND quality is gawd-awful, like an especially 
> bad webstream.  Sure, it's got more "high end" than the analog signal--but 
> it's gargly, hashy, artifact-ridden, and nearly unlistenable.  The analog, 
> while bandwidth-limited, is MUCH more pleasant to listen to!  "FM-quality" my 
> foot (and various other extremities)!
> 
> Randy Stewart
> Arts Producer
> KSMU
> 901 S. National
> Springfield MO 65897
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[IRCA] WBT's Digital Test - "Is There Hope For A Digital > AM

2013-08-22 Thread Bob Young
The descriptions I read below of AM IBOC describe exactly how WBZ IBOC sounds 
to me: horrible. AM radio sounded great years ago before the current NRSC audio 
mask was implemented.

Bob Young
Millbury, ma
KB1OKL

> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 10:01:50 -0500
> From: "Stewart, Joseph R" 
> To: "irca@hard-core-dx.com" 
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] WBT's Digital Test - "Is There Hope For A Digital
>   AM
> Message-ID:
>   <96662f42b7fac9489c72164de62ed9881180bfe...@evh2-ms1.edubear.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Re Steve Ponder's post about the Radio Insight article
> (http://radioinsight.com/blog/headlines/84743/is-there-hope-for-a-digital-am-band/)...
> Has anybody listened to the audio clip of the test?  The WBT signal goes to 
> digital near the end of the clip, starting with the CBS top-of-hour "bong" 
> and into the newscast.  Yes, the sudden drop to near-zero noise is 
> impressive... but the actual SOUND quality is gawd-awful, like an especially 
> bad webstream.  Sure, it's got more "high end" than the analog signal--but 
> it's gargly, hashy, artifact-ridden, and nearly unlistenable.  The analog, 
> while bandwidth-limited, is MUCH more pleasant to listen to!  "FM-quality" my 
> foot (and various other extremities)!
> 
> Randy Stewart
> Arts Producer
> KSMU
> 901 S. National
> Springfield MO 65897
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 08:28:05 -0700
> From: "Rick Lewis" 
> To: "Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America"
>   
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] WBT's Digital Test - "Is There Hope For A Digital
>   AM
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Randy,
> That's what I thought, too.
> Swishy, very artificial-sounding. You know what I do with a web stream that 
> sounds like that? I ignore it and go somewhere else.
> And if that's what IBOC-only AM sounds like, that's exactly what I'd do.
> Although I've heard very few, so far I haven't heard, live or recorded, any 
> AM IBOC that's pleasing to my ears.
> I don't like the audio artifacts. I like hearing more high frequencies, but 
> if they come with artifacts, I'd rather not have the highs.
> --
> Rick 
> 
> 

  
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[IRCA] Facebook page for DX'ers

2013-08-22 Thread Paul Swearingen


FYI - I've set up a new group on Facebook: "DX'ing - sponsored by the National 
Radio Club" (https://www.facebook.com/groups/509246815818550/). It's open to 
anyone, whether a DX'er or not. Come join us! -Paul Swearingen, Topeka
 
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[IRCA] WWV Solar Report

2013-08-22 Thread NOAA WWV
:Product: Geophysical Alert Message wwv.txt
:Issued: 2013 Aug 23 0005 UTC
# Prepared by the US Dept. of Commerce, NOAA, Space Weather Prediction Center
#
#  Geophysical Alert Message
#
Solar-terrestrial indices for 22 August follow.
Solar flux 132 and estimated planetary A-index 13.
The estimated planetary K-index at  UTC on 23 August was 3.
No space weather storms were observed for the past 24 hours.
No space weather storms are predicted for the next 24 hours.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Trends -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Date 21   21   21   21   21   22   22   22   22   22   22   22   22   23
UTC  0900 1200 1500 1800 2100  0300 0600 0900 1200 1500 1800 2100 
SFlx 132  132  132  132  130  130  130  130  130  130  130  130  132  132
A-in 555517   18   18   18   18   18   18   18   13   13
K-in 33334443222243
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Re: [IRCA] Help Requested for QRM problem

2013-08-22 Thread Nick Hall-Patch

How did the noise problems work out Michael?

best wishes,

Nick


At 05:54 10-06-13, you wrote:
Thanks very much, Nick and Andy, for your help. I'll let you know 
how it all turns out!


Sincerely,

Michael Yule
Lions Bay BC
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[IRCA] TP 22 Aug; Victoria version

2013-08-22 Thread Nick Hall-Patch
Not as good a morning today in general, although 1539, even if unID, 
is not to be sneezed at.  The main interest was around 1300UT, with 
an emphasis on DU.




pretty darn good audio (all of it understandable by a native speaker, 
at least briefly):


not today



Reasonable audio  at  times during the period (much of it 
understandable by a native speaker, though often battling w/splash or noise):




not here either



not so reasonable audio, occasional words or phrases in splash or 
noise could be understood by a native speaker:


279 R. Rossii   man in RR 1144UT
612 4QR woman talking DU EE, then man.  Had seemed //1548 at 1301, 
though offset somewhat from each other.

738 presumed Tahiti, slow island style vocal 1220UT
1539 DU EE sounding man at 1258UT more and more excited (racing?), 
then definite EE with scores of some kind after the hour.  Nothing 
useful across the hour, but Radio Tab seems likely.
1548 4QD woman in DU EE then man, then woman again 1301UT, mostly 
mangled by splatter.



Burbles in the splatter and noise (if lucky, language might be 
guessed at by cadence of talk, or parallel established by changes in 
talk or music) :




153 R. Rossii, woman talking //279 1146UT,
765 man talking, second man interviewing him? DU EE inflection? 1306UT
1008 woman talking, too much splash to guess at language 1304UT
1566 woman talking 1233UT, likely HLAZ

Strongish het, no or "near imaginary"audio (either undermodulated or 
ravaged by splatter):


180 567 675 684 702 774 828 918 963 972 1161 1323 1611 1638

best wishes,

Nick

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