Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results
My take on this, is total suicide of AM Radio, if they move to All digital. Few HD radios available if someone wanted to buy one and more is moving to streaming. Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager > From: wb6...@gmail.com > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:11:31 -0700 > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com > Subject: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results > > http://www.radiomagonline.com/industry/0003/layer-announces-alldigital-am-cochannel-lab-test-results/37709 > > Sent from my iPad > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention > Kansas City, September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. > Registration info: > http://www.nrcdxas.org > > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original > contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its > editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention Kansas City, September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. Registration info: http://www.nrcdxas.org Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results
Going to all digital might or might not solve interference issues but the cost for stations to do so coupled with the lack of interest already and the lack of receivers would indeed likely be the final nail in the coffin. Russ Edmunds 15 mi NW Phila Grid FN20id AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (2) barefoot w/whip FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder; Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 2); modified Sony ICF2010 w/APS9B @ 15'; Grundig G8 w/whip; modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 3:13 AM, Patrick Martin wrote: > My take on this, is total suicide of AM Radio, if they move to All > digital. Few HD radios available if someone wanted to buy one and more is > moving to streaming. > > Patrick Martin > Seaside OR > KGED QSL Manager > > > From: wb6...@gmail.com > > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:11:31 -0700 > > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > Subject: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test > Results > > > > > http://www.radiomagonline.com/industry/0003/layer-announces-alldigital-am-cochannel-lab-test-results/37709 > > > > Sent from my iPad > > ___ > > IRCA mailing list > > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > > > Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention > > Kansas City, September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. > > Registration info: > > http://www.nrcdxas.org > > > > > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > > > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention > Kansas City, September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. > Registration info: > http://www.nrcdxas.org > > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention Kansas City, September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. Registration info: http://www.nrcdxas.org Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results
It should be mentioned that all digital IBOC sounds better than hybrid IBOC and is more robust. The question is whether it is good enough to spark more interest and then more interest sparks more receivers. Or: the FCC does something to force the issue, an unlikely possibility given their lack of desire so far. Chuck From: IRCA on behalf of Russ Edmunds Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 10:45 AM To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results Going to all digital might or might not solve interference issues but the cost for stations to do so coupled with the lack of interest already and the lack of receivers would indeed likely be the final nail in the coffin. Russ Edmunds 15 mi NW Phila Grid FN20id AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (2) barefoot w/whip FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder; Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 2); modified Sony ICF2010 w/APS9B @ 15'; Grundig G8 w/whip; modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 3:13 AM, Patrick Martin wrote: > My take on this, is total suicide of AM Radio, if they move to All > digital. Few HD radios available if someone wanted to buy one and more is > moving to streaming. > > Patrick Martin > Seaside OR > KGED QSL Manager > > > From: wb6...@gmail.com > > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:11:31 -0700 > > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > Subject: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test > Results > > > > > http://www.radiomagonline.com/industry/0003/layer-announces-alldigital-am-cochannel-lab-test-results/37709 > > > > Sent from my iPad > > ___ > > IRCA mailing list > > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > > > Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention > > Kansas City, September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. > > Registration info: > > http://www.nrcdxas.org > > > > > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > > > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention > Kansas City, September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. > Registration info: > http://www.nrcdxas.org > > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention Kansas City, September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. Registration info: http://www.nrcdxas.org Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention Kansas City, September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. Registration info: http://www.nrcdxas.org Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results
There are many parallels to AM IBOC in the U.S. and DRM on shortwave. Neither have ‘revitalized’ the medium though they can produce remarkable reception under the right conditions at the expense of other services nearby. It seems to me counter-productive to keep ‘fighting the flow of technology’ to keep pushing these old spectrums to do things they’re not meant to. It may well be time to put the red wrist band on them, indicating ‘Do Not Resuscitate,' and allow them find their own way into history. --- > On Apr 29, 2016, at 8:33 AM, Chuck Hutton wrote: > > It should be mentioned that all digital IBOC sounds better than hybrid IBOC > and is more robust. The question is whether it is good enough to spark more > interest and then more interest sparks more receivers. Or: the FCC does > something to force the issue, an unlikely possibility given their lack of > desire so far. > > Chuck > > > From: IRCA on behalf of Russ Edmunds > > Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 10:45 AM > To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America > Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test > Results > > Going to all digital might or might not solve interference issues but the > cost for stations to do so > coupled with the lack of interest already and the lack of receivers would > indeed likely be the final > nail in the coffin. > > Russ Edmunds > 15 mi NW Phila > Grid FN20id > > > AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (2) barefoot w/whip > FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder; > Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 2); > modified Sony ICF2010 w/APS9B @ 15'; > Grundig G8 w/whip; modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip > > > On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 3:13 AM, Patrick Martin wrote: > >> My take on this, is total suicide of AM Radio, if they move to All >> digital. Few HD radios available if someone wanted to buy one and more is >> moving to streaming. >> >> Patrick Martin >> Seaside OR >> KGED QSL Manager >> >>> From: wb6...@gmail.com >>> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:11:31 -0700 >>> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com >>> Subject: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test >> Results >>> >>> >> http://www.radiomagonline.com/industry/0003/layer-announces-alldigital-am-cochannel-lab-test-results/37709 >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> ___ >>> IRCA mailing list >>> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com >>> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca >>> >>> Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention >>> Kansas City, September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. >>> Registration info: >>> http://www.nrcdxas.org >>> >>> >>> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the >> original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the >> IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers >>> >>> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org >>> >>> To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com >>> >> >> ___ >> IRCA mailing list >> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com >> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca >> >> Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention >> Kansas City, September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. >> Registration info: >> http://www.nrcdxas.org >> >> >> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the >> original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the >> IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers >> >> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org >> >> To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com >> >> > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention > Kansas City, September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. > Registration info: > http://www.nrcdxas.org > > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original > contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its > editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention > Kansas City, September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. > Registration info: > http://www.nrcdxas.org > > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original > contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its > editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/l
Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results
Hi Chuck, More robust? I'll grant that. But in the demonstrations done here, I didn't find the sound to be better. The same? Yes. Better, no. Unless those tests weren't done in a way that would show the potential of all-digital IBOC. -- Rick -Original Message- From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hutton Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 5:34 AM To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results It should be mentioned that all digital IBOC sounds better than hybrid IBOC and is more robust. The question is whether it is good enough to spark more interest and then more interest sparks more receivers. Or: the FCC does something to force the issue, an unlikely possibility given their lack of desire so far. Chuck From: IRCA on behalf of Russ Edmunds Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 10:45 AM To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results Going to all digital might or might not solve interference issues but the cost for stations to do so coupled with the lack of interest already and the lack of receivers would indeed likely be the final nail in the coffin. Russ Edmunds 15 mi NW Phila Grid FN20id AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (2) barefoot w/whip FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder; Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 2); modified Sony ICF2010 w/APS9B @ 15'; Grundig G8 w/whip; modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 3:13 AM, Patrick Martin wrote: > My take on this, is total suicide of AM Radio, if they move to All > digital. Few HD radios available if someone wanted to buy one and more > is moving to streaming. > > Patrick Martin > Seaside OR > KGED QSL Manager > > > From: wb6...@gmail.com > > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:11:31 -0700 > > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > Subject: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test > Results > > > > > http://www.radiomagonline.com/industry/0003/layer-announces-alldigital > -am-cochannel-lab-test-results/37709 > > > > Sent from my iPad > > ___ > > IRCA mailing list > > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > > > Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention Kansas City, > > September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. > > Registration info: > > http://www.nrcdxas.org > > > > > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of > the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > > > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention Kansas City, > September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. > Registration info: > http://www.nrcdxas.org > > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of > the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention Kansas City, September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. Registration info: http://www.nrcdxas.org Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention Kansas City, September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. Registration info: http://www.nrcdxas.org Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention Kansas City, September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. Registration info: http://www.nrcdxas.org Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original
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:Product: Geophysical Alert Message wwv.txt :Issued: 2016 Apr 29 1805 UTC # Prepared by the US Dept. of Commerce, NOAA, Space Weather Prediction Center # # Geophysical Alert Message # Solar-terrestrial indices for 28 April follow. Solar flux 95 and estimated planetary A-index 5. The estimated planetary K-index at 1800 UTC on 29 April was 0. No space weather storms were observed for the past 24 hours. Space weather for the next 24 hours is predicted to be minor. Geomagnetic storms reaching the G1 level are likely. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Trends -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Date 27 27 27 27 27 28 28 28 28 28 28 29 29 29 UTC 0900 1200 1500 1800 2100 0300 0600 0900 1200 1500 1200 1500 1800 SFlx 85 85 85 85 93 93 93 93 93 93 93 95 95 95 A-in 666610 10 10 10 10 10 10 555 K-in 32232221221110 Current Solar information available at http://www.am-dx.com/wwv.htm ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention Kansas City, September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. Registration info: http://www.nrcdxas.org Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results
Rick: Hybrid AM IBOC uses a 20 kv/s codec. In testing, about half of listeners said they would discontinue listening to it. All digital IBOC AM can use a 40 or 60 kb/s codec. The quality is distinctly better for the 60 kb/s coder: only 1 in 7 listeners would discontinue listening to it. There's a sharp increase in perceived quality at 48 jb/s and up. I don't know what mode (40 or 60 kb/s) was used for the KRKO tests. I'm not sure they revealed that info but I no longer have any professional ties to that arena so didn't read every word. Chuck From: IRCA on behalf of Rick Lewis Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 6:25 PM To: 'Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America' Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results Hi Chuck, More robust? I'll grant that. But in the demonstrations done here, I didn't find the sound to be better. The same? Yes. Better, no. Unless those tests weren't done in a way that would show the potential of all-digital IBOC. -- Rick -Original Message- From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hutton Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 5:34 AM To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results It should be mentioned that all digital IBOC sounds better than hybrid IBOC and is more robust. The question is whether it is good enough to spark more interest and then more interest sparks more receivers. Or: the FCC does something to force the issue, an unlikely possibility given their lack of desire so far. Chuck From: IRCA on behalf of Russ Edmunds Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 10:45 AM To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results Going to all digital might or might not solve interference issues but the cost for stations to do so coupled with the lack of interest already and the lack of receivers would indeed likely be the final nail in the coffin. Russ Edmunds 15 mi NW Phila Grid FN20id AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (2) barefoot w/whip FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder; Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 2); modified Sony ICF2010 w/APS9B @ 15'; Grundig G8 w/whip; modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 3:13 AM, Patrick Martin wrote: > My take on this, is total suicide of AM Radio, if they move to All > digital. Few HD radios available if someone wanted to buy one and more > is moving to streaming. > > Patrick Martin > Seaside OR > KGED QSL Manager > > > From: wb6...@gmail.com > > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:11:31 -0700 > > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > Subject: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test > Results > > > > > http://www.radiomagonline.com/industry/0003/layer-announces-alldigital > -am-cochannel-lab-test-results/37709 > > > > Sent from my iPad > > ___ > > IRCA mailing list > > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > > > Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention Kansas City, > > September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. > > Registration info: > > http://www.nrcdxas.org > > > > > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of > the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > > > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention Kansas City, > September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. > Registration info: > http://www.nrcdxas.org > > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of > the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention Kansas City, September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. Registration info: http://www.nrcdxas.org Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo
Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results
Chuck, I think with IBOC, if is up to the person's ears. I know several CE's that hates digital audio, especially IBOC. Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager > From: charle...@msn.com > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com > Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 12:33:58 + > Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test > Results > > It should be mentioned that all digital IBOC sounds better than hybrid IBOC > and is more robust. The question is whether it is good enough to spark more > interest and then more interest sparks more receivers. Or: the FCC does > something to force the issue, an unlikely possibility given their lack of > desire so far. > > Chuck > > > From: IRCA on behalf of Russ Edmunds > > Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 10:45 AM > To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America > Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test > Results > > Going to all digital might or might not solve interference issues but the > cost for stations to do so > coupled with the lack of interest already and the lack of receivers would > indeed likely be the final > nail in the coffin. > > Russ Edmunds > 15 mi NW Phila > Grid FN20id > > > AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (2) barefoot w/whip > FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder; > Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 2); > modified Sony ICF2010 w/APS9B @ 15'; > Grundig G8 w/whip; modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip > > > On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 3:13 AM, Patrick Martin wrote: > > > My take on this, is total suicide of AM Radio, if they move to All > > digital. Few HD radios available if someone wanted to buy one and more is > > moving to streaming. > > > > Patrick Martin > > Seaside OR > > KGED QSL Manager > > > > > From: wb6...@gmail.com > > > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:11:31 -0700 > > > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > > Subject: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test > > Results > > > > > > > > http://www.radiomagonline.com/industry/0003/layer-announces-alldigital-am-cochannel-lab-test-results/37709 > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > ___ > > > IRCA mailing list > > > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > > > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > > > > > Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention > > > Kansas City, September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. > > > Registration info: > > > http://www.nrcdxas.org > > > > > > > > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > > > > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > > > > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > > > > > > ___ > > IRCA mailing list > > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > > > Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention > > Kansas City, September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. > > Registration info: > > http://www.nrcdxas.org > > > > > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > > > > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention > Kansas City, September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. > Registration info: > http://www.nrcdxas.org > > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original > contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its > editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention > Kansas City, September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. > Registration info: > http://www.nrcdxas.org > > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original > contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its > editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention Kansas City, September 9 to 11. Hotel space
Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results
Russ, I totally agree. If AM goes completely digital, you might as well shut off the transmitters. No one is listening and no one cares. Except for a few automobiles , I am the only one around here with an IBOC radio. The only reason I have the Sony, is a friend gave it to me. Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager > Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 06:45:42 -0400 > From: wb2...@gmail.com > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com > Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test > Results > > Going to all digital might or might not solve interference issues but the > cost for stations to do so > coupled with the lack of interest already and the lack of receivers would > indeed likely be the final > nail in the coffin. > > Russ Edmunds > 15 mi NW Phila > Grid FN20id > > > AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (2) barefoot w/whip > FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder; > Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 2); > modified Sony ICF2010 w/APS9B @ 15'; > Grundig G8 w/whip; modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip > > > On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 3:13 AM, Patrick Martin wrote: > > > My take on this, is total suicide of AM Radio, if they move to All > > digital. Few HD radios available if someone wanted to buy one and more is > > moving to streaming. > > > > Patrick Martin > > Seaside OR > > KGED QSL Manager > > > > > From: wb6...@gmail.com > > > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:11:31 -0700 > > > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > > Subject: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test > > Results > > > > > > > > http://www.radiomagonline.com/industry/0003/layer-announces-alldigital-am-cochannel-lab-test-results/37709 > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > ___ > > > IRCA mailing list > > > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > > > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > > > > > Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention > > > Kansas City, September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. > > > Registration info: > > > http://www.nrcdxas.org > > > > > > > > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > > > > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > > > > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > > > > > > ___ > > IRCA mailing list > > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > > > Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention > > Kansas City, September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. > > Registration info: > > http://www.nrcdxas.org > > > > > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > > > > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention > Kansas City, September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. > Registration info: > http://www.nrcdxas.org > > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original > contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its > editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention Kansas City, September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. Registration info: http://www.nrcdxas.org Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results
Patrick: Audio quality testers have been aware of that for a hundred years. That's why professional audio testing always uses many listeners, male and female, old and youg, etc. That's exactly what the consultant did that wrote the IBOC audio quality report. And as for the engineers that hate it, you have to tell me why. There are a lot of emotions surrounding IBOC, and with just your words I can't tell if they have an agenda. As for why I dislike (it seems wrong to say "hate") IBOC audio quality: the hybrid mode was the lowest quality of FM, analog AM, digital FM, or most streaming channels. The all digital quality only gets it up to just below analog FM. Still in last place.but possibly equal to many streaming channels. Chuck From: IRCA on behalf of Patrick Martin Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2016 12:08 AM To: IRCA Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results Chuck, I think with IBOC, if is up to the person's ears. I know several CE's that hates digital audio, especially IBOC. Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager > From: charle...@msn.com > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com > Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 12:33:58 + > Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test > Results > > It should be mentioned that all digital IBOC sounds better than hybrid IBOC > and is more robust. The question is whether it is good enough to spark more > interest and then more interest sparks more receivers. Or: the FCC does > something to force the issue, an unlikely possibility given their lack of > desire so far. > > Chuck > > > From: IRCA on behalf of Russ Edmunds > > Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 10:45 AM > To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America > Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test > Results > > Going to all digital might or might not solve interference issues but the > cost for stations to do so > coupled with the lack of interest already and the lack of receivers would > indeed likely be the final > nail in the coffin. > > Russ Edmunds > 15 mi NW Phila > Grid FN20id > > > AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (2) barefoot w/whip > FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder; > Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 2); > modified Sony ICF2010 w/APS9B @ 15'; > Grundig G8 w/whip; modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip > > > On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 3:13 AM, Patrick Martin wrote: > > > My take on this, is total suicide of AM Radio, if they move to All > > digital. Few HD radios available if someone wanted to buy one and more is > > moving to streaming. > > > > Patrick Martin > > Seaside OR > > KGED QSL Manager > > > > > From: wb6...@gmail.com > > > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:11:31 -0700 > > > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > > Subject: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test > > Results > > > > > > > > http://www.radiomagonline.com/industry/0003/layer-announces-alldigital-am-cochannel-lab-test-results/37709 > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > ___ > > > IRCA mailing list > > > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > > > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > > > > > Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention > > > Kansas City, September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. > > > Registration info: > > > http://www.nrcdxas.org > > > > > > > > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > > > > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > > > > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > > > > > > ___ > > IRCA mailing list > > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > > > Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention > > Kansas City, September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. > > Registration info: > > http://www.nrcdxas.org > > > > > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > > > > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention > Kansas City, September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. > Registration info: > http://www.nrcdxas.org > > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original > contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its > editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
[IRCA] April 2016 Grayland Ultralight DXpedition Report
From April 1-4 a collection of Ultralight radios and FSL antennas (both hard-wired and inductively coupled) chased Asian and DU-DX on the flat ocean beach of Grayland, WA. This departure from the usual Oregon ocean cliff DXpedition arrangement was necessitated by the need to stay relatively close to home during the first week of the month. Although the lack of a splatter-reducing cliff was noticeable during a generous DU opening on April 3 the overall TP-DXing results were certainly better than expected for this late-season period, with a nice combination of Asians and DU's. A primary objective of the trip was to test the new hard-wired 3" FSL Tecsun PL-380 models in an ocean beach environment. and these results were very inspiring, both for Asian and DU reception. The stand-alone 3" FSL PL-380 models proved that they could offer quite a lot of transoceanic DXing fun for their $95 construction cost and compact size, tracking down several second-tier Asian signals at strong levels. Perhaps their best DX reception was the "one that got away," however-- a strong TP signal with exotic-sounding music on 1377 that was not // with CNR1 or NHK2. An interesting UnID TP signal on 1566 temporarily dominant over HLAZ was also received on the same morning, as well as the usual mid-band CRI stations at strong levels. During the regular TP season these tiny little monsters should provide a lot of ocean beach excitement, not to mention their potential for some serious portable DXing fun when the solar conditions improve dramatically in a couple of years. A potent DU opening on April 3rd resulted in the strongest signal I've ever received from 531-4KZ (now 10 kW, according to its web site), as well as several other vibrant Australians on the 15" FSL antenna and CC Skywave combination. Unlike a typical Rockwork 4 DXpedition the Kiwi signals were few and far between, though, with only 531-PI and a presumed 603-Waatea showing up along with the Aussies. For those interested, the full DXpedition report is posted at the link below. http://www.mediafire.com/download/1n7r6fovyta7pqs/April_2016_Grayland.doc 73 and Good DX, Gary DeBock (in Puyallup, WA, USA) ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention Kansas City, September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. Registration info: http://www.nrcdxas.org Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
[IRCA] WWV Solar Report
:Product: Geophysical Alert Message wwv.txt :Issued: 2016 Apr 30 0005 UTC # Prepared by the US Dept. of Commerce, NOAA, Space Weather Prediction Center # # Geophysical Alert Message # Solar-terrestrial indices for 29 April follow. Solar flux 92 and estimated planetary A-index 4. The estimated planetary K-index at UTC on 30 April was 1. No space weather storms were observed for the past 24 hours. Space weather for the next 24 hours is predicted to be minor. Geomagnetic storms reaching the G1 level are likely. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Trends -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Date 27 27 27 28 28 28 28 28 28 29 29 29 29 30 UTC 1500 1800 2100 0300 0600 0900 1200 1500 1200 1500 1800 2100 SFlx 85 85 93 93 93 93 93 93 93 95 95 95 92 92 A-in 6610 10 10 10 10 10 10 55554 K-in 23222122111011 Current Solar information available at http://www.am-dx.com/wwv.htm ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention Kansas City, September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. Registration info: http://www.nrcdxas.org Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
[IRCA] Reviews of SDRPlay for AM and FM DXing
News today that SDRPlay had acquired the Studio 1 software has inspired me to take another look at this receiver. I’m very happy with my Elad FDM-S2 for AM DXing (and some FM DXing as well) while my AirPlay happily allows me to record large swaths of the FM band during openings. The combination has proven to be life-changing. But the Studio 1 software is so praised by many that now I’m wondering about the SDRPlay for broadcast DXing. Any DX’ers out there using this receiver for either AM or FM DXing? Thoughts? 73, Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL EM63nf Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA. Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR, Quantum Phaser, Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, Wellbrook Flag, Clifton Labs Active Whip. ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention Kansas City, September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. Registration info: http://www.nrcdxas.org Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
[IRCA] TP 29 Apr Victoria version
Things are falling apart in a big way... pretty darn good audio (all of it understandable by a native speaker, at least briefly): no Reasonable audio at times during the period (much of it understandable by a native speaker, though often battling w/splash or noise): 1566 HLAZ man in Japanese 1241UT not so reasonable audio, occasional words or phrases in splash or noise could be understood by a native speaker: 747 JOIB English lessons briefly peaked at this level 1220UT, no parallels 1566 HLAZ man in Chinese 1209UT Burbles in the splatter and noise (if lucky, language might be guessed at by cadence of talk, or parallel established by changes in talk or music) the above passing through Strongish het, no or "near imaginary" audio (either undermodulated or ravaged by splatter) 1242 1287 1323 best wishes, Nick ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention Kansas City, September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. Registration info: http://www.nrcdxas.org Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results
Chuck, Two broadcasting engineers I know, both in CA state that they have acute hearing and to them, the digital harmonics drive them nuts, if they have to monitor IBOC audio too long. It is quite personal to them. Some people like vinyl as the audio has the "warmth" that digital audio lacks. I kind of agree with that, as I have compared both many times. An album sounds better to me, if played through a good sound system. My hearing is not that acute that affects me listening to digital. IBOC audio sounds fine to me as well as the streaming audio, but to some digital audio is not to their liking. Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager > From: charle...@msn.com > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com > Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 00:38:55 + > Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test > Results > > Patrick: > > Audio quality testers have been aware of that for a hundred years. That's why > professional audio testing always uses many listeners, male and female, old > and youg, etc. That's exactly what the consultant did that wrote the IBOC > audio quality report. > > And as for the engineers that hate it, you have to tell me why. There are a > lot of emotions surrounding IBOC, and with just your words I can't tell if > they have an agenda. > > As for why I dislike (it seems wrong to say "hate") IBOC audio quality: the > hybrid mode was the lowest quality of FM, analog AM, digital FM, or most > streaming channels. The all digital quality only gets it up to just below > analog FM. Still in last place.but possibly equal to many streaming channels. > > Chuck > > > From: IRCA on behalf of Patrick Martin > > Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2016 12:08 AM > To: IRCA > Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results > > Chuck, > > I think with IBOC, if is up to the person's ears. I know several CE's that > hates digital audio, especially IBOC. > > Patrick Martin > Seaside OR > KGED QSL Manager > > > From: charle...@msn.com > > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 12:33:58 + > > Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test > > Results > > > > It should be mentioned that all digital IBOC sounds better than hybrid IBOC > > and is more robust. The question is whether it is good enough to spark more > > interest and then more interest sparks more receivers. Or: the FCC does > > something to force the issue, an unlikely possibility given their lack of > > desire so far. > > > > Chuck > > > > > > From: IRCA on behalf of Russ Edmunds > > > > Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 10:45 AM > > To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America > > Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test > > Results > > > > Going to all digital might or might not solve interference issues but the > > cost for stations to do so > > coupled with the lack of interest already and the lack of receivers would > > indeed likely be the final > > nail in the coffin. > > > > Russ Edmunds > > 15 mi NW Phila > > Grid FN20id > > > > > > AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (2) barefoot w/whip > > FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder; > > Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 2); > > modified Sony ICF2010 w/APS9B @ 15'; > > Grundig G8 w/whip; modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 3:13 AM, Patrick Martin wrote: > > > > > My take on this, is total suicide of AM Radio, if they move to All > > > digital. Few HD radios available if someone wanted to buy one and more is > > > moving to streaming. > > > > > > Patrick Martin > > > Seaside OR > > > KGED QSL Manager > > > > > > > From: wb6...@gmail.com > > > > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:11:31 -0700 > > > > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > > > Subject: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test > > > Results > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.radiomagonline.com/industry/0003/layer-announces-alldigital-am-cochannel-lab-test-results/37709 > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > ___ > > > > IRCA mailing list > > > > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > > > > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > > > > > > > Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention > > > > Kansas City, September 9 to 11. Hotel space is filling up. > > > > Registration info: > > > > http://www.nrcdxas.org > > > > > > > > > > > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > > > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > > > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > > > > > > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > > > > > > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > IRCA mailing list > > > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > > > http://montreal.kotalamp
Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results
I'll put their opinions in the trash can where they belong, as there is no such thing as a "digital harmonic" and - assuming they mean simply "harmonic", harmonics are not the issue with digital codecs. It's rather the artifacts of the compression that cause the odd swirls, muffling and artificial sound. None of that has anything to do with harmonics. Chuck From: IRCA on behalf of Patrick Martin Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2016 4:53 AM To: IRCA Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results Chuck, Two broadcasting engineers I know, both in CA state that they have acute hearing and to them, the digital harmonics drive them nuts, if they have to monitor IBOC audio too long. It is quite personal to them. Some people like vinyl as the audio has the "warmth" that digital audio lacks. I kind of agree with that, as I have compared both many times. An album sounds better to me, if played through a good sound system. My hearing is not that acute that affects me listening to digital. IBOC audio sounds fine to me as well as the streaming audio, but to some digital audio is not to their liking. Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager > From: charle...@msn.com > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com > Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 00:38:55 + > Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test > Results > > Patrick: > > Audio quality testers have been aware of that for a hundred years. That's why > professional audio testing always uses many listeners, male and female, old > and youg, etc. That's exactly what the consultant did that wrote the IBOC > audio quality report. > > And as for the engineers that hate it, you have to tell me why. There are a > lot of emotions surrounding IBOC, and with just your words I can't tell if > they have an agenda. > > As for why I dislike (it seems wrong to say "hate") IBOC audio quality: the > hybrid mode was the lowest quality of FM, analog AM, digital FM, or most > streaming channels. The all digital quality only gets it up to just below > analog FM. Still in last place.but possibly equal to many streaming channels. > > Chuck > > > From: IRCA on behalf of Patrick Martin > > Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2016 12:08 AM > To: IRCA > Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results > > Chuck, > > I think with IBOC, if is up to the person's ears. I know several CE's that > hates digital audio, especially IBOC. > > Patrick Martin > Seaside OR > KGED QSL Manager > > > From: charle...@msn.com > > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 12:33:58 + > > Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test > > Results > > > > It should be mentioned that all digital IBOC sounds better than hybrid IBOC > > and is more robust. The question is whether it is good enough to spark more > > interest and then more interest sparks more receivers. Or: the FCC does > > something to force the issue, an unlikely possibility given their lack of > > desire so far. > > > > Chuck > > > > > > From: IRCA on behalf of Russ Edmunds > > > > Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 10:45 AM > > To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America > > Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test > > Results > > > > Going to all digital might or might not solve interference issues but the > > cost for stations to do so > > coupled with the lack of interest already and the lack of receivers would > > indeed likely be the final > > nail in the coffin. > > > > Russ Edmunds > > 15 mi NW Phila > > Grid FN20id > > > > > > AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (2) barefoot w/whip > > FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder; > > Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 2); > > modified Sony ICF2010 w/APS9B @ 15'; > > Grundig G8 w/whip; modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 3:13 AM, Patrick Martin wrote: > > > > > My take on this, is total suicide of AM Radio, if they move to All > > > digital. Few HD radios available if someone wanted to buy one and more is > > > moving to streaming. > > > > > > Patrick Martin > > > Seaside OR > > > KGED QSL Manager > > > > > > > From: wb6...@gmail.com > > > > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:11:31 -0700 > > > > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > > > Subject: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test > > > Results > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.radiomagonline.com/industry/0003/layer-announces-alldigital-am-cochannel-lab-test-results/37709 > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > ___ > > > > IRCA mailing list > > > > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > > > > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > > > > > > > Be sure to register now for the Joint DX Convention > > > > Kansas City, September 9 to 11. Hotel space is