Re: [IRCA] 1323
Bruce, How can you be sure that it has ever been from Lhasa? Maybe misinformation from the start. Alan Davies has visited Xinjiang and confirms, that English to South Asia comes now from there. Mauno 22.9.2012 18:30, Bruce Portzer kirjoitti: Nick The Lhasa site is or was used for service to south Asia. CRI's website still lists English at 1600-1800 on 1323, but not the 1500 Hindi broadcast. It's possible the 1323 South Asian BC has moved to a different site, maybe somewhere in Xinjiang??? It may require a field visit to settle the issue :) Bruce On 9/22/2012 07:31, Nick Hall-Patch wrote: Hi Bruce, I just got a note from Mauno Ritola pointing out that Lhasa isn't in WRTH (nor could I find it in Alan Davies list; at least not CRI), so maybe we shouldn't spend sleepless nights trying to hear it, hi. best wishes, Nick At 07:03 22-09-12, you wrote: Hi Nick To add to the confusion, the two sites in NE China are probably directional tho I don't show them as such in the PAL. They're not all that far apart for co-channel transmitters with hundreds of kw power. In checking through my email trail, you first brought the Korean service to my attention back in 2007 after you received it and had Bill Harms translate the ID. Before that, I had only the Russian service listed. Bruce On 9/21/2012 23:13, Nick Hall-Patch wrote: Hi Dennis, I'm afraid I didn't look deeply enough into PALthere are yet two more CRI's listed on 1323. Lhasa we can ignore for now (later in the season perhaps, hi?), but there's another R. Kitaya, in Shuanghyashan, which is in northeastern China 46 40N, 131 21E, and is likely the one that Walt and I are hearing these mornings, especially if it's directional to the Russian Far East.The KK service is more likely to be real DX for us, if it's directional into Korea, though of course there may be side lobes. But that's all speculation on my part. best wishes, Nick ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] 1323
Nick The Lhasa site is or was used for service to south Asia. CRI's website still lists English at 1600-1800 on 1323, but not the 1500 Hindi broadcast. It's possible the 1323 South Asian BC has moved to a different site, maybe somewhere in Xinjiang??? It may require a field visit to settle the issue :) Bruce On 9/22/2012 07:31, Nick Hall-Patch wrote: Hi Bruce, I just got a note from Mauno Ritola pointing out that Lhasa isn't in WRTH (nor could I find it in Alan Davies list; at least not CRI), so maybe we shouldn't spend sleepless nights trying to hear it, hi. best wishes, Nick At 07:03 22-09-12, you wrote: Hi Nick To add to the confusion, the two sites in NE China are probably directional tho I don't show them as such in the PAL. They're not all that far apart for co-channel transmitters with hundreds of kw power. In checking through my email trail, you first brought the Korean service to my attention back in 2007 after you received it and had Bill Harms translate the ID. Before that, I had only the Russian service listed. Bruce On 9/21/2012 23:13, Nick Hall-Patch wrote: Hi Dennis, I'm afraid I didn't look deeply enough into PALthere are yet two more CRI's listed on 1323. Lhasa we can ignore for now (later in the season perhaps, hi?), but there's another R. Kitaya, in Shuanghyashan, which is in northeastern China 46 40N, 131 21E, and is likely the one that Walt and I are hearing these mornings, especially if it's directional to the Russian Far East.The KK service is more likely to be real DX for us, if it's directional into Korea, though of course there may be side lobes. But that's all speculation on my part. best wishes, Nick ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] 1323
Hi Bruce, I just got a note from Mauno Ritola pointing out that Lhasa isn't in WRTH (nor could I find it in Alan Davies list; at least not CRI), so maybe we shouldn't spend sleepless nights trying to hear it, hi. best wishes, Nick At 07:03 22-09-12, you wrote: Hi Nick To add to the confusion, the two sites in NE China are probably directional tho I don't show them as such in the PAL. They're not all that far apart for co-channel transmitters with hundreds of kw power. In checking through my email trail, you first brought the Korean service to my attention back in 2007 after you received it and had Bill Harms translate the ID. Before that, I had only the Russian service listed. Bruce On 9/21/2012 23:13, Nick Hall-Patch wrote: Hi Dennis, I'm afraid I didn't look deeply enough into PALthere are yet two more CRI's listed on 1323. Lhasa we can ignore for now (later in the season perhaps, hi?), but there's another R. Kitaya, in Shuanghyashan, which is in northeastern China 46 40N, 131 21E, and is likely the one that Walt and I are hearing these mornings, especially if it's directional to the Russian Far East.The KK service is more likely to be real DX for us, if it's directional into Korea, though of course there may be side lobes. But that's all speculation on my part. best wishes, Nick ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] 1323
Hi Nick To add to the confusion, the two sites in NE China are probably directional tho I don't show them as such in the PAL. They're not all that far apart for co-channel transmitters with hundreds of kw power. In checking through my email trail, you first brought the Korean service to my attention back in 2007 after you received it and had Bill Harms translate the ID. Before that, I had only the Russian service listed. Bruce On 9/21/2012 23:13, Nick Hall-Patch wrote: Hi Dennis, I'm afraid I didn't look deeply enough into PALthere are yet two more CRI's listed on 1323. Lhasa we can ignore for now (later in the season perhaps, hi?), but there's another R. Kitaya, in Shuanghyashan, which is in northeastern China 46 40N, 131 21E, and is likely the one that Walt and I are hearing these mornings, especially if it's directional to the Russian Far East.The KK service is more likely to be real DX for us, if it's directional into Korea, though of course there may be side lobes. But that's all speculation on my part. best wishes, Nick At 04:56 22-09-12, you wrote: Nick, PAL's lists the CRI 1323 kHz Huadian , Jilin station with Korean from 1100-1400 utc. Huadian site is about 260 miles West of the Pacific ocean and around 100 miles North of North Korea. Huadian does broadcast VOR from 1400-1500 utc. The CRI Hutubi, Xinjiang station on 1323 kHz is listed with Russian from 1300-1457 utc. The Hutubi site is about 1,600 miles West of the Pacific Ocean . This site has two rows of four antennas and another area has 4 antennas. 44°09'33"N,86°53'58"E. If you have time, enter coordinates on Google Earth and view the transmitter site. Both Huadian and Hutubi are listed in Asiawaves as 600 kw. Best regards, Dennis, Kalama, WA Dennis, Kalama, WA From: Nick Hall-Patch To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [IRCA] 1323 To confuse the issue, PAL lists two separate CRI transmitters on 1323, one broadcasting KK (and to further confusion yet, it goes to VoR at 1400UT), and one broadcasting RR. But the latter is in the far northwest of the country, so seems a little unlikely to be the one that we are hearing in RR... So does the Huadian transmitter broadcast RR in spite of what is stated in the schedule?It sure sounded like RR to me at 1334UT this morning. Puzzling. best wishes, Nick At 18:05 21-09-12, Walt wrote: > Dennis, 1323 here is solid CRI Russian, but this is later than your > time (c 13:30). Is Korean on before the Russian service? ..Walt > > On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Dennis Vroom wrote: > > > > > 1323 CHINA, CRI Jilin Province 1130-1237 in and out very weak to weak signal. Korean (PALS & Asia waves). Fair signal with moderate splatter at 1310.NW ewe. 09/21/2012 > > > > > __ ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] 1323
And, to belabor things a bit more, the RR signal on 1323 seems to have been at 1322.9990kHz this morning, but there were at least four other carriers there as well. best wishes, Nick At 18:05 21-09-12, Walt wrote: Dennis, 1323 here is solid CRI Russian, but this is later than your time (c 13:30). Is Korean on before the Russian service? ..Walt On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Dennis Vroom wrote: > > 1323 CHINA, CRI Jilin Province 1130-1237 in and out very weak to weak signal. Korean (PALS & Asia waves). Fair signal with moderate splatter at 1310.NW ewe. 09/21/2012 > > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] 1323
Hi Dennis, I'm afraid I didn't look deeply enough into PALthere are yet two more CRI's listed on 1323. Lhasa we can ignore for now (later in the season perhaps, hi?), but there's another R. Kitaya, in Shuanghyashan, which is in northeastern China 46 40N, 131 21E, and is likely the one that Walt and I are hearing these mornings, especially if it's directional to the Russian Far East.The KK service is more likely to be real DX for us, if it's directional into Korea, though of course there may be side lobes. But that's all speculation on my part. best wishes, Nick At 04:56 22-09-12, you wrote: Nick, PAL's lists the CRI 1323 kHz Huadian , Jilin station with Korean from 1100-1400 utc. Huadian site is about 260 miles West of the Pacific ocean and around 100 miles North of North Korea. Huadian does broadcast VOR from 1400-1500 utc. The CRI Hutubi, Xinjiang station on 1323 kHz is listed with Russian from 1300-1457 utc. The Hutubi site is about 1,600 miles West of the Pacific Ocean . This site has two rows of four antennas and another area has 4 antennas. 44°09'33"N,86°53'58"E. If you have time, enter coordinates on Google Earth and view the transmitter site. Both Huadian and Hutubi are listed in Asiawaves as 600 kw. Best regards, Dennis, Kalama, WA Dennis, Kalama, WA From: Nick Hall-Patch To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [IRCA] 1323 To confuse the issue, PAL lists two separate CRI transmitters on 1323, one broadcasting KK (and to further confusion yet, it goes to VoR at 1400UT), and one broadcasting RR. But the latter is in the far northwest of the country, so seems a little unlikely to be the one that we are hearing in RR... So does the Huadian transmitter broadcast RR in spite of what is stated in the schedule?It sure sounded like RR to me at 1334UT this morning. Puzzling. best wishes, Nick At 18:05 21-09-12, Walt wrote: > Dennis, 1323 here is solid CRI Russian, but this is later than your > time (c 13:30). Is Korean on before the Russian service? ..Walt > > On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Dennis Vroom wrote: > > > > > 1323 CHINA, CRI Jilin Province 1130-1237 in and out very weak to weak signal. Korean (PALS & Asia waves). Fair signal with moderate splatter at 1310.NW ewe. 09/21/2012 > > > > > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] 1323
Confirmed, NIck. Positively Russian. I have them logged on Sept 18th, for instance at 13:18 and 13:36 at 8 level Russian. Earlier, too weak to be sure.Walt On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 4:50 AM, Nick Hall-Patch wrote: > To confuse the issue, PAL lists two separate CRI transmitters on 1323, one > broadcasting KK (and to further confusion yet, it goes to VoR at 1400UT), > and one broadcasting RR. But the latter is in the far northwest of the > country, so seems a little unlikely to be the one that we are hearing in > RR... > > So does the Huadian transmitter broadcast RR in spite of what is stated in > the schedule?It sure sounded like RR to me at 1334UT this morning. > > Puzzling. > > best wishes, > > Nick > > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] 1323
Nick, PAL's lists the CRI 1323 kHz Huadian , Jilin station with Korean from 1100-1400 utc. Huadian site is about 260 miles West of the Pacific ocean and around 100 miles North of North Korea. Huadian does broadcast VOR from 1400-1500 utc. The CRI Hutubi, Xinjiang station on 1323 kHz is listed with Russian from 1300-1457 utc. The Hutubi site is about 1,600 miles West of the Pacific Ocean . This site has two rows of four antennas and another area has 4 antennas. 44°09'33"N,86°53'58"E. If you have time, enter coordinates on Google Earth and view the transmitter site. Both Huadian and Hutubi are listed in Asiawaves as 600 kw. Best regards, Dennis, Kalama, WA Dennis, Kalama, WA From: Nick Hall-Patch To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [IRCA] 1323 To confuse the issue, PAL lists two separate CRI transmitters on 1323, one broadcasting KK (and to further confusion yet, it goes to VoR at 1400UT), and one broadcasting RR. But the latter is in the far northwest of the country, so seems a little unlikely to be the one that we are hearing in RR... So does the Huadian transmitter broadcast RR in spite of what is stated in the schedule? It sure sounded like RR to me at 1334UT this morning. Puzzling. best wishes, Nick At 18:05 21-09-12, Walt wrote: > Dennis, 1323 here is solid CRI Russian, but this is later than your > time (c 13:30). Is Korean on before the Russian service? ..Walt > > On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Dennis Vroom wrote: > > > > > 1323 CHINA, CRI Jilin Province 1130-1237 in and out very weak to weak > > signal. Korean (PALS & Asia waves). Fair signal with moderate splatter at > > 1310.NW ewe. 09/21/2012 > > > > > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original > contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its > editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] 1323
To confuse the issue, PAL lists two separate CRI transmitters on 1323, one broadcasting KK (and to further confusion yet, it goes to VoR at 1400UT), and one broadcasting RR. But the latter is in the far northwest of the country, so seems a little unlikely to be the one that we are hearing in RR... So does the Huadian transmitter broadcast RR in spite of what is stated in the schedule?It sure sounded like RR to me at 1334UT this morning. Puzzling. best wishes, Nick At 18:05 21-09-12, Walt wrote: Dennis, 1323 here is solid CRI Russian, but this is later than your time (c 13:30). Is Korean on before the Russian service? ..Walt On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Dennis Vroom wrote: > > 1323 CHINA, CRI Jilin Province 1130-1237 in and out very weak to weak signal. Korean (PALS & Asia waves). Fair signal with moderate splatter at 1310.NW ewe. 09/21/2012 > > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] 1323
Dennis, 1323 here is solid CRI Russian, but this is later than your time (c 13:30). Is Korean on before the Russian service? ..Walt On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Dennis Vroom wrote: > > 1323 CHINA, CRI Jilin Province 1130-1237 in and out very weak to weak > signal. Korean (PALS & Asia waves). Fair signal with moderate splatter at > 1310.NW ewe. 09/21/2012 > > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] 1323 in English
VOR 1323 weak to fair here with some CHMB-1320 splatter. France 162 is still coming in fair. But again the LW Noise Level is rough on sme channels. Patrick Martin KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] 1323 in English
At 11:15 PM 1/23/2009, you wrote: >At 07:02 1/24/2009, you wrote: > >>Fair to good level on 1323 with VOR in English at 07:00. This one seems to >>always appear late in the evening, conditions permitting..Walt. > >suspect they don't sign on until 0600UT, Walt. > > >* >Nick Hall-Patch >Victoria, BC >Canada Nick, just checked the most recent EMWG and you're right about the 06:00 s/on. Also it's from Germany, and not Kalinigrad that I said earlier.Walt. ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] 1323 in English
At 07:02 1/24/2009, you wrote: >Fair to good level on 1323 with VOR in English at 07:00. This one seems to >always appear late in the evening, conditions permitting..Walt. suspect they don't sign on until 0600UT, Walt. * Nick Hall-Patch Victoria, BC Canada ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
[IRCA] 1323 in English
Fair to good level on 1323 with VOR in English at 07:00. This one seems to always appear late in the evening, conditions permitting..Walt. ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] 1323 also in
Yes, the Voice of Russia was in quite well here also at the same time. Spain on 999 and my unID (sounding like it could be Czech) on 639 also with fair audio. Germany on 1269 is the best at the moment though. 73, Nigel Pimblett Dunmore, Alberta Walter Salmaniw wrote: VOR on 1323 is also propagating at 06:19 UTC at fair to good levelsthis is the best audio I've heard down here for a while. Yes, I would have loved to have been up on the Charlottes tonight! A message for Chuck Hutton re west coast of Vancouver Island: Hurricane warnings tonight! Should be exciting next week at Winter Harbour! ..Walt. ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
[IRCA] 1323 also in
VOR on 1323 is also propagating at 06:19 UTC at fair to good levelsthis is the best audio I've heard down here for a while. Yes, I would have loved to have been up on the Charlottes tonight! A message for Chuck Hutton re west coast of Vancouver Island: Hurricane warnings tonight! Should be exciting next week at Winter Harbour! ..Walt. ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
