[IRCA] 990 Code Challenge

[amdxer]

Here is a code challenge on 990khz.  

While listening to KRMO 990 on 9/16 I noted five
occurances of "code" at top of hour and the half
hour.  I hesitate to use the word "Morse
Code" beause the code character is not a known
alpha/numeric or punctuation mark or other character that
I am aware of.  The code heard is .._.. (dit dit
dah dit dit) sent at very high speed.  You need to
slow it down to hear the individual dits and the
dah. 

Does anyone know the source or the
purpose?  At the same time the code was heard CKGM
was strong, CBW was there but nulled, KRMO was in/out and
WGSO was also heard.  The character heard is not the
same as the familiar Cuban RR.

I can send
anyone interested in hearing this a short audio clip.

Tom Jasinski
Joliet, IL

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Re: [IRCA] 990 Code Challenge

[ng0g]

Tom,

Two questions.

-Could it have been .. _ _ ..
and 
-Were there small gaps between the .. and - or was the whole thing run together?

I will try to listen tonight if I can hear them in Iowa.

Steve Hawkins NG0G
73 49 111 01001001

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Subject: [IRCA] 990 Code Challenge



Here is a code challenge on 990khz.  

While listening to KRMO 990 on 9/16 I noted five
occurances of "code" at top of hour and the half
hour.  I hesitate to use the word "Morse
Code" beause the code character is not a known
alpha/numeric or punctuation mark or other character that
I am aware of.  The code heard is .._.. (dit dit
dah dit dit) sent at very high speed.  You need to
slow it down to hear the individual dits and the
dah. 

Does anyone know the source or the
purpose?  At the same time the code was heard CKGM
was strong, CBW was there but nulled, KRMO was in/out and
WGSO was also heard.  The character heard is not the
same as the familiar Cuban RR.

I can send
anyone interested in hearing this a short audio clip.

Tom Jasinski
Joliet, IL

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Re: [IRCA] 990 Code Challenge

[Rick Dau]

I've gone through the International Morse Code guide, and it has to be two 
characters that are being put together when transmitted.  Going by what Tom's 
dsecribing, the only combos I can come up with are "EL", "ID", "UI", and 
"FE".   Something else to think about -- if it was being broadcast at JUST the 
top and bottom of the hour, it may be part of a news network's sounder, so it 
may not even be a station at all.  
 
73,
Rick Dau
South Omaha, Nebraska

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Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: [IRCA] 990 Code Challenge

Tom,

Two questions.

-Could it have been .. _ _ ..
and 
-Were there small gaps between the .. and - or was the whole thing run together?

I will try to listen tonight if I can hear them in Iowa.

Steve Hawkins NG0G
73 49 111 01001001

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Subject: [IRCA] 990 Code Challenge



Here is a code challenge on 990khz.  

While listening to KRMO 990 on 9/16 I noted five
occurances of "code" at top of hour and the half
hour.  I hesitate to use the word "Morse
Code" beause the code character is not a known
alpha/numeric or punctuation mark or other character that
I am aware of.  The code heard is .._.. (dit dit
dah dit dit) sent at very high speed.  You need to
slow it down to hear the individual dits and the
dah. 

Does anyone know the source or the
purpose?  At the same time the code was heard CKGM
was strong, CBW was there but nulled, KRMO was in/out and
WGSO was also heard.  The character heard is not the
same as the familiar Cuban RR.

I can send
anyone interested in hearing this a short audio clip.

Tom Jasinski
Joliet, IL

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Re: [IRCA] 990 Code Challenge

[Tim Hills]

Was KRMO carrying syndicated programming at the time?

Some of the "robot" controllers use a Morse-like code to tell the 
controller things like "Place commercial here" and time synching. 
They're supposed to mute the codes but maybe the controller was down or 
malfunctioning.


Tim Hills
Sioux Falls, SD

On 9/20/2011 8:54, amd...@core.com wrote:


Here is a code challenge on 990khz.  


While listening to KRMO 990 on 9/16 I noted five
occurances of "code" at top of hour and the half
hour.  I hesitate to use the word "Morse
Code" beause the code character is not a known
alpha/numeric or punctuation mark or other character that
I am aware of.  The code heard is .._.. (dit dit
dah dit dit) sent at very high speed.  You need to
slow it down to hear the individual dits and the
dah. 


Does anyone know the source or the
purpose?  At the same time the code was heard CKGM
was strong, CBW was there but nulled, KRMO was in/out and
WGSO was also heard.  The character heard is not the
same as the familiar Cuban RR.

I can send
anyone interested in hearing this a short audio clip.

Tom Jasinski
Joliet, IL

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Re: [IRCA] 990 Code Challenge

[Paul B. Walker, Jr.]

No automation system in radio I know of uses morse code to tell an
automation what to do. Rather, in the old days, 25/35hz tones were sent to
fire off commercials. Now, spots are hard timed or triggered by the
satelitte.. however.. Ive heard stations where the triggers to fire off
something local were audible even though they weren't supposed to be.

That being said, an inaudible satelitte cute that mistakenly becomes audible
is usually a very deep sounding thud/thump, is one quick tone or sounds like
touchtones form a phone.. not morse code.

Paul



On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Tim Hills  wrote:

> Was KRMO carrying syndicated programming at the time?
>
> Some of the "robot" controllers use a Morse-like code to tell the
> controller things like "Place commercial here" and time synching. They're
> supposed to mute the codes but maybe the controller was down or
> malfunctioning.
>
> Tim Hills
> Sioux Falls, SD
>
>
> On 9/20/2011 8:54, amd...@core.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Here is a code challenge on 990khz.
>> While listening to KRMO 990 on 9/16 I noted five
>> occurances of "code" at top of hour and the half
>> hour.  I hesitate to use the word "Morse
>> Code" beause the code character is not a known
>> alpha/numeric or punctuation mark or other character that
>> I am aware of.  The code heard is .._.. (dit dit
>> dah dit dit) sent at very high speed.  You need to
>> slow it down to hear the individual dits and the
>> dah.
>> Does anyone know the source or the
>> purpose?  At the same time the code was heard CKGM
>> was strong, CBW was there but nulled, KRMO was in/out and
>> WGSO was also heard.  The character heard is not the
>> same as the familiar Cuban RR.
>>
>> I can send
>> anyone interested in hearing this a short audio clip.
>>
>> Tom Jasinski
>> Joliet, IL
>>
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Re: [IRCA] 990 Code Challenge

[Russ Edmunds]

There are a number of programs or stations where a series of tones are 
broadcast at or near TOH, usually just before an ID. I hear these routinely on 
some of the GY channels. They aren't rapid-fire as Tom initially described, nor 
are they code. My hunch has been that these are part of the satellite feed to 
make the break for the local ID, and that they may be intended to be 
suppressed, but that isn't happening. That may or may not be what's happening 
here, as I haven't heard the recording.

 
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15 mi NNW of Philadelphia 
Grid FN20id

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AM:  Modified Sony ICF 2010's barefoot



From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." 
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Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [IRCA] 990 Code Challenge

No automation system in radio I know of uses morse code to tell an
automation what to do. Rather, in the old days, 25/35hz tones were sent to
fire off commercials. Now, spots are hard timed or triggered by the
satelitte.. however.. Ive heard stations where the triggers to fire off
something local were audible even though they weren't supposed to be.

That being said, an inaudible satelitte cute that mistakenly becomes audible
is usually a very deep sounding thud/thump, is one quick tone or sounds like
touchtones form a phone.. not morse code.

Paul



On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Tim Hills  wrote:

> Was KRMO carrying syndicated programming at the time?
>
> Some of the "robot" controllers use a Morse-like code to tell the
> controller things like "Place commercial here" and time synching. They're
> supposed to mute the codes but maybe the controller was down or
> malfunctioning.
>
> Tim Hills
> Sioux Falls, SD
>
>
> On 9/20/2011 8:54, amd...@core.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Here is a code challenge on 990khz.
>> While listening to KRMO 990 on 9/16 I noted five
>> occurances of "code" at top of hour and the half
>> hour.  I hesitate to use the word "Morse
>> Code" beause the code character is not a known
>> alpha/numeric or punctuation mark or other character that
>> I am aware of.  The code heard is .._.. (dit dit
>> dah dit dit) sent at very high speed.  You need to
>> slow it down to hear the individual dits and the
>> dah.
>> Does anyone know the source or the
>> purpose?  At the same time the code was heard CKGM
>> was strong, CBW was there but nulled, KRMO was in/out and
>> WGSO was also heard.  The character heard is not the
>> same as the familiar Cuban RR.
>>
>> I can send
>> anyone interested in hearing this a short audio clip.
>>
>> Tom Jasinski
>> Joliet, IL
>>
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Re: [IRCA] 990 Code Challenge

[Paul B. Walker, Jr.]

Russ,

What you're hearing is usually the cue to open up the satelitte channel for
TOH News. Since most networks feed silence the channel is opened up right
before it's actually needed.

But, this however, isn't limited to just graveyard channels.

Paul



On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Russ Edmunds  wrote:

> There are a number of programs or stations where a series of tones are
> broadcast at or near TOH, usually just before an ID. I hear these routinely
> on some of the GY channels. They aren't rapid-fire as Tom initially
> described, nor are they code. My hunch has been that these are part of the
> satellite feed to make the break for the local ID, and that they may be
> intended to be suppressed, but that isn't happening. That may or may not be
> what's happening here, as I haven't heard the recording.
>
>
> Russ Edmunds
> 15 mi NNW of Philadelphia
> Grid FN20id
> 
> FM: Yamaha T-80 & Onkyo T-450RDS w/ APS9B @15'; Grundig G8
> AM:  Modified Sony ICF 2010's barefoot
>
>
> 
> From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." 
> To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America <
> irca@hard-core-dx.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 6:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] 990 Code Challenge
>
> No automation system in radio I know of uses morse code to tell an
> automation what to do. Rather, in the old days, 25/35hz tones were sent to
> fire off commercials. Now, spots are hard timed or triggered by the
> satelitte.. however.. Ive heard stations where the triggers to fire off
> something local were audible even though they weren't supposed to be.
>
> That being said, an inaudible satelitte cute that mistakenly becomes
> audible
> is usually a very deep sounding thud/thump, is one quick tone or sounds
> like
> touchtones form a phone.. not morse code.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Tim Hills  wrote:
>
> > Was KRMO carrying syndicated programming at the time?
> >
> > Some of the "robot" controllers use a Morse-like code to tell the
> > controller things like "Place commercial here" and time synching. They're
> > supposed to mute the codes but maybe the controller was down or
> > malfunctioning.
> >
> > Tim Hills
> > Sioux Falls, SD
> >
> >
> > On 9/20/2011 8:54, amd...@core.com wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Here is a code challenge on 990khz.
> >> While listening to KRMO 990 on 9/16 I noted five
> >> occurances of "code" at top of hour and the half
> >> hour.  I hesitate to use the word "Morse
> >> Code" beause the code character is not a known
> >> alpha/numeric or punctuation mark or other character that
> >> I am aware of.  The code heard is .._.. (dit dit
> >> dah dit dit) sent at very high speed.  You need to
> >> slow it down to hear the individual dits and the
> >> dah.
> >> Does anyone know the source or the
> >> purpose?  At the same time the code was heard CKGM
> >> was strong, CBW was there but nulled, KRMO was in/out and
> >> WGSO was also heard.  The character heard is not the
> >> same as the familiar Cuban RR.
> >>
> >> I can send
> >> anyone interested in hearing this a short audio clip.
> >>
> >> Tom Jasinski
> >> Joliet, IL
> >>
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Re: [IRCA] 990 Code Challenge

[Russ Edmunds]

I realize it isn't - but that happens to be where 90+% of my AM DX'ing 
happens.  ;-}

 
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From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." 
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America 

Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [IRCA] 990 Code Challenge

Russ,

What you're hearing is usually the cue to open up the satelitte channel for
TOH News. Since most networks feed silence the channel is opened up right
before it's actually needed.

But, this however, isn't limited to just graveyard channels.

Paul



On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Russ Edmunds  wrote:

> There are a number of programs or stations where a series of tones are
> broadcast at or near TOH, usually just before an ID. I hear these routinely
> on some of the GY channels. They aren't rapid-fire as Tom initially
> described, nor are they code. My hunch has been that these are part of the
> satellite feed to make the break for the local ID, and that they may be
> intended to be suppressed, but that isn't happening. That may or may not be
> what's happening here, as I haven't heard the recording.
>
>
> Russ Edmunds
> 15 mi NNW of Philadelphia
> Grid FN20id
> 
> FM: Yamaha T-80 & Onkyo T-450RDS w/ APS9B @15'; Grundig G8
> AM:  Modified Sony ICF 2010's barefoot
>
>
> 
> From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." 
> To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America <
> irca@hard-core-dx.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 6:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] 990 Code Challenge
>
> No automation system in radio I know of uses morse code to tell an
> automation what to do. Rather, in the old days, 25/35hz tones were sent to
> fire off commercials. Now, spots are hard timed or triggered by the
> satelitte.. however.. Ive heard stations where the triggers to fire off
> something local were audible even though they weren't supposed to be.
>
> That being said, an inaudible satelitte cute that mistakenly becomes
> audible
> is usually a very deep sounding thud/thump, is one quick tone or sounds
> like
> touchtones form a phone.. not morse code.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Tim Hills  wrote:
>
> > Was KRMO carrying syndicated programming at the time?
> >
> > Some of the "robot" controllers use a Morse-like code to tell the
> > controller things like "Place commercial here" and time synching. They're
> > supposed to mute the codes but maybe the controller was down or
> > malfunctioning.
> >
> > Tim Hills
> > Sioux Falls, SD
> >
> >
> > On 9/20/2011 8:54, amd...@core.com wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Here is a code challenge on 990khz.
> >> While listening to KRMO 990 on 9/16 I noted five
> >> occurances of "code" at top of hour and the half
> >> hour.  I hesitate to use the word "Morse
> >> Code" beause the code character is not a known
> >> alpha/numeric or punctuation mark or other character that
> >> I am aware of.  The code heard is .._.. (dit dit
> >> dah dit dit) sent at very high speed.  You need to
> >> slow it down to hear the individual dits and the
> >> dah.
> >> Does anyone know the source or the
> >> purpose?  At the same time the code was heard CKGM
> >> was strong, CBW was there but nulled, KRMO was in/out and
> >> WGSO was also heard.  The character heard is not the
> >> same as the familiar Cuban RR.
> >>
> >> I can send
> >> anyone interested in hearing this a short audio clip.
> >>
> >> Tom Jasinski
> >> Joliet, IL
> >>
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Re: [IRCA] 990 Code Challenge

[Tim Hills]

Paul,

I said "Morse-like"

A short series of short and long tones that might sound like Morse to 
someone who didn't know code. SDPR used to use something like that to 
cue TOH IDs, EBS tests, etc. We were linked through microwave relays 
rather than satellite with the NPR feed in Vermillion then fed through 
the microwave relays. I don't recall the name of the system and since I 
worked on the TV side I didn't deal with it anyway. If I recall 
correctly it was sent in the SCA but since MW has no SCA channel it may 
be bleeding through a faulty controller.


On the State TV network we sent the control signals in the vertical 
interval of the video but I got out of broadcasting many Moons before HDTV.


Tim Hills
Sioux Falls, SD


On 9/20/2011 17:39, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote:

No automation system in radio I know of uses morse code to tell an
automation what to do. Rather, in the old days, 25/35hz tones were sent to
fire off commercials. Now, spots are hard timed or triggered by the
satelitte.. however.. Ive heard stations where the triggers to fire off
something local were audible even though they weren't supposed to be.

That being said, an inaudible satelitte cute that mistakenly becomes audible
is usually a very deep sounding thud/thump, is one quick tone or sounds like
touchtones form a phone.. not morse code.

Paul



On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Tim Hills  wrote:


Was KRMO carrying syndicated programming at the time?

Some of the "robot" controllers use a Morse-like code to tell the
controller things like "Place commercial here" and time synching. They're
supposed to mute the codes but maybe the controller was down or
malfunctioning.

Tim Hills
Sioux Falls, SD


On 9/20/2011 8:54, amd...@core.com wrote:




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