Re: [IRCA] A Cold, Harsh Reality for Radio
It is funny, I was doing a bit of phasing this afternoon on 1230, my local KVAS, Astoria which I worked for back in the 70s. KVAS went to dead air and then into the Trailblazer Basketball Network. They paused for pregame spots, and I was surprised to hear network cover promos to buy tickets. No local spots!! That would never have happened when I worked at KVAS, under the then owner Chuck Farmer. Sports was always sold solid. all things may not always have been, but Sports, tons of pre-pregame spots and post-post game spots, all the way through. Unfortunately, KVAS has become what so many other stations have become. Also listening to their satellite CW format, I rarely hear any spots. The three AM stations in Clatsop County always had separate owners, but not any longer. KAST/KVAS are both co owned these days, along with a bunch of FMs. The OM told me he never even listens to KVAS and he is the Operations Manager! It is really sad. Chuck Farmer must be rolling over in his grave. Besides that, with their move to Warrenton from Astoria, they no longer have power, when outages take place, so they lost the EAS to a non-commercial FM. Maybe one reason I am critical of what has happened, is I worked in the real radio days. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] A Cold, Harsh Reality for Radio
Today Mallard Fillmore comics has a comment: http://www.am-dx.com/Graphics/mallard_fillmore.gif Craig Healy Providence, RI ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] A Cold, Harsh Reality for Radio
Paul, maybe what you're suggesting works in your situation and if that's the case that's good but I've seen to many situations where so called local stations have gotten away from serving the area they are licensed to. When you hear morning shows tell the listeners to go to the station's website for school closings during bad weather, that's not serving the area or providing local coverage when the audience needs or is looking for it. When you see major media groups sell their stations as is the case with what happened in Southern Connecticut, you have to wonder. Cox Media Group based in Atlanta, sold two AM stations that were simulcasting to the local public radio group and one of their FM's went to the Educational Media Foundation or K-love so the contemporary Christian format that the California based group offers could be heard in New York City. Is that local radio? No. Radio is spending too much time saying one thing and doing another. The other day, I was reading about a local group in Milwaukee that owns a few stations. They talked about how they are involved with their community and how they are appreciated by the advertisers and the people who live in the area. That may be true however when I brought up one of their stations on the website, I heard John Tesh. Yeah thats local programming right? These groups have the money and resources to provide local programming but in too many cases, they don't care to. I'm not against saving money but do it for the right reasons. Larry - Original Message - From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. walkerbroadcast...@gmail.com To: Rick Dau drummer1965...@yahoo.com; a...@nrcdxas.org Cc: ci...@hard-core-dx.com Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [IRCA] A Cold, Harsh Reality for Radio It all boils down to..if you want local radio to survive, support it. Shop the advertisers, let the local radio station know you appreciate what they do. Shopping at an advertiser and telling a station simple Thank You lets them know what they're doing is working.. and that appreciation drives us broadcasters to do what we do.. well, most of us. I love radio and have made a career of it. I am not giving up on it. Paul On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Rick Dau drummer1965...@yahoo.com wrote: I do all the time, Russ. Every morning, my Sangean ATS-909X goes off at 5:05, and it wakes me up to KCJJ-1630, so that I keep in touch with what's going on back in Iowa City. During my workdays and when I'm at home on the weekends, I often listen to music on KWMT-540 out of Fort Dodge. And for U. of Iowa sports events, I tune it to WHO. Reading all these posts and trying to take in the inevitability of it all just makes my sick to my stomach. I've heard scuttlebutt that the FAA is going to do away with all NDBs within the next 15 years. So there goes DXing longwave for those. Now I'm supposed to resign myself to the fact that terrestrial AM AND FM radio stations will be dinosaurs in 20 years or so? I have listened briefly to SiriusXM, and while I enjoy the novelty of it, it can't replace anything that has the capability to provide the LOCAL listening public with news, weather (including tornado warnings!), and everything else that inextricably identifies itself with the community that it serves. Dammit, I don't want this hobby to die. I enjoy it too much. Terrestrial radio stations have been around for nearly a century. What do we as DXers do if they ever go away? In short, we as a society are depersonalizing ourselves...all for the sake of the advancement of technology and bowing down to the almighty dollar. I'm absolutely frightened as to what it's going to look like in 50 years. I think Paul Harvey asked it bestHave we outsmarted ourselves? 73 (while I can still wish it), Rick Dau South Omaha, Nebraska -- A Cold, Harsh Reality for Radio--according to some auto-industry folks, AM and FM are being eliminated from the dash of two car companies within two years and will be eliminated from the dash of all cars within five years... And it seems GM's Chevrolet could be one of those automakers.*** * ** ** www.ericrhoads.blogs.com/ink_tank/ ** ** I have no idea how inevitable this is, but the blogger above seems convinced, based on what he heard at the conference he talks about... ** ** *Randy Stewart* Arts Producer KSMU 901 S. National Springfield MO 65897 ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA
[IRCA] A Cold, Harsh Reality for Radio
A Cold, Harsh Reality for Radio--according to some auto-industry folks, AM and FM are being eliminated from the dash of two car companies within two years and will be eliminated from the dash of all cars within five years... And it seems GM's Chevrolet could be one of those automakers. www.ericrhoads.blogs.com/ink_tank/http://www.ericrhoads.blogs.com/ink_tank/ I have no idea how inevitable this is, but the blogger above seems convinced, based on what he heard at the conference he talks about... Randy Stewart Arts Producer KSMU 901 S. National Springfield MO 65897 ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] A Cold, Harsh Reality for Radio
I do all the time, Russ. Every morning, my Sangean ATS-909X goes off at 5:05, and it wakes me up to KCJJ-1630, so that I keep in touch with what's going on back in Iowa City. During my workdays and when I'm at home on the weekends, I often listen to music on KWMT-540 out of Fort Dodge. And for U. of Iowa sports events, I tune it to WHO. Reading all these posts and trying to take in the inevitability of it all just makes my sick to my stomach. I've heard scuttlebutt that the FAA is going to do away with all NDBs within the next 15 years. So there goes DXing longwave for those. Now I'm supposed to resign myself to the fact that terrestrial AM AND FM radio stations will be dinosaurs in 20 years or so? I have listened briefly to SiriusXM, and while I enjoy the novelty of it, it can't replace anything that has the capability to provide the LOCAL listening public with news, weather (including tornado warnings!), and everything else that inextricably identifies itself with the community that it serves. Dammit, I don't want this hobby to die. I enjoy it too much. Terrestrial radio stations have been around for nearly a century. What do we as DXers do if they ever go away? In short, we as a society are depersonalizing ourselves...all for the sake of the advancement of technology and bowing down to the almighty dollar. I'm absolutely frightened as to what it's going to look like in 50 years. I think Paul Harvey asked it bestHave we outsmarted ourselves? 73 (while I can still wish it), Rick Dau South Omaha, Nebraska From: Russ Edmunds wb2...@yahoo.com To: a...@nrcdxas.org Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [NRC-AM] A amCold, Harsh Reality for Radio I wonder how many of us, with whatever average age DX'ers have, which is surely well north of 40, listen to radio very much other than for DX Russ Edmunds 15 mi NNW of Philadelphia Grid FN20id wb2...@yahoo.com FM: Yamaha T-80 Onkyo T-450RDS w/ APS9B @15'; Grundig G8 AM: Modified Sony ICF 2010's barefoot --- On Fri, 3/8/13, Larry Stoler lstole...@optonline.net wrote: From: Larry Stoler lstole...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [NRC-AM] A Cold, Harsh Reality for Radio To: fvo...@realoldiesradio.com, a...@nrcdxas.org Date: Friday, March 8, 2013, 6:43 PM Well said, Fred. That's the problem and those who make decisions about what they feel makes good programming don't get it. I never thought the day would come when I would listen to very little over the air radio but that's the case with me and many other people. I keep up with what's going on in the industry and that alone convinces me that most of what's on these days isn't worth bothering with. As far as Sirius XM goes, what satellite radio offers won't stand out after Pandora and other places to get music and whatever people want become standard in automobiles and that's coming. Larry Stoler - Original Message - From: Frederick R. Vobbe To: a...@nrcdxas.org Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [NRC-AM] A Cold, Harsh Reality for Radio Agreed. I know people in my community paying as much as $350 p/month for “content” which includes XM, on-line, and cable. It blows me away at what people will pay, and then on the other side decry poverty. And then there are the TV spectrum auctions, which are setting up to turn local television into a model for pay. I have the MP3 player (portable) which I plug into the dash of my truck. I occasionally take a SW receiver with me, connected to the in-dash, and listen to broadcasts. Albeit, English and non-religion is becoming rare. But here is a reality. On a drive back from Illinois recently I tried listening to local radio. There was nothing of interest other than syndicated fare and mediocre programming. I was especially shocked at larger markets. So part of the problem with radio is not technology but content. The dynamic of programming has changed making radio moot to many. Terrestrial radio has lung cancer, and their solution is to light up another Winston. Fred From:Russ Edmunds Younger listeners don't mind paying, but it won't be for terrestrial radio, because they want to narrow in what they listen to, and the only radio doing that is XM/Sirius. They aren't going to pay to listen to most of what's on terrestrial radio now - no way - and I doubt that radio will change. Since XM/Sirius already comes with a pricetag, that's covered. But if they think they'll significantly boost XM/Sirius revenues that way, they may be disappointed. Me, I'd rather plug my mp3 player in than pay the freight for satellite. ___ The NRC AM mailing list Questions? ow...@nrcdxas.org Pre-orders for the 33rd AM Radio Log Now being accepted! Shipping 8/27/2012 FM
Re: [IRCA] A Cold, Harsh Reality for Radio
It all boils down to..if you want local radio to survive, support it. Shop the advertisers, let the local radio station know you appreciate what they do. Shopping at an advertiser and telling a station simple Thank You lets them know what they're doing is working.. and that appreciation drives us broadcasters to do what we do.. well, most of us. I love radio and have made a career of it. I am not giving up on it. Paul On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Rick Dau drummer1965...@yahoo.com wrote: I do all the time, Russ. Every morning, my Sangean ATS-909X goes off at 5:05, and it wakes me up to KCJJ-1630, so that I keep in touch with what's going on back in Iowa City. During my workdays and when I'm at home on the weekends, I often listen to music on KWMT-540 out of Fort Dodge. And for U. of Iowa sports events, I tune it to WHO. Reading all these posts and trying to take in the inevitability of it all just makes my sick to my stomach. I've heard scuttlebutt that the FAA is going to do away with all NDBs within the next 15 years. So there goes DXing longwave for those. Now I'm supposed to resign myself to the fact that terrestrial AM AND FM radio stations will be dinosaurs in 20 years or so? I have listened briefly to SiriusXM, and while I enjoy the novelty of it, it can't replace anything that has the capability to provide the LOCAL listening public with news, weather (including tornado warnings!), and everything else that inextricably identifies itself with the community that it serves. Dammit, I don't want this hobby to die. I enjoy it too much. Terrestrial radio stations have been around for nearly a century. What do we as DXers do if they ever go away? In short, we as a society are depersonalizing ourselves...all for the sake of the advancement of technology and bowing down to the almighty dollar. I'm absolutely frightened as to what it's going to look like in 50 years. I think Paul Harvey asked it bestHave we outsmarted ourselves? 73 (while I can still wish it), Rick Dau South Omaha, Nebraska -- A Cold, Harsh Reality for Radio--according to some auto-industry folks, AM and FM are being eliminated from the dash of two car companies within two years and will be eliminated from the dash of all cars within five years... And it seems GM's Chevrolet could be one of those automakers.*** * ** ** www.ericrhoads.blogs.com/ink_tank/ ** ** I have no idea how inevitable this is, but the blogger above seems convinced, based on what he heard at the conference he talks about... ** ** *Randy Stewart* Arts Producer KSMU 901 S. National Springfield MO 65897 ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] A Cold, Harsh Reality for Radio
With off-air radios supposedly not to be installed on some new cars, it brought a thought to my alleged mind... Years ago there were only a few TV stations available in any given city or town. Providence started with Channel 11 in the late 1940's after WWII. In the mid-50's they changed to Channel 10 when Channel 12 came on. In the mid-60's Channel 6 came on, completing ABC/CBS/NBC networks. Some time later, cable TV came along and it's claimed there are many hundreds of channels available. Some people think that over-the-air TV doesn't matter any more because of cable. And these days it's beginning to have Netflix and similar sources tossing cable off to the side. Transfer that history to radio. Streams are the radio equivalent of cable. When 4G is universal, iPods/iPads/iPhones and the later summary to a single portable internet and phone will get any stream, anywhere. At that point some people will think that over the air radio doesn't matter because of internet. So, in ten or twenty years radios may not matter very much. One of my clients sold their FM radio station but kept programming on streams. Different programming, different speeds and types of streams. It may be quite early, but they might just survive. Their streams are quite nice. http://www.mvyradio.com The bottom line is that time does change the world. Look at the use of cars vs. horses from 1905 to 1925. Twenty years made a whole 'nuther world. Time may do that for radio as well. Craig Healy Providence, RI ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
