Re: [IRCA] AM Broadcasters affected by RFI Issues

[John Sampson]

I couldn't agree more with what this article says.  Also, Les, you're right on 
the mark concerning fixes; they won't (and probably can't) happen.  
Unfortunately, solid state and digital devices are inherent noise generators 
and now that these are out of Pandora's Box, there's no putting them back in 
(and any "hope" for relief left in the box is non-existant).  

When we moved to Grand Rapids in 1998, there was virtually no electronic noise 
generators in our house and DXing was great.  DSL arrived a few years ago and 
the noise level rise was noticeable.  About the same time, we had our kitchen 
redone (with all the solid state noise generators), the power company installed 
a remote meter reader and a few other noise gremlins appeared.  Now, in order 
to do any significant DXing, I have to turn off the modem and computer, unplug 
the iPad and iPhone chargers, turn off all of the transformer-fed lights,  
throw a couple of breakers to kill kitchen appliances and light dimmers and 
take a few more steps.  Whee!!

Our place in Arizona is worse.  There's a 24 hour buzz, which seems to be 
generated by the power company and kills all but local signals during the day.  
Night is a bit better but I still have to power down the modem, computer, etc.  
When we first moved here (1996), I was able to have some very good DXing (no 
electronic noise then).  No longer the case!

Enough grousing; I was fortunate enough to start DXing in the noise free early 
1950s.  Those days are long gone but they certainly were fun! - John



On Dec 30, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Les Rayburn wrote:

> From Radio World.
> 
> AM Broadcasters affected by RFI issues: AFCCE Symposium Examines AM Broadcast 
> Band Woes 
> 
>  . AM broadcasters are calling upon the FCC to help reduce man-made RFI, 
> which is negatively impacting their businesses.
> 
> Pressure like this can only help. But the reality is that electronics 
> manufacturers, power companies, and similar industries all employ highly-paid 
> lobbyists making regulation and oversight difficult for the FCC to pursue.
> 
> DXing from my neighborhood has become so bad that I'm seriously considering 
> portable operation using SDR's to record TOH's in radio-quiet locations as 
> the only viable means of continuing in the hobby. RFI comes from every house, 
> including my own despite intensive efforts to reduce or eliminate it.
> 
> 
> -- 
> 73,
> 
> 
> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> Maylene, AL
> EM63
> 
> Member WTFDA, NRC, IRCA, & Medium Wave DX Circle
> Former CPC Chairman for NRC/IRCA
> 
> == FM DX
> 
> Sony XDR-F1HD, Sangean HDT-1, Elad FDM-S2, AirSpy.
> Denon TU-1500RD w/Ray Dees RDS Decoder,
> FM6 Antenna with CM Mast Pre-Amp, RG-11.
> 
> "Nothing but blues and Elvis and somebody else's
> favorite song..."
> 
> AM DX
> Elad FDM-S2, Wellbrook ALA1530+ Loop, Clifton Labs Active
> Whip, Superloop. Quantum Phaser, Kiwa Loop, Palstar MW Pre-Selector
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Re: [IRCA] AM Broadcasters affected by RFI Issues

[Patrick Martin]

One problem are the overhead power lines like on the coast with moisture. 

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
KGED QSL Manager

> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 09:59:45 -0500
> From: billbl...@cableone.net
> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] AM Broadcasters affected by RFI Issues
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> It looks like I am lucky as the noise level here in Arizona is very low.  
> When I left Portland 11 years ago the noise level was very high and very 
> little could be heard but its a lot different here in Arizona with the low 
> noise level.  I have talked to Hams and they also say that the noise level is 
> low here and I hope it stays that way. 
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> Prescott Valley, AZ
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Re: [IRCA] AM Broadcasters affected by RFI Issues

[Bob Coomler via IRCA]

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Well, not in "all" of Arizona, Bill.  :-)
Bob Coomler W7SWLTucson, AZ
 

  From: Bill Block 
 To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America 
 
 Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 7:59 AM
 Subject: Re: [IRCA] AM Broadcasters affected by RFI Issues
   
It looks like I am lucky as the noise level here in Arizona is very low.  When 
I left Portland 11 years ago the noise level was very high and very little 
could be heard but its a lot different here in Arizona with the low noise 
level.  I have talked to Hams and they also say that the noise level is low 
here and I hope it stays that way. 

Bill Block
Prescott Valley, AZ










































































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Re: [IRCA] AM Broadcasters affected by RFI Issues

[Bill Block]

It looks like I am lucky as the noise level here in Arizona is very low.  When 
I left Portland 11 years ago the noise level was very high and very little 
could be heard but its a lot different here in Arizona with the low noise 
level.  I have talked to Hams and they also say that the noise level is low 
here and I hope it stays that way. 

Bill Block
Prescott Valley, AZ










































































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Re: [IRCA] AM Broadcasters affected by RFI Issues

[Patrick Martin]

In many areas there are small utility companies without enough people to help 
solve noise issues often created by their power lines. Pacific Power here is 
pretty good, but the ones on the South Coast are different issue.

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
KGED QSL Manager

> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 08:35:58 +
> From: can...@gmail.com
> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] AM Broadcasters affected by RFI Issues
> 
> Sigh!  Your point is well taken, Patrick.  I suppose the odds are better
> than us urban folks.  73,  Walt
> 
> On Wednesday, December 30, 2015, Patrick Martin  wrote:
> 
> > Walt,
> >
> > Just because a person lives in a rural area doesn't mean the location is
> > noise free. Like here on the Northern Oregon Coast, I never used to have
> > noise, but i do now. I am hoping a Ham operator moving in this coming
> > Spring, that monitors 500 khz, we can find where it is coming from.  I have
> > a friend who lives in rural Coos County that cannot listen to the AM band
> > in most areas he drives. Happy New Year to all.
> >
> > Patrick Martin
> > Seaside OR
> > KGED QSL Manager
> >
> > > From: can...@gmail.com 
> > > Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 05:17:19 +
> > > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com 
> > > Subject: Re: [IRCA] AM Broadcasters affected by RFI Issues
> > >
> > > Les, I think that most of us have considered the same option of salvaging
> > > what's left of the hobby.  DXing from home for most of us is a lost
> > cause..
> > > Remote DXing may very well be the wave of the future, or for those of us
> > > lucky enough to own rural properties, another option.  I treasure my
> > times
> > > at my cottage on Haida Gwaii, off the NW coast of British Columbia.
> > Happy
> > > New Year to all!   Walt Salmaniw
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 9:08 PM, Les Rayburn  > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > From Radio World.
> > > >
> > > > AM Broadcasters affected by RFI issues: AFCCE Symposium Examines AM
> > > > Broadcast Band Woes <
> > > >
> > http://www.radioworld.com/article/afcce-symposium-examines-am-broadcast-band-woes/273098
> > >
> > > > . AM broadcasters are calling upon the FCC to help reduce man-made RFI,
> > > > which is negatively impacting their businesses.
> > > >
> > > > Pressure like this can only help. But the reality is that electronics
> > > > manufacturers, power companies, and similar industries all employ
> > > > highly-paid lobbyists making regulation and oversight difficult for
> > the FCC
> > > > to pursue.
> > > >
> > > > DXing from my neighborhood has become so bad that I'm seriously
> > > > considering portable operation using SDR's to record TOH's in
> > radio-quiet
> > > > locations as the only viable means of continuing in the hobby. RFI
> > comes
> > > > from every house, including my own despite intensive efforts to reduce
> > or
> > > > eliminate it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > 73,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Les Rayburn, N1LF
> > > > Maylene, AL
> > > > EM63
> > > >
> > > > Member WTFDA, NRC, IRCA, & Medium Wave DX Circle
> > > > Former CPC Chairman for NRC/IRCA
> > > >
> > > > == FM DX
> > > >
> > > > Sony XDR-F1HD, Sangean HDT-1, Elad FDM-S2, AirSpy.
> > > > Denon TU-1500RD w/Ray Dees RDS Decoder,
> > > > FM6 Antenna with CM Mast Pre-Amp, RG-11.
> > > >
> > > > "Nothing but blues and Elvis and somebody else's
> > > > favorite song..."
> > > >
> > > > AM DX
> > > > Elad FDM-S2, Wellbrook ALA1530+ Loop, Clifton Labs Active
> > > > Whip, Superloop. Quantum Phaser, Kiwa Loop, Palstar MW Pre-Selector
> > > >
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Re: [IRCA] AM Broadcasters affected by RFI Issues

[Walter Salmaniw]

Sigh!  Your point is well taken, Patrick.  I suppose the odds are better
than us urban folks.  73,  Walt

On Wednesday, December 30, 2015, Patrick Martin  wrote:

> Walt,
>
> Just because a person lives in a rural area doesn't mean the location is
> noise free. Like here on the Northern Oregon Coast, I never used to have
> noise, but i do now. I am hoping a Ham operator moving in this coming
> Spring, that monitors 500 khz, we can find where it is coming from.  I have
> a friend who lives in rural Coos County that cannot listen to the AM band
> in most areas he drives. Happy New Year to all.
>
> Patrick Martin
> Seaside OR
> KGED QSL Manager
>
> > From: can...@gmail.com 
> > Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 05:17:19 +0000
> > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com 
> > Subject: Re: [IRCA] AM Broadcasters affected by RFI Issues
> >
> > Les, I think that most of us have considered the same option of salvaging
> > what's left of the hobby.  DXing from home for most of us is a lost
> cause..
> > Remote DXing may very well be the wave of the future, or for those of us
> > lucky enough to own rural properties, another option.  I treasure my
> times
> > at my cottage on Haida Gwaii, off the NW coast of British Columbia.
> Happy
> > New Year to all!   Walt Salmaniw
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 9:08 PM, Les Rayburn  > wrote:
> >
> > > From Radio World.
> > >
> > > AM Broadcasters affected by RFI issues: AFCCE Symposium Examines AM
> > > Broadcast Band Woes <
> > >
> http://www.radioworld.com/article/afcce-symposium-examines-am-broadcast-band-woes/273098
> >
> > > . AM broadcasters are calling upon the FCC to help reduce man-made RFI,
> > > which is negatively impacting their businesses.
> > >
> > > Pressure like this can only help. But the reality is that electronics
> > > manufacturers, power companies, and similar industries all employ
> > > highly-paid lobbyists making regulation and oversight difficult for
> the FCC
> > > to pursue.
> > >
> > > DXing from my neighborhood has become so bad that I'm seriously
> > > considering portable operation using SDR's to record TOH's in
> radio-quiet
> > > locations as the only viable means of continuing in the hobby. RFI
> comes
> > > from every house, including my own despite intensive efforts to reduce
> or
> > > eliminate it.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > 73,
> > >
> > >
> > > Les Rayburn, N1LF
> > > Maylene, AL
> > > EM63
> > >
> > > Member WTFDA, NRC, IRCA, & Medium Wave DX Circle
> > > Former CPC Chairman for NRC/IRCA
> > >
> > > == FM DX
> > >
> > > Sony XDR-F1HD, Sangean HDT-1, Elad FDM-S2, AirSpy.
> > > Denon TU-1500RD w/Ray Dees RDS Decoder,
> > > FM6 Antenna with CM Mast Pre-Amp, RG-11.
> > >
> > > "Nothing but blues and Elvis and somebody else's
> > > favorite song..."
> > >
> > > AM DX
> > > Elad FDM-S2, Wellbrook ALA1530+ Loop, Clifton Labs Active
> > > Whip, Superloop. Quantum Phaser, Kiwa Loop, Palstar MW Pre-Selector
> > >
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Re: [IRCA] AM Broadcasters affected by RFI Issues

[Patrick Martin]

Walt,

Just because a person lives in a rural area doesn't mean the location is noise 
free. Like here on the Northern Oregon Coast, I never used to have noise, but i 
do now. I am hoping a Ham operator moving in this coming Spring, that monitors 
500 khz, we can find where it is coming from.  I have a friend who lives in 
rural Coos County that cannot listen to the AM band in most areas he drives. 
Happy New Year to all.

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
KGED QSL Manager

> From: can...@gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 05:17:19 +
> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] AM Broadcasters affected by RFI Issues
> 
> Les, I think that most of us have considered the same option of salvaging
> what's left of the hobby.  DXing from home for most of us is a lost cause..
> Remote DXing may very well be the wave of the future, or for those of us
> lucky enough to own rural properties, another option.  I treasure my times
> at my cottage on Haida Gwaii, off the NW coast of British Columbia.  Happy
> New Year to all!   Walt Salmaniw
> 
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 9:08 PM, Les Rayburn  wrote:
> 
> > From Radio World.
> >
> > AM Broadcasters affected by RFI issues: AFCCE Symposium Examines AM
> > Broadcast Band Woes <
> > http://www.radioworld.com/article/afcce-symposium-examines-am-broadcast-band-woes/273098>
> > . AM broadcasters are calling upon the FCC to help reduce man-made RFI,
> > which is negatively impacting their businesses.
> >
> > Pressure like this can only help. But the reality is that electronics
> > manufacturers, power companies, and similar industries all employ
> > highly-paid lobbyists making regulation and oversight difficult for the FCC
> > to pursue.
> >
> > DXing from my neighborhood has become so bad that I'm seriously
> > considering portable operation using SDR's to record TOH's in radio-quiet
> > locations as the only viable means of continuing in the hobby. RFI comes
> > from every house, including my own despite intensive efforts to reduce or
> > eliminate it.
> >
> >
> > --
> > 73,
> >
> >
> > Les Rayburn, N1LF
> > Maylene, AL
> > EM63
> >
> > Member WTFDA, NRC, IRCA, & Medium Wave DX Circle
> > Former CPC Chairman for NRC/IRCA
> >
> > == FM DX
> >
> > Sony XDR-F1HD, Sangean HDT-1, Elad FDM-S2, AirSpy.
> > Denon TU-1500RD w/Ray Dees RDS Decoder,
> > FM6 Antenna with CM Mast Pre-Amp, RG-11.
> >
> > "Nothing but blues and Elvis and somebody else's
> > favorite song..."
> >
> > AM DX
> > Elad FDM-S2, Wellbrook ALA1530+ Loop, Clifton Labs Active
> > Whip, Superloop. Quantum Phaser, Kiwa Loop, Palstar MW Pre-Selector
> >
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Re: [IRCA] AM Broadcasters affected by RFI Issues

[Walter Salmaniw]

Les, I think that most of us have considered the same option of salvaging
what's left of the hobby.  DXing from home for most of us is a lost cause.
Remote DXing may very well be the wave of the future, or for those of us
lucky enough to own rural properties, another option.  I treasure my times
at my cottage on Haida Gwaii, off the NW coast of British Columbia.  Happy
New Year to all!   Walt Salmaniw

On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 9:08 PM, Les Rayburn  wrote:

> From Radio World.
>
> AM Broadcasters affected by RFI issues: AFCCE Symposium Examines AM
> Broadcast Band Woes <
> http://www.radioworld.com/article/afcce-symposium-examines-am-broadcast-band-woes/273098>
> . AM broadcasters are calling upon the FCC to help reduce man-made RFI,
> which is negatively impacting their businesses.
>
> Pressure like this can only help. But the reality is that electronics
> manufacturers, power companies, and similar industries all employ
> highly-paid lobbyists making regulation and oversight difficult for the FCC
> to pursue.
>
> DXing from my neighborhood has become so bad that I'm seriously
> considering portable operation using SDR's to record TOH's in radio-quiet
> locations as the only viable means of continuing in the hobby. RFI comes
> from every house, including my own despite intensive efforts to reduce or
> eliminate it.
>
>
> --
> 73,
>
>
> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> Maylene, AL
> EM63
>
> Member WTFDA, NRC, IRCA, & Medium Wave DX Circle
> Former CPC Chairman for NRC/IRCA
>
> == FM DX
>
> Sony XDR-F1HD, Sangean HDT-1, Elad FDM-S2, AirSpy.
> Denon TU-1500RD w/Ray Dees RDS Decoder,
> FM6 Antenna with CM Mast Pre-Amp, RG-11.
>
> "Nothing but blues and Elvis and somebody else's
> favorite song..."
>
> AM DX
> Elad FDM-S2, Wellbrook ALA1530+ Loop, Clifton Labs Active
> Whip, Superloop. Quantum Phaser, Kiwa Loop, Palstar MW Pre-Selector
>
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Re: [IRCA] AM Broadcasters affected by RFI Issues

[coffee_canuck]

On the bright side, as energy becomes increasingly scarce we will need to stop 
wasting it in poorly designed wall warts and power supplies - energy radiated 
as broadband RFI is energy lost forever that could have been used in an energy 
smart product.

Colin Newell - CoffeeCrew.com - VA7WWV - Victoria - BC

> On Dec 30, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Les Rayburn  wrote:
> 
> From Radio World.
> 
> AM Broadcasters affected by RFI issues: AFCCE Symposium Examines AM Broadcast 
> Band Woes 
> 
>  . AM broadcasters are calling upon the FCC to help reduce man-made RFI, 
> which is negatively impacting their businesses.
> 
> Pressure like this can only help. But the reality is that electronics 
> manufacturers, power companies, and similar industries all employ highly-paid 
> lobbyists making regulation and oversight difficult for the FCC to pursue.
> 
> DXing from my neighborhood has become so bad that I'm seriously considering 
> portable operation using SDR's to record TOH's in radio-quiet locations as 
> the only viable means of continuing in the hobby. RFI comes from every house, 
> including my own despite intensive efforts to reduce or eliminate it.
> 
> 
> -- 
> 73,
> 
> 
> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> Maylene, AL
> EM63
> 
> Member WTFDA, NRC, IRCA, & Medium Wave DX Circle
> Former CPC Chairman for NRC/IRCA
> 
> == FM DX
> 
> Sony XDR-F1HD, Sangean HDT-1, Elad FDM-S2, AirSpy.
> Denon TU-1500RD w/Ray Dees RDS Decoder,
> FM6 Antenna with CM Mast Pre-Amp, RG-11.
> 
> "Nothing but blues and Elvis and somebody else's
> favorite song..."
> 
> AM DX
> Elad FDM-S2, Wellbrook ALA1530+ Loop, Clifton Labs Active
> Whip, Superloop. Quantum Phaser, Kiwa Loop, Palstar MW Pre-Selector
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[IRCA] AM Broadcasters affected by RFI Issues

[Les Rayburn]

From Radio World.

AM Broadcasters affected by RFI issues: AFCCE Symposium Examines AM 
Broadcast Band Woes 
 
. AM broadcasters are calling upon the FCC to help reduce man-made RFI, 
which is negatively impacting their businesses.


Pressure like this can only help. But the reality is that electronics 
manufacturers, power companies, and similar industries all employ 
highly-paid lobbyists making regulation and oversight difficult for the 
FCC to pursue.


DXing from my neighborhood has become so bad that I'm seriously 
considering portable operation using SDR's to record TOH's in 
radio-quiet locations as the only viable means of continuing in the 
hobby. RFI comes from every house, including my own despite intensive 
efforts to reduce or eliminate it.



--
73,


Les Rayburn, N1LF
Maylene, AL
EM63

Member WTFDA, NRC, IRCA, & Medium Wave DX Circle
Former CPC Chairman for NRC/IRCA

== FM DX

Sony XDR-F1HD, Sangean HDT-1, Elad FDM-S2, AirSpy.
Denon TU-1500RD w/Ray Dees RDS Decoder,
FM6 Antenna with CM Mast Pre-Amp, RG-11.

"Nothing but blues and Elvis and somebody else's
favorite song..."

AM DX
Elad FDM-S2, Wellbrook ALA1530+ Loop, Clifton Labs Active
Whip, Superloop. Quantum Phaser, Kiwa Loop, Palstar MW Pre-Selector

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