Re: [IRCA] Long ago KNBA Vallejo.

2007-04-08 Thread David Faulkner
To put in my two cents on the s/on's, s/off's, I recall somebody reporting
to EDXR, WARR, 1520, when it first came on, with, I think, 500 watts.  Its
s/off declared that the staff had listened to other stations and found only
pale imitations of WARR.  At that point the stn may have been a week old!

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Somewhere on tape, I have a recording of that great KNBA sign-off 
introducing KEX. Another one of my favorites was on the 1600 in Yuba City, 
CA, explaining that the FCC required them to shut down at sunset, and done 
in a way that seemed to say, If we could get away with it, this carrier 
would stay on!
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Back in the early 70's I would listen to KNBA-1190 a 250 watt daytime only 
station in Vallejo, CA  In the winter the horse race recreations would come 
on right before the station would sign off.  At the end of the KNBA's 
sign-off announcement the announcer would say Stay tuned for KEX.  as soon

as KNBA killed their carrier, KEX would be in as strong as ever. Just 
checked my old log book and under 1190 I only have KEX, no KNBA.  Sad that I

did not record them in the log book.  Someone told me that KNBA make 90% of 
their money on Sundays when they sold air-time to SF Bay Area ministers. 
The good old days of radio.

Dennis,
Vancouver, WA
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Re: [IRCA] Long ago KNBA Vallejo.

2007-04-05 Thread Pete Taylor
Pat Martin wrote:

 Radio Disney's station in Portland on 1640 had
 a app for 10 KW day and night, but directional. The FCC dismissed  
 it, so
 they stay at 10/1 KW ND.

I think it has now been approved. Lucky you.

Pete Taylor
Tacoma, WA
12225w 4719n
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Re: [IRCA] Long ago KNBA Vallejo.

2007-04-05 Thread Paul B. Walker, Jr.
KDZR Lake Oswego is only licensed for 10KW Day/1KW Night with no
applications or CP's currently on file.

Paul




On 4/5/07, Pete Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Pat Martin wrote:

  Radio Disney's station in Portland on 1640 had
  a app for 10 KW day and night, but directional. The FCC dismissed
  it, so
  they stay at 10/1 KW ND.

 I think it has now been approved. Lucky you.

 Pete Taylor
 Tacoma, WA
 12225w 4719n
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 DX398; Palomar loop
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Re: [IRCA] Long ago KNBA Vallejo.

2007-04-05 Thread Craig Healy
 Radio Disney also covers several time zones...

Certainly the programming does, and there are always the kids who are up
late for one reason or another.  But, when the question was asked, the
answer was that it was more reliable to keep the local affiliate on 24/7
than to sign off and then on.  Makes sense.  The most reliable stations in
my client list are the 1kw locals that don't change power or pattern, nor
sign off.

Craig Healy
Providence, RI

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Re: [IRCA] Long ago KNBA Vallejo.

2007-04-05 Thread Rick Lewis
Somewhere on tape, I have a recording of that great KNBA sign-off 
introducing KEX. Another one of my favorites was on the 1600 in Yuba City, 
CA, explaining that the FCC required them to shut down at sunset, and done 
in a way that seemed to say, If we could get away with it, this carrier 
would stay on!
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Back in the early 70's I would listen to KNBA-1190 a 250 watt daytime only 
station in Vallejo, CA  In the winter the horse race recreations would come 
on right before the station would sign off.  At the end of the KNBA's 
sign-off announcement the announcer would say Stay tuned for KEX.  as soon 
as KNBA killed their carrier, KEX would be in as strong as ever. Just 
checked my old log book and under 1190 I only have KEX, no KNBA.  Sad that I 
did not record them in the log book.  Someone told me that KNBA make 90% of 
their money on Sundays when they sold air-time to SF Bay Area ministers. 
The good old days of radio.

Dennis,
Vancouver, WA
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[IRCA] Long ago KNBA Vallejo.

2007-04-04 Thread vroomski

Back in the early 70's I would listen to KNBA-1190 a 250 watt daytime only 
station in Vallejo, CA  In the winter the horse race recreations would come on 
right before the station would sign off.  At the end of the KNBA's sign-off 
announcement the announcer would say Stay tuned for KEX.  as soon as KNBA 
killed their carrier, KEX would be in as strong as ever. Just checked my old 
log book and under 1190 I only have KEX, no KNBA.  Sad that I did not record 
them in the log book.  Someone told me that KNBA make 90% of their money on 
Sundays when they sold air-time to SF Bay Area ministers.  The good old days of 
radio.  

Dennis,
Vancouver, WA
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[IRCA] Long ago KNBA Vallejo.

2007-04-04 Thread Marc DeLorenzo
Very interesting, Dennis.I heard the same type of thing on 1030 kHz  in 
Georgia in the late 80's.  I was sitting in my car listening to the sign-off 
announcement of WNOW-1030 in Mint Hill (Charlotte), NC.At the end of the 
announcement, the guy said Now stay right here on 1030 for the great sound of 
WBZ Boston.  As soon as WNOW cut its carrier, WBZ came in right on cue!  

Marc DeLorenzo
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 Back in the early 70's I would listen to KNBA-1190 a 250 watt daytime only 
 station in Vallejo, CA  In the winter the horse race recreations would come 
 on 
 right before the station would sign off.  At the end of the KNBA's sign-off 
 announcement the announcer would say Stay tuned for KEX.  as soon as KNBA 
 killed their carrier, KEX would be in as strong as ever.
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Re: [IRCA] Long ago KNBA Vallejo.

2007-04-04 Thread Patrick Martin
Dennis,

Your local on 1550 Vancouver has an interesting history. They operated
from an old house in North Portland as a 1 KW daytimer. They were Top 40
rock and in the late 60s opened up studios across the street from KISN
at 10th and West Burnside in downtown Portland.  Of course to compete,
they really did not have a prayer being a 1 KW daytimer and KISN 910 was
5 KW 24/7, but they tried. The old 10th and Burnside location was called
The KISN Corner . The 1550 KGAR along with KISN would pull all sorts
of contests and stunts from in front of the studios. I still have quite
a few charts from the stations from the 60s/70s somewhere. Then came KGW
on the scene that really did compete with KISN. Ah, the good ol' days.
As I said, radio was fun. Portland had KXL-750, KPDQ-800, KKEY-1150,
KLIQ-1290, KUIK-1360, KPAM-1410, KVAN-1480, KGAR-1550, and KOHI-1600, as
daytimers.  

73,

Patrick

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[IRCA] Long ago KNBA Vallejo.

2007-04-04 Thread vroomski
Marc,

Actually it was a clever idea for the small daytime only station.  KNBA's 
audience might listen to KEX at night and in the morning when they turn on 
their radios KNBA would be there.  KEX really puts a nice signal into the San 
Francisco area.  Guys like me though would tune to XERB-1090 and listen for the 
race results from Southern California.  Then tune back to XERB for Wolfman Jack 
at 10:00 P.M.. Miss those days.

Dennis,
Vancouver, WA
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Re: [IRCA] Long ago KNBA Vallejo.

2007-04-04 Thread nhp
Quoting Marc DeLorenzo [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Very interesting, Dennis.I heard the same type of thing on 1030 kHz  in
 Georgia in the late 80's.  I was sitting in my car listening to the sign-off
 announcement of WNOW-1030 in Mint Hill (Charlotte), NC.At the end of the
 announcement, the guy said Now stay right here on 1030 for the great sound
 of WBZ Boston.  As soon as WNOW cut its carrier, WBZ came in right on cue! 

My father, who was in the advertising business in the 50s and 60s, knew a 
number of radio station personnel.   The reason he was given for stations going 
24 hours even though they had few listeners at 3 AM is, that it was found that 
if a listener was ever up late at night, and couldn't find their normal station 
on the air, they'd tune somewhere else, and leave the radio on that channel for 
good.

I guess a variant of that would be trying to make sure your listeners stayed on 
your channel after your sign off, enjoying the station that was there, which 
meant the radio would still be tuned to your frequency when you signed on the 
next day.


Nick



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Re: [IRCA] Long ago KNBA Vallejo.

2007-04-04 Thread Marty Rimpau
Hi all, I remember a friend of mine telling me about that sign off of k
n b a, but I never actually heard it, possibly because it happened in
the early seventies when I was living in orange county, and later, in
1972, in the San Joaquin valley.  When did they go 1000 watts?  I liked
them in 1976 when they were a top 40 station that didn't scream at you
like the big guys did in San Francisco, something I also liked about
kgbs in Los Angeles, when they were around at 1020 in the early
seventies.  
On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 13:38:20 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Back in the early 70's I would listen to KNBA-1190 a 250 watt daytime
only station in Vallejo, CA  In the winter the horse race recreations
would come on right before the station would sign off.  At the end of
the KNBA's sign-off announcement the announcer would say Stay tuned
for KEX.  as soon as KNBA killed their carrier, KEX would be in as
strong as ever. Just checked my old log book and under 1190 I only have
KEX, no KNBA.  Sad that I did not record them in the log book.  Someone
told me that KNBA make 90% of their money on Sundays when they sold
air-time to SF Bay Area ministers.  The good old days of radio.  

Dennis,
Vancouver, WA
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Re: [IRCA] Long ago KNBA Vallejo.

2007-04-04 Thread Craig Healy
 My father, who was in the advertising business in the 50s and 60s, knew a
 number of radio station personnel.   The reason he was given for stations
going
 24 hours even though they had few listeners at 3 AM is, that it was found
that
 if a listener was ever up late at night, and couldn't find their normal
station
 on the air, they'd tune somewhere else, and leave the radio on that
channel for
 good.

That question is often asked of Radio Disney.  The answer from them is that
it's about reliability.  A ststion is easier to keep on the air than to shut
off and back on every day.

Craig Healy
Providence, RI

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Re: [IRCA] Long ago KNBA Vallejo.

2007-04-04 Thread amdxmail
In the mid-1960's, when FM was struggling, local WIVK-850 Knoxville would sign 
off at sunset with For those of you with only half a radio, this concludes 
your broadcast day of WIVK.  For those of you with a whole radio, you're 
invited to stay with us for continued good listening tonight on 107.7 FM.
 
Daytimer sign-offs used to be lavish productions, with a religious message (Be 
Still and Know and Day by Day with Jesus were two of the more common ones), 
flowery comments (If we have in some way enriched your day ...), FM plugs 
(For the best in news, weather and music until 10:00 this evening, we invite 
you to tune to [FM frequency], and the Star-Spangled Banner or Dixie.  
 
Today, it seems automation equipment just ends the programming in progress and 
cuts the carrier (sometimes).
 
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Re: [IRCA] Long ago KNBA Vallejo.

2007-04-04 Thread Paul B. Walker, Jr.
I sign off by doing a legal id, playing the station theme song, a 2 mintue
announcement of who we are, who owns us, how/where we operate, how to
contact us.. and the national anthem.. each and every night

Paul



On 4/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In the mid-1960's, when FM was struggling, local WIVK-850 Knoxville would
 sign off at sunset with For those of you with only half a radio, this
 concludes your broadcast day of WIVK.  For those of you with a whole radio,
 you're invited to stay with us for continued good listening tonight on
 107.7 FM.

 Daytimer sign-offs used to be lavish productions, with a religious message
 (Be Still and Know and Day by Day with Jesus were two of the more common
 ones), flowery comments (If we have in some way enriched your day ...), FM
 plugs (For the best in news, weather and music until 10:00 this evening, we
 invite you to tune to [FM frequency], and the Star-Spangled Banner or
 Dixie.

 Today, it seems automation equipment just ends the programming in progress
 and cuts the carrier (sometimes).

 Steve Francis
 Alcoa, Tennessee


 
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Re: [IRCA] Long ago KNBA Vallejo.

2007-04-04 Thread The Kaskey Family
Yeah Dennis, I remember those horse race recreations very well.  Used to check 
them daily to see how much money I'd lost that day :-)..I remember them as 
KGYW (I think) back around 1960.  Before local KRAK-1140 became a 24 hr. cw 
station (one of the very first in California) I'd search all over looking for 
some yee haw music  found a 30 minute morning program on KGYW.  Barely made it 
to Sacramento on the cheap tablemodle I was using at the time.  Yep, the good 
old days of radio.

Don K.
S.F. CA



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 Back in the early 70's I would listen to KNBA-1190 a 250 watt daytime only 
 station in Vallejo, CA  In the winter the horse race recreations would come 
 on right before the station would sign off.  At the end of the KNBA's 
 sign-off announcement the announcer would say Stay tuned for KEX.  as soon 
 as KNBA killed their carrier, KEX would be in as strong as ever. Just checked 
 my old log book and under 1190 I only have KEX, no KNBA.  Sad that I did not 
 record them in the log book.  Someone told me that KNBA make 90% of their 
 money on Sundays when they sold air-time to SF Bay Area ministers.  The good 
 old days of radio.

 Dennis,
 Vancouver, WA
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Re: [IRCA] Long ago KNBA Vallejo.

2007-04-04 Thread vroomski

Paul, 

It would be nice if more stations did your style sign-off.  The 24/7 stations 
could a 2 minute recording and run at midnight.

Dennis,
Vancouver, WA
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 I sign off by doing a legal id, playing the station theme song, a 2 mintue 
 announcement of who we are, who owns us, how/where we operate, how to 
 contact us.. and the national anthem.. each and every night 
 
 Paul 
 
 
 
 On 4/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  
  In the mid-1960's, when FM was struggling, local WIVK-850 Knoxville would 
  sign off at sunset with For those of you with only half a radio, this 
  concludes your broadcast day of WIVK. For those of you with a whole radio, 
  you're invited to stay with us for continued good listening tonight on 
  107.7 FM. 
  
  Daytimer sign-offs used to be lavish productions, with a religious message 
  (Be Still and Know and Day by Day with Jesus were two of the more 
  common 
  ones), flowery comments (If we have in some way enriched your day ...), 
  FM 
  plugs (For the best in news, weather and music until 10:00 this evening, 
  we 
  invite you to tune to [FM frequency], and the Star-Spangled Banner or 
  Dixie. 
  
  Today, it seems automation equipment just ends the programming in progress 
  and cuts the carrier (sometimes). 
  
  Steve Francis 
  Alcoa, Tennessee 
  
  
   
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Re: [IRCA] Long ago KNBA Vallejo.

2007-04-04 Thread vroomski


Pat  Bill,

Thanks for sharing the information about local Portland area stations  When I 
first moved up here I found a web-site that showed the KGA tower being toppled. 
 The site explained the extensive copper ground system and how hard it was to  
pulled up all the copper that was used.  The former site was by the Expo center 
and right off of I-5 next to Portland speed way. It is now a wildlife area for 
birds.  If I remember right KGA also put a decent signal into the Bay Area.

Dennis,
Vancouver, WA

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 Dennis, 
 
 Your local on 1550 Vancouver has an interesting history. They operated 
 from an old house in North Portland as a 1 KW daytimer. They were Top 40 
 rock and in the late 60s opened up studios across the street from KISN 
 at 10th and West Burnside in downtown Portland. Of course to compete, 
 they really did not have a prayer being a 1 KW daytimer and KISN 910 was 
 5 KW 24/7, but they tried. The old 10th and Burnside location was called 
 The KISN Corner . The 1550 KGAR along with KISN would pull all sorts 
 of contests and stunts from in front of the studios. I still have quite 
 a few charts from the stations from the 60s/70s somewhere. Then came KGW 
 on the scene that really did compete with KISN. Ah , the good ol' days. 
 As I said, radio was fun. Portland had KXL-750, KPDQ-800, KKEY-1150, 
 KLIQ-1290, KUIK-1360, KPAM-1410, KVAN-1480, KGAR-1550, and KOHI-1600, as 
 daytimers. 
 
 73, 
 
 Patrick 
 
 Patrick Martin 
 KAVT Reception Manager 
 
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Re: [IRCA] Long ago KNBA Vallejo.

2007-04-04 Thread Patrick Martin
Dennis,

Portland has quite a colorful history in radio. KVAN 1480 Vancouver was
another. That is a totally different story. hi. Busted by the FCC more
than about any station in history. Once they were operating in a tralier
and moved constantly to stay ahead of the FCC. Much like a pirate
station. Finally they lit at the North Portland Road location (where the
towers are now) with a untuned longwire antenna. You can imagine the
poor coverage the station had. I went out there with Bill Block in 1970
to get a QSL. I got one and the letterhead says Owned and operated by
Catheran C.  Murphy  She was quite the gal too. They could write a book
alone on the KVAN 1480 history.

73,

Patrick 

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Re: [IRCA] Long ago KNBA Vallejo.

2007-04-04 Thread Patrick Martin
KSWB used to sign off in the 60s/70s with What Now My Love by the
Brothers Four, as they owned the station.

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] Long ago KNBA Vallejo.

2007-04-04 Thread The Kaskey Family


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Dennis,

KGA used to be a solid regular nightly pre KPIGs nighttime operation.  Now on 
my Drake R-8A I can get either depending on how I rotate my Kiwa antenna.  On 
the car radio at night KGA often disturbs KPIG severely, at least in western 
San Francisco.

Don


 ,

 If I remember right KGA also put a decent signal into the Bay Area.

 Dennis,
 Vancouver, WA


 
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Re: [IRCA] Long ago KNBA Vallejo.

2007-04-04 Thread Bill Block

Pat
 
Who signed the verie?
 
Bill Block
Prescott Valley, AZ
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:01:43 -0700 To: 
 irca@hard-core-dx.com Subject: Re: [IRCA] Long ago KNBA Vallejo.  Dennis, 
  Portland has quite a colorful history in radio. KVAN 1480 Vancouver was 
 another. That is a totally different story. hi. Busted by the FCC more than 
 about any station in history. Once they were operating in a tralier and 
 moved constantly to stay ahead of the FCC. Much like a pirate station. 
 Finally they lit at the North Portland Road location (where the towers are 
 now) with a untuned longwire antenna. You can imagine the poor coverage the 
 station had. I went out there with Bill Block in 1970 to get a QSL. I got 
 one and the letterhead says Owned and operated by Catheran C. Murphy She 
 was quite the gal too. They could write a book alone on the KVAN 1480 
 history.  73,  Patrick   Patrick Martin KAVT Reception Manager  
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Re: [IRCA] Long ago KNBA Vallejo.

2007-04-04 Thread bportzer
KXA Seattle did something like this in the early 70s.  At the time, they were a 
daytimer on 770 and played mostly classical music.  Their nightly sign-off 
would invite listeners to tune in KCRL 780 in Reno for more classical music 
throughout the night.  KCRL obviously wasn't quite on the same channel, but it 
boomed into Seattle at night.  I think the idea was to keep listeners close to 
KXA's frequency until they signon on the next morning.  At the time, Seattle 
had several classical stations on FM, so KXA's management probably didn't want 
listeners wandering too far afield at night.  I wonder if KCRL's staff even 
knew about KXA's endorsement.

Bruce


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From: Marty Rimpau [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 13:38:20 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 Back in the early 70's I would listen to KNBA-1190 a 250 watt daytime
 only station in Vallejo, CA  In the winter the horse race recreations
 would come on right before the station would sign off.  At the end of
 the KNBA's sign-off announcement the announcer would say Stay tuned
 for KEX.  as soon as KNBA killed their carrier, KEX would be in as
 strong as ever. Just checked my old log book and under 1190 I only have
 KEX, no KNBA.  Sad that I did not record them in the log book.  Someone
 told me that KNBA make 90% of their money on Sundays when they sold
 air-time to SF Bay Area ministers.  The good old days of radio.  
 
 Dennis,
 Vancouver, WA
 
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Re: [IRCA] Long ago KNBA Vallejo.

2007-04-04 Thread bportzer
Radio Disney also covers several time zones.  At 10 pm in Honolulu it's 3 am in 
New York, and when it's 3 am in Seattle it's 6 am in New York.  Even when it's 
the middle of the night in one city , it's either bedtime or earlier, or time 
to wake the kiddies somewhere else in Radio Disney-land.  So the programming 
would continue 24/7, providing little advantage to shutting off any local 
transmitters at night (other than saving a few bucks on the transmitter's power 
bill).

Bruce


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  My father, who was in the advertising business in the 50s and 60s, knew a
  number of radio station personnel.   The reason he was given for stations
 going
  24 hours even though they had few listeners at 3 AM is, that it was found
 that
  if a listener was ever up late at night, and couldn't find their normal
 station
  on the air, they'd tune somewhere else, and leave the radio on that
 channel for
  good.
 
 That question is often asked of Radio Disney.  The answer from them is that
 it's about reliability.  A ststion is easier to keep on the air than to shut
 off and back on every day.
 
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 Providence, RI
 
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Re: [IRCA] Long ago KNBA Vallejo.

2007-04-04 Thread Patrick Martin
Bill,

Bob Kile who went on to KGON as Bob (something else). I remember the day
we were there. That was 37 years ago would you believe. I was all of 21. 

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] Long ago KNBA Vallejo.

2007-04-04 Thread Patrick Martin
Bruce,

I had totally forgotten about the message in KXA's s/off. Yes, I believe
KLSN 96.5 was classical, KUOW, KING FM (Still Classical). Many of the
Puget Sound FMs boom into the coast. A lot of the FMs towers then were
on Cougar Mountain. Quite a few still are. I remember stopping in to
KXRX 96.5 years later and talking to Pat ODay (KJR fame). He told me
that sure, the Cougar Mt stations came into the coast well. He Knew
that, but where we really need the signal for selling time downtown, the
signal was shadowed and created problems.

73,

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] Long ago KNBA Vallejo.

2007-04-04 Thread Patrick Martin
Mentioning Radio Disney, Radio Disney's station in Portland on 1640 had
a app for 10 KW day and night, but directional. The FCC dismissed it, so
they stay at 10/1 KW ND.

73,

Patrick

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