Re: [IRCA] Low Priority West Coast Question (KCBC-770) - Answered
I haven't bothered with AM for a while (thanks to noise and radio electric stuff that rears its ugly head on AM only), but this change gets KMRQ/96.7 into San Mateo now with an ugly (but DXably discernable) signal. New reception! Mike On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Mike Hardester dx4...@ec.rr.com wrote: Thank you to those who replied to my inquiry. It makes sense in a round-about way. Another West Coast mystery solved. Again, Thanks to y'all. 73 de Mike On 4/13/2010 11:11, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: Thanks for clarifying Scott, I didn't think of a COL hopscotch game being the situation here. Paul On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Scott Fybushsc...@fybush.com wrote: Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: I could be so way off.. maybe Scott Fybush wil lread this and correct me? He will, and he is :) KCBC's move was actually a side effect of a move on the FM band. The 96.7 station that had been licensed to Manteca (KMRQ, if memory serves) figured out that it could significantly improve its signal over Modesto if it moved its transmitter site. But moving its transmitter site meant it would no longer put a city-grade signal over Manteca, so it needed a new city of license. But 96.7 was also the only station licensed to Manteca, so it couldn't move without replacing that first local service in Manteca. That's where KCBC came in. With a bit of a power tweak, it could change city of license from Riverbank to Manteca, and Riverbank was a city of license that worked for 96.7's new transmitter site, so the swap was made, KCBC became Manteca and 96.7 became Riverbank. s ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Low Priority West Coast Question (KCBC-770) - Answered
Thank you to those who replied to my inquiry. It makes sense in a round-about way. Another West Coast mystery solved. Again, Thanks to y'all.73 de Mike On 4/13/2010 11:11, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: Thanks for clarifying Scott, I didn't think of a COL hopscotch game being the situation here. Paul On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Scott Fybushsc...@fybush.com wrote: Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: I could be so way off.. maybe Scott Fybush wil lread this and correct me? He will, and he is :) KCBC's move was actually a side effect of a move on the FM band. The 96.7 station that had been licensed to Manteca (KMRQ, if memory serves) figured out that it could significantly improve its signal over Modesto if it moved its transmitter site. But moving its transmitter site meant it would no longer put a city-grade signal over Manteca, so it needed a new city of license. But 96.7 was also the only station licensed to Manteca, so it couldn't move without replacing that first local service in Manteca. That's where KCBC came in. With a bit of a power tweak, it could change city of license from Riverbank to Manteca, and Riverbank was a city of license that worked for 96.7's new transmitter site, so the swap was made, KCBC became Manteca and 96.7 became Riverbank. s ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
[IRCA] Low Priority West Coast Question (KCBC-770)
Just noted the following in the latest SDXM (Vol. 47 #26): 770 KCBC Manteca, CA License to cover 50K/4.1K DA-2 Change city of License from Riverbank to Manteca (A) Mainly just curious as to why the City of License change. Does this place the station in a better market? Being born and raised in Modesto, and Riverbank just up the road a piece, Modesto and Stockton would seem to be the main market for the station. In Manteca, I would think that the Bay Area (San Francisco/Oakland) and Stockton (Modesto to a lesser degree) would be their market competition. Enlightenment for this oldster (still younger than Pat Martin and Don Kaskey, hi) would be welcome. Mike ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Low Priority West Coast Question (KCBC-770)
Mike, I wonder if it is some trick, to beable to boost power? Just a guess, but why change the city of license, unless they are looking for an upgrade. Maybe they could not get over the 1 KW nights licensed to Riverbank, but changing it gave them the 4.1 KW? They would love to have 50/50, if they could get it, I am sure. Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside Oregon Come visit us for the 2010 IRCA convention held Sept 24-26 at the Inn At Seaside. ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Low Priority West Coast Question (KCBC-770)
Thanks for the support Mike :-) . Right now I'm really feeling my age. Too many aches pains lately. As to Riverbank. They've always tried to include the Bay Area. I don't know whether they still ID this way but after they first came on it was KCBC San Francisco, Stockton, Modesto or something like that. S.F. being their first locale. Their signal was pretty solid in S.F. during most of the day hours, excepting the first couple the last couple. At night it's a different story. With Albuquerque Seattle playing havoc with their signal. Only the strongest bay area stations make it to Manteca fairly well. Stockton-Modesto market is growing like wild fire!?! Don K. Ole Wheezin Geezer to some! Mike Hardester wrote: Just noted the following in the latest SDXM (Vol. 47 #26): 770 KCBC Manteca, CA License to cover 50K/4.1K DA-2 Change city of License from Riverbank to Manteca (A) Mainly just curious as to why the City of License change. Does this place the station in a better market? Being born and raised in Modesto, and Riverbank just up the road a piece, Modesto and Stockton would seem to be the main market for the station. In Manteca, I would think that the Bay Area (San Francisco/Oakland) and Stockton (Modesto to a lesser degree) would be their market competition. Enlightenment for this oldster (still younger than Pat Martin and Don Kaskey, hi) would be welcome. Mike ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Low Priority West Coast Question (KCBC-770)
I'm just down the road from Don about 15 miles, and KCBC is pretty strong here. Their IBOC plays some serious hell with adjacents. I lived in Manteca for a few years, and regularly roamed anywhere in the Bay Area and San Joaquin Valley. Bay Area stations do cover Manteca very well in the daytime...AM much better than FM. At night, its hit or miss. I never listened to Art Bell on KSFO because they never came in very well at night. Clears and regionals were in strong, but graveyards were pretty much non-existant at night. I don't know about whether a Manteca COL would give them an in for a nighttime power increase, but geographically speaking, Riverbank isn't on a main road and isn't near as much in your mind as a place you run into on Highway 99. I wouldn't call Manteca a burgeoning metropolis, but more people know where it is than those who know where Riverbank is. Who knows, maybe the owners picked up a few foreclosures in the collapsed housing market. Manteca, Lathrop and Stockton are at the top of the list in northern California for foreclosures, drug busts and stolen cars. Mike On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Donald K. Kaskey kaskeyfam...@yahoo.comwrote: Thanks for the support Mike :-) . Right now I'm really feeling my age. Too many aches pains lately. As to Riverbank. They've always tried to include the Bay Area. I don't know whether they still ID this way but after they first came on it was KCBC San Francisco, Stockton, Modesto or something like that. S.F. being their first locale. Their signal was pretty solid in S.F. during most of the day hours, excepting the first couple the last couple. At night it's a different story. With Albuquerque Seattle playing havoc with their signal. Only the strongest bay area stations make it to Manteca fairly well. Stockton-Modesto market is growing like wild fire!?! Don K. Ole Wheezin Geezer to some! Mike Hardester wrote: Just noted the following in the latest SDXM (Vol. 47 #26): 770 KCBC Manteca, CA License to cover 50K/4.1K DA-2 Change city of License from Riverbank to Manteca (A) Mainly just curious as to why the City of License change. Does this place the station in a better market? Being born and raised in Modesto, and Riverbank just up the road a piece, Modesto and Stockton would seem to be the main market for the station. In Manteca, I would think that the Bay Area (San Francisco/Oakland) and Stockton (Modesto to a lesser degree) would be their market competition. Enlightenment for this oldster (still younger than Pat Martin and Don Kaskey, hi) would be welcome. Mike ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Low Priority West Coast Question (KCBC-770)
They increased night power from 1KW to 4100W without changing the number of antennas. Probably they wouldn't have been able to upgrade and still cover their City of License the day they needed to at night, as the FCC requires of a Class B so by changing their city of license, they have less to cover. That's the only thing I can figure Paul Walker www.onairdj.com www.facebook.com/onairdj On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 1:28 AM, Mike Hardester dx4...@ec.rr.com wrote: Just noted the following in the latest SDXM (Vol. 47 #26): 770 KCBC Manteca, CA License to cover 50K/4.1K DA-2 Change city of License from Riverbank to Manteca (A) Mainly just curious as to why the City of License change. Does this place the station in a better market? Being born and raised in Modesto, and Riverbank just up the road a piece, Modesto and Stockton would seem to be the main market for the station. In Manteca, I would think that the Bay Area (San Francisco/Oakland) and Stockton (Modesto to a lesser degree) would be their market competition. Enlightenment for this oldster (still younger than Pat Martin and Don Kaskey, hi) would be welcome. Mike ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Low Priority West Coast Question (KCBC-770)
Eh? Not sure I follow. Their signal handled their COL just fine. At night in Manteca, they owned the air as well. When they went off at night (11pm), KKOB was in very well, but not until KCBC went off. They were much stronger in their COL.I think they learned something from KTRB and are edging their way towards the Bay Area so they can try to take over some audience from KFAX (who does not get into the valley well at night). Mike On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 3:15 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. walkerbroadcast...@gmail.com wrote: They increased night power from 1KW to 4100W without changing the number of antennas. Probably they wouldn't have been able to upgrade and still cover their City of License the day they needed to at night, as the FCC requires of a Class B so by changing their city of license, they have less to cover. That's the only thing I can figure Paul Walker www.onairdj.com www.facebook.com/onairdj On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 1:28 AM, Mike Hardester dx4...@ec.rr.com wrote: Just noted the following in the latest SDXM (Vol. 47 #26): 770 KCBC Manteca, CA License to cover 50K/4.1K DA-2 Change city of License from Riverbank to Manteca (A) Mainly just curious as to why the City of License change. Does this place the station in a better market? Being born and raised in Modesto, and Riverbank just up the road a piece, Modesto and Stockton would seem to be the main market for the station. In Manteca, I would think that the Bay Area (San Francisco/Oakland) and Stockton (Modesto to a lesser degree) would be their market competition. Enlightenment for this oldster (still younger than Pat Martin and Don Kaskey, hi) would be welcome. Mike ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Low Priority West Coast Question (KCBC-770)
Thats what I get for typing too early in the morning. They changed their pattern slightly and maybe withferent pattern and power they couldn't effectively cover their COL with an 80 percent or more interference free signal because the town was too big land area wise, and Manteca's City limits are smaller, hence easier to cover, and the reaosn for the change. I could be so way off.. maybe Scott Fybush wil lread this and correct me? Paul On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 5:45 AM, Mike Hawkins michael.d.hawk...@gmail.comwrote: Eh? Not sure I follow. Their signal handled their COL just fine. At night in Manteca, they owned the air as well. When they went off at night (11pm), KKOB was in very well, but not until KCBC went off. They were much stronger in their COL.I think they learned something from KTRB and are edging their way towards the Bay Area so they can try to take over some audience from KFAX (who does not get into the valley well at night). Mike On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 3:15 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. walkerbroadcast...@gmail.com wrote: They increased night power from 1KW to 4100W without changing the number of antennas. Probably they wouldn't have been able to upgrade and still cover their City of License the day they needed to at night, as the FCC requires of a Class B so by changing their city of license, they have less to cover. That's the only thing I can figure Paul Walker www.onairdj.com www.facebook.com/onairdj On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 1:28 AM, Mike Hardester dx4...@ec.rr.com wrote: Just noted the following in the latest SDXM (Vol. 47 #26): 770 KCBC Manteca, CA License to cover 50K/4.1K DA-2 Change city of License from Riverbank to Manteca (A) Mainly just curious as to why the City of License change. Does this place the station in a better market? Being born and raised in Modesto, and Riverbank just up the road a piece, Modesto and Stockton would seem to be the main market for the station. In Manteca, I would think that the Bay Area (San Francisco/Oakland) and Stockton (Modesto to a lesser degree) would be their market competition. Enlightenment for this oldster (still younger than Pat Martin and Don Kaskey, hi) would be welcome. Mike ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Low Priority West Coast Question (KCBC-770)
Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: I could be so way off.. maybe Scott Fybush wil lread this and correct me? He will, and he is :) KCBC's move was actually a side effect of a move on the FM band. The 96.7 station that had been licensed to Manteca (KMRQ, if memory serves) figured out that it could significantly improve its signal over Modesto if it moved its transmitter site. But moving its transmitter site meant it would no longer put a city-grade signal over Manteca, so it needed a new city of license. But 96.7 was also the only station licensed to Manteca, so it couldn't move without replacing that first local service in Manteca. That's where KCBC came in. With a bit of a power tweak, it could change city of license from Riverbank to Manteca, and Riverbank was a city of license that worked for 96.7's new transmitter site, so the swap was made, KCBC became Manteca and 96.7 became Riverbank. s ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Low Priority West Coast Question (KCBC-770)
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Scott Fybush sc...@fybush.com wrote: Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: I could be so way off.. maybe Scott Fybush wil lread this and correct me? He will, and he is :) KCBC's move was actually a side effect of a move on the FM band. The 96.7 station that had been licensed to Manteca (KMRQ, if memory serves) figured out that it could significantly improve its signal over Modesto if it moved its transmitter site. But moving its transmitter site meant it would no longer put a city-grade signal over Manteca, so it needed a new city of license. But 96.7 was also the only station licensed to Manteca, so it couldn't move without replacing that first local service in Manteca. That's where KCBC came in. With a bit of a power tweak, it could change city of license from Riverbank to Manteca, and Riverbank was a city of license that worked for 96.7's new transmitter site, so the swap was made, KCBC became Manteca and 96.7 became Riverbank. s ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Low Priority West Coast Question (KCBC-770)
Thanks for clarifying Scott, I didn't think of a COL hopscotch game being the situation here. Paul On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Scott Fybush sc...@fybush.com wrote: Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: I could be so way off.. maybe Scott Fybush wil lread this and correct me? He will, and he is :) KCBC's move was actually a side effect of a move on the FM band. The 96.7 station that had been licensed to Manteca (KMRQ, if memory serves) figured out that it could significantly improve its signal over Modesto if it moved its transmitter site. But moving its transmitter site meant it would no longer put a city-grade signal over Manteca, so it needed a new city of license. But 96.7 was also the only station licensed to Manteca, so it couldn't move without replacing that first local service in Manteca. That's where KCBC came in. With a bit of a power tweak, it could change city of license from Riverbank to Manteca, and Riverbank was a city of license that worked for 96.7's new transmitter site, so the swap was made, KCBC became Manteca and 96.7 became Riverbank. s ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
