Re: [IRCA] Masset DXpedition loggings Jan 5 - 15th Part I-II

[Walter Salmaniw]

Nick, I was speaking from historical perspective.  I went back to see
whether I have any wav files for that period, and darned, no I do not.  I
just recorded the TOH and BOH.  So, I stand corrected, if NHK2 no longer
has IDs at this convenient time for us on the west coast of NAm.  73,...Walt

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Nick Hall-Patch <n...@ieee.org> wrote:

> Now that's interesting Walt.   I haven't heard IDs at 13:20UT on NHK2 for
> some time.   I thought they'd dropped it.   Do you have Masset recordings
> that say otherwise?   I would be happy to hear they had re-instated it.
>
> best wishes,
>
> Nick
>
>
> At 05:16 20-01-17, Walter Salmaniw wrote:
>
>> Bill, my experience is as follows:   NHK 2 network:  local IDs at 13:19
>> UTC
>> and at sign off, which of late has been at 15:40 UTC sign-off.  Now, not
>> all locations give IDs.  I've gone through the exercise of listening to
>> each frequency, and some just have dead air instead of an ID.  On
>> frequencies with multiple locations, it's fun to hear several stations ID.
>> The NHK 1 network IDs locally at 09:59.   I have less information about
>> that, as I'm usually sound asleep, and reception is usually not that great
>> into Masset, compared to the morning for the NHK 2 broadcasts.  73,   Walt
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 1:18 AM, Chris Kadlec <beagleb...@beaglebass.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > NHK gives local IDs between programs near the top of the hour (often 5
>> > minutes after the TOH) and gives them especially at sign-off in the
>> case of
>> > NHK 2. At the end of programming at 12:40 local time, they give the TOH
>> ID
>> > followed by the national anthem and music box.
>> >
>> > I believe there are two instances of TOH IDs shown in my radio project.
>> > NHK has perfectly synched stations, unlike others in the region, and you
>> > can hear multiple TOH IDs overlapping on some frequencies when they do
>> ID.
>> >
>> > -Chris Kadlec
>> > Seoul AM Radio Listening Guide
>> > http://www.beaglebass.com/dx/seoul/
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 20:07:14 -0500
>> >> From: Bill Whitacre <b...@his.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Masset DXpedition loggings Jan 5 - 15th Part I-II
>> >>
>> >> Hi Chris.  Does NHK give any ?local? IDs?
>> >>
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Re: [IRCA] Masset DXpedition loggings Jan 5 - 15th Part I-II

[Nick Hall-Patch]

Now that's interesting Walt.   I haven't heard IDs at 13:20UT on NHK2 
for some time.   I thought they'd dropped it.   Do you have Masset 
recordings that say otherwise?   I would be happy to hear they had 
re-instated it.


best wishes,

Nick


At 05:16 20-01-17, Walter Salmaniw wrote:

Bill, my experience is as follows:   NHK 2 network:  local IDs at 13:19 UTC
and at sign off, which of late has been at 15:40 UTC sign-off.  Now, not
all locations give IDs.  I've gone through the exercise of listening to
each frequency, and some just have dead air instead of an ID.  On
frequencies with multiple locations, it's fun to hear several stations ID.
The NHK 1 network IDs locally at 09:59.   I have less information about
that, as I'm usually sound asleep, and reception is usually not that great
into Masset, compared to the morning for the NHK 2 broadcasts.  73,   Walt

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 1:18 AM, Chris Kadlec <beagleb...@beaglebass.com>
wrote:

>
> NHK gives local IDs between programs near the top of the hour (often 5
> minutes after the TOH) and gives them especially at sign-off in the case of
> NHK 2. At the end of programming at 12:40 local time, they give the TOH ID
> followed by the national anthem and music box.
>
> I believe there are two instances of TOH IDs shown in my radio project.
> NHK has perfectly synched stations, unlike others in the region, and you
> can hear multiple TOH IDs overlapping on some frequencies when they do ID.
>
> -Chris Kadlec
> Seoul AM Radio Listening Guide
> http://www.beaglebass.com/dx/seoul/
>
>
>
> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 20:07:14 -0500
>> From: Bill Whitacre <b...@his.com>
>> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Masset DXpedition loggings Jan 5 - 15th Part I-II
>>
>> Hi Chris.  Does NHK give any ?local? IDs?
>>
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Re: [IRCA] Masset DXpedition loggings Jan 5 - 15th Part I-II

[Walter Salmaniw]

Bill, my experience is as follows:   NHK 2 network:  local IDs at 13:19 UTC
and at sign off, which of late has been at 15:40 UTC sign-off.  Now, not
all locations give IDs.  I've gone through the exercise of listening to
each frequency, and some just have dead air instead of an ID.  On
frequencies with multiple locations, it's fun to hear several stations ID.
The NHK 1 network IDs locally at 09:59.   I have less information about
that, as I'm usually sound asleep, and reception is usually not that great
into Masset, compared to the morning for the NHK 2 broadcasts.  73,   Walt

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 1:18 AM, Chris Kadlec <beagleb...@beaglebass.com>
wrote:

>
> NHK gives local IDs between programs near the top of the hour (often 5
> minutes after the TOH) and gives them especially at sign-off in the case of
> NHK 2. At the end of programming at 12:40 local time, they give the TOH ID
> followed by the national anthem and music box.
>
> I believe there are two instances of TOH IDs shown in my radio project.
> NHK has perfectly synched stations, unlike others in the region, and you
> can hear multiple TOH IDs overlapping on some frequencies when they do ID.
>
> -Chris Kadlec
> Seoul AM Radio Listening Guide
> http://www.beaglebass.com/dx/seoul/
>
>
>
> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 20:07:14 -0500
>> From: Bill Whitacre <b...@his.com>
>> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Masset DXpedition loggings Jan 5 - 15th Part I-II
>>
>> Hi Chris.  Does NHK give any ?local? IDs?
>>
>>
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Re: [IRCA] Masset DXpedition loggings Jan 5 - 15th Part I-II

[Chris Kadlec]

NHK gives local IDs between programs near the top of the hour (often 5 
minutes after the TOH) and gives them especially at sign-off in the case of 
NHK 2. At the end of programming at 12:40 local time, they give the TOH ID 
followed by the national anthem and music box.


I believe there are two instances of TOH IDs shown in my radio project. NHK 
has perfectly synched stations, unlike others in the region, and you can 
hear multiple TOH IDs overlapping on some frequencies when they do ID.


-Chris Kadlec
Seoul AM Radio Listening Guide
http://www.beaglebass.com/dx/seoul/




Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 20:07:14 -0500
From: Bill Whitacre <b...@his.com>
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Masset DXpedition loggings Jan 5 - 15th Part I-II

Hi Chris.  Does NHK give any ?local? IDs?



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Re: [IRCA] Masset DXpedition loggings Jan 5 - 15th Part I-II

[Chuck Hutton]

Bill:


Check the Japan section in the front of the PAL. Catching NHK2 local IDs is fun 
and productive and will amaze your friends and Mom.


Chuck



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Hi Chris.  Does NHK give any 'local' IDs?

-

> On Jan 19, 2017, at 6:22 PM, Chris Kadlec <beagleb...@beaglebass.com> wrote:
>
> Whoops. Thanks for the catch on that. I mentioned that exact same thing on 
> his 729 catch about NHK 2 being off the air by that hour but replied to this 
> one first where I hadn't paid attention to the times.
>
> NHK 2 turns off every night at 1545.
>
> -Chris Kadlec
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>> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 12:58:58 +0200
>> From: Mauno Ritola <mauno.rit...@realmonitor.com>
>> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Masset DXpedition loggings Jan 5 - 15th Part I-II
>> Message-ID: <3e1bb18d-08ff-7774-f6ae-3029afa84...@realmonitor.com>
>>
>>>> 693 CHINA unid, Jan 13 1600 - Chinese language speaker, at good level
>>>> with
>>>> FM frequencies being announced.  I wonder abut Shaanxi Weixing guangbo..
>>>> 200 kW listed in Xianyang.  I'll need to double check.
>>>> (Salmaniw,Masset, BC)
>>>
>>> I would have expected 300kw Tokyo on 693, but I suppose 100kw Shaanxi
>>> if it was indeed Chinese. You seem to have some very far inland
>>> stations, so it would make sense.
>
> Isn't NHK2 usually closed by 1600?
>
> 73, Mauno
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Re: [IRCA] Masset DXpedition loggings Jan 5 - 15th Part I-II

[Bill Whitacre]

Hi Chris.  Does NHK give any ‘local’ IDs?

—

> On Jan 19, 2017, at 6:22 PM, Chris Kadlec <beagleb...@beaglebass.com> wrote:
> 
> Whoops. Thanks for the catch on that. I mentioned that exact same thing on 
> his 729 catch about NHK 2 being off the air by that hour but replied to this 
> one first where I hadn't paid attention to the times.
> 
> NHK 2 turns off every night at 1545.
> 
> -Chris Kadlec
> Seoul AM Radio Listening Guide
> http://www.beaglebass.com/dx/seoul/
> 
> 
>> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 12:58:58 +0200
>> From: Mauno Ritola <mauno.rit...@realmonitor.com>
>> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Masset DXpedition loggings Jan 5 - 15th Part I-II
>> Message-ID: <3e1bb18d-08ff-7774-f6ae-3029afa84...@realmonitor.com>
>> 
>>>> 693 CHINA unid, Jan 13 1600 - Chinese language speaker, at good level
>>>> with
>>>> FM frequencies being announced.  I wonder abut Shaanxi Weixing guangbo.
>>>> 200 kW listed in Xianyang.  I'll need to double check.
>>>> (Salmaniw,Masset, BC)
>>> 
>>> I would have expected 300kw Tokyo on 693, but I suppose 100kw Shaanxi
>>> if it was indeed Chinese. You seem to have some very far inland
>>> stations, so it would make sense.
> 
> Isn't NHK2 usually closed by 1600?
> 
> 73, Mauno
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Re: [IRCA] Masset DXpedition loggings Jan 5 - 15th Part I-II

[Chris Kadlec]

Whoops. Thanks for the catch on that. I mentioned that exact same thing on 
his 729 catch about NHK 2 being off the air by that hour but replied to this 
one first where I hadn't paid attention to the times.


NHK 2 turns off every night at 1545.

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http://www.beaglebass.com/dx/seoul/



Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 12:58:58 +0200
From: Mauno Ritola <mauno.rit...@realmonitor.com>
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Masset DXpedition loggings Jan 5 - 15th Part I-II
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693 CHINA unid, Jan 13 1600 - Chinese language speaker, at good level
with
FM frequencies being announced.  I wonder abut Shaanxi Weixing guangbo.
200 kW listed in Xianyang.  I'll need to double check.
(Salmaniw,Masset, BC)


I would have expected 300kw Tokyo on 693, but I suppose 100kw Shaanxi
if it was indeed Chinese. You seem to have some very far inland
stations, so it would make sense.


Isn't NHK2 usually closed by 1600?

73, Mauno

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Re: [IRCA] Masset DXpedition loggings Jan 5 - 15th Part I-II

[Nick Hall-Patch]

NHK2 seems to have been regularly signing off at 1540UT this season, 
with the music box ending by 1545UT.   Unfortunately, no NHK2 made it 
down here on 13 January.




best wishes,

Nick

At 10:58 19-01-17, Mauno Ritola wrote:

Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 07:49:46 +
From: Walter Salmaniw 
Subject: [IRCA] Masset DXpedition loggings Jan 5 - 15th Part II



693 CHINA unid, Jan 13 1600 - Chinese language speaker, at good level with
FM frequencies being announced.  I wonder abut Shaanxi Weixing guangbo.
200 kW listed in Xianyang.  I'll need to double check. (Salmaniw,Masset, BC)


I would have expected 300kw Tokyo on 693, but I suppose 100kw 
Shaanxi if it was indeed Chinese. You seem to have some very far 
inland stations, so it would make sense.


Isn't NHK2 usually closed by 1600?

73, Mauno




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Re: [IRCA] Masset DXpedition loggings Jan 5 - 15th Part I-II

[Mauno Ritola]

Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 07:49:46 +
From: Walter Salmaniw 
Subject: [IRCA] Masset DXpedition loggings Jan 5 - 15th Part II


693 CHINA unid, Jan 13 1600 - Chinese language speaker, at good level 
with

FM frequencies being announced.  I wonder abut Shaanxi Weixing guangbo.
200 kW listed in Xianyang.  I'll need to double check. 
(Salmaniw,Masset, BC)


I would have expected 300kw Tokyo on 693, but I suppose 100kw Shaanxi 
if it was indeed Chinese. You seem to have some very far inland 
stations, so it would make sense.


Isn't NHK2 usually closed by 1600?

73, Mauno

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Re: [IRCA] Masset DXpedition loggings Jan 5 - 15th Part I-II

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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 07:49:46 +
From: Walter Salmaniw 
Subject: [IRCA] Masset DXpedition loggings Jan 5 - 15th Part II



693 CHINA unid, Jan 13 1600 - Chinese language speaker, at good level with
FM frequencies being announced.  I wonder abut Shaanxi Weixing guangbo.
200 kW listed in Xianyang.  I'll need to double check. (Salmaniw,Masset, 
BC)


I would have expected 300kw Tokyo on 693, but I suppose 100kw Shaanxi if it 
was indeed Chinese. You seem to have some very far inland stations, so it 
would make sense.



729 VIETNAM Dong Hoi 200 kW Da Tieng noi Viet Nam (VoV 2), Jan 13 1559 -
Pretty certain this is who I heard around 15:50 UTC.  In the clear and
fairly strong with a language I strongly suspect is Vietnamese.  Gradually
faded and cochannels JOCK (Nagoya 50 kW with NHK 1 programming) and less
commonly Pyongyang Bangsong  in North Korea (Samo with 50 kW and //3250)
was also heard.  But according to PAL, they state that N Korea is no 
longer

on this frequency.   Unfortunately SW // was off the air from15:00 on
5925.   Rechecking around 16:05, there's an English lesson here.  That
might help with the ID.  Program seemed to have finished at 16:14 leaving
dead air.  Yes, that has to be them, as I note in PAL that, 'English
lessons have been noted at 1600 UTC'.  Should be quit certain, then!.
(Salmaniw,Masset, BC)



Yes, 729 Pyonggang has gone off the air. If it was there, that's unique. I'm 
not hearing it right now at all, only a sports game from Japan. And if it 
were to turn back on, the Hwaseong jammer would turn back on at the same 
time. English lessons are NHK 2 (educational) typically, which turns off 
early. There are no such language lessons on NHK 1 (news/talk and classical) 
and at the hour you were listening, they're on air with Radio Midnight, 
certainly not educational programming.




774 CHINA unid, Jan 13 1732 - Time pips at 17:30, then announcing FM
frequencies, but faded into cochannel music.  Pretty clearly heard, so 
will

post for expert opinion. (Salmaniw,Masset, BC)



774 is 104.6 Voice of Hubei, 200kw. If you have a recording, just send it 
along and I can confirm very easily.




972 CHINA unid, Jan 8 1720 - A Chinese speaker totally dominating the
channel.  HLCA was not even audible for a time, before coming back to 
about

equal strength.  PAL lists 3 stations, but 1 is only 1 kW, the other
(Harbin) is supposed to be off at 15:00, while the 3rd 100 kW station has
no programming details (Henan RGD, Zhengzhou).  Interesting!.
(Salmaniw,Masset, BC)



This is Henan Economic Radio, 100kw, more so if you were hearing it in 
echoes.




1188 UNID Unid, Jan 14 1634 - An interesting channel.  Not Chinese so who?
Checked PAL for possibilities.  Sounding very South Asian, so I wonder 
abot

CRI from Xuanwei listed in Hindi with 300 kW from Xuanwei.  I could hope
for India direct from Mumbai with 50 kW.  Note the SW frequency is not
correct!  PAL lists // 10330.  Not used for a long time.  Definite Indian
music noted at 16:42 cochannel with more usual JOKP from Kitami, Hokkaido,
but the Hindi sounding station is dominating!  Unfortunately, by 17:00 it
was all JOKP, with only a weak cochannel, so nothing noted at the TOH.
Someone faded up by 17:01, but does not sound Hindi.  Of course, CRI Hindi
should have ended at 16:57.  I didn't think the format fitted CRI, though.
Addendum:   I will seek some guidance here.  On listening to the clip
again, I no longer think this is 'Hindi sounding', but rather more a play
or opera (sleep deprivation this morning!!), so I'm suspecting that it's
only FEBC in Seoul (HLKX). (Salmaniw,Masset, BC)



This would be Voice of America in Incheon if it were indeed Korean, though 
Korean and Hindi (CRI) are drastically different sounding. Again, a clip 
would solve this in a hurry.


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