Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

[Neil Kazaross]

Sometimes here in Barrington IL and easy 90 miles north in Grafton WI where 
things from across lake Michigan are at least 10 dB stronger.

73 KAZ hoping they get out west.

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Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 5:03 PM
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>
> Saul Chernos wrote:
>
>>I'm curious -- who has previously heard CFFX, and
>>where?
>
> Saul,
>
> Heard them in late '70s.  They were CKWS at that time. They and CFTJ were
> the only Canadians I could get on that frequency.
>
> Paul LaFreniere
> Grand Marais, MN
>

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Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

[Donald K. Kaskey]

Saul,

Paul's report of reception of Kingston jogged my memory and I checked my logs.  
I heard CKWS-960 on 11/23/81 at 0123 CST from Galva, Iowa (while vacationing 
there). They were doing regular
programming.  Never heard from California, unfortunately.

Don Kaskey
San Francisco CA



Paul LaFreniere wrote:

> Saul Chernos wrote:
>
> >I'm curious -- who has previously heard CFFX, and
> >where?
>
> Saul,
>
> Heard them in late '70s.  They were CKWS at that time. They and CFTJ were
> the only Canadians I could get on that frequency.
>
> Paul LaFreniere
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Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

[Paul LaFreniere]

Saul Chernos wrote:

>I'm curious -- who has previously heard CFFX, and
>where?

Saul,

Heard them in late '70s.  They were CKWS at that time. They and CFTJ were 
the only Canadians I could get on that frequency.

Paul LaFreniere
Grand Marais, MN 

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Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

[Paul B. Walker, Jr.]

Jim:

I don't think you should have to go out of your way to do anything for
anyone.

If a station makes it clear how they're going to QSL, then that's how
they're going to do it and those who aren't happy can simply not
participate.

I've DX'ed on and off for 6 years and rarely ever gotten a QSL. My first QSL
on paper was from KDKA when I was going to MIDDLE SCHOOL in Central
Connecticut. However, since then, over the period of 12 to 13 years, I've
gotten less then a dozen paper QSL's. To me, as long as I know the station
says what I heard was in fact them, then I'm happy and that's what counts!

People need to be more greatful for what stations do for us. To imply a
station means "take a long walk off a short dock" in response to E-QSL's
only is a POOR attitude and will be what continues to hurt this hobby.

If and when I get around to A DX Test for WABV, I will accept ONLY written
requests by snail mail with return postage. NO EMAIL. Why? For my feebled,
busy mind... paper is easier to keep track of then Email. And if anyone
doesn't like my policy, oh well.. I'm not going to stay up till 2am doing a
test for thsoe who don't appreciate it.

Regards,
Paul. B. Walker, Jr.
Operations Manager/Program Director/Assistant Sales Director/Secretary
Assistant Engineer/Cleaning Person/Toilet Fixer Upper/Lawn Mower/Dog Walker
Cool Country 1590 WABV Abbeville, SC
www.wabv1590.com
www.walkerbroadcasting.com





On Dec 31, 2007 5:41 PM, Jim Pogue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> OK - before this gets any uglier, please let me step in here in my
> capacity
> as BTC Chairman.
>
> Regarding QSLs for the CFFX test, anyone who receives and reports the test
> correctly, and wants a paper QSL card will get one. I don't care if you
> have
> a computer or not. My goal is to try to accommodate everyone within
> reason.
> Some folks want paper, others are OK with cyber. Either way is OK by me.
>
> Regarding return postage, I'm not sure if the actual paper QSLs are going
> to
> be mailed from Canada or the U.S., but since U.S. currency is good in
> either
> country, sending a green stamp should take care of it if the replies come
> from Canada.
>
> Finally, please let's all try to stay civil toward each other. This has
> long
> been a hobby of ladies and gentlemen who treated each other with mutual
> respect. As long as we continue to do this, our hobby will be around (at
> least in some form) long after we are gone.
>
> Thanks for my time on the soapbox. I'll be happy to respond to any
> questions
> you may have about the upcoming CFFX test or any other BTC topic.
>
> Jim Pogue KH2AR/WPE9HLJ/KG6DX1A
> IRCA/NRC Joint Broadcast Test Coordiator
> Memphis, Tennessee USA
>
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of k4ape
> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 4:05 PM
> To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
>
>
> > re QSL, is this "card" or letter?  I don't collect cyber.
>
>  AMEN and AMEN!   Cyber is _NOT_ a real QSL!  [And I don't want to
> hear
> anything from Patrick Martin and company on this issue. This is not open
> for
>
> discussion.] Anyone can write up something on a computer and say they
> heard
> a certain station.
>
> Konnie, it is my understanding that _ONLY_ cyber reports are really wanted
> and all others can go and 'take a long walk off a short dock'. This
> encludes
>
> recodings. IF you have E-mail access, and you and I do, you don't get to
> do
> anything in writing. Patrick suggested that since this is a Canada station
> and they can not use U.S. postage, that we enclose a few "coupons" to pay
> the postage. BUT, Saul said that IF you have e-mail you don't get any
> snail
> mail QSL. Even if you pay for it.
>
> What it comes down to, at lease for me, is the same ole thing -- I don't
> get
>
> a QSL of any kind no matter if I sent money or not.  I quit collecting
> QSL's
>
> for this very reason, to much el-crapo over doing things right. It is old
> story of those have money to buy the equipment get to, and those who don't
> have money might as well forget. The rich rule!
>
> BTW- The amount of work involved in sending out a QSL using snail mail
> with
> an enclosed self addressed stamped envelope is no greater than a QSL sent
> out by cyber el-crapo. I personally have "been there and done that."
>
> Willis
> Old Fort, TN
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Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

[Paul B. Walker, Jr.]

Saul:

NICE IDEA!

All QSL's from here on in for WABV will be issues on standards 2-ply!

Paul Walker



On Dec 31, 2007 6:44 PM, Saul Chernos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Toilet tissue QSLs? Hmmm. Something to consider...
>
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Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

[Patrick Martin]

I'm not there either :)

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Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

[Saul Chernos]

I'm not there yet...
;-)

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Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 9:10 PM
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> Skip the Geritol.  Go for Viagra instead...you'll still be up.
>
>
>
> On Dec 31, 2007 5:56 PM, Saul Chernos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> It's not even the 90s... sigh... (now, where is that geritol...)
>>
>> - Original Message -
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>> To: "Mailing list for the International Radio Club ofAmerica"
>> 
>> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 8:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
>>
>>
>>  > John,
>> >
>> > I do care. Most QSLers do. We would love to have that QSL card or 
>> > letter
>> > rather than a ppc. But in this day, we have to take what we can get. It
>> > is no longer the 1960s or 70s, or even the 80s.
>> >
>> > 73,
>> >
>> > Patrick
>> >
>> > Patrick Martin
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Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

[Russ Edmunds]

--- Saul Chernos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It's not even the 90s... sigh... (now, where is that geritol...)
> 
>

Cheer up, Saul - in a few more years we'll be in the teens !

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Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

[Russ Edmunds]

--- Martin and Wendy Foltz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> They are in my log book from Lansing Michigan, 1972-1984. When I
> heard them
> their call were CKWS. I never sent them a reception report.
> 


Heard both in North Jersey and here as CKWS, here later as CFFX.

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Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

[Mike Hawkins]

Skip the Geritol.  Go for Viagra instead...you'll still be up.



On Dec 31, 2007 5:56 PM, Saul Chernos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It's not even the 90s... sigh... (now, where is that geritol...)
>
> - Original Message -
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> To: "Mailing list for the International Radio Club ofAmerica"
> 
> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 8:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
>
>
>  > John,
> >
> > I do care. Most QSLers do. We would love to have that QSL card or letter
> > rather than a ppc. But in this day, we have to take what we can get. It
> > is no longer the 1960s or 70s, or even the 80s.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > Patrick Martin
> > KAVT Reception Manager
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Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

[Patrick Martin]

Brett,

In today's world, we take what we can get. If a station will QSL in any
form, it is better than not having any. 

73,

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

[Patrick Martin]

Saul, 

I cannot complain with 39 replies in 07. I used to a 100 or more a year
often, but I also heard more new stations. As I get closer to that 3,000
mark, hearing new stations is not nearly as easy as it once was. 

73,

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

[Patrick Martin]

Jim,

Very well spoken. I totally agree. We are all friends and let's treat
each other that way. After all, it is NYE too.

73,

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

[Saul Chernos]

It's not even the 90s... sigh... (now, where is that geritol...)

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> John,
>
> I do care. Most QSLers do. We would love to have that QSL card or letter
> rather than a ppc. But in this day, we have to take what we can get. It
> is no longer the 1960s or 70s, or even the 80s.
>
> 73,
>
> Patrick
>
> Patrick Martin
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Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

[Saul Chernos]

Thanks. I am looking forward to it, as well. Not sure if I'll be in Toronto 
or at Burnt River when they test and then pull the plug.

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> Saul,
>
> Thank you! Whatever QSL set up you and the CE want to use is fine with
> me.  To hear another Ontario station is really cool. Spending hours to
> get the beverage up and going was well worth the work too.
>
> 73,
>
> Patrick
>
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[Patrick Martin]

Thanks Deane. I knew there was a number out there.  Much appreciated.

73,

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

[Patrick Martin]

Martin,

I still get a fair number of QSL cards, but not nearly what I got 20
years ago. My breakdown for 2007 with 39 QSLs (38 MW, one SW)

Letters: 19
QSL cards: 11
Certificate: 1
Prepared cards: 4
E mails: 3
signature on report: 1

73,

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

[Martin and Wendy Foltz]

They are in my log book from Lansing Michigan, 1972-1984. When I heard them
their call were CKWS. I never sent them a reception report.

Martin Foltz

> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:53:57 -0500
> From: "Saul Chernos"
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
> To: "Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America"
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> I'm not the list moderator, but I do ask that we move the discussion to
> something more useful. I'm curious -- who has previously heard CFFX, and
> where?
>
> Saul



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[Patrick Martin]

Saul,

Thank you! Whatever QSL set up you and the CE want to use is fine with
me.  To hear another Ontario station is really cool. Spending hours to
get the beverage up and going was well worth the work too.

73,

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

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On 31-Dec-07, at 6:27 PM, Patrick Martin wrote:

> There is a number you can call, that Canadian stamps can be ordered  
> from
> the U.S. They take credt cards too as I remember.
>
>

1 800 565-4362

See



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Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

[Deane McIntyre]

On 31-Dec-07, at 4:48 PM, Martin and Wendy Foltz wrote:

> Willis, the price for mailing a letter out of Canada to the US was  
> $0.89 a
> year ago. $1US should be close enough for them. If you're serious, you
> should find a Canadian club member to send you a couple in trade  
> for some US
> stamps.
>


At present the postage rate from Canada to the USA is $0.93 but this  
will
increase to $0.96 effective Jan 14, 2008. Almost $1 US at the present  
exchange rates.

See



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for details of the new rates effective Jan 14.

73,

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Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

[Patrick Martin]

There is a number you can call, that Canadian stamps can be ordered from
the U.S. They take credt cards too as I remember.

73,

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

[Patrick Martin]

John,

I do care. Most QSLers do. We would love to have that QSL card or letter
rather than a ppc. But in this day, we have to take what we can get. It
is no longer the 1960s or 70s, or even the 80s. 

73,

Patrick 

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Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

[j999w]

I should probably just keep quiet, but I just have a few things to say, 
then I'm in the background again.

I realize that some folks like collecting QSL cards from AM BC 
stations, and that's all good, more power to you, but beyond that, does 
it really matter in what form it is? I mean, there aren't any rewards 
or certificates to earn by submitting them like you would for DXCC in 
ham radio. Does anyone even keep record of who has how many countries, 
states, or the like. Has there ever been a list like that? In ham 
radio, you're a nobody unless you're on the DXCC Honor Roll, but as far 
as I know, there is no award like that in AM BC DXing. That being said 
... unless you have to prove to the station itself that you heard them, 
you know you heard them, nobody else cares ... so make your own! Who's 
going to care? When your estate is bought up by someone trying to make 
a few bucks on eBay ???

I record my loggings for my own enjoyment. Nobody else will probably 
ever hear them and nobody will probably ever care. Oh well, I live on 
regardless.

73 and good luck with those confirmations.

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Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

[Martin and Wendy Foltz]

Willis, the price for mailing a letter out of Canada to the US was $0.89 a
year ago. $1US should be close enough for them. If you're serious, you
should find a Canadian club member to send you a couple in trade for some US
stamps.

I'm not sure what the difference is between a QSL that's sent by email and
printed vs. one that's printed at the station and sent in an envelope. They
might be the same unless you ask for the time, date and your name to be
added to it.

In the past 4 years I've only received what I consider to be 8 MW QSL cards;
3 foreign and 5 domestic. Three of the domestics were for DX Tests (KEVA,
KRSN, KCKN). They're getting pretty rare.

Good luck.

Martin Foltz
(recounting my QSL totals after reading there are rules to what I can count)


> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:04:43 -0500
> From: "k4ape"
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
> To: "Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America"
>
>
> > re QSL, is this "card" or letter?  I don't collect cyber.
>
> AMEN and AMEN!   Cyber is _NOT_ a real QSL!  [And I don't want to hear
> anything from Patrick Martin and company on this issue. This is not open
for
> discussion.] Anyone can write up something on a computer and say they
heard
> a certain station.
>
> Konnie, it is my understanding that _ONLY_ cyber reports are really wanted
> and all others can go and 'take a long walk off a short dock'. This
encludes
> recodings. IF you have E-mail access, and you and I do, you don't get to
do
> anything in writing. Patrick suggested that since this is a Canada station
> and they can not use U.S. postage, that we enclose a few "coupons" to pay
> the postage. BUT, Saul said that IF you have e-mail you don't get any
snail
> mail QSL. Even if you pay for it.
>
> What it comes down to, at lease for me, is the same ole thing -- I don't
get
> a QSL of any kind no matter if I sent money or not.  I quit collecting
QSL's
> for this very reason, to much el-crapo over doing things right. It is old

> story of those have money to buy the equipment get to, and those who don't
> have money might as well forget. The rich rule!
>
> BTW- The amount of work involved in sending out a QSL using snail mail
with
> an enclosed self addressed stamped envelope is no greater than a QSL sent
> out by cyber el-crapo. I personally have "been there and done that."
>
> Willis
> Old Fort, TN


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Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

[Saul Chernos]

I should give some background as far as QSLs and CFFX are concerned. The 
station is doing us a favour. The station had received an e-mail from 
someone else, and the engineer was sitting on it, when I contacted him, by 
chance, by telephone. The engineer was extremely friendly, and explained 
that he had the request on file, but has been VERY busy overseeing the 
transition of 960 to 104.3. He was concerned about the number of reports 
he'd receive adding to an already very difficult workload. I explained that 
our BCB test committee could handle the responses, if he wished, and also 
supply test material. He took us up on this, and has been very nice to deal 
with. Soon afterwards, he expressed the desire to see the reports and 
respond. We talked a bit about the report's he'd had from Europe, and my 
guess is that he appreciated hearing from us DXers because he cared about 
his signal. Anyhow, we'll get him the cards, or whatever it is that a BCB TC 
volunteer is designing (I've seen a mock-up, very nice) as we speak. The 
only experience I've had with QSLing a DX test in this cyber-age was last 
year's MT DX test on 750. It came via e-mail, as an attachment, and is 
treasured in my DX files. I don't collect QSLs anymore (used to) but I 
landed this one simply as a matter of course after seeking to confirm music 
and other test content that I'd heard. The eQSL sure looks real to me, and 
has found it's way into my age-old QSL paper file. Anyhow, I really want to 
respect the CE's original wishes, and his clearly stated concerns. I want to 
make this as easy on him as possible, simply as a matter of respect. We're 
finalizing details on how the QSLing will be done, but my plan is to ask 
that reports be sent to BOTH of us, so that if he wants out and/or gets 
busy, I can take over, and so that I can double-check for any reports that 
might appear suspect. Folks, we're dealing in this case with an engineer who 
is doing us a favour at the very moment he will be busy ... a scant few 
hours after the test, he will be turning off 960 and relying solely on his 
FM to carry the station forward. Anyhow, I need to work out some QSL 
logistics with the test committee. This is new territory for me. If there's 
something any of you feel should be done, and it isn't being done, then 
don't just complain -- offer some kind of help - big or small, your time, 
technical advice/help, actual resources, whatever - to help get it done.

I'm not the list moderator, but I do ask that we move the discussion to 
something more useful. I'm curious -- who has previously heard CFFX, and 
where?

Saul


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Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

[kevin redding]

Speaking as an ex-test coordinator, you are the guy that makes the  
test coordinators job real hard, Konnie.

Kevin
Gilbert, AZ

>> Don't settle for imitations.  Last I checked, the term
>> "QSL" is a historical ham radio term, and is still defined as a  
>> "card."  [
>> QST.com] There are enough revisionists out there.  A QSL is a  
>> card.  Cyber
>> gets flushed into the cyber-toilet...  to put it simply, e-QSLs  
>> reek, or to
>> put it mildly, "just stink."

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Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

[Joe Miller, KJ8O]

Konnie, Willis, and group

--- Konnie Rychalsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Now now girls, kiddies, no one ever implied I wasn't
> gratefull, or grapefruit, or unhappy with whatever I
> get.

As we all know, times change. Even the ARRL has
electronic QSL service through their "logbook of the
world".  Conditions are always changing, people can
adapt.

The way that I have adapted is by cheerfully accepting
any JPG QSLs received, printing them on photo quality
paper, and printing the e-mail verification that
usually accompanies the eQSL. And yes, they look very
good along with collection of traditional QSLs.

As such, we live in a free country and can do as we
choose. I think you may be missing out on some of the
excitement my not accepting eQSLs.

Just MY 2 cents.

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Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

[Mike Hawkins]

I can only speak for myself, but my log of KBBI in Homer, Alaska was
dismissed by the CE because he got the number of time zones different off by
one.  We corresponded by email, and he realized his mistake.  He verified it
by email, and I'm not the least bit dissatisfied with that.

I would assume that if you use the attitude in the email I'm replying to as
a means of educating a station on how they should respond to QSL requests,
you would not have to worry about getting any more in the future.nobody
would.

On Dec 31, 2007 3:04 PM, Konnie Rychalsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Now now girls, kiddies, no one ever implied I wasn't gratefull, or
> grapefruit, or unhappy with whatever I get.  But then, "whatever I get"
> doesn't include toilet tissue with station logo on it... that's not a QSL
> and never will be.   Don't settle for imitations.  Last I checked, the term
> "QSL" is a historical ham radio term, and is still defined as a "card."  [
> QST.com] There are enough revisionists out there.  A QSL is a card.  Cyber
> gets flushed into the cyber-toilet...  to put it simply, e-QSLs reek, or to
> put it mildly, "just stink."
>
> Every non-QSL replies received by a listener is a golden opportunity by
> the listener to inform and educate a station on the "history" and offer the
> opportunity to be a part of it.  Good will, and not "what I can get" is what
> the hobby is about.  Where are the marketing people in this group???
>
> I only asked, paper or plastic, credit of debit, QSL card or letter.
>
> Konnie
> SW CT
>
>
> > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:27:11 -0700
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> > Subject: Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
> >
> > Be grateful for whatever you can get.
> > If you'd like something more, at least be diplomatic about asking for
> it.
> >
> > On Dec 31, 2007 3:04 PM, k4ape  wrote:
> >>
> >>> re QSL, is this "card" or letter? I don't collect cyber.
> >>
> >> AMEN and AMEN! Cyber is _NOT_ a real QSL!
> > --
> > Mesa Mike
> > LA de NM
>
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Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

[Patrick Griffith, N0NNK / WPE9HVW]

Toilet tissue QSLs? Hmmm. Something to consider...
/
I was in a store recently that had rolls of toilet tissue for sale with
the face of George Dubya printed on every sheet. So anything is
possible.

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Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

[Saul Chernos]

Toilet tissue QSLs? Hmmm. Something to consider...

- Original Message - 
From: "Konnie Rychalsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America" 

Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

> Now now girls, kiddies, no one ever implied I wasn't gratefull, or 
> grapefruit, or unhappy with whatever I get.  But then, "whatever I get" 
> doesn't include toilet tissue with station logo on it... that's not a QSL 
> and never will be.   Don't settle for imitations.  Last I checked, the 
> term "QSL" is a historical ham radio term, and is still defined as a 
> "card."  [QST.com] There are enough revisionists out there.  A QSL is a 
> card.  Cyber gets flushed into the cyber-toilet...  to put it simply, 
> e-QSLs reek, or to put it mildly, "just stink."
>
> Every non-QSL replies received by a listener is a golden opportunity by 
> the listener to inform and educate a station on the "history" and offer 
> the opportunity to be a part of it.  Good will, and not "what I can get" 
> is what the hobby is about.  Where are the marketing people in this 
> group???
>
> I only asked, paper or plastic, credit of debit, QSL card or letter.
>
> Konnie
> SW CT
>
>
>> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:27:11 -0700
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
>> Subject: Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
>>
>> Be grateful for whatever you can get.
>> If you'd like something more, at least be diplomatic about asking for it.
>>
>> On Dec 31, 2007 3:04 PM, k4ape  wrote:
>>>
>>>> re QSL, is this "card" or letter? I don't collect cyber.
>>>
>>> AMEN and AMEN! Cyber is _NOT_ a real QSL!
>> --
>> Mesa Mike
>> LA de NM
>
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Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

[Brett Saylor]

 QSL is a radio broadcasting and communication code message meaning "I
verify your reception". QSL cards and letters are a written manifestation of
that verification. E-QSLs are just another form of verification. Even hams
have embraced electronic QSLing - over 150 million QSOs have been submitted
to the ARRL's Logbook of the World for electronic QSLing. See
http://www.arrl.org/lotw/silver.pdf for a description of the process they
use.

Personally, I am happy for whatever I can get nowadays,

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Central PA
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Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

[Konnie Rychalsky]

Now now girls, kiddies, no one ever implied I wasn't gratefull, or grapefruit, 
or unhappy with whatever I get.  But then, "whatever I get" doesn't include 
toilet tissue with station logo on it... that's not a QSL and never will be.   
Don't settle for imitations.  Last I checked, the term "QSL" is a historical 
ham radio term, and is still defined as a "card."  [QST.com] There are enough 
revisionists out there.  A QSL is a card.  Cyber gets flushed into the 
cyber-toilet...  to put it simply, e-QSLs reek, or to put it mildly, "just 
stink."

Every non-QSL replies received by a listener is a golden opportunity by the 
listener to inform and educate a station on the "history" and offer the 
opportunity to be a part of it.  Good will, and not "what I can get" is what 
the hobby is about.  Where are the marketing people in this group???

I only asked, paper or plastic, credit of debit, QSL card or letter.

Konnie
SW CT


> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:27:11 -0700
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
>
> Be grateful for whatever you can get.
> If you'd like something more, at least be diplomatic about asking for it.
>
> On Dec 31, 2007 3:04 PM, k4ape  wrote:
>>
>>> re QSL, is this "card" or letter? I don't collect cyber.
>>
>> AMEN and AMEN! Cyber is _NOT_ a real QSL!
> --
> Mesa Mike
> LA de NM

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Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

[Russ Edmunds]

--- Konnie Rychalsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Willis,
> Amen to your Amen.  Don't give up my friend, there are ham radio
> operators out there who work at AM stations and try/still keep the
> hobby pure to it's original form.  I still seek QSL Cards, even
> though they are scarce to find.  Station policies can and do change.
> 


Very simple, guys. If you don't like the rules, then rather than
complain and moan, simply don't participate. Everybody's welcome to
their opinions, but some of us are getting real tired of all of this "attitude".

Russ Edmunds
Blue Bell, PA ( 360' ASL )
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Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

[Konnie Rychalsky]

Willis,
Amen to your Amen.  Don't give up my friend, there are ham radio operators out 
there who work at AM stations and try/still keep the hobby pure to it's 
original form.  I still seek QSL Cards, even though they are scarce to find.  
Station policies can and do change.

Konnie
SW CT


> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:04:43 -0500
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
>
>
>> re QSL, is this "card" or letter? I don't collect cyber.
>
> AMEN and AMEN! Cyber is _NOT_ a real QSL! [And I don't want to hear
> anything from Patrick Martin and company on this issue. This is not open for
> discussion.] Anyone can write up something on a computer and say they heard
> a certain station.
>
> Willis
> Old Fort, TN

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Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

[Jim Pogue]

OK - before this gets any uglier, please let me step in here in my capacity
as BTC Chairman.

Regarding QSLs for the CFFX test, anyone who receives and reports the test
correctly, and wants a paper QSL card will get one. I don't care if you have
a computer or not. My goal is to try to accommodate everyone within reason.
Some folks want paper, others are OK with cyber. Either way is OK by me.

Regarding return postage, I'm not sure if the actual paper QSLs are going to
be mailed from Canada or the U.S., but since U.S. currency is good in either
country, sending a green stamp should take care of it if the replies come
from Canada.

Finally, please let's all try to stay civil toward each other. This has long
been a hobby of ladies and gentlemen who treated each other with mutual
respect. As long as we continue to do this, our hobby will be around (at
least in some form) long after we are gone.

Thanks for my time on the soapbox. I'll be happy to respond to any questions
you may have about the upcoming CFFX test or any other BTC topic.

Jim Pogue KH2AR/WPE9HLJ/KG6DX1A
IRCA/NRC Joint Broadcast Test Coordiator
Memphis, Tennessee USA

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On Behalf Of k4ape
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 4:05 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960


> re QSL, is this "card" or letter?  I don't collect cyber.

AMEN and AMEN!   Cyber is _NOT_ a real QSL!  [And I don't want to hear 
anything from Patrick Martin and company on this issue. This is not open for

discussion.] Anyone can write up something on a computer and say they heard 
a certain station.

Konnie, it is my understanding that _ONLY_ cyber reports are really wanted 
and all others can go and 'take a long walk off a short dock'. This encludes

recodings. IF you have E-mail access, and you and I do, you don't get to do 
anything in writing. Patrick suggested that since this is a Canada station 
and they can not use U.S. postage, that we enclose a few "coupons" to pay 
the postage. BUT, Saul said that IF you have e-mail you don't get any snail 
mail QSL. Even if you pay for it.

What it comes down to, at lease for me, is the same ole thing -- I don't get

a QSL of any kind no matter if I sent money or not.  I quit collecting QSL's

for this very reason, to much el-crapo over doing things right. It is old 
story of those have money to buy the equipment get to, and those who don't 
have money might as well forget. The rich rule!

BTW- The amount of work involved in sending out a QSL using snail mail with 
an enclosed self addressed stamped envelope is no greater than a QSL sent 
out by cyber el-crapo. I personally have "been there and done that."

Willis
Old Fort, TN 

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Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

[Mike Westfall, Lost Almost NM]

Be grateful for whatever you can get.
If you'd like something more, at least be diplomatic about asking for it.

On Dec 31, 2007 3:04 PM, k4ape <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > re QSL, is this "card" or letter?  I don't collect cyber.
>
> AMEN and AMEN!   Cyber is _NOT_ a real QSL!
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Mesa Mike
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Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

[k4ape]

> re QSL, is this "card" or letter?  I don't collect cyber.

AMEN and AMEN!   Cyber is _NOT_ a real QSL!  [And I don't want to hear 
anything from Patrick Martin and company on this issue. This is not open for 
discussion.] Anyone can write up something on a computer and say they heard 
a certain station.

Konnie, it is my understanding that _ONLY_ cyber reports are really wanted 
and all others can go and 'take a long walk off a short dock'. This encludes 
recodings. IF you have E-mail access, and you and I do, you don't get to do 
anything in writing. Patrick suggested that since this is a Canada station 
and they can not use U.S. postage, that we enclose a few "coupons" to pay 
the postage. BUT, Saul said that IF you have e-mail you don't get any snail 
mail QSL. Even if you pay for it.

What it comes down to, at lease for me, is the same ole thing -- I don't get 
a QSL of any kind no matter if I sent money or not.  I quit collecting QSL's 
for this very reason, to much el-crapo over doing things right. It is old 
story of those have money to buy the equipment get to, and those who don't 
have money might as well forget. The rich rule!

BTW- The amount of work involved in sending out a QSL using snail mail with 
an enclosed self addressed stamped envelope is no greater than a QSL sent 
out by cyber el-crapo. I personally have "been there and done that."

Willis
Old Fort, TN 

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[IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960

[Konnie Rychalsky]

re QSL, is this "card" or letter?  I don't collect cyber.


> Subject: [IRCA] DX test CFFX 960 Kingston ON
>
> We will issue QSLs, but I am not yet 100 percent sure who will handle the
> reports. Either the station, or me, or both of us. Regardless, we will
> definitely want audio recordings if at all possible, and we want reports
> sent via e-mail if at all possible. Snail-mail reports only when accompanied
> by SASE will be acknowledged. The QSL will be the same, regardless. We'll
> update the QSL situation soon.

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