Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
Saul: NICE IDEA! All QSL's from here on in for WABV will be issues on standards 2-ply! Paul Walker On Dec 31, 2007 6:44 PM, Saul Chernos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Toilet tissue QSLs? Hmmm. Something to consider... ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
Jim: I don't think you should have to go out of your way to do anything for anyone. If a station makes it clear how they're going to QSL, then that's how they're going to do it and those who aren't happy can simply not participate. I've DX'ed on and off for 6 years and rarely ever gotten a QSL. My first QSL on paper was from KDKA when I was going to MIDDLE SCHOOL in Central Connecticut. However, since then, over the period of 12 to 13 years, I've gotten less then a dozen paper QSL's. To me, as long as I know the station says what I heard was in fact them, then I'm happy and that's what counts! People need to be more greatful for what stations do for us. To imply a station means take a long walk off a short dock in response to E-QSL's only is a POOR attitude and will be what continues to hurt this hobby. If and when I get around to A DX Test for WABV, I will accept ONLY written requests by snail mail with return postage. NO EMAIL. Why? For my feebled, busy mind... paper is easier to keep track of then Email. And if anyone doesn't like my policy, oh well.. I'm not going to stay up till 2am doing a test for thsoe who don't appreciate it. Regards, Paul. B. Walker, Jr. Operations Manager/Program Director/Assistant Sales Director/Secretary Assistant Engineer/Cleaning Person/Toilet Fixer Upper/Lawn Mower/Dog Walker Cool Country 1590 WABV Abbeville, SC www.wabv1590.com www.walkerbroadcasting.com On Dec 31, 2007 5:41 PM, Jim Pogue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK - before this gets any uglier, please let me step in here in my capacity as BTC Chairman. Regarding QSLs for the CFFX test, anyone who receives and reports the test correctly, and wants a paper QSL card will get one. I don't care if you have a computer or not. My goal is to try to accommodate everyone within reason. Some folks want paper, others are OK with cyber. Either way is OK by me. Regarding return postage, I'm not sure if the actual paper QSLs are going to be mailed from Canada or the U.S., but since U.S. currency is good in either country, sending a green stamp should take care of it if the replies come from Canada. Finally, please let's all try to stay civil toward each other. This has long been a hobby of ladies and gentlemen who treated each other with mutual respect. As long as we continue to do this, our hobby will be around (at least in some form) long after we are gone. Thanks for my time on the soapbox. I'll be happy to respond to any questions you may have about the upcoming CFFX test or any other BTC topic. Jim Pogue KH2AR/WPE9HLJ/KG6DX1A IRCA/NRC Joint Broadcast Test Coordiator Memphis, Tennessee USA QRZ.com/KH2AR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of k4ape Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 4:05 PM To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America Subject: Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960 re QSL, is this card or letter? I don't collect cyber. AMEN and AMEN! Cyber is _NOT_ a real QSL! [And I don't want to hear anything from Patrick Martin and company on this issue. This is not open for discussion.] Anyone can write up something on a computer and say they heard a certain station. Konnie, it is my understanding that _ONLY_ cyber reports are really wanted and all others can go and 'take a long walk off a short dock'. This encludes recodings. IF you have E-mail access, and you and I do, you don't get to do anything in writing. Patrick suggested that since this is a Canada station and they can not use U.S. postage, that we enclose a few coupons to pay the postage. BUT, Saul said that IF you have e-mail you don't get any snail mail QSL. Even if you pay for it. What it comes down to, at lease for me, is the same ole thing -- I don't get a QSL of any kind no matter if I sent money or not. I quit collecting QSL's for this very reason, to much el-crapo over doing things right. It is old story of those have money to buy the equipment get to, and those who don't have money might as well forget. The rich rule! BTW- The amount of work involved in sending out a QSL using snail mail with an enclosed self addressed stamped envelope is no greater than a QSL sent out by cyber el-crapo. I personally have been there and done that. Willis Old Fort, TN ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original
Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
Saul Chernos wrote: I'm curious -- who has previously heard CFFX, and where? Saul, Heard them in late '70s. They were CKWS at that time. They and CFTJ were the only Canadians I could get on that frequency. Paul LaFreniere Grand Marais, MN ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
Saul, Paul's report of reception of Kingston jogged my memory and I checked my logs. I heard CKWS-960 on 11/23/81 at 0123 CST from Galva, Iowa (while vacationing there). They were doing regular programming. Never heard from California, unfortunately. Don Kaskey San Francisco CA Paul LaFreniere wrote: Saul Chernos wrote: I'm curious -- who has previously heard CFFX, and where? Saul, Heard them in late '70s. They were CKWS at that time. They and CFTJ were the only Canadians I could get on that frequency. Paul LaFreniere Grand Marais, MN ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
[IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
re QSL, is this card or letter? I don't collect cyber. Subject: [IRCA] DX test CFFX 960 Kingston ON We will issue QSLs, but I am not yet 100 percent sure who will handle the reports. Either the station, or me, or both of us. Regardless, we will definitely want audio recordings if at all possible, and we want reports sent via e-mail if at all possible. Snail-mail reports only when accompanied by SASE will be acknowledged. The QSL will be the same, regardless. We'll update the QSL situation soon. _ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_122007 ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
re QSL, is this card or letter? I don't collect cyber. AMEN and AMEN! Cyber is _NOT_ a real QSL! [And I don't want to hear anything from Patrick Martin and company on this issue. This is not open for discussion.] Anyone can write up something on a computer and say they heard a certain station. Konnie, it is my understanding that _ONLY_ cyber reports are really wanted and all others can go and 'take a long walk off a short dock'. This encludes recodings. IF you have E-mail access, and you and I do, you don't get to do anything in writing. Patrick suggested that since this is a Canada station and they can not use U.S. postage, that we enclose a few coupons to pay the postage. BUT, Saul said that IF you have e-mail you don't get any snail mail QSL. Even if you pay for it. What it comes down to, at lease for me, is the same ole thing -- I don't get a QSL of any kind no matter if I sent money or not. I quit collecting QSL's for this very reason, to much el-crapo over doing things right. It is old story of those have money to buy the equipment get to, and those who don't have money might as well forget. The rich rule! BTW- The amount of work involved in sending out a QSL using snail mail with an enclosed self addressed stamped envelope is no greater than a QSL sent out by cyber el-crapo. I personally have been there and done that. Willis Old Fort, TN ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
Be grateful for whatever you can get. If you'd like something more, at least be diplomatic about asking for it. On Dec 31, 2007 3:04 PM, k4ape [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: re QSL, is this card or letter? I don't collect cyber. AMEN and AMEN! Cyber is _NOT_ a real QSL! -- Mesa Mike LA de NM ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
OK - before this gets any uglier, please let me step in here in my capacity as BTC Chairman. Regarding QSLs for the CFFX test, anyone who receives and reports the test correctly, and wants a paper QSL card will get one. I don't care if you have a computer or not. My goal is to try to accommodate everyone within reason. Some folks want paper, others are OK with cyber. Either way is OK by me. Regarding return postage, I'm not sure if the actual paper QSLs are going to be mailed from Canada or the U.S., but since U.S. currency is good in either country, sending a green stamp should take care of it if the replies come from Canada. Finally, please let's all try to stay civil toward each other. This has long been a hobby of ladies and gentlemen who treated each other with mutual respect. As long as we continue to do this, our hobby will be around (at least in some form) long after we are gone. Thanks for my time on the soapbox. I'll be happy to respond to any questions you may have about the upcoming CFFX test or any other BTC topic. Jim Pogue KH2AR/WPE9HLJ/KG6DX1A IRCA/NRC Joint Broadcast Test Coordiator Memphis, Tennessee USA QRZ.com/KH2AR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of k4ape Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 4:05 PM To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America Subject: Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960 re QSL, is this card or letter? I don't collect cyber. AMEN and AMEN! Cyber is _NOT_ a real QSL! [And I don't want to hear anything from Patrick Martin and company on this issue. This is not open for discussion.] Anyone can write up something on a computer and say they heard a certain station. Konnie, it is my understanding that _ONLY_ cyber reports are really wanted and all others can go and 'take a long walk off a short dock'. This encludes recodings. IF you have E-mail access, and you and I do, you don't get to do anything in writing. Patrick suggested that since this is a Canada station and they can not use U.S. postage, that we enclose a few coupons to pay the postage. BUT, Saul said that IF you have e-mail you don't get any snail mail QSL. Even if you pay for it. What it comes down to, at lease for me, is the same ole thing -- I don't get a QSL of any kind no matter if I sent money or not. I quit collecting QSL's for this very reason, to much el-crapo over doing things right. It is old story of those have money to buy the equipment get to, and those who don't have money might as well forget. The rich rule! BTW- The amount of work involved in sending out a QSL using snail mail with an enclosed self addressed stamped envelope is no greater than a QSL sent out by cyber el-crapo. I personally have been there and done that. Willis Old Fort, TN ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
Willis, Amen to your Amen. Don't give up my friend, there are ham radio operators out there who work at AM stations and try/still keep the hobby pure to it's original form. I still seek QSL Cards, even though they are scarce to find. Station policies can and do change. Konnie SW CT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: irca@hard-core-dx.com Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:04:43 -0500 Subject: Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960 re QSL, is this card or letter? I don't collect cyber. AMEN and AMEN! Cyber is _NOT_ a real QSL! [And I don't want to hear anything from Patrick Martin and company on this issue. This is not open for discussion.] Anyone can write up something on a computer and say they heard a certain station. Willis Old Fort, TN _ The best games are on Xbox 360. Click here for a special offer on an Xbox 360 Console. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/wheretobuy/ ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
--- Konnie Rychalsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Willis, Amen to your Amen. Don't give up my friend, there are ham radio operators out there who work at AM stations and try/still keep the hobby pure to it's original form. I still seek QSL Cards, even though they are scarce to find. Station policies can and do change. Very simple, guys. If you don't like the rules, then rather than complain and moan, simply don't participate. Everybody's welcome to their opinions, but some of us are getting real tired of all of this attitude. Russ Edmunds Blue Bell, PA ( 360' ASL ) [15 mi NNW of Philadelphia] 40:08:45N; 75:16:04W, Grid FN20id [EMAIL PROTECTED] FM: Yamaha T-80 Onkyo T-450RDS w/ APS9B @15' AM: Hammarlund HQ-150 4' FET air core loop Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
Now now girls, kiddies, no one ever implied I wasn't gratefull, or grapefruit, or unhappy with whatever I get. But then, whatever I get doesn't include toilet tissue with station logo on it... that's not a QSL and never will be. Don't settle for imitations. Last I checked, the term QSL is a historical ham radio term, and is still defined as a card. [QST.com] There are enough revisionists out there. A QSL is a card. Cyber gets flushed into the cyber-toilet... to put it simply, e-QSLs reek, or to put it mildly, just stink. Every non-QSL replies received by a listener is a golden opportunity by the listener to inform and educate a station on the history and offer the opportunity to be a part of it. Good will, and not what I can get is what the hobby is about. Where are the marketing people in this group??? I only asked, paper or plastic, credit of debit, QSL card or letter. Konnie SW CT Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:27:11 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: irca@hard-core-dx.com Subject: Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960 Be grateful for whatever you can get. If you'd like something more, at least be diplomatic about asking for it. On Dec 31, 2007 3:04 PM, k4ape wrote: re QSL, is this card or letter? I don't collect cyber. AMEN and AMEN! Cyber is _NOT_ a real QSL! -- Mesa Mike LA de NM _ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_wlhmtextlink1_dec ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
QSL is a radio broadcasting and communication code message meaning I verify your reception. QSL cards and letters are a written manifestation of that verification. E-QSLs are just another form of verification. Even hams have embraced electronic QSLing - over 150 million QSOs have been submitted to the ARRL's Logbook of the World for electronic QSLing. See http://www.arrl.org/lotw/silver.pdf for a description of the process they use. Personally, I am happy for whatever I can get nowadays, Brett Saylor Central PA ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
Toilet tissue QSLs? Hmmm. Something to consider... - Original Message - From: Konnie Rychalsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America irca@hard-core-dx.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960 Now now girls, kiddies, no one ever implied I wasn't gratefull, or grapefruit, or unhappy with whatever I get. But then, whatever I get doesn't include toilet tissue with station logo on it... that's not a QSL and never will be. Don't settle for imitations. Last I checked, the term QSL is a historical ham radio term, and is still defined as a card. [QST.com] There are enough revisionists out there. A QSL is a card. Cyber gets flushed into the cyber-toilet... to put it simply, e-QSLs reek, or to put it mildly, just stink. Every non-QSL replies received by a listener is a golden opportunity by the listener to inform and educate a station on the history and offer the opportunity to be a part of it. Good will, and not what I can get is what the hobby is about. Where are the marketing people in this group??? I only asked, paper or plastic, credit of debit, QSL card or letter. Konnie SW CT Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:27:11 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: irca@hard-core-dx.com Subject: Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960 Be grateful for whatever you can get. If you'd like something more, at least be diplomatic about asking for it. On Dec 31, 2007 3:04 PM, k4ape wrote: re QSL, is this card or letter? I don't collect cyber. AMEN and AMEN! Cyber is _NOT_ a real QSL! -- Mesa Mike LA de NM _ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_wlhmtextlink1_dec ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
Toilet tissue QSLs? Hmmm. Something to consider... / I was in a store recently that had rolls of toilet tissue for sale with the face of George Dubya printed on every sheet. So anything is possible. Patrick Griffith, CBT CBNT CRO Westminster CO http://community.webtv.net/AM-DXer/ http://community.webtv.net/N0NNK/ ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
I can only speak for myself, but my log of KBBI in Homer, Alaska was dismissed by the CE because he got the number of time zones different off by one. We corresponded by email, and he realized his mistake. He verified it by email, and I'm not the least bit dissatisfied with that. I would assume that if you use the attitude in the email I'm replying to as a means of educating a station on how they should respond to QSL requests, you would not have to worry about getting any more in the future.nobody would. On Dec 31, 2007 3:04 PM, Konnie Rychalsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now now girls, kiddies, no one ever implied I wasn't gratefull, or grapefruit, or unhappy with whatever I get. But then, whatever I get doesn't include toilet tissue with station logo on it... that's not a QSL and never will be. Don't settle for imitations. Last I checked, the term QSL is a historical ham radio term, and is still defined as a card. [ QST.com] There are enough revisionists out there. A QSL is a card. Cyber gets flushed into the cyber-toilet... to put it simply, e-QSLs reek, or to put it mildly, just stink. Every non-QSL replies received by a listener is a golden opportunity by the listener to inform and educate a station on the history and offer the opportunity to be a part of it. Good will, and not what I can get is what the hobby is about. Where are the marketing people in this group??? I only asked, paper or plastic, credit of debit, QSL card or letter. Konnie SW CT Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:27:11 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: irca@hard-core-dx.com Subject: Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960 Be grateful for whatever you can get. If you'd like something more, at least be diplomatic about asking for it. On Dec 31, 2007 3:04 PM, k4ape wrote: re QSL, is this card or letter? I don't collect cyber. AMEN and AMEN! Cyber is _NOT_ a real QSL! -- Mesa Mike LA de NM _ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_wlhmtextlink1_dec ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
Konnie, Willis, and group --- Konnie Rychalsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now now girls, kiddies, no one ever implied I wasn't gratefull, or grapefruit, or unhappy with whatever I get. As we all know, times change. Even the ARRL has electronic QSL service through their logbook of the world. Conditions are always changing, people can adapt. The way that I have adapted is by cheerfully accepting any JPG QSLs received, printing them on photo quality paper, and printing the e-mail verification that usually accompanies the eQSL. And yes, they look very good along with collection of traditional QSLs. As such, we live in a free country and can do as we choose. I think you may be missing out on some of the excitement my not accepting eQSLs. Just MY 2 cents. VY73 and Good DX, Joe Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
Speaking as an ex-test coordinator, you are the guy that makes the test coordinators job real hard, Konnie. Kevin Gilbert, AZ Don't settle for imitations. Last I checked, the term QSL is a historical ham radio term, and is still defined as a card. [ QST.com] There are enough revisionists out there. A QSL is a card. Cyber gets flushed into the cyber-toilet... to put it simply, e-QSLs reek, or to put it mildly, just stink. ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
I should give some background as far as QSLs and CFFX are concerned. The station is doing us a favour. The station had received an e-mail from someone else, and the engineer was sitting on it, when I contacted him, by chance, by telephone. The engineer was extremely friendly, and explained that he had the request on file, but has been VERY busy overseeing the transition of 960 to 104.3. He was concerned about the number of reports he'd receive adding to an already very difficult workload. I explained that our BCB test committee could handle the responses, if he wished, and also supply test material. He took us up on this, and has been very nice to deal with. Soon afterwards, he expressed the desire to see the reports and respond. We talked a bit about the report's he'd had from Europe, and my guess is that he appreciated hearing from us DXers because he cared about his signal. Anyhow, we'll get him the cards, or whatever it is that a BCB TC volunteer is designing (I've seen a mock-up, very nice) as we speak. The only experience I've had with QSLing a DX test in this cyber-age was last year's MT DX test on 750. It came via e-mail, as an attachment, and is treasured in my DX files. I don't collect QSLs anymore (used to) but I landed this one simply as a matter of course after seeking to confirm music and other test content that I'd heard. The eQSL sure looks real to me, and has found it's way into my age-old QSL paper file. Anyhow, I really want to respect the CE's original wishes, and his clearly stated concerns. I want to make this as easy on him as possible, simply as a matter of respect. We're finalizing details on how the QSLing will be done, but my plan is to ask that reports be sent to BOTH of us, so that if he wants out and/or gets busy, I can take over, and so that I can double-check for any reports that might appear suspect. Folks, we're dealing in this case with an engineer who is doing us a favour at the very moment he will be busy ... a scant few hours after the test, he will be turning off 960 and relying solely on his FM to carry the station forward. Anyhow, I need to work out some QSL logistics with the test committee. This is new territory for me. If there's something any of you feel should be done, and it isn't being done, then don't just complain -- offer some kind of help - big or small, your time, technical advice/help, actual resources, whatever - to help get it done. I'm not the list moderator, but I do ask that we move the discussion to something more useful. I'm curious -- who has previously heard CFFX, and where? Saul ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
Willis, the price for mailing a letter out of Canada to the US was $0.89 a year ago. $1US should be close enough for them. If you're serious, you should find a Canadian club member to send you a couple in trade for some US stamps. I'm not sure what the difference is between a QSL that's sent by email and printed vs. one that's printed at the station and sent in an envelope. They might be the same unless you ask for the time, date and your name to be added to it. In the past 4 years I've only received what I consider to be 8 MW QSL cards; 3 foreign and 5 domestic. Three of the domestics were for DX Tests (KEVA, KRSN, KCKN). They're getting pretty rare. Good luck. Martin Foltz (recounting my QSL totals after reading there are rules to what I can count) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:04:43 -0500 From: k4ape Subject: Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960 To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America re QSL, is this card or letter? I don't collect cyber. AMEN and AMEN! Cyber is _NOT_ a real QSL! [And I don't want to hear anything from Patrick Martin and company on this issue. This is not open for discussion.] Anyone can write up something on a computer and say they heard a certain station. Konnie, it is my understanding that _ONLY_ cyber reports are really wanted and all others can go and 'take a long walk off a short dock'. This encludes recodings. IF you have E-mail access, and you and I do, you don't get to do anything in writing. Patrick suggested that since this is a Canada station and they can not use U.S. postage, that we enclose a few coupons to pay the postage. BUT, Saul said that IF you have e-mail you don't get any snail mail QSL. Even if you pay for it. What it comes down to, at lease for me, is the same ole thing -- I don't get a QSL of any kind no matter if I sent money or not. I quit collecting QSL's for this very reason, to much el-crapo over doing things right. It is old story of those have money to buy the equipment get to, and those who don't have money might as well forget. The rich rule! BTW- The amount of work involved in sending out a QSL using snail mail with an enclosed self addressed stamped envelope is no greater than a QSL sent out by cyber el-crapo. I personally have been there and done that. Willis Old Fort, TN ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
I should probably just keep quiet, but I just have a few things to say, then I'm in the background again. I realize that some folks like collecting QSL cards from AM BC stations, and that's all good, more power to you, but beyond that, does it really matter in what form it is? I mean, there aren't any rewards or certificates to earn by submitting them like you would for DXCC in ham radio. Does anyone even keep record of who has how many countries, states, or the like. Has there ever been a list like that? In ham radio, you're a nobody unless you're on the DXCC Honor Roll, but as far as I know, there is no award like that in AM BC DXing. That being said ... unless you have to prove to the station itself that you heard them, you know you heard them, nobody else cares ... so make your own! Who's going to care? When your estate is bought up by someone trying to make a few bucks on eBay ??? I record my loggings for my own enjoyment. Nobody else will probably ever hear them and nobody will probably ever care. Oh well, I live on regardless. 73 and good luck with those confirmations. John K9RZZ Milwaukee More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
John, I do care. Most QSLers do. We would love to have that QSL card or letter rather than a ppc. But in this day, we have to take what we can get. It is no longer the 1960s or 70s, or even the 80s. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin KAVT Reception Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
There is a number you can call, that Canadian stamps can be ordered from the U.S. They take credt cards too as I remember. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin KAVT Reception Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
On 31-Dec-07, at 4:48 PM, Martin and Wendy Foltz wrote: Willis, the price for mailing a letter out of Canada to the US was $0.89 a year ago. $1US should be close enough for them. If you're serious, you should find a Canadian club member to send you a couple in trade for some US stamps. At present the postage rate from Canada to the USA is $0.93 but this will increase to $0.96 effective Jan 14, 2008. Almost $1 US at the present exchange rates. See http://www.canadapost.ca/personal/rates/default-e.asp for details of the present rates and http://www.canadapost.ca/personal/rates/coming-e.asp for details of the new rates effective Jan 14. 73, Deane McIntyre VE6BPO ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
On 31-Dec-07, at 6:27 PM, Patrick Martin wrote: There is a number you can call, that Canadian stamps can be ordered from the U.S. They take credt cards too as I remember. 1 800 565-4362 See http://www.canadapost.ca/personal/collecting/default-e.asp? stamp=counter for online and other ordering options. 73, Deane McIntyre VE6BPO ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
Saul, Thank you! Whatever QSL set up you and the CE want to use is fine with me. To hear another Ontario station is really cool. Spending hours to get the beverage up and going was well worth the work too. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin KAVT Reception Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
They are in my log book from Lansing Michigan, 1972-1984. When I heard them their call were CKWS. I never sent them a reception report. Martin Foltz Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:53:57 -0500 From: Saul Chernos Subject: Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960 To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America I'm not the list moderator, but I do ask that we move the discussion to something more useful. I'm curious -- who has previously heard CFFX, and where? Saul ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
Martin, I still get a fair number of QSL cards, but not nearly what I got 20 years ago. My breakdown for 2007 with 39 QSLs (38 MW, one SW) Letters: 19 QSL cards: 11 Certificate: 1 Prepared cards: 4 E mails: 3 signature on report: 1 73, Patrick Patrick Martin KAVT Reception Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
Thanks Deane. I knew there was a number out there. Much appreciated. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin KAVT Reception Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
Thanks. I am looking forward to it, as well. Not sure if I'll be in Toronto or at Burnt River when they test and then pull the plug. - Original Message - From: Patrick Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club ofAmerica irca@hard-core-dx.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mailing list for the International Radio Club ofAmerica irca@hard-core-dx.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960 Saul, Thank you! Whatever QSL set up you and the CE want to use is fine with me. To hear another Ontario station is really cool. Spending hours to get the beverage up and going was well worth the work too. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin KAVT Reception Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
It's not even the 90s... sigh... (now, where is that geritol...) - Original Message - From: Patrick Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club ofAmerica irca@hard-core-dx.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960 John, I do care. Most QSLers do. We would love to have that QSL card or letter rather than a ppc. But in this day, we have to take what we can get. It is no longer the 1960s or 70s, or even the 80s. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin KAVT Reception Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
Jim, Very well spoken. I totally agree. We are all friends and let's treat each other that way. After all, it is NYE too. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin KAVT Reception Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
Saul, I cannot complain with 39 replies in 07. I used to a 100 or more a year often, but I also heard more new stations. As I get closer to that 3,000 mark, hearing new stations is not nearly as easy as it once was. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin KAVT Reception Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
Brett, In today's world, we take what we can get. If a station will QSL in any form, it is better than not having any. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin KAVT Reception Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
Skip the Geritol. Go for Viagra instead...you'll still be up. On Dec 31, 2007 5:56 PM, Saul Chernos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not even the 90s... sigh... (now, where is that geritol...) - Original Message - From: Patrick Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club ofAmerica irca@hard-core-dx.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960 John, I do care. Most QSLers do. We would love to have that QSL card or letter rather than a ppc. But in this day, we have to take what we can get. It is no longer the 1960s or 70s, or even the 80s. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin KAVT Reception Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
--- Martin and Wendy Foltz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are in my log book from Lansing Michigan, 1972-1984. When I heard them their call were CKWS. I never sent them a reception report. Heard both in North Jersey and here as CKWS, here later as CFFX. Russ Edmunds Blue Bell, PA ( 360' ASL ) [15 mi NNW of Philadelphia] 40:08:45N; 75:16:04W, Grid FN20id [EMAIL PROTECTED] FM: Yamaha T-80 Onkyo T-450RDS w/ APS9B @15' AM: Hammarlund HQ-150 4' FET air core loop Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
--- Saul Chernos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not even the 90s... sigh... (now, where is that geritol...) Cheer up, Saul - in a few more years we'll be in the teens ! Russ Edmunds Blue Bell, PA ( 360' ASL ) [15 mi NNW of Philadelphia] 40:08:45N; 75:16:04W, Grid FN20id [EMAIL PROTECTED] FM: Yamaha T-80 Onkyo T-450RDS w/ APS9B @15' AM: Hammarlund HQ-150 4' FET air core loop Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
I'm not there yet... ;-) - Original Message - From: Mike Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America irca@hard-core-dx.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960 Skip the Geritol. Go for Viagra instead...you'll still be up. On Dec 31, 2007 5:56 PM, Saul Chernos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not even the 90s... sigh... (now, where is that geritol...) - Original Message - From: Patrick Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club ofAmerica irca@hard-core-dx.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960 John, I do care. Most QSLers do. We would love to have that QSL card or letter rather than a ppc. But in this day, we have to take what we can get. It is no longer the 1960s or 70s, or even the 80s. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin KAVT Reception Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] QSL??? DX test CFFX 960
I'm not there either :) Patrick Martin KAVT Reception Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
