Re: [IRCA] ] RIP DX Tests (was: Re: Rackley on Synchronous AM Boosters)
I no longer have an full time operating AM station at my direct disposal 24/7 or y'all know I'd do a DX test. Being in the DX Hobby long enough, I can tell when a report is real, even if no audio clip is included I did have a DX'er send me a reception report for KIYU-910 from Belgium or Sweden or something... reporting 4's across the board.. when it wasnt even on!! Paul On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Patrick Martin wrote: > Rick, > > Anytime people could always cheat. There were reports from back in the > 50s with faux reports. I like sending a cassette, reel to reel tape, > or now CD of what I heard so the CE could tell the reception quality > as well as it being accurate. But to give up totally on DX Tests > because of of a faux report or two, it ruins it for the rest of us. I > love catching the rare stations that could never be heard without a > test. One issue we are having is the reluctance of station personnel > to reply to any reports now. Even e mail replies are hard to obtain. > Even though I get fewer QSLs these days, I still go after them. But DX > Tests should still be viable in our hobby. We do not get many these > days as stations do not sign off like they did. I still look forward > to them when we get them. > > Patrick > > On 1/6/17, Rick Dau wrote: > > Sorry, DXers of the world, but it's high time that DX tests be done away > > with > > > > > > > > Back in the day, some unscrupulous participants in the hobby made it a > > practice of waiting about 2-3 weeks after tests were conducted, looking > > through the pages of DX News, DX Monitor, and other print publications, > > jotting down the details of what OTHERS were hearing, then sending their > own > > faux reports based from those details off to the testing stations. Very > > often, engineers would happily mail back QSLs to the offenders, totally > > unaware of what was going on. Fortunately, a select few DID get wise to > the > > shenanigans being perpetrated and then began conducting tests with the > > caveat that reports had to be mailed within a scant few days (say, > within a > > week or so) after the test, or they would simply not reply to the report. > > This was, in effect, to curtail the cheating. > > > > > > > > But with the progress of technology comes a downside. Through reflectors > > such as these, along with message boards, DX chatrooms (WHEN they work), > and > > other means of instant communication, the cheaters are once again seeing > the > > information that others are posting without making their OWN efforts to > hear > > the stations. DX tests were fun while they lasted, but, IMHO, they > need to > > be put down. > > > > > > > > 73, > > > > Rick Dau > > > > South Omaha, Nebraska > > > > > > From: a...@yahoogroups.com on behalf of > > wghau...@yahoo.com [ABDX] > > Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 5:48 PM > > To: a...@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [ABDX] Re: Rackley on Synchronous AM Boosters > > > > > > > > To answer Todd`s question about anyone hearing KKOB Santa Fe, recently > > in my reports and DXLD: > > > > Also, I have repeatedly called for a DX test to be arranged on Santa Fe > > only, turning off the main Albuquerque transmitter, however briefly > (without > > of course, trying to set it up, myself; maybe I would if I still lived in > > ABQ) And now there is no CPC chairman. Glenn > > > > __._,_.___ > > > > Posted by: wghau...@yahoo.com > > __,_._,___ > > > ___ > The 37th edition of the AM Radio Log is now shipping! > Info: http://www.nrcdxas.org > > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] RIP DX Tests (was: Re: Rackley on Synchronous AM Boosters)
DX tests were once the best think a BCB Dxer could look forward to (along with regular monthly frequency checks by stations). I, and many others in our club were aware of a certain individual who was cheating on DX tests and doing so in a very brash manner. We made it known that these activities were not acceptable and even communicated the problem with station personnel. I believe that the vast majority of folks in our hobby are decent and honest folks and it would be a shame to completely do away with such a tradition due to one or two bad apples. Mike Sanburn From: IRCA on behalf of Rick Dau Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 10:56 PM To: a...@yahoogroups.com Cc: a...@nrcdxas.org; Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America Subject: [IRCA] RIP DX Tests (was: Re: Rackley on Synchronous AM Boosters) Sorry, DXers of the world, but it's high time that DX tests be done away with Back in the day, some unscrupulous participants in the hobby made it a practice of waiting about 2-3 weeks after tests were conducted, looking through the pages of DX News, DX Monitor, and other print publications, jotting down the details of what OTHERS were hearing, then sending their own faux reports based from those details off to the testing stations. Very often, engineers would happily mail back QSLs to the offenders, totally unaware of what was going on. Fortunately, a select few DID get wise to the shenanigans being perpetrated and then began conducting tests with the caveat that reports had to be mailed within a scant few days (say, within a week or so) after the test, or they would simply not reply to the report. This was, in effect, to curtail the cheating. But with the progress of technology comes a downside. Through reflectors such as these, along with message boards, DX chatrooms (WHEN they work), and other means of instant communication, the cheaters are once again seeing the information that others are posting without making their OWN efforts to hear the stations. DX tests were fun while they lasted, but, IMHO, they need to be put down. 73, Rick Dau South Omaha, Nebraska From: a...@yahoogroups.com on behalf of wghau...@yahoo.com [ABDX] Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 5:48 PM To: a...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ABDX] Re: Rackley on Synchronous AM Boosters To answer Todd`s question about anyone hearing KKOB Santa Fe, recently in my reports and DXLD: Also, I have repeatedly called for a DX test to be arranged on Santa Fe only, turning off the main Albuquerque transmitter, however briefly (without of course, trying to set it up, myself; maybe I would if I still lived in ABQ) And now there is no CPC chairman. Glenn __._,_.___ Posted by: wghau...@yahoo.com __,_._,___ ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org International Radio Club of America<http://www.ircaonline.org/> www.ircaonline.org Web Site for the International Radio Club of America To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] RIP DX Tests (was: Re: Rackley on Synchronous AM Boosters)
The larger issues contributing to fewer / no DX Tests have to do with the industry itself. The industry isn't as it once was. There's less staff, more work, no interest on the part of stations today. Stations on the edge financially simply can't be interested as it does nothing for them, and many fit into that category. The FCC and some industry bigwigs have spent decades de-emphasizing anything but local reception, in terms of regulations but also increasing the numbers of stations on at any given time. The items Rick mentioned are part. So are the DX'ers who start badgering the station within a week after the test about verifications. The world has changed, and the DX hobby isn't immune. Russ Edmunds 15 mi NW Phila Grid FN20id AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (4) barefoot w/whip FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder; Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 4); modified Sony ICF2010's (3) w/APS9B @ 15'; modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 2:08 AM, Glenn Hauser via IRCA wrote: > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Glenn Hauser > To: "a...@yahoogroups.com" , Rick Dau < > drummer196...@hotmail.com> > Cc: "a...@nrcdxas.org" , Mailing list for the International > Radio Club of America > Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 07:08:49 + (UTC) > Subject: Re: RIP DX Tests (was: Re: Rackley on Synchronous AM Boosters) > Rick, > > I get your point, but that only matters if you gotta get QSLs. A test > without even offering QSLs would allow one to KNOW whether oneself heard > the station, sufficient. > > 73, Glenn Hauser > > > On Sat, 1/7/17, Rick Dau wrote: > > > Sorry, DXers of the world, but it's high time that DX > tests be done away with > > Back in the day, some unscrupulous participants in the > hobby made it a practice of waiting about 2-3 weeks after > tests were conducted, looking through the pages of DX News, > DX Monitor, and other print publications, jotting down the > details of what OTHERS > were hearing, then sending their own faux reports based > from those details off to the testing stations. Very > often, engineers would happily mail back QSLs to the > offenders, totally unaware of what was going on. > Fortunately, a select few DID get wise to the > shenanigans being perpetrated and then began conducting > tests with the caveat that reports had to be mailed within a > scant few days (say, within a week or so) after the test, or > they would simply not reply to the report. This was, in > effect, to curtail the > cheating. > > But with the progress of technology comes a downside. > Through reflectors such as these, along with message > boards, DX chatrooms (WHEN they work), and other means of > instant communication, the cheaters are once again seeing > the information that others are > posting without making their OWN efforts to hear the > stations. DX tests were fun while they lasted, but, IMHO, > they need to be put down. > > 73, > Rick Dau > South Omaha, Nebraska > > > From: a...@yahoogroups.com > on behalf of wghau...@yahoo.com > [ABDX] > > Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 5:48 PM > > To: a...@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [ABDX] Re: Rackley on Synchronous AM > Boosters > > > > > > > To answer Todd`s question about anyone hearing KKOB Santa > Fe, recently > > in my reports and DXLD: > > > > Also, I have repeatedly called for a DX test to be arranged > on Santa Fe only, turning off the main Albuquerque > transmitter, however briefly (without of course, trying to > set it up, myself; maybe I would if I still lived in ABQ) > And now there is no CPC chairman. > Glenn > > > > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] RIP DX Tests (was: Re: Rackley on Synchronous AM Boosters)
--- Begin Message --- Rick, I get your point, but that only matters if you gotta get QSLs. A test without even offering QSLs would allow one to KNOW whether oneself heard the station, sufficient. 73, Glenn Hauser On Sat, 1/7/17, Rick Dau wrote: Sorry, DXers of the world, but it's high time that DX tests be done away with Back in the day, some unscrupulous participants in the hobby made it a practice of waiting about 2-3 weeks after tests were conducted, looking through the pages of DX News, DX Monitor, and other print publications, jotting down the details of what OTHERS were hearing, then sending their own faux reports based from those details off to the testing stations. Very often, engineers would happily mail back QSLs to the offenders, totally unaware of what was going on. Fortunately, a select few DID get wise to the shenanigans being perpetrated and then began conducting tests with the caveat that reports had to be mailed within a scant few days (say, within a week or so) after the test, or they would simply not reply to the report. This was, in effect, to curtail the cheating. But with the progress of technology comes a downside. Through reflectors such as these, along with message boards, DX chatrooms (WHEN they work), and other means of instant communication, the cheaters are once again seeing the information that others are posting without making their OWN efforts to hear the stations. DX tests were fun while they lasted, but, IMHO, they need to be put down. 73, Rick Dau South Omaha, Nebraska From: a...@yahoogroups.com on behalf of wghau...@yahoo.com [ABDX] Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 5:48 PM To: a...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ABDX] Re: Rackley on Synchronous AM Boosters To answer Todd`s question about anyone hearing KKOB Santa Fe, recently in my reports and DXLD: Also, I have repeatedly called for a DX test to be arranged on Santa Fe only, turning off the main Albuquerque transmitter, however briefly (without of course, trying to set it up, myself; maybe I would if I still lived in ABQ) And now there is no CPC chairman. Glenn --- End Message --- ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
[IRCA] RIP DX Tests (was: Re: Rackley on Synchronous AM Boosters)
Sorry, DXers of the world, but it's high time that DX tests be done away with Back in the day, some unscrupulous participants in the hobby made it a practice of waiting about 2-3 weeks after tests were conducted, looking through the pages of DX News, DX Monitor, and other print publications, jotting down the details of what OTHERS were hearing, then sending their own faux reports based from those details off to the testing stations. Very often, engineers would happily mail back QSLs to the offenders, totally unaware of what was going on. Fortunately, a select few DID get wise to the shenanigans being perpetrated and then began conducting tests with the caveat that reports had to be mailed within a scant few days (say, within a week or so) after the test, or they would simply not reply to the report. This was, in effect, to curtail the cheating. But with the progress of technology comes a downside. Through reflectors such as these, along with message boards, DX chatrooms (WHEN they work), and other means of instant communication, the cheaters are once again seeing the information that others are posting without making their OWN efforts to hear the stations. DX tests were fun while they lasted, but, IMHO, they need to be put down. 73, Rick Dau South Omaha, Nebraska From: a...@yahoogroups.com on behalf of wghau...@yahoo.com [ABDX] Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 5:48 PM To: a...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ABDX] Re: Rackley on Synchronous AM Boosters To answer Todd`s question about anyone hearing KKOB Santa Fe, recently in my reports and DXLD: Also, I have repeatedly called for a DX test to be arranged on Santa Fe only, turning off the main Albuquerque transmitter, however briefly (without of course, trying to set it up, myself; maybe I would if I still lived in ABQ) And now there is no CPC chairman. Glenn __._,_.___ Posted by: wghau...@yahoo.com __,_._,___ ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
