[IRCA] Requiring HD in Sat Receivers
From: SkyREPORT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 2:01 AM Subject: SkyREPORT 01/03/2008 - iBiquity Takes On Satellite Radio Merger iBiquity Takes On Satellite Radio Merger Should a combined satellite radio entity be required to include technology from a competing service in its receivers? Last month, iBiquity Digital, known for its HD Radio platform that allows FM and AM stations to deliver digital-quality audio to listeners, asked the Federal Communications Commission to consider a condition for the XM/Sirius merger that would require HD Radio technology to be included in all satellite radio receivers. It was the latest proposed condition aimed at the XM/Sirius transaction, which continues to wait for regulatory approval from the FCC and Justice Department antitrust staff. In a filing sent to the FCC, iBiquity stressed that it has no formal position on the merger. But the company suggested the condition would ensure a level competitive playing field between satellite radio and HD Radio technology. iBiquity also said a combined satellite radio company should be required to terminate all exclusive arrangements with current partners and be prohibited from entering into exclusive deals with suppliers, retailers and automobile manufacturers in the future. In its FCC filing, iBiquity alleged that the satellite radio companies may have used subsidies and incentives paid to automobile manufacturers and their suppliers to discourage proliferation of HD Radio products. The company also said, A merged entity will have a stronger economic position and more cash to fund subsidies and incentives. As the sole provider of satellite services, the merged entity will have greater leverage over retailers, car manufacturers and suppliers. iBiquity added, This combined satellite monopoly would be in a better position to act anti-competitively to exclude HD Radio products. The XM/Sirius merger has been at the FCC for more than 180 days. The companies first announced plans to combine operations in February. ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Requiring HD in Sat Receivers
Is this a signof desperation on iBiquity's part. Hopefully the court will learn something other than the wild success IBOC has enjoyed... - Original Message - From: Tim Kridel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America' irca@hard-core-dx.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:04 AM Subject: [IRCA] Requiring HD in Sat Receivers From: SkyREPORT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 2:01 AM Subject: SkyREPORT 01/03/2008 - iBiquity Takes On Satellite Radio Merger iBiquity Takes On Satellite Radio Merger Should a combined satellite radio entity be required to include technology from a competing service in its receivers? Last month, iBiquity Digital, known for its HD Radio platform that allows FM and AM stations to deliver digital-quality audio to listeners, asked the Federal Communications Commission to consider a condition for the XM/Sirius merger that would require HD Radio technology to be included in all satellite radio receivers. It was the latest proposed condition aimed at the XM/Sirius transaction, which continues to wait for regulatory approval from the FCC and Justice Department antitrust staff. In a filing sent to the FCC, iBiquity stressed that it has no formal position on the merger. But the company suggested the condition would ensure a level competitive playing field between satellite radio and HD Radio technology. iBiquity also said a combined satellite radio company should be required to terminate all exclusive arrangements with current partners and be prohibited from entering into exclusive deals with suppliers, retailers and automobile manufacturers in the future. In its FCC filing, iBiquity alleged that the satellite radio companies may have used subsidies and incentives paid to automobile manufacturers and their suppliers to discourage proliferation of HD Radio products. The company also said, A merged entity will have a stronger economic position and more cash to fund subsidies and incentives. As the sole provider of satellite services, the merged entity will have greater leverage over retailers, car manufacturers and suppliers. iBiquity added, This combined satellite monopoly would be in a better position to act anti-competitively to exclude HD Radio products. The XM/Sirius merger has been at the FCC for more than 180 days. The companies first announced plans to combine operations in February. ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Requiring HD in Sat Receivers
If this isn't pure desperation, nothing is. Larry Stoler - Original Message - From: Saul Chernos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America irca@hard-core-dx.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [IRCA] Requiring HD in Sat Receivers Is this a signof desperation on iBiquity's part. Hopefully the court will learn something other than the wild success IBOC has enjoyed... - Original Message - From: Tim Kridel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America' irca@hard-core-dx.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:04 AM Subject: [IRCA] Requiring HD in Sat Receivers From: SkyREPORT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 2:01 AM Subject: SkyREPORT 01/03/2008 - iBiquity Takes On Satellite Radio Merger iBiquity Takes On Satellite Radio Merger Should a combined satellite radio entity be required to include technology from a competing service in its receivers? Last month, iBiquity Digital, known for its HD Radio platform that allows FM and AM stations to deliver digital-quality audio to listeners, asked the Federal Communications Commission to consider a condition for the XM/Sirius merger that would require HD Radio technology to be included in all satellite radio receivers. It was the latest proposed condition aimed at the XM/Sirius transaction, which continues to wait for regulatory approval from the FCC and Justice Department antitrust staff. In a filing sent to the FCC, iBiquity stressed that it has no formal position on the merger. But the company suggested the condition would ensure a level competitive playing field between satellite radio and HD Radio technology. iBiquity also said a combined satellite radio company should be required to terminate all exclusive arrangements with current partners and be prohibited from entering into exclusive deals with suppliers, retailers and automobile manufacturers in the future. In its FCC filing, iBiquity alleged that the satellite radio companies may have used subsidies and incentives paid to automobile manufacturers and their suppliers to discourage proliferation of HD Radio products. The company also said, A merged entity will have a stronger economic position and more cash to fund subsidies and incentives. As the sole provider of satellite services, the merged entity will have greater leverage over retailers, car manufacturers and suppliers. iBiquity added, This combined satellite monopoly would be in a better position to act anti-competitively to exclude HD Radio products. The XM/Sirius merger has been at the FCC for more than 180 days. The companies first announced plans to combine operations in February. ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: 1/2/2008 11:29 AM ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Requiring HD in Sat Receivers
Imagine the impact a really knowledgeable DXer could make as an expert witness should this ever go before a court... - Original Message - From: Russ Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America irca@hard-core-dx.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [IRCA] Requiring HD in Sat Receivers --- Tim Kridel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: SkyREPORT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 2:01 AM Subject: SkyREPORT 01/03/2008 - iBiquity Takes On Satellite Radio Merger iBiquity Takes On Satellite Radio Merger This is sooo transparent ! Satellite has niche content. Satellite has pre-empted many possible FM HD-2 format deployments. HD isn't penetrating the market. So now they want to mandate HD on satellite - the only levelling of the playing field here is in iBiquity's favor because they have seriously misjudged just about everything in this misadventure of theirs. It also shows they've learned nothing at all from their dubious experience about propagation. Satellite already has some challenges there, and overlaying HD would only make them worse. What's also laughable is that they've obviously also learned nothing about the market economics at play. We have to overlapping and underperforming satellite services trying to merge, so now we'll toss in some difficult and very expensive platform changes, and at the same time render all existing satellite receivers obsolete. It's about time for iBiquity to stand or fail on its own - if they hang by their own petard, then so be it. Russ Edmunds Blue Bell, PA ( 360' ASL ) [15 mi NNW of Philadelphia] 40:08:45N; 75:16:04W, Grid FN20id [EMAIL PROTECTED] FM: Yamaha T-80 Onkyo T-450RDS w/ APS9B @15' AM: Hammarlund HQ-150 4' FET air core loop Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Requiring HD in Sat Receivers
Isn't it amazing how much time and money Ibiquity has wasted on this whole thing. Now they can't compete! that's their latest claim. What next? It's not over yet. They will keep going until the whole HD thing goes down in flames which may not take long. Larry Stoler - Original Message - From: Russ Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America irca@hard-core-dx.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [IRCA] Requiring HD in Sat Receivers --- Tim Kridel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: SkyREPORT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 2:01 AM Subject: SkyREPORT 01/03/2008 - iBiquity Takes On Satellite Radio Merger iBiquity Takes On Satellite Radio Merger This is sooo transparent ! Satellite has niche content. Satellite has pre-empted many possible FM HD-2 format deployments. HD isn't penetrating the market. So now they want to mandate HD on satellite - the only levelling of the playing field here is in iBiquity's favor because they have seriously misjudged just about everything in this misadventure of theirs. It also shows they've learned nothing at all from their dubious experience about propagation. Satellite already has some challenges there, and overlaying HD would only make them worse. What's also laughable is that they've obviously also learned nothing about the market economics at play. We have to overlapping and underperforming satellite services trying to merge, so now we'll toss in some difficult and very expensive platform changes, and at the same time render all existing satellite receivers obsolete. It's about time for iBiquity to stand or fail on its own - if they hang by their own petard, then so be it. Russ Edmunds Blue Bell, PA ( 360' ASL ) [15 mi NNW of Philadelphia] 40:08:45N; 75:16:04W, Grid FN20id [EMAIL PROTECTED] FM: Yamaha T-80 Onkyo T-450RDS w/ APS9B @15' AM: Hammarlund HQ-150 4' FET air core loop Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: 1/2/2008 11:29 AM ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Requiring HD in Sat Receivers
I doubt a DX'er: would EVER be considered an expert witness. Paul On Jan 3, 2008 12:07 PM, Saul Chernos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Imagine the impact a really knowledgeable DXer could make as an expert witness should this ever go before a court... - Original Message - From: Russ Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America irca@hard-core-dx.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [IRCA] Requiring HD in Sat Receivers ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Requiring HD in Sat Receivers
Russ, They are not going give up without a fight and there is going to be a lot of fallout from this. Lots of money will be lost before it is over. I think with the poor sales around Christmas, they are trying something else. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin KAVT Reception Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Requiring HD in Sat Receivers
You've got to at least give them credit for not giving up. I hope the whole HD issue does go out the window in time. Patrick Patrick Martin KAVT Reception Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Requiring HD in Sat Receivers
Maybe you aren't, nor am I, but look around the list a bit and you might identify one or two who are... - Original Message - From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America irca@hard-core-dx.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [IRCA] Requiring HD in Sat Receivers I doubt a DX'er: would EVER be considered an expert witness. Paul On Jan 3, 2008 12:07 PM, Saul Chernos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Imagine the impact a really knowledgeable DXer could make as an expert witness should this ever go before a court... - Original Message - From: Russ Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America irca@hard-core-dx.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [IRCA] Requiring HD in Sat Receivers ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Requiring HD in Sat Receivers
--- Patrick Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Russ, They are not going give up without a fight and there is going to be a lot of fallout from this. Lots of money will be lost before it is over. I think with the poor sales around Christmas, they are trying something else. While that may be true, I also doubt the FCC will be able to get away with some of the things they have in the past as Congress - members of both parties - is about fed up with Kevin Martin.There will also be fallout from the handling of the TV conversion by the FCC, and that will factor in. Russ Edmunds Blue Bell, PA ( 360' ASL ) [15 mi NNW of Philadelphia] 40:08:45N; 75:16:04W, Grid FN20id [EMAIL PROTECTED] FM: Yamaha T-80 Onkyo T-450RDS w/ APS9B @15' AM: Hammarlund HQ-150 4' FET air core loop Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Requiring HD in Sat Receivers
--- Tim Kridel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although the FCC might end up taking the heat for the DTV transition, ultimately it's Congress' lust for the auction revenue driving the timetable. I disagree, at least partially. The timetable is largely driven by agreements made a few years ago to re-allocate the spectrum. Many portions of it are already allocated and the new users impatient. Congress didn't negotiate those. Further, there was more than ample time for the FCC to have done what needed to be done and still comply with the timetable. The current FCC simply doesn't really care about the public/audience. They're more interested in benefitting the industry. There was probably never a sufficient timetable to allow for any serious phased deployment, however there was time for some phased tests as discussed earlier. There was also time to have done some shortened-up phase-ins. Russ Edmunds Blue Bell, PA ( 360' ASL ) [15 mi NNW of Philadelphia] 40:08:45N; 75:16:04W, Grid FN20id [EMAIL PROTECTED] FM: Yamaha T-80 Onkyo T-450RDS w/ APS9B @15' AM: Hammarlund HQ-150 4' FET air core loop Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Requiring HD in Sat Receivers
It was Congress, not the FCC, that started this whole process back in '96 by giving stations their DTV spectrum. Congress also set the original December 2006 analog phase-out deadline, and some members wanted an earlier cut-off. Congress knows that the sooner the auctions are held, the sooner they get not only the proceeds, but also the tax revenue from the services using the new spectrum. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Russ Edmunds Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 3:59 PM To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America Subject: Re: [IRCA] Requiring HD in Sat Receivers --- Tim Kridel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although the FCC might end up taking the heat for the DTV transition, ultimately it's Congress' lust for the auction revenue driving the timetable. I disagree, at least partially. The timetable is largely driven by agreements made a few years ago to re-allocate the spectrum. Many portions of it are already allocated and the new users impatient. Congress didn't negotiate those. Further, there was more than ample time for the FCC to have done what needed to be done and still comply with the timetable. The current FCC simply doesn't really care about the public/audience. They're more interested in benefitting the industry. There was probably never a sufficient timetable to allow for any serious phased deployment, however there was time for some phased tests as discussed earlier. There was also time to have done some shortened-up phase-ins. Russ Edmunds Blue Bell, PA ( 360' ASL ) [15 mi NNW of Philadelphia] 40:08:45N; 75:16:04W, Grid FN20id [EMAIL PROTECTED] FM: Yamaha T-80 Onkyo T-450RDS w/ APS9B @15' AM: Hammarlund HQ-150 4' FET air core loop Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
