Re: [IRCA] phased BoG experiment in Masset.

2019-01-08 Thread R. Colin Newell
Easy answer —

Your sample Lankford-Misek-Ratzlaff phaser
Does not have actual matched 50 ohm potentiometers in the “fine” controls —
They are “faked” 50’s using fixed resistors across the POT - which results in 
squirrelly, unpredictable or unstable nulls. 

All M-L-R PHASERS “sold” since that beta was built have ceramic or wire wound 
pots built and deployed like Lankford made his. 

Dallas Lankford described his 2007 Phaser as the best one ever - which is why 
Nick, Steve and I improved on it - making it significantly superior to the 
clunky Quantum Phaser and massively less expensive than the Cadillac-Tank 
DX-engineering Phaser. 

And with this e-mail, I’ll expect pedantic pencil pointing, finger waving and 
demands to see schematics and exact details on all changes.

I’m currently building 6 more simultaneously.

I’m specifically not selling them to “gotta have one / gotta shelve one...” 
they are for active DXERS actually posting regularly on IRCA or one of the 
other clubs. 

I’ll take questions now. 

Colin Newell - Victoria - B.C. CANADA -

>> 
>> 
>> Here's an example, using the Quantum Phaser, (forgive me, Nick and Colin,
>> but I cannot get your phaser to work this well here and will wrap it back
>> up and take to P.O Saturday) KYW blasting in with 1062 TA carrier.
>> Reversing phase just about killed KYW to reveal XEEP and the TA carrier was
>> also basically gone. Mini-BOGs aimed 32 deg.  73 KAZ Barrington IL
>> 
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Re: [IRCA] phased BoG experiment in Masset.

2019-01-08 Thread Volodya S
Neil, I suspect that that was the case with my experiment.  With the
shorter wire, and unamplified, no wonder the signal was too different in
strengths to get it to work properly.  This will be a good spring/summer
experiment when I won't need to erect the N Beverage at all, freeing up
another amplifier.  Do you feel there's any difference in the width between
// BoGs?   Also, would a stagger work any different than // wires with the
shorter one being between the start/end of the longer wire?   73,  Walt

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 5:05 AM Neil Kazaross  wrote:

> I'd expect that to work. However, the issue is that you probably had
> considerably more signal period on the amped BOG, so you need to attenuate
> it to get a back null.
>
> Ideally with these Phased BOG Systems you're looking to null back end QRM
> while not reducing forward DX and hopefully the forward DX can actually
> gain a couple dB signal from the combination of two antennas.
>
> Here's an example, using the Quantum Phaser, (forgive me, Nick and Colin,
> but I cannot get your phaser to work this well here and will wrap it back
> up and take to P.O Saturday) KYW blasting in with 1062 TA carrier.
> Reversing phase just about killed KYW to reveal XEEP and the TA carrier was
> also basically gone. Mini-BOGs aimed 32 deg.  73 KAZ Barrington IL
>
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 10:39 PM Volodya S  wrote:
>
> > Bill the main amplified BoG was about 750’ long, while the parallel
> shorter
> > non-amplified BoG was about 600’ long with the feed about 50’ from the
> > primary, and the unterminated end about 100’ from the end of the primary
> > BoG.  73, Walt
> >
> > On Monday, January 7, 2019, Neil Kazaross  wrote:
> >
> > > Here are Bill's loggings with this. I've never seen these higher band
> > > Mexicans reported from that far east on regional channels in this day
> and
> > > age. http://realmonitor.com/am_logs_chinquapin.php
> > >
> > > Walt, approx, how long were your two wires? Here in IL a mini-PBS is
> > giving
> > > me good results for TA's all I have is about 290 ft // 190 ft. With
> lots
> > of
> > > work, maybe I could add a couple dozen feet.  73 KAZ
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 11:55 PM Volodya S  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Bill, my phased array was similarly about 1.3 to 1, but more like
> about
> > > 5'
> > > > apart.   Results were occasionally very interesting, but in the end,
> I
> > > > didn't use it very much (too much happening during TP openings).  One
> > > down
> > > > side was that the shorter BoG was not amplified compared to the
> longer
> > > one,
> > > > so I sensed this made a big difference in decreasing the efficacy.
> > > Perhaps
> > > > I'm wrong on that.  I also don't necessarily have much to the rear of
> > the
> > > > NW BoG once daylight breaks to my east.  I suspect, perhaps that a
> > > phased N
> > > > Beverage might be more interesting, especially if it can help with
> > > splatter
> > > > from the rear!73,   Walt
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 9:02 PM bill [his.com]  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The ’system’ Kaz uses is two wires of dis-similar length [ratio of
> ~
> > > > > 1.3:1] spaced about an arms length apart.  Works really well and
> can
> > be
> > > > > surprisingly wide-band with a phaser.  I used to use a 350’ & 500’
> > set
> > > > in a
> > > > > park nearby.
> > > > >
> > > > > ---
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Dec 30, 2018, at 3:59 PM, Volodya S  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Chuck, I didn’t erect any DU wires this time. The Aussies were
> > heard
> > > on
> > > > > the
> > > > > > NE BoG so no promises. I’v Just set up // BoGs to experiment
> with a
> > > > > phaser.
> > > > > > 73, Walt
> > >
> > >
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Re: [IRCA] phased BoG experiment in Masset.

2019-01-08 Thread Neil Kazaross
I'd expect that to work. However, the issue is that you probably had
considerably more signal period on the amped BOG, so you need to attenuate
it to get a back null.

Ideally with these Phased BOG Systems you're looking to null back end QRM
while not reducing forward DX and hopefully the forward DX can actually
gain a couple dB signal from the combination of two antennas.

Here's an example, using the Quantum Phaser, (forgive me, Nick and Colin,
but I cannot get your phaser to work this well here and will wrap it back
up and take to P.O Saturday) KYW blasting in with 1062 TA carrier.
Reversing phase just about killed KYW to reveal XEEP and the TA carrier was
also basically gone. Mini-BOGs aimed 32 deg.  73 KAZ Barrington IL

On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 10:39 PM Volodya S  wrote:

> Bill the main amplified BoG was about 750’ long, while the parallel shorter
> non-amplified BoG was about 600’ long with the feed about 50’ from the
> primary, and the unterminated end about 100’ from the end of the primary
> BoG.  73, Walt
>
> On Monday, January 7, 2019, Neil Kazaross  wrote:
>
> > Here are Bill's loggings with this. I've never seen these higher band
> > Mexicans reported from that far east on regional channels in this day and
> > age. http://realmonitor.com/am_logs_chinquapin.php
> >
> > Walt, approx, how long were your two wires? Here in IL a mini-PBS is
> giving
> > me good results for TA's all I have is about 290 ft // 190 ft. With lots
> of
> > work, maybe I could add a couple dozen feet.  73 KAZ
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 11:55 PM Volodya S  wrote:
> >
> > > Bill, my phased array was similarly about 1.3 to 1, but more like about
> > 5'
> > > apart.   Results were occasionally very interesting, but in the end, I
> > > didn't use it very much (too much happening during TP openings).  One
> > down
> > > side was that the shorter BoG was not amplified compared to the longer
> > one,
> > > so I sensed this made a big difference in decreasing the efficacy.
> > Perhaps
> > > I'm wrong on that.  I also don't necessarily have much to the rear of
> the
> > > NW BoG once daylight breaks to my east.  I suspect, perhaps that a
> > phased N
> > > Beverage might be more interesting, especially if it can help with
> > splatter
> > > from the rear!73,   Walt
> > >
> > > On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 9:02 PM bill [his.com]  wrote:
> > >
> > > > The ’system’ Kaz uses is two wires of dis-similar length [ratio of ~
> > > > 1.3:1] spaced about an arms length apart.  Works really well and can
> be
> > > > surprisingly wide-band with a phaser.  I used to use a 350’ & 500’
> set
> > > in a
> > > > park nearby.
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > >
> > > > > On Dec 30, 2018, at 3:59 PM, Volodya S  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Chuck, I didn’t erect any DU wires this time. The Aussies were
> heard
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > > NE BoG so no promises. I’v Just set up // BoGs to experiment with a
> > > > phaser.
> > > > > 73, Walt
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [IRCA] phased BoG experiment in Masset.

2019-01-08 Thread Volodya S
Bill the main amplified BoG was about 750’ long, while the parallel shorter
non-amplified BoG was about 600’ long with the feed about 50’ from the
primary, and the unterminated end about 100’ from the end of the primary
BoG.  73, Walt

On Monday, January 7, 2019, Neil Kazaross  wrote:

> Here are Bill's loggings with this. I've never seen these higher band
> Mexicans reported from that far east on regional channels in this day and
> age. http://realmonitor.com/am_logs_chinquapin.php
>
> Walt, approx, how long were your two wires? Here in IL a mini-PBS is giving
> me good results for TA's all I have is about 290 ft // 190 ft. With lots of
> work, maybe I could add a couple dozen feet.  73 KAZ
>
> On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 11:55 PM Volodya S  wrote:
>
> > Bill, my phased array was similarly about 1.3 to 1, but more like about
> 5'
> > apart.   Results were occasionally very interesting, but in the end, I
> > didn't use it very much (too much happening during TP openings).  One
> down
> > side was that the shorter BoG was not amplified compared to the longer
> one,
> > so I sensed this made a big difference in decreasing the efficacy.
> Perhaps
> > I'm wrong on that.  I also don't necessarily have much to the rear of the
> > NW BoG once daylight breaks to my east.  I suspect, perhaps that a
> phased N
> > Beverage might be more interesting, especially if it can help with
> splatter
> > from the rear!73,   Walt
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 9:02 PM bill [his.com]  wrote:
> >
> > > The ’system’ Kaz uses is two wires of dis-similar length [ratio of ~
> > > 1.3:1] spaced about an arms length apart.  Works really well and can be
> > > surprisingly wide-band with a phaser.  I used to use a 350’ & 500’ set
> > in a
> > > park nearby.
> > >
> > > ---
> > >
> > > > On Dec 30, 2018, at 3:59 PM, Volodya S  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Chuck, I didn’t erect any DU wires this time. The Aussies were heard
> on
> > > the
> > > > NE BoG so no promises. I’v Just set up // BoGs to experiment with a
> > > phaser.
> > > > 73, Walt
>
>
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Re: [IRCA] phased BoG experiment in Masset.

2019-01-07 Thread James Renfrew
Just noted 1380 Mexico at 0559:13z with the the Mexican National Anthem, on
November 13 in Newfoundland. No idea which station, but I'd say the Mexico
City station with the highest power is the likely culprit.  This was on our
SouthWest wire, which I'm concluding is more west than south in effect.

Jim Renfrew, Clarendon NY

On Mon, Jan 7, 2019, 13:45 Neil Kazaross  Here are Bill's loggings with this. I've never seen these higher band
> Mexicans reported from that far east on regional channels in this day and
> age. http://realmonitor.com/am_logs_chinquapin.php
>
> Walt, approx, how long were your two wires? Here in IL a mini-PBS is giving
> me good results for TA's all I have is about 290 ft // 190 ft. With lots of
> work, maybe I could add a couple dozen feet.  73 KAZ
>
> On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 11:55 PM Volodya S  wrote:
>
> > Bill, my phased array was similarly about 1.3 to 1, but more like about
> 5'
> > apart.   Results were occasionally very interesting, but in the end, I
> > didn't use it very much (too much happening during TP openings).  One
> down
> > side was that the shorter BoG was not amplified compared to the longer
> one,
> > so I sensed this made a big difference in decreasing the efficacy.
> Perhaps
> > I'm wrong on that.  I also don't necessarily have much to the rear of the
> > NW BoG once daylight breaks to my east.  I suspect, perhaps that a
> phased N
> > Beverage might be more interesting, especially if it can help with
> splatter
> > from the rear!73,   Walt
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 9:02 PM bill [his.com]  wrote:
> >
> > > The ’system’ Kaz uses is two wires of dis-similar length [ratio of ~
> > > 1.3:1] spaced about an arms length apart.  Works really well and can be
> > > surprisingly wide-band with a phaser.  I used to use a 350’ & 500’ set
> > in a
> > > park nearby.
> > >
> > > ---
> > >
> > > > On Dec 30, 2018, at 3:59 PM, Volodya S  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Chuck, I didn’t erect any DU wires this time. The Aussies were heard
> on
> > > the
> > > > NE BoG so no promises. I’v Just set up // BoGs to experiment with a
> > > phaser.
> > > > 73, Walt
> > > >
> > >
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Re: [IRCA] phased BoG experiment in Masset.

2019-01-07 Thread Neil Kazaross
Bill since aiming SW I'd suggest waiting for some AUish cx.  73 KAZ

On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 1:28 PM bill [his.com]  wrote:

> Geez, that WAS fun!  May have to go over to TC Williams HS and try that
> again.  Almost as fun as bowtie-in-the-woods at the Virginia Theological
> Seminary … until they chased me out.  :-(
>
> The ‘DX van’ still exists but being on furlough I’m thinking more of a
> trip to Fleeton, VA for a DKAZ-antastic solution!
>
> ---
>
> > On Jan 7, 2019, at 1:45 PM, Neil Kazaross  wrote:
> >
> > Here are Bill's loggings with this. I've never seen these higher band
> > Mexicans reported from that far east on regional channels in this day and
> > age. http://realmonitor.com/am_logs_chinquapin.php
> >
> > Walt, approx, how long were your two wires? Here in IL a mini-PBS is
> giving
> > me good results for TA's all I have is about 290 ft // 190 ft. With lots
> of
> > work, maybe I could add a couple dozen feet.  73 KAZ
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 11:55 PM Volodya S  wrote:
> >
> >> Bill, my phased array was similarly about 1.3 to 1, but more like about
> 5'
> >> apart.   Results were occasionally very interesting, but in the end, I
> >> didn't use it very much (too much happening during TP openings).  One
> down
> >> side was that the shorter BoG was not amplified compared to the longer
> one,
> >> so I sensed this made a big difference in decreasing the efficacy.
> Perhaps
> >> I'm wrong on that.  I also don't necessarily have much to the rear of
> the
> >> NW BoG once daylight breaks to my east.  I suspect, perhaps that a
> phased N
> >> Beverage might be more interesting, especially if it can help with
> splatter
> >> from the rear!73,   Walt
> >>
> >> On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 9:02 PM bill [his.com]  wrote:
> >>
> >>> The ’system’ Kaz uses is two wires of dis-similar length [ratio of ~
> >>> 1.3:1] spaced about an arms length apart.  Works really well and can be
> >>> surprisingly wide-band with a phaser.  I used to use a 350’ & 500’ set
> >> in a
> >>> park nearby.
> >>>
> >>> ---
> >>>
>  On Dec 30, 2018, at 3:59 PM, Volodya S  wrote:
> 
>  Chuck, I didn’t erect any DU wires this time. The Aussies were heard
> on
> >>> the
>  NE BoG so no promises. I’v Just set up // BoGs to experiment with a
> >>> phaser.
>  73, Walt
> 
> >>>
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Re: [IRCA] phased BoG experiment in Masset.

2019-01-07 Thread bill [his.com]
Geez, that WAS fun!  May have to go over to TC Williams HS and try that again.  
Almost as fun as bowtie-in-the-woods at the Virginia Theological Seminary … 
until they chased me out.  :-(

The ‘DX van’ still exists but being on furlough I’m thinking more of a trip to 
Fleeton, VA for a DKAZ-antastic solution!

---

> On Jan 7, 2019, at 1:45 PM, Neil Kazaross  wrote:
> 
> Here are Bill's loggings with this. I've never seen these higher band
> Mexicans reported from that far east on regional channels in this day and
> age. http://realmonitor.com/am_logs_chinquapin.php
> 
> Walt, approx, how long were your two wires? Here in IL a mini-PBS is giving
> me good results for TA's all I have is about 290 ft // 190 ft. With lots of
> work, maybe I could add a couple dozen feet.  73 KAZ
> 
> On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 11:55 PM Volodya S  wrote:
> 
>> Bill, my phased array was similarly about 1.3 to 1, but more like about 5'
>> apart.   Results were occasionally very interesting, but in the end, I
>> didn't use it very much (too much happening during TP openings).  One down
>> side was that the shorter BoG was not amplified compared to the longer one,
>> so I sensed this made a big difference in decreasing the efficacy.  Perhaps
>> I'm wrong on that.  I also don't necessarily have much to the rear of the
>> NW BoG once daylight breaks to my east.  I suspect, perhaps that a phased N
>> Beverage might be more interesting, especially if it can help with splatter
>> from the rear!73,   Walt
>> 
>> On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 9:02 PM bill [his.com]  wrote:
>> 
>>> The ’system’ Kaz uses is two wires of dis-similar length [ratio of ~
>>> 1.3:1] spaced about an arms length apart.  Works really well and can be
>>> surprisingly wide-band with a phaser.  I used to use a 350’ & 500’ set
>> in a
>>> park nearby.
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> 
 On Dec 30, 2018, at 3:59 PM, Volodya S  wrote:
 
 Chuck, I didn’t erect any DU wires this time. The Aussies were heard on
>>> the
 NE BoG so no promises. I’v Just set up // BoGs to experiment with a
>>> phaser.
 73, Walt
 
>>> 
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Re: [IRCA] phased BoG experiment in Masset.

2019-01-07 Thread Neil Kazaross
Here are Bill's loggings with this. I've never seen these higher band
Mexicans reported from that far east on regional channels in this day and
age. http://realmonitor.com/am_logs_chinquapin.php

Walt, approx, how long were your two wires? Here in IL a mini-PBS is giving
me good results for TA's all I have is about 290 ft // 190 ft. With lots of
work, maybe I could add a couple dozen feet.  73 KAZ

On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 11:55 PM Volodya S  wrote:

> Bill, my phased array was similarly about 1.3 to 1, but more like about 5'
> apart.   Results were occasionally very interesting, but in the end, I
> didn't use it very much (too much happening during TP openings).  One down
> side was that the shorter BoG was not amplified compared to the longer one,
> so I sensed this made a big difference in decreasing the efficacy.  Perhaps
> I'm wrong on that.  I also don't necessarily have much to the rear of the
> NW BoG once daylight breaks to my east.  I suspect, perhaps that a phased N
> Beverage might be more interesting, especially if it can help with splatter
> from the rear!73,   Walt
>
> On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 9:02 PM bill [his.com]  wrote:
>
> > The ’system’ Kaz uses is two wires of dis-similar length [ratio of ~
> > 1.3:1] spaced about an arms length apart.  Works really well and can be
> > surprisingly wide-band with a phaser.  I used to use a 350’ & 500’ set
> in a
> > park nearby.
> >
> > ---
> >
> > > On Dec 30, 2018, at 3:59 PM, Volodya S  wrote:
> > >
> > > Chuck, I didn’t erect any DU wires this time. The Aussies were heard on
> > the
> > > NE BoG so no promises. I’v Just set up // BoGs to experiment with a
> > phaser.
> > > 73, Walt
> > >
> >
> >
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Re: [IRCA] phased BoG experiment in Masset.

2019-01-06 Thread Volodya S
Bill, my phased array was similarly about 1.3 to 1, but more like about 5'
apart.   Results were occasionally very interesting, but in the end, I
didn't use it very much (too much happening during TP openings).  One down
side was that the shorter BoG was not amplified compared to the longer one,
so I sensed this made a big difference in decreasing the efficacy.  Perhaps
I'm wrong on that.  I also don't necessarily have much to the rear of the
NW BoG once daylight breaks to my east.  I suspect, perhaps that a phased N
Beverage might be more interesting, especially if it can help with splatter
from the rear!73,   Walt

On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 9:02 PM bill [his.com]  wrote:

> The ’system’ Kaz uses is two wires of dis-similar length [ratio of ~
> 1.3:1] spaced about an arms length apart.  Works really well and can be
> surprisingly wide-band with a phaser.  I used to use a 350’ & 500’ set in a
> park nearby.
>
> ---
>
> > On Dec 30, 2018, at 3:59 PM, Volodya S  wrote:
> >
> > Chuck, I didn’t erect any DU wires this time. The Aussies were heard on
> the
> > NE BoG so no promises. I’v Just set up // BoGs to experiment with a
> phaser.
> > 73, Walt
> >
>
>
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