Re: [IRCA] CQ Communications & The idea of merging NRC/IRCA
Karl, Since you addressed this to me, I'll answer directly, but don't want to prolong the discussion. You've stated your viewpoint, and obviously one shared by many others articulately. You make some very valid points. Looking at it from that perspective, I can certainly respect the logic of having two clubs. As you say, it may even provide some intangible benefits to all of us that are under-appreciated. I withdraw the suggestion. 73, Les Rayburn, N1LF Proud member of both the IRCA, NRC, and the MW Circle. Like Mike, if someone else wants to start a MW Club, I'll probably join that too. :-) On 3/13/2014 4:03 PM, Karl Zuk wrote: Les: First of all, there is no problem. Both clubs are rolling right along. Both offer different things to different people. Your idea sounds like this to me: Cincinnati and Cleveland are both in Ohio - let's merge them. Huh? Second: Both clubs have very long standing and different communities of people. Yes, some people belong to both. There's nothing wrong with that. Some don't. Third: There's a distinct difference in philosophies that has always given each club its own personality. IRCA is west. NRC is east. Even more so, IRCA has a very large group of people who handle all the club tasks in a democratic way. It characterizes itself as being very fair and forthright. I really can't speak about the NRC since I have never been a member. When I think of the NRC, I see it as centralized and more formally structured. Nothing bad about it - simply a different approach. All well and fine. Cool beans. These thoughts from a former President and Board member of the IRCA (myself.) Fourth: The clubs have their differences, but they have always gotten along with civility. I joined the IRCA in 1981 and at that time joint reciprocation deals were being cut to share resources (like guide books) and to get along better. I honestly think that having two clubs has always been better than one. More is being done to support our hobby. More points of view have been shared. More has been developed. More has been published. Brilliant people have met more brilliant people. Accentuate the positive. We may be old and dying but we are all still fascinated with medium wave propagation and programming. I believe that if there are only two of us left in North America we will still trade notes. People have talked about CW this way for decades. More people use it than ever. I've saved the best for last. AM isn't going anywhere. The bandwidth is not really applicable to other technologies and is not sought for digital transmission. It will always remain as a very simple and effective way to send a wireless signal for a thousand miles or more. You need nearly nothing to pick it up - especially compared to Internet 'radio' - the most un-wireless method of transmission ever established! No other medium has this ability. Many small stations may fold, but the big boys will find a way to keep making money at it. AM is like baseball. It is simple and perfect. Les, we like being autonomous. We like being different. Is there anything wrong with that? Respectfully, Karl Zuk N2KZ *From:* Les Rayburn *To:* Mike Sanburn ; "a...@nrcdxas.org" ; "irca@hard-core-dx.com" *Sent:* Thursday, March 13, 2014 3:39 PM *Subject:* Re: [IRCA] CQ Communications & The idea of merging NRC/IRCA Honestly, I need to terminate my participation in the discussion at this point. My perception is that a few hard-liners on the BoD on one or both clubs are the ones standing in the way of what is common sense to many members. We're up to about twenty e-mails on the topic so far, and still no one can or will state what the original issues were, or how they relate today. Frankly, Mike, I'm not interested in the feelings of the Board of Directors on this issue. I'm interested in someone presenting some facts that will help me understand what the problem was, and possibly still is. If those can be articulated, I might change my point of view. Otherwise, it just looks like an entrenched position situation. As for people who "stand up for their heritage". I'm a Southerner, and proud of it. But I share no heritage with men who fought to protect an economic system that enslaved other human beings. History judged them wrong, and justly so. That the symbol of that rebellion causes people of color pain and outrage is no surprise to me. Anyone who displays it is ignorant at best, and racist at worst. And with that, I'll terminate my participation in this discussion. 73, Les Rayburn, N1LF Proud Member of both the IRCA and NRC. ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com <mailto:IRCA@hard-core-dx.com> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinf
Re: [IRCA] CQ Communications & The idea of merging NRC/IRCA
Les: First of all, there is no problem. Both clubs are rolling right along. Both offer different things to different people. Your idea sounds like this to me: Cincinnati and Cleveland are both in Ohio - let's merge them. Huh? Second: Both clubs have very long standing and different communities of people. Yes, some people belong to both. There's nothing wrong with that. Some don't. Third: There's a distinct difference in philosophies that has always given each club its own personality. IRCA is west. NRC is east. Even more so, IRCA has a very large group of people who handle all the club tasks in a democratic way. It characterizes itself as being very fair and forthright. I really can't speak about the NRC since I have never been a member. When I think of the NRC, I see it as centralized and more formally structured. Nothing bad about it - simply a different approach. All well and fine. Cool beans. These thoughts from a former President and Board member of the IRCA (myself.) Fourth: The clubs have their differences, but they have always gotten along with civility. I joined the IRCA in 1981 and at that time joint reciprocation deals were being cut to share resources (like guide books) and to get along better. I honestly think that having two clubs has always been better than one. More is being done to support our hobby. More points of view have been shared. More has been developed. More has been published. Brilliant people have met more brilliant people. Accentuate the positive. We may be old and dying but we are all still fascinated with medium wave propagation and programming. I believe that if there are only two of us left in North America we will still trade notes. People have talked about CW this way for decades. More people use it than ever. I've saved the best for last. AM isn't going anywhere. The bandwidth is not really applicable to other technologies and is not sought for digital transmission. It will always remain as a very simple and effective way to send a wireless signal for a thousand miles or more. You need nearly nothing to pick it up - especially compared to Internet 'radio' - the most un-wireless method of transmission ever established! No other medium has this ability. Many small stations may fold, but the big boys will find a way to keep making money at it. AM is like baseball. It is simple and perfect. Les, we like being autonomous. We like being different. Is there anything wrong with that? Respectfully, Karl Zuk N2KZ From: Les Rayburn To: Mike Sanburn ; "a...@nrcdxas.org" ; "irca@hard-core-dx.com" Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [IRCA] CQ Communications & The idea of merging NRC/IRCA Honestly, I need to terminate my participation in the discussion at this point. My perception is that a few hard-liners on the BoD on one or both clubs are the ones standing in the way of what is common sense to many members. We're up to about twenty e-mails on the topic so far, and still no one can or will state what the original issues were, or how they relate today. Frankly, Mike, I'm not interested in the feelings of the Board of Directors on this issue. I'm interested in someone presenting some facts that will help me understand what the problem was, and possibly still is. If those can be articulated, I might change my point of view. Otherwise, it just looks like an entrenched position situation. As for people who "stand up for their heritage". I'm a Southerner, and proud of it. But I share no heritage with men who fought to protect an economic system that enslaved other human beings. History judged them wrong, and justly so. That the symbol of that rebellion causes people of color pain and outrage is no surprise to me. Anyone who displays it is ignorant at best, and racist at worst. And with that, I'll terminate my participation in this discussion. 73, Les Rayburn, N1LF Proud Member of both the IRCA and NRC. ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] CQ Communications & The idea of merging NRC/IRCA
Have a good day Les, thanks for your theories. Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 14:39:33 -0500 From: l...@highnoonfilm.com To: mikesanb...@hotmail.com; a...@nrcdxas.org; irca@hard-core-dx.com Subject: Re: [IRCA] CQ Communications & The idea of merging NRC/IRCA Honestly, I need to terminate my participation in the discussion at this point. My perception is that a few hard-liners on the BoD on one or both clubs are the ones standing in the way of what is common sense to many members. We're up to about twenty e-mails on the topic so far, and still no one can or will state what the original issues were, or how they relate today. Frankly, Mike, I'm not interested in the feelings of the Board of Directors on this issue. I'm interested in someone presenting some facts that will help me understand what the problem was, and possibly still is. If those can be articulated, I might change my point of view. Otherwise, it just looks like an entrenched position situation. As for people who "stand up for their heritage". I'm a Southerner, and proud of it. But I share no heritage with men who fought to protect an economic system that enslaved other human beings. History judged them wrong, and justly so. That the symbol of that rebellion causes people of color pain and outrage is no surprise to me. Anyone who displays it is ignorant at best, and racist at worst. And with that, I'll terminate my participation in this discussion. 73, Les Rayburn, N1LF Proud Member of both the IRCA and NRC. ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] CQ Communications & The idea of merging NRC/IRCA
Honestly, I need to terminate my participation in the discussion at this point. My perception is that a few hard-liners on the BoD on one or both clubs are the ones standing in the way of what is common sense to many members. We're up to about twenty e-mails on the topic so far, and still no one can or will state what the original issues were, or how they relate today. Frankly, Mike, I'm not interested in the feelings of the Board of Directors on this issue. I'm interested in someone presenting some facts that will help me understand what the problem was, and possibly still is. If those can be articulated, I might change my point of view. Otherwise, it just looks like an entrenched position situation. As for people who "stand up for their heritage". I'm a Southerner, and proud of it. But I share no heritage with men who fought to protect an economic system that enslaved other human beings. History judged them wrong, and justly so. That the symbol of that rebellion causes people of color pain and outrage is no surprise to me. Anyone who displays it is ignorant at best, and racist at worst. And with that, I'll terminate my participation in this discussion. 73, Les Rayburn, N1LF Proud Member of both the IRCA and NRC. ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] CQ Communications & The idea of merging NRC/IRCA
As far as the financial point goes, it is better to have a club that offers the alternative of a $10 annual subscription for those who are on a severe budget. I'm not sure what the minimum subscription is these days for DX news, but I'm sure it is significantly higher. Perhaps by that logic, IRCA should become the parent club in the proposed merger! By the east/west comment, I don't mean to suggest that either club only focuses its attention on one region. Over the years the membership demographic has just fallen into place that way. I'm very interested in reading for instance, about the various receptions of the recent Kentucky DX test on 1450. While it is virtually impossible to log that here in CA, I still like to know that folks in many states back east did indeed pick it up. You may wish to try convincing other IRCA board members of your vision, but I believe we are all in solidarity on this. And for those who fly the Confederate flag, I support their pride in their heritage. ms > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 14:00:48 -0500 > From: l...@highnoonfilm.com > To: mikesanb...@hotmail.com; a...@nrcdxas.org; irca@hard-core-dx.com > Subject: Re: [IRCA] CQ Communications & The idea of merging NRC/IRCA > > I was honestly not aware that the IRCA focused on the West Coast, and > the NRC focused on the East Coast. Again, this may have been more > obvious at some point in the club's histories, but it's hardly the case > today. The growth of the Internet for communications have all but > removed any trace of "regionalism" from this hobby. True, I often ignore > some of the more hardcore TA and TP loggings and information, but > otherwise, I'm interested in what folks are hearing all over the country. > > I think that pooling resources would help to delay the erosion of the > hobby in several significant ways: > > 1.) Volunteer pool: Where overlap does exist, a merged club would only > need one volunteer to handle CPC duties, editorial column duties, Board > of Director duties, etc. The pool of volunteers is shrinking along with > our membership. Duplication of effort just doesn't make sense. > > 2.) Time: Think about how much time we all spend sending out duplicate > log reports or DX tips to multiple e-mail lists. The same people are > subscribed to all of them or at least most. It's unnecessary and a waste > of time. > > 3.) One Stop Shopping: A unified club would be a much stronger voice to > advocate our interests to broadcasters, the FCC, ARRL, and other > organizations that make common-sense partnerships. It would allow those > interested in the hobby to have a single source of information. > > 4.) Financial: As more members age, and begin to live on fixed incomes, > we must all take a look at our hobby expenses. Club membership is not > very expensive, but the costs are growing. Especially if you wish to > continue to receive printed publications. At some point, many of us may > be forced to "choose" which club we want to belong to. For such a small > niche hobby, should that really be necessary? > > The hobby, like the band itself, may be destined to fade away into > history--but I want to fight that battle as long as possible. What did > Lincoln say, "A house divided cannot stand"? I think it's past time to > put whatever the issues were behind us. Even now, I can't help but > notice that no one has been willing or able to even articulate what > these differences are. > > Here in the South there is a popular bumper sticker displaying the > Confederate Flag with a circle/slash drawn over it. The text reads, "We > lost. Ya'll get over it". > > It's a simple statement against those who would continue to fight the > long-forgotten Civil War, or embrace the symbols that for many also > represent pain and oppression. Being proud of your history is one thing. > Allowing it to define your future is not. > > > > -- > 73, > > > Les Rayburn, N1LF > Maylene, AL > EM63 > > Member NRC, IRCA, & Medium Wave DX Circle > Former CPC Chairman for NRC/IRCA > > Perseus SDR, SDR-IQ,Funcube Pro, Wellbrooke ALA-1530+ loop, LF > Engineering Active Whips, > Quantum Phaser, Kiwa Loop, Palstar MW Pre-Selector > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] CQ Communications & The idea of merging NRC/IRCA
I was honestly not aware that the IRCA focused on the West Coast, and the NRC focused on the East Coast. Again, this may have been more obvious at some point in the club's histories, but it's hardly the case today. The growth of the Internet for communications have all but removed any trace of "regionalism" from this hobby. True, I often ignore some of the more hardcore TA and TP loggings and information, but otherwise, I'm interested in what folks are hearing all over the country. I think that pooling resources would help to delay the erosion of the hobby in several significant ways: 1.) Volunteer pool: Where overlap does exist, a merged club would only need one volunteer to handle CPC duties, editorial column duties, Board of Director duties, etc. The pool of volunteers is shrinking along with our membership. Duplication of effort just doesn't make sense. 2.) Time: Think about how much time we all spend sending out duplicate log reports or DX tips to multiple e-mail lists. The same people are subscribed to all of them or at least most. It's unnecessary and a waste of time. 3.) One Stop Shopping: A unified club would be a much stronger voice to advocate our interests to broadcasters, the FCC, ARRL, and other organizations that make common-sense partnerships. It would allow those interested in the hobby to have a single source of information. 4.) Financial: As more members age, and begin to live on fixed incomes, we must all take a look at our hobby expenses. Club membership is not very expensive, but the costs are growing. Especially if you wish to continue to receive printed publications. At some point, many of us may be forced to "choose" which club we want to belong to. For such a small niche hobby, should that really be necessary? The hobby, like the band itself, may be destined to fade away into history--but I want to fight that battle as long as possible. What did Lincoln say, "A house divided cannot stand"? I think it's past time to put whatever the issues were behind us. Even now, I can't help but notice that no one has been willing or able to even articulate what these differences are. Here in the South there is a popular bumper sticker displaying the Confederate Flag with a circle/slash drawn over it. The text reads, "We lost. Ya'll get over it". It's a simple statement against those who would continue to fight the long-forgotten Civil War, or embrace the symbols that for many also represent pain and oppression. Being proud of your history is one thing. Allowing it to define your future is not. -- 73, Les Rayburn, N1LF Maylene, AL EM63 Member NRC, IRCA, & Medium Wave DX Circle Former CPC Chairman for NRC/IRCA Perseus SDR, SDR-IQ,Funcube Pro, Wellbrooke ALA-1530+ loop, LF Engineering Active Whips, Quantum Phaser, Kiwa Loop, Palstar MW Pre-Selector ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] CQ Communications & The idea of merging NRC/IRCA
That is a good question. I myself haven't seen one of our membership lists in years, much less one depicting dual membership. And of course it isn't a given that just because a DXer is a member of BOTH clubs they are automatically pro-merger. ms > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 14:27:34 -0400 > From: jim.renf...@gmail.com > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com > CC: a...@nrcdxas.org > Subject: Re: [IRCA] CQ Communications & The idea of merging NRC/IRCA > > I wonder what the actual membership overlap is between the two clubs? > > Jim Renfrew, Clarendon NY > > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Russ Edmunds wrote: > > > As one who was there at the time, I see no point to rehashing the issues > > beyond what Mike has already said. > > From my perspective, the same differences which caused the split in 1963 > > continue to be reflected today on > > each side, primarily in terms of how the clubs operate and what drives > > that. > > > > While all of the reasoning Les has provided is solid, as we see all over > > our world today, people and organizations > > are often driven by long-held philosophies which don't go away easily. > > Those exist and haven't really changed a > > whole lot. > > > > Russ Edmunds > > 15 mi NNW of Philadelphia > > Grid FN20id > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 3/13/14, Les Rayburn wrote: > > > > Subject: Re: [IRCA] CQ Communications & The idea of merging NRC/IRCA > > To: "Mike Sanburn" , "a...@nrcdxas.org" < > > a...@nrcdxas.org>, "irca@hard-core-dx.com" > > Date: Thursday, March 13, 2014, 2:06 PM > > > > I think the logic is pretty > > self-evident, unless someone is too close to the forest to > > see the trees. Both clubs serve a niche hobby audience, with > > declining memberships. Very few young people listen to AM > > radio at all...much less are interested in DXing it. That > > means that our membership is aging, dying, and otherwise > > shrinking. While at one time there might have been > > sufficient numbers to sustain both clubs, it's doubtful that > > can continue for much longer. > > > > While I've been a member of one or both clubs for well over > > two decades, I really have no idea what caused the split to > > begin with. Even less of idea of what could possibly be > > worthwhile enough to keep the groups apart today. I also > > disagree with Mike (who I respect a lot) that the two clubs > > have distinct personalities. If that's true, it's not > > reflected in their publications or their e-mail discussion > > forums. What I do see is a lot of duplication of information > > and the same names, largely. > > > > It's hardly a "corporate merger". The annual budget of both > > clubs wouldn't pay for my company's digital media storage. > > Let's be honest about who we are, the state of our hobby, > > and start taking a hard look at what makes sense going > > forward. > > > > Grown men shouldn't bear grudges for half a century. The > > only benefit to growing older is that wisdom sometimes comes > > with age. I've learned that forgiveness is one gift that > > benefits the giver even more than the receiver. How many > > people actively pursue MW DXing as a hobby these days? 300, > > 500, maybe a thousand? Hard to see how a group that small > > can sustain two national clubs forever. > > > > Mike is correct that the discussion about this topic comes > > up every few years. What is never articulated in those > > discussions is pretty simple: > > > > 1.) What were the issues that caused the original split? > > > > 2.) Are those issues still relevant? > > > > Or look at it another way. If someone was starting national > > clubs for a niche hobby today, would they logically try to > > create two clubs or would they judge that one was > > sufficient? Either way, I respect the opinions of those who > > disagree. I'd just really like to see those questions > > answered, in a civil manner. The last thing we need to do > > now is reopen an old wound. > > > > 73, > > > > Les Rayburn, N1LF > > Proud member of both the NRC and IRCA. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/13/2014 12:51 PM, Mike Sanburn wrote: > > > I'm not really sure by what logic that " it is long > > past time for the N.R.C. and the I.R
Re: [IRCA] CQ Communications & The idea of merging NRC/IRCA
I wonder what the actual membership overlap is between the two clubs? Jim Renfrew, Clarendon NY On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Russ Edmunds wrote: > As one who was there at the time, I see no point to rehashing the issues > beyond what Mike has already said. > From my perspective, the same differences which caused the split in 1963 > continue to be reflected today on > each side, primarily in terms of how the clubs operate and what drives > that. > > While all of the reasoning Les has provided is solid, as we see all over > our world today, people and organizations > are often driven by long-held philosophies which don't go away easily. > Those exist and haven't really changed a > whole lot. > > Russ Edmunds > 15 mi NNW of Philadelphia > Grid FN20id > > > > > ------------ > On Thu, 3/13/14, Les Rayburn wrote: > > Subject: Re: [IRCA] CQ Communications & The idea of merging NRC/IRCA > To: "Mike Sanburn" , "a...@nrcdxas.org" < > a...@nrcdxas.org>, "irca@hard-core-dx.com" > Date: Thursday, March 13, 2014, 2:06 PM > > I think the logic is pretty > self-evident, unless someone is too close to the forest to > see the trees. Both clubs serve a niche hobby audience, with > declining memberships. Very few young people listen to AM > radio at all...much less are interested in DXing it. That > means that our membership is aging, dying, and otherwise > shrinking. While at one time there might have been > sufficient numbers to sustain both clubs, it's doubtful that > can continue for much longer. > > While I've been a member of one or both clubs for well over > two decades, I really have no idea what caused the split to > begin with. Even less of idea of what could possibly be > worthwhile enough to keep the groups apart today. I also > disagree with Mike (who I respect a lot) that the two clubs > have distinct personalities. If that's true, it's not > reflected in their publications or their e-mail discussion > forums. What I do see is a lot of duplication of information > and the same names, largely. > > It's hardly a "corporate merger". The annual budget of both > clubs wouldn't pay for my company's digital media storage. > Let's be honest about who we are, the state of our hobby, > and start taking a hard look at what makes sense going > forward. > > Grown men shouldn't bear grudges for half a century. The > only benefit to growing older is that wisdom sometimes comes > with age. I've learned that forgiveness is one gift that > benefits the giver even more than the receiver. How many > people actively pursue MW DXing as a hobby these days? 300, > 500, maybe a thousand? Hard to see how a group that small > can sustain two national clubs forever. > > Mike is correct that the discussion about this topic comes > up every few years. What is never articulated in those > discussions is pretty simple: > > 1.) What were the issues that caused the original split? > > 2.) Are those issues still relevant? > > Or look at it another way. If someone was starting national > clubs for a niche hobby today, would they logically try to > create two clubs or would they judge that one was > sufficient? Either way, I respect the opinions of those who > disagree. I'd just really like to see those questions > answered, in a civil manner. The last thing we need to do > now is reopen an old wound. > > 73, > > Les Rayburn, N1LF > Proud member of both the NRC and IRCA. > > > > > > On 3/13/2014 12:51 PM, Mike Sanburn wrote: > > I'm not really sure by what logic that " it is long > past time for the N.R.C. and the I.R.C.A. to merge ". While > both are fine clubs in their own way, each has its own > distinct personality. While it was sad to say goodbye to the > printed DX Monitor, the I.R.C.A. is still a viable club with > much to offer its members. Yes there are areas that we can > have friendly interaction with other BCB DX clubs such as a > common test committee chairman or even occasional dual > conventions in the future, I see no great benefit in the two > clubs merging at the present time. This topic seems to come > up every few years. I for one would vote against a merger > unless there was a massive push FOR it within our club, and > I haven't really seen that. Folks are always welcome to > belong to both clubs concurrently. Subscription rate for > SDXM is only $10 worldwide for a year. That's a great > bargain. As I say, both are terrific clubs with a rich > history. In the corp
Re: [IRCA] CQ Communications & The idea of merging NRC/IRCA
Whatever the battle was between the two clubs way back during the Kennedy administration is now irrelevant. The fact is the split has occurred and out of it we have two different clubs. Even if all the original players have passed on or have shaken hands and made up, we have taken our separate pathways. While not by design, one seems to be a bit more East coast oriented and the other West...No it isn't a proposed merger on a corporate scale, and if both clubs are supposedly destined to die without merging, then it probably follows that they will die with the merger as well. I see nothing to gain (for IRCA and its members anyhow) by a merger. The "new" merged club (I imagine it would be called NRC) would certainly gain a few new members, while the IRCA, it's columns, and bookstore, and LOW subscription price would completely disappear. I wasn't around when the rift was happening but have heard a few bad attitudes towards IRCA at various NRC conventions I've attended in the pa! st. True that was just from an individual or two, but those things are tough to forget. I for one am happy with two clubs. In fact if someone were to try starting up a third major BCB club tomorrow, I'd likely support their cause. ms Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 13:06:03 -0500 From: l...@highnoonfilm.com To: mikesanb...@hotmail.com; a...@nrcdxas.org; irca@hard-core-dx.com Subject: Re: [IRCA] CQ Communications & The idea of merging NRC/IRCA I think the logic is pretty self-evident, unless someone is too close to the forest to see the trees. Both clubs serve a niche hobby audience, with declining memberships. Very few young people listen to AM radio at all...much less are interested in DXing it. That means that our membership is aging, dying, and otherwise shrinking. While at one time there might have been sufficient numbers to sustain both clubs, it's doubtful that can continue for much longer. While I've been a member of one or both clubs for well over two decades, I really have no idea what caused the split to begin with. Even less of idea of what could possibly be worthwhile enough to keep the groups apart today. I also disagree with Mike (who I respect a lot) that the two clubs have distinct personalities. If that's true, it's not reflected in their publications or their e-mail discussion forums. What I do see is a lot of duplication of information and the same names, largely. It's hardly a "corporate merger". The annual budget of both clubs wouldn't pay for my company's digital media storage. Let's be honest about who we are, the state of our hobby, and start taking a hard look at what makes sense going forward. Grown men shouldn't bear grudges for half a century. The only benefit to growing older is that wisdom sometimes comes with age. I've learned that forgiveness is one gift that benefits the giver even more than the receiver. How many people actively pursue MW DXing as a hobby these days? 300, 500, maybe a thousand? Hard to see how a group that small can sustain two national clubs forever. Mike is correct that the discussion about this topic comes up every few years. What is never articulated in those discussions is pretty simple: 1.) What were the issues that caused the original split? 2.) Are those issues still relevant? Or look at it another way. If someone was starting national clubs for a niche hobby today, would they logically try to create two clubs or would they judge that one was sufficient? Either way, I respect the opinions of those who disagree. I'd just really like to see those questions answered, in a civil manner. The last thing we need to do now is reopen an old wound. 73, Les Rayburn, N1LF Proud member of both the NRC and IRCA. On 3/13/2014 12:51 PM, Mike Sanburn wrote: I'm not really sure by what logic that " it is long past time for the N.R.C. and the I.R.C.A. to merge ". While both are fine clubs in their own way, each has its own distinct personality. While it was sad to say goodbye to the printed DX Monitor, the I.R.C.A. is still a viable club with much to offer its members. Yes there are areas that we can have friendly interaction with other BCB DX clubs such as a common test committee chairman or even occasional dual conventions in the future, I see no great benefit in the two clubs merging at the present time. This topic seems to come up every few years. I fo
Re: [IRCA] CQ Communications & The idea of merging NRC/IRCA
As one who was there at the time, I see no point to rehashing the issues beyond what Mike has already said. >From my perspective, the same differences which caused the split in 1963 >continue to be reflected today on each side, primarily in terms of how the clubs operate and what drives that. While all of the reasoning Les has provided is solid, as we see all over our world today, people and organizations are often driven by long-held philosophies which don't go away easily. Those exist and haven't really changed a whole lot. Russ Edmunds 15 mi NNW of Philadelphia Grid FN20id On Thu, 3/13/14, Les Rayburn wrote: Subject: Re: [IRCA] CQ Communications & The idea of merging NRC/IRCA To: "Mike Sanburn" , "a...@nrcdxas.org" , "irca@hard-core-dx.com" Date: Thursday, March 13, 2014, 2:06 PM I think the logic is pretty self-evident, unless someone is too close to the forest to see the trees. Both clubs serve a niche hobby audience, with declining memberships. Very few young people listen to AM radio at all...much less are interested in DXing it. That means that our membership is aging, dying, and otherwise shrinking. While at one time there might have been sufficient numbers to sustain both clubs, it's doubtful that can continue for much longer. While I've been a member of one or both clubs for well over two decades, I really have no idea what caused the split to begin with. Even less of idea of what could possibly be worthwhile enough to keep the groups apart today. I also disagree with Mike (who I respect a lot) that the two clubs have distinct personalities. If that's true, it's not reflected in their publications or their e-mail discussion forums. What I do see is a lot of duplication of information and the same names, largely. It's hardly a "corporate merger". The annual budget of both clubs wouldn't pay for my company's digital media storage. Let's be honest about who we are, the state of our hobby, and start taking a hard look at what makes sense going forward. Grown men shouldn't bear grudges for half a century. The only benefit to growing older is that wisdom sometimes comes with age. I've learned that forgiveness is one gift that benefits the giver even more than the receiver. How many people actively pursue MW DXing as a hobby these days? 300, 500, maybe a thousand? Hard to see how a group that small can sustain two national clubs forever. Mike is correct that the discussion about this topic comes up every few years. What is never articulated in those discussions is pretty simple: 1.) What were the issues that caused the original split? 2.) Are those issues still relevant? Or look at it another way. If someone was starting national clubs for a niche hobby today, would they logically try to create two clubs or would they judge that one was sufficient? Either way, I respect the opinions of those who disagree. I'd just really like to see those questions answered, in a civil manner. The last thing we need to do now is reopen an old wound. 73, Les Rayburn, N1LF Proud member of both the NRC and IRCA. On 3/13/2014 12:51 PM, Mike Sanburn wrote: > I'm not really sure by what logic that " it is long past time for the N.R.C. and the I.R.C.A. to merge ". While both are fine clubs in their own way, each has its own distinct personality. While it was sad to say goodbye to the printed DX Monitor, the I.R.C.A. is still a viable club with much to offer its members. Yes there are areas that we can have friendly interaction with other BCB DX clubs such as a common test committee chairman or even occasional dual conventions in the future, I see no great benefit in the two clubs merging at the present time. This topic seems to come up every few years. I for one would vote against a merger unless there was a massive push FOR it within our club, and I haven't really seen that. Folks are always welcome to belong to both clubs concurrently. Subscription rate for SDXM is only $10 worldwide for a year. That's a great bargain. As I say, both are terrific clubs with a rich history. In the corporate world we've seen many mergers in recent decades and usually they lead to higher prices, less competition and creativity, job losses, etc > > Mike Sanburn KG6LJU > > > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 12:14:54 -0500 > > From: l...@highnoonfilm.com > > To: a...@nrcdxas.org; irca@hard-core-dx.com > > Subject: [IRCA] CQ Communications & The idea of merging NRC/IRCA > > > > Discussions over the past few days regarding the demise of print media > > in niche hobby markets, along with decisions to go "all digital" by > > organizations like the WTFDA, have als
Re: [IRCA] CQ Communications & The idea of merging NRC/IRCA
I was also, and I largely agree that in fact the same primary issues remain on each side, largely untouched by time and by the changes in the 'prime movers'. Ultimately, that question will be driven ( note I don't say decided ) by the lack of individuals who wish to put in the time to do columns or to publish even an e-zine. At that point it becomes a matter of efficiency and survival. Russ Edmunds 15 mi NNW of Philadelphia Grid FN20id On Thu, 3/13/14, John Sampson wrote: Subject: Re: [IRCA] CQ Communications & The idea of merging NRC/IRCA To: l...@highnoonfilm.com, "Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America" Date: Thursday, March 13, 2014, 1:51 PM I was a very active DXer when the NRC/IRCA split occurred, knew quite a few of the people on both sides quite well and, in general, (50 years is a long time ago) remember the reasons for the split. The split, itself, was extremely acrimonious and has caused many hard feelings on both sides for many years. I suspect there's still a very strong difference of opinion about the Club's structures that would inhibit any thought of a merge. As a side note, the joint convention in Minneapolis last year was a start for reconciliation. The joint convention idea was met with positive feelings from attendees from both clubs and hope was expressed that such joint conventions would continue. Evidently, for some reason, the joint convention concept fell by the wayside this year, which is too bad and which doesn't auger well. It will be interesting to see what happens but I'm not holding my breath. - John On Mar 13, 2014, at 12:14 PM, Les Rayburn wrote: > Discussions over the past few days regarding the demise of print media in niche hobby markets, along with decisions to go "all digital" by organizations like the WTFDA, have also > rekindled interest in the idea that it is long past time for the National Radio Club and the International Radio Club of America to merge. > > Whatever happened in 1961 (a year before I was born) is ancient history--and I suspect has little or no bearing on how the organizations function today. With a shrinking pool of hobbyists, it only makes sense for the two clubs to strongly consider pooling their resources. > > For years, I served as the CPC Chairman for both clubs. During my tenure, representing both clubs was never an issue. Many of us have been members in both clubs for a long time, and I don't really detect any differences in how they approach the role. > > My personal request to the BoD of both clubs would be to explore and strongly consider the advantages of merging into a single club. Pooling resources, and better position our hobby for long-term survival. > > > -- > 73, > > > Les Rayburn, N1LF > Maylene, AL > EM63 > > Member NRC, IRCA, & Medium Wave DX Circle > Former CPC Chairman for NRC/IRCA > > Perseus SDR, SDR-IQ,Funcube Pro, Wellbrooke ALA-1530+ loop, LF Engineering Active Whips, > Quantum Phaser, Kiwa Loop, Palstar MW Pre-Selector > > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] CQ Communications & The idea of merging NRC/IRCA
Russ Edmunds 15 mi NNW of Philadelphia Grid FN20id AM: Modified Sony ICF 2010's barefoot FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder; Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 2); modified Sony ICF2010 w/APS9B @ 15'; Grundig G8 w/whip; modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip On Thu, 3/13/14, John Sampson wrote: Subject: Re: [IRCA] CQ Communications & The idea of merging NRC/IRCA To: l...@highnoonfilm.com, "Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America" Date: Thursday, March 13, 2014, 1:51 PM I was a very active DXer when the NRC/IRCA split occurred, knew quite a few of the people on both sides quite well and, in general, (50 years is a long time ago) remember the reasons for the split. The split, itself, was extremely acrimonious and has caused many hard feelings on both sides for many years. I suspect there's still a very strong difference of opinion about the Club's structures that would inhibit any thought of a merge. As a side note, the joint convention in Minneapolis last year was a start for reconciliation. The joint convention idea was met with positive feelings from attendees from both clubs and hope was expressed that such joint conventions would continue. Evidently, for some reason, the joint convention concept fell by the wayside this year, which is too bad and which doesn't auger well. It will be interesting to see what happens but I'm not holding my breath. - John On Mar 13, 2014, at 12:14 PM, Les Rayburn wrote: > Discussions over the past few days regarding the demise of print media in niche hobby markets, along with decisions to go "all digital" by organizations like the WTFDA, have also > rekindled interest in the idea that it is long past time for the National Radio Club and the International Radio Club of America to merge. > > Whatever happened in 1961 (a year before I was born) is ancient history--and I suspect has little or no bearing on how the organizations function today. With a shrinking pool of hobbyists, it only makes sense for the two clubs to strongly consider pooling their resources. > > For years, I served as the CPC Chairman for both clubs. During my tenure, representing both clubs was never an issue. Many of us have been members in both clubs for a long time, and I don't really detect any differences in how they approach the role. > > My personal request to the BoD of both clubs would be to explore and strongly consider the advantages of merging into a single club. Pooling resources, and better position our hobby for long-term survival. > > > -- > 73, > > > Les Rayburn, N1LF > Maylene, AL > EM63 > > Member NRC, IRCA, & Medium Wave DX Circle > Former CPC Chairman for NRC/IRCA > > Perseus SDR, SDR-IQ,Funcube Pro, Wellbrooke ALA-1530+ loop, LF Engineering Active Whips, > Quantum Phaser, Kiwa Loop, Palstar MW Pre-Selector > > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] CQ Communications & The idea of merging NRC/IRCA
The joint convention in 2013 (which I supported by the way) was somewhat experimental for IRCA. It was not intended to mean that all conventions from that point on would be dual or triple. It is not out of the question that we might team up again in the future, however, each convention and the way it is structured is entirely up to the person(s) who bid for it and what they are willing handle. The logistics for having a extra large convention can be staggering (as can be the price). IRCA for instance likes to have radio station tours during their annual convention, but it seems that NRC conventions have strayed away from that concept. 2014 will be our 50th anniversary and the idea is to have our own unique IRCA convention this year. ms > From: jnsamp...@earthlink.net > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 12:51:08 -0500 > To: l...@highnoonfilm.com; irca@hard-core-dx.com > Subject: Re: [IRCA] CQ Communications & The idea of merging NRC/IRCA > > I was a very active DXer when the NRC/IRCA split occurred, knew quite a few > of the people on both sides quite well and, in general, (50 years is a long > time ago) remember the reasons for the split. The split, itself, was > extremely acrimonious and has caused many hard feelings on both sides for > many years. I suspect there's still a very strong difference of opinion > about the Club's structures that would inhibit any thought of a merge. As a > side note, the joint convention in Minneapolis last year was a start for > reconciliation. The joint convention idea was met with positive feelings > from attendees from both clubs and hope was expressed that such joint > conventions would continue. Evidently, for some reason, the joint convention > concept fell by the wayside this year, which is too bad and which doesn't > auger well. It will be interesting to see what happens but I'm not holding > my breath. - John > > > > On Mar 13, 2014, at 12:14 PM, Les Rayburn wrote: > > > Discussions over the past few days regarding the demise of print media in > > niche hobby markets, along with decisions to go "all digital" by > > organizations like the WTFDA, have also > > rekindled interest in the idea that it is long past time for the National > > Radio Club and the International Radio Club of America to merge. > > > > Whatever happened in 1961 (a year before I was born) is ancient > > history--and I suspect has little or no bearing on how the organizations > > function today. With a shrinking pool of hobbyists, it only makes sense for > > the two clubs to strongly consider pooling their resources. > > > > For years, I served as the CPC Chairman for both clubs. During my tenure, > > representing both clubs was never an issue. Many of us have been members in > > both clubs for a long time, and I don't really detect any differences in > > how they approach the role. > > > > My personal request to the BoD of both clubs would be to explore and > > strongly consider the advantages of merging into a single club. Pooling > > resources, and better position our hobby for long-term survival. > > > > > > -- > > 73, > > > > > > Les Rayburn, N1LF > > Maylene, AL > > EM63 > > > > Member NRC, IRCA, & Medium Wave DX Circle > > Former CPC Chairman for NRC/IRCA > > > > Perseus SDR, SDR-IQ,Funcube Pro, Wellbrooke ALA-1530+ loop, LF Engineering > > Active Whips, > > Quantum Phaser, Kiwa Loop, Palstar MW Pre-Selector > > > > ___ > > IRCA mailing list > > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > > > > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original > contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its > editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] CQ Communications & The idea of merging NRC/IRCA
I think the logic is pretty self-evident, unless someone is too close to the forest to see the trees. Both clubs serve a niche hobby audience, with declining memberships. Very few young people listen to AM radio at all...much less are interested in DXing it. That means that our membership is aging, dying, and otherwise shrinking. While at one time there might have been sufficient numbers to sustain both clubs, it's doubtful that can continue for much longer. While I've been a member of one or both clubs for well over two decades, I really have no idea what caused the split to begin with. Even less of idea of what could possibly be worthwhile enough to keep the groups apart today. I also disagree with Mike (who I respect a lot) that the two clubs have distinct personalities. If that's true, it's not reflected in their publications or their e-mail discussion forums. What I do see is a lot of duplication of information and the same names, largely. It's hardly a "corporate merger". The annual budget of both clubs wouldn't pay for my company's digital media storage. Let's be honest about who we are, the state of our hobby, and start taking a hard look at what makes sense going forward. Grown men shouldn't bear grudges for half a century. The only benefit to growing older is that wisdom sometimes comes with age. I've learned that forgiveness is one gift that benefits the giver even more than the receiver. How many people actively pursue MW DXing as a hobby these days? 300, 500, maybe a thousand? Hard to see how a group that small can sustain two national clubs forever. Mike is correct that the discussion about this topic comes up every few years. What is never articulated in those discussions is pretty simple: 1.) What were the issues that caused the original split? 2.) Are those issues still relevant? Or look at it another way. If someone was starting national clubs for a niche hobby today, would they logically try to create two clubs or would they judge that one was sufficient? Either way, I respect the opinions of those who disagree. I'd just really like to see those questions answered, in a civil manner. The last thing we need to do now is reopen an old wound. 73, Les Rayburn, N1LF Proud member of both the NRC and IRCA. On 3/13/2014 12:51 PM, Mike Sanburn wrote: I'm not really sure by what logic that " it is long past time for the N.R.C. and the I.R.C.A. to merge ". While both are fine clubs in their own way, each has its own distinct personality. While it was sad to say goodbye to the printed DX Monitor, the I.R.C.A. is still a viable club with much to offer its members. Yes there are areas that we can have friendly interaction with other BCB DX clubs such as a common test committee chairman or even occasional dual conventions in the future, I see no great benefit in the two clubs merging at the present time. This topic seems to come up every few years. I for one would vote against a merger unless there was a massive push FOR it within our club, and I haven't really seen that. Folks are always welcome to belong to both clubs concurrently. Subscription rate for SDXM is only $10 worldwide for a year. That's a great bargain. As I say, both are terrific clubs with a rich history. In the corporate world we've seen many mergers in recent decades and usually they lead to higher prices, less competition and creativity, job losses, etc Mike Sanburn KG6LJU > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 12:14:54 -0500 > From: l...@highnoonfilm.com > To: a...@nrcdxas.org; irca@hard-core-dx.com > Subject: [IRCA] CQ Communications & The idea of merging NRC/IRCA > > Discussions over the past few days regarding the demise of print media > in niche hobby markets, along with decisions to go "all digital" by > organizations like the WTFDA, have also > rekindled interest in the idea that it is long past time for the > National Radio Club and the International Radio Club of America to merge. > > Whatever happened in 1961 (a year before I was born) is ancient > history--and I suspect has little or no bearing on how the organizations > function today. With a shrinking pool of hobbyists, it only makes sense > for the two clubs to strongly consider pooling their resources. > > For years, I served as the CPC Chairman for both clubs. During my > tenure, representing both clubs was never an issue. Many of us have been > members in both clubs for a long time, and I don't really detect any > differences in how they approach the role. > > My personal request to the BoD of both clubs would be to explore and > strongly consider the advantages of merging into a single club. Pooling > resources, and better position our hobby for long-term survival. > > > -- > 73, > > > Les Rayburn, N1LF > Maylene, AL > EM63 > > Member NRC, IRCA, & Medium Wave DX Circle > Former CPC Chairman for NRC/IRCA > > Perseus SDR, SDR-IQ,Funcube Pro, Wellbrooke ALA-1530+ loop, LF > Engineering Active Whips, > Quant
Re: [IRCA] CQ Communications & The idea of merging NRC/IRCA
I was a very active DXer when the NRC/IRCA split occurred, knew quite a few of the people on both sides quite well and, in general, (50 years is a long time ago) remember the reasons for the split. The split, itself, was extremely acrimonious and has caused many hard feelings on both sides for many years. I suspect there's still a very strong difference of opinion about the Club's structures that would inhibit any thought of a merge. As a side note, the joint convention in Minneapolis last year was a start for reconciliation. The joint convention idea was met with positive feelings from attendees from both clubs and hope was expressed that such joint conventions would continue. Evidently, for some reason, the joint convention concept fell by the wayside this year, which is too bad and which doesn't auger well. It will be interesting to see what happens but I'm not holding my breath. - John On Mar 13, 2014, at 12:14 PM, Les Rayburn wrote: > Discussions over the past few days regarding the demise of print media in > niche hobby markets, along with decisions to go "all digital" by > organizations like the WTFDA, have also > rekindled interest in the idea that it is long past time for the National > Radio Club and the International Radio Club of America to merge. > > Whatever happened in 1961 (a year before I was born) is ancient history--and > I suspect has little or no bearing on how the organizations function today. > With a shrinking pool of hobbyists, it only makes sense for the two clubs to > strongly consider pooling their resources. > > For years, I served as the CPC Chairman for both clubs. During my tenure, > representing both clubs was never an issue. Many of us have been members in > both clubs for a long time, and I don't really detect any differences in how > they approach the role. > > My personal request to the BoD of both clubs would be to explore and strongly > consider the advantages of merging into a single club. Pooling resources, and > better position our hobby for long-term survival. > > > -- > 73, > > > Les Rayburn, N1LF > Maylene, AL > EM63 > > Member NRC, IRCA, & Medium Wave DX Circle > Former CPC Chairman for NRC/IRCA > > Perseus SDR, SDR-IQ,Funcube Pro, Wellbrooke ALA-1530+ loop, LF Engineering > Active Whips, > Quantum Phaser, Kiwa Loop, Palstar MW Pre-Selector > > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original > contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its > editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] CQ Communications & The idea of merging NRC/IRCA
I'm not really sure by what logic that " it is long past time for the N.R.C. and the I.R.C.A. to merge ". While both are fine clubs in their own way, each has its own distinct personality. While it was sad to say goodbye to the printed DX Monitor, the I.R.C.A. is still a viable club with much to offer its members. Yes there are areas that we can have friendly interaction with other BCB DX clubs such as a common test committee chairman or even occasional dual conventions in the future, I see no great benefit in the two clubs merging at the present time. This topic seems to come up every few years. I for one would vote against a merger unless there was a massive push FOR it within our club, and I haven't really seen that. Folks are always welcome to belong to both clubs concurrently. Subscription rate for SDXM is only $10 worldwide for a year. That's a great bargain. As I say, both are terrific clubs with a rich history. In the corporate world we've seen many mergers in recent! decades and usually they lead to higher prices, less competition and creativity, job losses, etc Mike Sanburn KG6LJU > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 12:14:54 -0500 > From: l...@highnoonfilm.com > To: a...@nrcdxas.org; irca@hard-core-dx.com > Subject: [IRCA] CQ Communications & The idea of merging NRC/IRCA > > Discussions over the past few days regarding the demise of print media > in niche hobby markets, along with decisions to go "all digital" by > organizations like the WTFDA, have also > rekindled interest in the idea that it is long past time for the > National Radio Club and the International Radio Club of America to merge. > > Whatever happened in 1961 (a year before I was born) is ancient > history--and I suspect has little or no bearing on how the organizations > function today. With a shrinking pool of hobbyists, it only makes sense > for the two clubs to strongly consider pooling their resources. > > For years, I served as the CPC Chairman for both clubs. During my > tenure, representing both clubs was never an issue. Many of us have been > members in both clubs for a long time, and I don't really detect any > differences in how they approach the role. > > My personal request to the BoD of both clubs would be to explore and > strongly consider the advantages of merging into a single club. Pooling > resources, and better position our hobby for long-term survival. > > > -- > 73, > > > Les Rayburn, N1LF > Maylene, AL > EM63 > > Member NRC, IRCA, & Medium Wave DX Circle > Former CPC Chairman for NRC/IRCA > > Perseus SDR, SDR-IQ,Funcube Pro, Wellbrooke ALA-1530+ loop, LF > Engineering Active Whips, > Quantum Phaser, Kiwa Loop, Palstar MW Pre-Selector > > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original > contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its > editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] CQ Communications & The idea of merging NRC/IRCA
Hi All! Really interesting post. Relevant widely. Am posting this on couple of Asian FB Group of Radio Enthusiasts. With kind regards, Vy 73 Sudipta Ghose/ VU3TKG On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Les Rayburn wrote: > Discussions over the past few days regarding the demise of print media in > niche hobby markets, along with decisions to go "all digital" by > organizations like the WTFDA, have also > rekindled interest in the idea that it is long past time for the National > Radio Club and the International Radio Club of America to merge. > > Whatever happened in 1961 (a year before I was born) is ancient > history--and I suspect has little or no bearing on how the organizations > function today. With a shrinking pool of hobbyists, it only makes sense for > the two clubs to strongly consider pooling their resources. > > For years, I served as the CPC Chairman for both clubs. During my tenure, > representing both clubs was never an issue. Many of us have been members in > both clubs for a long time, and I don't really detect any differences in > how they approach the role. > > My personal request to the BoD of both clubs would be to explore and > strongly consider the advantages of merging into a single club. Pooling > resources, and better position our hobby for long-term survival. > > > -- > 73, > > > Les Rayburn, N1LF > Maylene, AL > EM63 > > Member NRC, IRCA, & Medium Wave DX Circle > Former CPC Chairman for NRC/IRCA > > Perseus SDR, SDR-IQ,Funcube Pro, Wellbrooke ALA-1530+ loop, LF Engineering > Active Whips, > Quantum Phaser, Kiwa Loop, Palstar MW Pre-Selector > > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > -- One of those ... ... ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
