Re: [IRCA] DKAZ and Flag data
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I concur: the PDF presentation of the data saved me time since I was about to
paste it into Excel, or rather its Open Office clone, here.
The 18 x 18 ft. corner fed loop (a.k.a. SuperLoop?) does look pretty good.
I've always had pretty good luck at the shore with a 6.6 x 6.6 ft. (2x2m)
"micro SuperLoop" on the car roof:
https://www.qsl.net/wa1ion/loop/car_roof_loop.htm
Admittedly something that small needs a lot of amp gain but, remarkably, it
gets almost as much DX as a larger antenna of similar shape, at least at a high
signal level seashore site.
A bigger SuperLoop I used here a long time for South American / Caribbean DX
was 10m vertical by 11m horizontal (33 x 36 ft.); peak 165 deg., null 345 deg.
So also an almost-square shape. Amplification not usually required.
This provided good back nulls with only a bit of termination resistance
tweaking needed across the band. Presently it is out of service because of
tree damage during a storm a few months back. Something similar will go back
up before long. The larger peak-east / null-west SuperLoop is what I having
been using most of the time except for occasional smaller temporary test
antennas,
Customarily, going back to the first articles on the Ewe in QST ('90s),
antennas in the Ewe / Flag / SuperLoop family were spec'ed with a horizontal
dimension about double the vertical one. But width to height ratios less than
2 seem to work fine, as noted above.
Kaz deltas are usually specified with width 3 to 4 times height but in testing
at my former Billerica, MA QTH I successfully used ones with that ratio closer
to 2.
Of course the DKAZ does better than single loop designs in terms of a wider
null zone. The penalty is that you need a lot more space, something many of us
don't have, so we may need to resort to one-frequency-at-a-time phasing to take
down the worst pests.
Mark Connelly, WA1ION
South Yarmouth, MA
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Thanks for reformatting and posting this, Nick! The 18 X 18 corner fed loop
looks better than I expected; I may try this with a FLG100LN in the limited
space I'll have at Cape Lookout in a few days.
73,
Guy Atkins
Puyallup, WA
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Re: [IRCA] DKAZ and Flag data
--- Begin Message --- Thanks for running the simulations Chuck. Thanks for the formatting assist Nick. That’s great stuff! Craig Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 25, 2018, at 3:26 PM, Chuck Hutton wrote: > > Bill - > > > I'll try to get around to it shortly, even if I am sick of running the > simulations. > > > Chuck > > > > From: IRCA on behalf of bill [his.com] > > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 1:43 PM > To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America > Subject: Re: [IRCA] DKAZ and Flag data > > Thanks for running this Chuck and to Nick for making the results readable. > > I’ll repeat a request I made a few days ago - any chance of adding a column > for 1MHz? > > My impression is that there is not a linear degradation in gain on the DKAZ > but that it falls off more rapidly below 700 or 800 kHz. Therefore I’m > betting a run at 1MHz would have similar values to that at 1.5MHz. > > Bill Whitacre > > --- > >> On Oct 25, 2018, at 3:37 PM, Nick Hall-Patch wrote: >> >> I've posted Chuck's tabulated results at >> >> http://www3.telus.net/public/shallpat/4all/DKAZ_and_flag_size_comparisons.pdf >> >> Hate to think of the work he has put into this going to waste because of the >> mail limitation. It's good information, and this has been a really >> worthwhile discussion. >> >> best wishes, >> >> Nick >> >> >> >> At 18:40 2018-10-25, Chuck Hutton wrote: >>> Here's an updated data set on the DKAZ and Corner Fed Loop. >>> >>> >>> DKAZ >>> LENGTH .5 MHZ GAIN 1.5 MHZ GAIN.5 MHZ F/B >>> AND TERM1.5 MHZ F/B >>> AND TERMRDF .5 MHZ RDF 1.5 MHZ 3 DB WIDTH >>> (.5 and 1.5 MHZ) 6 DB WIDTH >>> (.5 and 1.5 MHZ) >>> 100 -61.1 -34.6 35.1 (1150) 47.3 (1100) 8.9 7.9 99 >>> / 101140 / 150 >>> 120 -58 -31.8 42 32.5 >>> 140 -55.4 -29.5 37.430.7 >>> 160 -53.2 -27.5 39.4 (1000) 26.5 (1100) 8.7 7 97 >>> / 102140 / 140 >>> 180 -51.2 -26.8 44.822.2 >>> 200 -49.5 -24.2 45.2 (1500) 19.1 (1500) 8.6 11.23 96 >>> / 106140 / 150 >>> CORNER FED LOOP >>> 18 x 18 -52.5 -34.1 46.5 (1000) 43.7 (1025 or 1050) 8.5 8.7 >>> 150 / 151 190 / 200 >>> 18 x 36 -47 -28.7 36.6 (1150) 30.4 (1150) >>> 25 x 50 -42.4 -24.2 35.8 (1175) 27.6(1225) 7.7 7.7 146 >>> / 150 200 / 200 >>> >>> ___ >>> IRCA mailing list >>> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com >>> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca >>> >>> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the >>> original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the >>> IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers >>> >>> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org >>> >>> To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com >> >> Nick Hall-Patch >> Victoria, BC >> Canada >> ___ >> IRCA mailing list >> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com >> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca >> >> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the >> original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the >> IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers >> >> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org >> >> To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com >> > > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original > contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its > editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original > contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its > editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > --- End Message --- ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] DKAZ and Flag data
--- Begin Message --- Guy, Here's hoping you have a great time at Cape Lookout and that current conditions continue through your stay! I have two collapsible 20 ft. fiberglass fishing poles. 18' x 18' Corner fed loop, hmmm. Craig BarnesWheat Ridge, CO On Thursday, October 25, 2018, 5:31:22 PM MDT, Guy Atkins wrote: Thanks for reformatting and posting this, Nick! The 18 X 18 corner fed loop looks better than I expected; I may try this with a FLG100LN in the limited space I'll have at Cape Lookout in a few days. 73, Guy Atkins Puyallup, WA ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com --- End Message --- ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] DKAZ and Flag data
Thanks for reformatting and posting this, Nick! The 18 X 18 corner fed loop looks better than I expected; I may try this with a FLG100LN in the limited space I'll have at Cape Lookout in a few days. 73, Guy Atkins Puyallup, WA ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] DKAZ and Flag data
Bill - I'll try to get around to it shortly, even if I am sick of running the simulations. Chuck From: IRCA on behalf of bill [his.com] Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 1:43 PM To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America Subject: Re: [IRCA] DKAZ and Flag data Thanks for running this Chuck and to Nick for making the results readable. I’ll repeat a request I made a few days ago - any chance of adding a column for 1MHz? My impression is that there is not a linear degradation in gain on the DKAZ but that it falls off more rapidly below 700 or 800 kHz. Therefore I’m betting a run at 1MHz would have similar values to that at 1.5MHz. Bill Whitacre --- > On Oct 25, 2018, at 3:37 PM, Nick Hall-Patch wrote: > > I've posted Chuck's tabulated results at > > http://www3.telus.net/public/shallpat/4all/DKAZ_and_flag_size_comparisons.pdf > > Hate to think of the work he has put into this going to waste because of the > mail limitation. It's good information, and this has been a really > worthwhile discussion. > > best wishes, > > Nick > > > > At 18:40 2018-10-25, Chuck Hutton wrote: >> Here's an updated data set on the DKAZ and Corner Fed Loop. >> >> >> DKAZ >> LENGTH .5 MHZ GAIN 1.5 MHZ GAIN.5 MHZ F/B >> AND TERM1.5 MHZ F/B >> AND TERMRDF .5 MHZ RDF 1.5 MHZ 3 DB WIDTH >> (.5 and 1.5 MHZ) 6 DB WIDTH >> (.5 and 1.5 MHZ) >> 100 -61.1 -34.6 35.1 (1150) 47.3 (1100) 8.9 7.9 99 / >> 101140 / 150 >> 120 -58 -31.8 42 32.5 >> 140 -55.4 -29.5 37.430.7 >> 160 -53.2 -27.5 39.4 (1000) 26.5 (1100) 8.7 7 97 / >> 102140 / 140 >> 180 -51.2 -26.8 44.822.2 >> 200 -49.5 -24.2 45.2 (1500) 19.1 (1500) 8.6 11.23 96 / >> 106140 / 150 >> CORNER FED LOOP >> 18 x 18 -52.5 -34.1 46.5 (1000) 43.7 (1025 or 1050) 8.5 8.7 >>150 / 151 190 / 200 >> 18 x 36 -47 -28.7 36.6 (1150) 30.4 (1150) >> 25 x 50 -42.4 -24.2 35.8 (1175) 27.6(1225) 7.7 7.7 146 >> / 150 200 / 200 >> >> ___ >> IRCA mailing list >> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com >> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca >> >> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the >> original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the >> IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers >> >> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org >> >> To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > Nick Hall-Patch > Victoria, BC > Canada > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original > contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its > editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] DKAZ and Flag data
Thanks for running this Chuck and to Nick for making the results readable. I’ll repeat a request I made a few days ago - any chance of adding a column for 1MHz? My impression is that there is not a linear degradation in gain on the DKAZ but that it falls off more rapidly below 700 or 800 kHz. Therefore I’m betting a run at 1MHz would have similar values to that at 1.5MHz. Bill Whitacre --- > On Oct 25, 2018, at 3:37 PM, Nick Hall-Patch wrote: > > I've posted Chuck's tabulated results at > > http://www3.telus.net/public/shallpat/4all/DKAZ_and_flag_size_comparisons.pdf > > Hate to think of the work he has put into this going to waste because of the > mail limitation. It's good information, and this has been a really > worthwhile discussion. > > best wishes, > > Nick > > > > At 18:40 2018-10-25, Chuck Hutton wrote: >> Here's an updated data set on the DKAZ and Corner Fed Loop. >> >> >> DKAZ >> LENGTH .5 MHZ GAIN 1.5 MHZ GAIN.5 MHZ F/B >> AND TERM1.5 MHZ F/B >> AND TERMRDF .5 MHZ RDF 1.5 MHZ 3 DB WIDTH >> (.5 and 1.5 MHZ) 6 DB WIDTH >> (.5 and 1.5 MHZ) >> 100 -61.1 -34.6 35.1 (1150) 47.3 (1100) 8.9 7.9 99 / >> 101140 / 150 >> 120 -58 -31.8 42 32.5 >> 140 -55.4 -29.5 37.430.7 >> 160 -53.2 -27.5 39.4 (1000) 26.5 (1100) 8.7 7 97 / >> 102140 / 140 >> 180 -51.2 -26.8 44.822.2 >> 200 -49.5 -24.2 45.2 (1500) 19.1 (1500) 8.6 11.23 96 / >> 106140 / 150 >> CORNER FED LOOP >> 18 x 18 -52.5 -34.1 46.5 (1000) 43.7 (1025 or 1050) 8.5 8.7 >>150 / 151 190 / 200 >> 18 x 36 -47 -28.7 36.6 (1150) 30.4 (1150) >> 25 x 50 -42.4 -24.2 35.8 (1175) 27.6(1225) 7.7 7.7 146 >> / 150 200 / 200 >> >> ___ >> IRCA mailing list >> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com >> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca >> >> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the >> original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the >> IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers >> >> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org >> >> To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > Nick Hall-Patch > Victoria, BC > Canada > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original > contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its > editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] DKAZ and Flag data
Russ: The formatting is perfect in my email reader (Outlook). I'll decline the opportunity to reformat for various email readers since Nick posted the original file.. Chuck From: IRCA on behalf of Russ Edmunds Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 12:39 PM To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America Subject: Re: [IRCA] DKAZ and Flag data For Chuck and others, I found some years back that if I sent a draft to myself first and then edited it and re-sent it, I could minimize that problem, but it's more work than some may want to put into it. Russ Edmunds WB2BJH Blue Bell, PA Grid FN20id From: IRCA on behalf of Nick Hall-Patch Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 3:37:26 PM To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America Subject: Re: [IRCA] DKAZ and Flag data I've posted Chuck's tabulated results at http://www3.telus.net/public/shallpat/4all/DKAZ_and_flag_size_comparisons.pdf Hate to think of the work he has put into this going to waste because of the mail limitation. It's good information, and this has been a really worthwhile discussion. best wishes, Nick At 18:40 2018-10-25, Chuck Hutton wrote: >Here's an updated data set on the DKAZ and Corner Fed Loop. > > >DKAZ >LENGTH .5 MHZ GAIN 1.5 MHZ GAIN.5 MHZ F/B >AND TERM1.5 MHZ F/B >AND TERMRDF .5 MHZ RDF 1.5 MHZ 3 DB WIDTH > (.5 and 1.5 MHZ) 6 DB WIDTH >(.5 and 1.5 MHZ) >100 -61.1 -34.6 35.1 (1150) 47.3 >(1100) 8.9 7.9 99 / 101140 / 150 >120 -58 -31.8 42 32.5 >140 -55.4 -29.5 37.430.7 >160 -53.2 -27.5 39.4 (1000) 26.5 >(1100) 8.7 7 97 / 102140 / 140 >180 -51.2 -26.8 44.822.2 >200 -49.5 -24.2 45.2 (1500) 19.1 >(1500) 8.6 11.23 96 / 106140 / 150 >CORNER FED LOOP >18 x 18 -52.5 -34.1 46.5 (1000) 43.7 (1025 or >1050) 8.5 8.7 150 / 151 190 / 200 >18 x 36 -47 -28.7 36.6 (1150) 30.4 (1150) >25 x 50 -42.4 -24.2 35.8 >(1175) 27.6(1225) 7.7 7.7 146 / 150 200 / 200 > >___ >IRCA mailing list >IRCA@hard-core-dx.com >http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > >Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the >original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of >the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > >For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > >To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com Nick Hall-Patch Victoria, BC Canada ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] DKAZ and Flag data
For Chuck and others, I found some years back that if I sent a draft to myself first and then edited it and re-sent it, I could minimize that problem, but it's more work than some may want to put into it. Russ Edmunds WB2BJH Blue Bell, PA Grid FN20id From: IRCA on behalf of Nick Hall-Patch Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 3:37:26 PM To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America Subject: Re: [IRCA] DKAZ and Flag data I've posted Chuck's tabulated results at http://www3.telus.net/public/shallpat/4all/DKAZ_and_flag_size_comparisons.pdf Hate to think of the work he has put into this going to waste because of the mail limitation. It's good information, and this has been a really worthwhile discussion. best wishes, Nick At 18:40 2018-10-25, Chuck Hutton wrote: >Here's an updated data set on the DKAZ and Corner Fed Loop. > > >DKAZ >LENGTH .5 MHZ GAIN 1.5 MHZ GAIN.5 MHZ F/B >AND TERM1.5 MHZ F/B >AND TERMRDF .5 MHZ RDF 1.5 MHZ 3 DB WIDTH > (.5 and 1.5 MHZ) 6 DB WIDTH >(.5 and 1.5 MHZ) >100 -61.1 -34.6 35.1 (1150) 47.3 >(1100) 8.9 7.9 99 / 101140 / 150 >120 -58 -31.8 42 32.5 >140 -55.4 -29.5 37.430.7 >160 -53.2 -27.5 39.4 (1000) 26.5 >(1100) 8.7 7 97 / 102140 / 140 >180 -51.2 -26.8 44.822.2 >200 -49.5 -24.2 45.2 (1500) 19.1 >(1500) 8.6 11.23 96 / 106140 / 150 >CORNER FED LOOP >18 x 18 -52.5 -34.1 46.5 (1000) 43.7 (1025 or >1050) 8.5 8.7 150 / 151 190 / 200 >18 x 36 -47 -28.7 36.6 (1150) 30.4 (1150) >25 x 50 -42.4 -24.2 35.8 >(1175) 27.6(1225) 7.7 7.7 146 / 150 200 / 200 > >___ >IRCA mailing list >IRCA@hard-core-dx.com >http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > >Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the >original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of >the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > >For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > >To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com Nick Hall-Patch Victoria, BC Canada ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] DKAZ and Flag data
I've posted Chuck's tabulated results at http://www3.telus.net/public/shallpat/4all/DKAZ_and_flag_size_comparisons.pdf Hate to think of the work he has put into this going to waste because of the mail limitation. It's good information, and this has been a really worthwhile discussion. best wishes, Nick At 18:40 2018-10-25, Chuck Hutton wrote: Here's an updated data set on the DKAZ and Corner Fed Loop. DKAZ LENGTH .5 MHZ GAIN 1.5 MHZ GAIN.5 MHZ F/B AND TERM1.5 MHZ F/B AND TERMRDF .5 MHZ RDF 1.5 MHZ 3 DB WIDTH (.5 and 1.5 MHZ) 6 DB WIDTH (.5 and 1.5 MHZ) 100 -61.1 -34.6 35.1 (1150) 47.3 (1100) 8.9 7.9 99 / 101140 / 150 120 -58 -31.8 42 32.5 140 -55.4 -29.5 37.430.7 160 -53.2 -27.5 39.4 (1000) 26.5 (1100) 8.7 7 97 / 102140 / 140 180 -51.2 -26.8 44.822.2 200 -49.5 -24.2 45.2 (1500) 19.1 (1500) 8.6 11.23 96 / 106140 / 150 CORNER FED LOOP 18 x 18 -52.5 -34.1 46.5 (1000) 43.7 (1025 or 1050) 8.5 8.7 150 / 151 190 / 200 18 x 36 -47 -28.7 36.6 (1150) 30.4 (1150) 25 x 50 -42.4 -24.2 35.8 (1175) 27.6(1225) 7.7 7.7 146 / 150 200 / 200 ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com Nick Hall-Patch Victoria, BC Canada ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
