Re: [IRCA] SW EWE Day bandscan
Another interesting thing I have found, I have been getting skip during the day with both the Beverage EWE. Like Alturas, CA on 570 would fade up on top of KVI for a time and then fade under off the SW EWE. But the skip is weak, so it is noticeable with such a very low noise level. I was at a client yesterday that was off the air due to a telco line failure. Tuned to their frequency of 1460, I had Albany, NY fading in to pretty good levels three hours before sunset. Nothing else heard, though. Craig Healy Providence, RI ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] SW EWE Day bandscan
Pat- You possibly have very salty soil being that close to ocean. Thus the copper will be eaten quickly. Have you ever thought of adding radials to your ground rods, you know the way a radio station from their verticals? Willis ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] SW EWE Day bandscan
Willis. Yes, our soil is rather salty. No doubts there. Infact in the Winter when we have standing water out in the field, I have tasted it. It is briney, but not near as much as ocean water. But I have always felt I have an under-toe to the ocean, being less than a mile from the shore. The copper piping seems to hold up much better than the copperclad stuff though. I have never had much luck with the copperclad rods lasting. Radials are a pain to bury, so I have only used bare #12 connecting wire between the ground rods in a circle around the tree in the back, or rod to rod like in the case of the SW EWE. Burying radials is not an option by the Spruce tree at the SW EWE, too many surface roots. But I do need a good ground system here with any of my antennas I have tried and boy when I get the ground set up in, they do sing. I was amazed with the signal I got last night from XEW-900. I have not heard them that strong for a number of years, but again my grounds were getting worse and worse too. You should have seen the 8-foot ground rod for the power service in the backyard when that was replaced a couple years back. I think that rod was in the ground since the 70s (at least), and it was rusted out to the point where there was less that 4 feet of rusty rod still in the ground. They replaced the service with two new 8 foot rods placed several feet apart. My noise level went down 50% at least too. The noise level already is low here. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin KAVT Reception Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] SW EWE Day bandscan
At 12:50 AM 7/5/2007 -0400, you wrote: Pat- You possibly have very salty soil being that close to ocean. Thus the copper will be eaten quickly. Have you ever thought of adding radials to your ground rods, you know the way a radio station from their verticals? Willis Willis, Patrick wrote me off-list thatt he was planning to do exactly that: install 120 radials of 250-feet length each. Aren't you, Patrick? Charles Charles A Taylor, WD4INP Greenville, North Carolina ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] SW EWE Day bandscan
Yeah, Right Charles..hi. Patrick Martin KAVT Reception Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] SW EWE Day bandscan
Hi Pat It sounds like you sure have a good ground in Seaside. Here in Arizona I am using 2=5 foot copper water pipe and one 8 foot ground rod for my ground and I get almost no ground for my EWE. Its been a long time since we have had any rain so the ground is very dry. The summer rain may start soon so I hope I can get my ground back. Bill Block Prescott Valley, AZ Drake R8 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 15:59:29 -0700 To: irca@hard-core-dx.com Subject: [IRCA] SW EWE Day bandscan Greetings, After adding a second good copper pipe ground rod at the termination point of the SW EWE, I have found I have really increaded the nulls. The first copper rod made an 80% change, but adding the second even helped more. The old EWE is back where it was 15 years ago and it is quiet as a mouse. The noise level is nil on the frequencies there are no stations. Threshold is at a point where the weak signal, which there are many are just above the receiver noise. I had forgotten how well that antenna worked, but the old copper clad rods I put in back in the 80s got in bad shape. I had changed the wire, and repaired anything that looked or acted bad on the matching transformers, coax, etc, but I did not think of the ground rods at the end. But what a difference. Here is a bandscan I did between 1-2 PM PDT. The SW EWE now does a much better job on knocking down the signals to the N/NE/E. It should be all set for the DU/TP DX this Fall. I already noted a weak 2ZB-1035-New Zealand on it last night. Now the bandscan. 530-Nothing 540-CBXQ-Ucluelet,BC-S4 550-KOAC-Corvallis, OR-S7 550-UNID presume KARI Blaine WA 560-KSFO-SF-Threshold 570-KVI-Seattle WA-S2 570-KCFJ-Alturas, CA-S2 580-KTMT-Ashland OR-S2 580-UNID- KMJ?? 590-KUGN-Eugene OR-S8 600-CKBD-Vancouver BC-S3 610-KRTA-Medford OR-S3 620-KPOJ-Portland OR-S8 630-KWRO-Coquille OR-S8 630-KCIS-Edmonds WA 640-UNID-Threshold-KFI?? 650-KSTE-Sacramento CA-S1 660-KXOR-Junction City OR-S8 670-Nothing 680-KNBR-SF-S2 680-KBRD-Lacey WA 690-CBU-Vancouver BC-S6 700-KGRV-Winston OR-S4 710-KIRO-Seattle WA-S6 720-KFIR-Sweethome OR-S4 730-CHMJ-Vancouver-Threshold 740-KCBS-SF-S1 750-KXL-Portland OR-S8 760-Nothing 770-KTTH-Seattle WA-S7 780-KKOH-Reno NV-Threshold 790-KWIL-Albany OR-S3 790-KWSW-Eureka CA 790-KGMI-Bellingham WA 800-KPDQ-Portland OR-S5 810-KGO-SF-S2 820-KORC-Waltport OR-S3/slop 830-slop 840-KSWB-Seaside OR-S9+37 850-slop 860-KPAM-Portland OR-S8 870-Nothing 880-KWIP-Dallas OR-S8 890-Nothing 900-CKMO-Victoria BC-S4 910-KTRO-Vancouver WA-S8 920-KSHO-Lebanon OR-S6 930-KAGI-Grants Pass OR-Threshold 940-KWBY-Woodburn OR-S6 950-KJR-Seattle WA-S5 950-KTBR-Roseburg OR 960-UNID (1-2 stations threshold) 970-KCMD-Portland OR-S7 980-CKNW-Vancouver BC-Threshold 980-KINS-Eureka CA-Threshold 990-KTHH-Albany OR-S3 1000-KOMO-Seattle WA-S5 1010-KMUZ-Portland OR-S4 1020-UNID-Threshold (presume KYXE) 1030-KDUN-Reedsport OR-S6 1040-KXPD-Portland OR-S4 1050-KORE-Springfield OR-S6 1050-KBLE-Seattle WA 1060-Nothing 1070-Nothing 1080-KFXX-Portland OR-S9 1090-KPTK-Seattle WA-S7 1100-KFAX-SF-S2 1110-KBND-Bend OR-S1 1120-KPNW-Eugene OR-S5 1130-Nothing 1140-KHTK-Sacamento CA-S1 1150-KXMG-Portland OR-S4 1150-KKNW-Seattle WA 1160-Nothing 1170-KLOK-San Jose CA-Threshold 1170-KPUG-Bellingham WA-Threshold 1180-KLAY-Lakewood WA-S3 1190-KEX-Portland OR-S8 1200-IBOC hash-S3 1210-KWMG-Auburn WA-S3 1220-KBJC-Salem OR-S3 (slop) 1230-KKEE-Astoria OR-S9+22 1240-KEJO-Corvallis OR-S3 (slop) 1250-KKDZ-Seattle WA-S3 1250-KCST-Florence OR-S3 1260-KLYC-McMinnville OR-S5 1270-KBAM-Longview WA-S8 1280-KRVM-Eugene OR-S4 1280-UNID's 1290-Nothing 1300-KKOL-Seattle WA-S4 1300-KAPL-Phoenix OR 1310-KNPT-Newport OR-S5 1320-KXRO-Aberdeen WA-S6 1320-KSCR-Eugene OR 1330-KKPZ-Portland OR-S5 1330-UNID 1340-KLOO-Corvallis OR-S4 1340-KUOW-Tumwater WA-S4 1340-KBBR-North Bend OR 1340-UNIDs 1350-Nothing 1360-KKMO-Tacoma WA-S3 1360-KUIK-Hillsboro OR-S3 1370-KAST-Astoria OR-S9+22 1380-Nothing 1390-KKSN-Salem OR-S4 1400-KBCH-Lincoln City OR-S6 1400-KEDO-Longview WA 1400-UNIDs 1410-KBNP-Portland OR-S4 1420-KITI-Chehalis WA-S8 1430-KYKN-Keiser OR-S6 1440-KMED-Medford OR-S2 1450-KBPS-Portland OR-S5 1450-UNID's 1460-KCKX-Stayton OR-S3 1470-KELA-Centralia OR-S8 1480-KBMS-Vancouver WA-S5 1490-KWOK-Hoquiam WA-S6 1490-KLOG-Kelso WA 1490-KBZY-Salem OR 1500-Nothing 1510-Nothing 1520-KGDD-Oregon City-S9+5 1530-KFBK-Sacramento CA-S1 1540-KXPA-Bellevue WA-S4 1550-KKAD-Vancouver WA-S9+5 1560-KZIZ-Sumner WA-S6 1570-Nothing 1580-KGAL-Lebanon OR-S3 1590-KMBD-Tillamook OR-S9+10 1600-KOPT-Eugene OR-S5 1600-KOHI-St. Helens 1600-UNID (KVRI?) 1610-TIS-Cape Disappointment WA-S5 1620-KYIZ-Renton WA-S4 1630-Nothing 1640-KDZR-Lake Oswego OR-S4 1650-TIS-Astoria-S9+10 1660-UNID-Threshold 1670-UNID-Threshold 1680-KDOW-Seattle WA-S8 1690-UNID-Threshold 1700-Nothing 73, Patrick Patrick Martin KAVT Reception Manager
Re: [IRCA] SW EWE Day bandscan
Hi Bill, Thanks. I am impressed with the results of the SW EWE. I was beginning to wonder if it was all cx back in the 80s 90s, but here I have to keep in mind, it is all Ground Ground Ground Another interesting thing I have found, I have been getting skip during the day with both the Beverage EWE. Like Alturas, CA on 570 would fade up on top of KVI for a time and then fade under off the SW EWE. But the skip is weak, so it is noticeable with such a very low noise level. If there would have been a noise level,, stations like Alturas would not have been heard. I can't wait until Fall Winter. No rain today either, 75 degrees out here. But the ground is still wet. But water is needed for a EWE to work well. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin KAVT Reception Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] SW EWE Day bandscan
--- Patrick Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, After adding a second good copper pipe ground rod at the termination point of the SW EWE, I have found I have really increaded the nulls. How deep are your ground rods? I wonder if going really deep will help or do nothing? I think this is also a function of ground conductivity. I'm not going to do it, but *IF* I fired up on 1720 with a good and correct antenna, could you hear it IF I used one watt? Powell (not planning to be a pirate...) POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] SW EWE Day bandscan
Powell, I don't know if I could hear one watt in July on 1720 off the beverage. However, if it was Fall or Winter, maybe. I have several TIS stations heard QSL'd on 1620, 1630, 1640, 1660, 1670, 1700 from the East. I have the 10 watter from JFK on 1700, two VA's on 1620 (Also 10 watt), 1630 from Metra (Chicago) with 9 watts, 1630 Michigan DOT 1630(10 watts), Allentown PA with 10 watts on 1670, and my lowest power at about 2,000 miles Eastern Texas on 1670 with 3.5 watts. So 1 watt from the East on a clear frequency with code or sweep tones is especially possible if CX are decent, but I would not bet on it in July. By the way, I have two 1 watt carrier current stations, Sacramento College on 1620 and a College in SLC also on 1620 with 1 watt. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin KAVT Reception Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] SW EWE Day bandscan
--- Bill Block [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Pat It sounds like you sure have a good ground in Seaside. Here in Arizona I am using 2=5 foot copper water pipe and one 8 foot ground rod for my ground and I get almost no ground for my EWE. Its been a long time since we have had any rain so the ground is very dry. The summer rain may start soon so I hope I can get my ground back. You aren't deep enough. It may be necessary to go very deep into the soil. Powell POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] SW EWE Day bandscan
Powell, Don't need to go deep here. The soil is very wet, even damp in August. In the Winter my ground system is 3-4 feet under water! Infact the Winter before, the water level in the field next door was so high that my pot where the termination is, was almost sitting in water. It came so close within an inch or so from being in water. I was about ready to put on my boots and go out there and move the control, but thankfully it quit raining for a few days and the water level dropped off. That was at my SW EWE. The ground here in most places is very soft. I can push a 5 foot copper pipe halfway into the ground by hand and hitting a few times with a hammer, it is buried. Except the SW EWE where I had to go through a lot of Spruce tree roots. Now that was not easy. I have a series of copper pipes in a circle around the back of the house there. The yard is Copper pipe happy here. hi. No need for an 8 foot one. At the end of the Eastern beverage, is the Skippanon River that is 2 feet across in the midle of the Summer here, but 100 feet across in the Winter almost up to the end of the beverage, so the copper pipes there sit in water too. With 60-100 inches of rain a year and rain almost every month, lots of moist soil. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin KAVT Reception Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
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Patrick, Did you try some cotter clamps? Charles Charles A Taylor, WD4INP Greenville, North Carolina ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] SW EWE Day bandscan
At 06:49 PM 7/4/2007 -0700, you wrote: --- Bill Block [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Powell, You may want two, 8-foot ground rods. Space them at least 8 feet apart, if possible. Charles Charles A Taylor, WD4INP Greenville, North Carolina ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
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Charles, I just ran 150 feet of cord over to the SW EWE and soldered in the wire from the new ground rods. I have not done anything with the one splice I have 450 feet down on the beverage as yet. I only have the one splice to check on. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin KAVT Reception Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] SW EWE Day bandscan
Charles, I don't know how hard your soil is, but here I am lucky as it is very soft in most areas. That is unless there is a tree root in the way. I am not all that thrilled about the 8 foot copperclad rods that are available here. The 4 foot Radio Shack ones, the copper wears off in a few months and they no longer work well. They go down hill from the day I install them I guess. That is why I changed over to 1/2 inch copper piping. The 10 foot copper piping here are about $13.50 and I can make two five foot ones out of one piece. With a couple dollar hose claps, each set up costs me about $9 which is not too bad. A few years ago, the 10 foot copper pipes were $5.50 each. I should have bought more at that time. But I have lots in the ground now, so I don't know at what number, does the addition of more, makes little change. In other words, if you have 10 five foot rods, what happens if you add another 10 or 20? There must be a place where the addition of more rods makes little difference I would think. Any idea? Especially is our wet soil. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin KAVT Reception Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
