Re: [IRCA] WBZ IBOC is OFF!
Dont count on it staying that way for long. if they're not running IBOC, they're on their 10KW backup transmitter most likely.. that backup can also do AM Stereo too. Paul Walker On 1/2/09, Len Hyde wrote: > > Just read this report on rec.radio.shortwave. > > > -- > Leonard Hyde > Weed, CA > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] WBZ IBOC is OFF!
Len, there would appear to be more to the URL than what you sent since rec.radio.shortwave won't fly. Pete Taylor Tacoma, WA 12225w 4719n HQ180 + Kiwa air core loop ICF2010 + " "" " DX398; Palomar loop SRF-59 & -M37V Eton E100 == , Len Hyde wrote: Just read this report on rec.radio.shortwave. ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] WBZ IBOC is OFF!
WBZ-1030 does seem to have the IBOC off this evening. 1040 is completely in the clear. The audio on WBZ still seems to be limited to the 5KHz bandwidth which is a symptom of a transmitter set for IBOC. I wonder if there was some settlement with WYSL-1040? I certainly hope there was, though it's an odd time for that to happen. The FF country station on 1040 is quite listenable, CJMS I think. If this stays off I can check with one of the engineers there who is an acquaintance to get the story as to why. In that frequency neighborhood, IBOC does appear to be on KDKA-1020 though it shows as being quite low level. Same with WINS-1010. May just be propagation, though the carrier levels are pretty good. I also can see an IBOC sideband from 1000, probably Chicago. The IBOC sidebands from WOFX-980 in Troy, NY are also quite strong. Maybe, just maybe we're seeing the withdrawal of AM IBOC. I would think the cost/benefits ratio of iBiquity licensing can't be very good right now. It'd be *far* better to shut IBOC off than lay off people. For every listener with an HD Radio, there are probably hundreds with older wideband AM radios like what Chrysler used some time back. Those are wide enough to pick up the hiss and it ain't pretty. Local WPRO-630 hasn't run IBOC in a long time. WDDZ-550 and WHJJ-920 run it days only. Local WRNI-1290 runs it 24 hours and it does affect local WARL-1320 on some radios. I'm really waiting for a simple to use internet-capable car receiver that can pick up streams. That in itself will make IBOC moot. Better quality and far more varied content. Craig Healy Providence, RI ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] WBZ IBOC is OFF!
On 3-Jan-09, at 6:57 PM, Craig Healy wrote: WBZ-1030 does seem to have the IBOC off this evening. 1040 is completely in the clear. The audio on WBZ still seems to be limited to the 5KHz bandwidth which is a symptom of a transmitter set for IBOC. I wonder if there was some settlement with WYSL-1040? I certainly hope there was, though it's an odd time for that to happen. The FF country station on 1040 is quite listenable, CJMS I think. If this stays off I can check with one of the engineers there who is an acquaintance to get the story as to why. I read on one of the lists that they were having problems getting audio to their main rig and that they were using their non-IBOC 10 kW backup transmitter... anyone have the complete story on this? 73, Deane McIntyre Calgary AB (who logs WBZ a few times every year in the null of KTWO) ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] WBZ IBOC is OFF!
On Saturday 03 January 2009 20:57, Craig Healy wrote: > WBZ-1030 does seem to have the IBOC off this evening. 1040 is > completely in the clear. The audio on WBZ still seems to be > limited to the 5KHz bandwidth which is a symptom of a transmitter > set for IBOC. I wonder if there was some settlement with > WYSL-1040? I certainly hope there was, though it's an odd time for > that to happen. The FF country station on 1040 is quite > listenable, CJMS I think. No chance of a settlement, methinks. CBS has no incentive to change their ways, since the FCC has chosen to ignore WYSL's complaint, despite being presented with extensive documentation of the interference problems. So much for their claim in their IBOC Report & Order that they would deal with interference issues in a timely manner. As others have said, WBZ is apparently on their backup rig. In addition to the absence of IBOC, it's interesting to note that they have been significantly off-frequency - about 16 Hz high. Things will no doubt be back to normal (including adjacent channel jamming) soon. Barry -- Barry McLarnon VE3JF Ottawa, ON ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] WBZ IBOC is OFF!
On Sunday 04 January 2009 14:11, Barry McLarnon wrote: > As others have said, WBZ is apparently on their backup rig. In > addition to the absence of IBOC, it's interesting to note that they > have been significantly off-frequency - about 16 Hz high. Things > will no doubt be back to normal (including adjacent channel > jamming) soon. Still on the backup rig tonight, but they've drifted down a bit, to 1030.014. Barry -- Barry McLarnon VE3JF Ottawa, ON ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] WBZ IBOC is OFF!
Still on the backup rig tonight, but they've drifted down a bit, to 1030.014. Barry /// Just out of curiosity I wonder if WBZ runs Power-Side on the backup transmitter? I know a lot of stations that had Power-Side before IBOC came along kept it on their backup rigs (KPOF/910 for example). Perhaps I should pose this as a question to the more technically experienced engineer types on the list (Mark Durenberger where are you?). Since Power-Side concentrates the audio into one of the two sidebands of the carrier frequency, would that make the signal appear to be slightly off frequency toward whichever sideband is being used? I know that on an analog radio receiving a station using Power-Side you get the best sound by tuning slightly off frequency to one sideband or another. The carrier frequency should not be effected by Power-Side. But I believe that the apparent center of bandwidth for the overall mask of the transmitted signal would be shifted one way or another. At KCKK/1510 we have Power-Side and we run it slanted toward the lower sideband to help us stay further away from the audio of the 1520 adjacent channel blowtorch in OKC. Patrick Griffith, CBT CBNT CRO Westminster CO http://community.webtv.net/AM-DXer/ http://community.webtv.net/N0NNK/ ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] WBZ IBOC is OFF!
I think WBZ runs or at least can run AM Stereo on the backup. Paul Walker www.onairdj.com On 1/4/09, Patrick Griffith, N0NNK / WPE9HVW wrote: > > Still on the backup rig tonight, but they've drifted down a bit, to > 1030.014. > Barry > > /// > Just out of curiosity I wonder if WBZ runs Power-Side on the backup > transmitter? I know a lot of stations that had Power-Side before IBOC > came along kept it on their backup rigs (KPOF/910 for example). Perhaps > I should pose this as a question to the more technically experienced > engineer types on the list (Mark Durenberger where are you?). Since > Power-Side concentrates the audio into one of the two sidebands of the > carrier frequency, would that make the signal appear to be slightly off > frequency toward whichever sideband is being used? I know that on an > analog radio receiving a station using Power-Side you get the best sound > by tuning slightly off frequency to one sideband or another. The carrier > frequency should not be effected by Power-Side. But I believe that the > apparent center of bandwidth for the overall mask of the transmitted > signal would be shifted one way or another. At KCKK/1510 we have > Power-Side and we run it slanted toward the lower sideband to help us > stay further away from the audio of the 1520 adjacent channel blowtorch > in OKC. > > Patrick Griffith, CBT CBNT CRO > Westminster CO > http://community.webtv.net/AM-DXer/ > http://community.webtv.net/N0NNK/ > > > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com walkerbroadcast...@gmail.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] WBZ IBOC is OFF!
> Just out of curiosity I wonder if WBZ runs Power-Side on > the backup transmitter? The modulation looks perfectly symmetrical on the SDR-14 display. USB/LSB look identical. Craig Healy Providence, RI ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] WBZ IBOC is OFF!
Craig Healy wrote: Just out of curiosity I wonder if WBZ runs Power-Side on the backup transmitter? The modulation looks perfectly symmetrical on the SDR-14 display. USB/LSB look identical. I got to see the backup transmitter and its processing chain every day for five years, and at the height of the Powerside craze at that (1992-97), and there was never a Powerside box in the building. (Or anything else of Leonard's, either.) s ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] WBZ IBOC is OFF!
On Sunday 04 January 2009 20:00, Barry McLarnon wrote: > On Sunday 04 January 2009 14:11, Barry McLarnon wrote: > > As others have said, WBZ is apparently on their backup rig. In > > addition to the absence of IBOC, it's interesting to note that > > they have been significantly off-frequency - about 16 Hz high. > > Things will no doubt be back to normal (including adjacent > > channel jamming) soon. > > Still on the backup rig tonight, but they've drifted down a bit, to > 1030.014. Back to normal, and on-channel tonight... well, the AM part is on-channel, at least. :-( Barry -- Barry McLarnon VE3JF Ottawa, ON ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
