RE: Tizen IVI capability vs Android

[Suriya Mohan S .]

Hi Bret,

Thanks for your quick response. Our customer is currently working on to come up 
with Car Head Unit based on Tizen or Android.

We have to consider all possible usecases which Tizen can support where there 
can be hardware & network dependency. Let me list out some usecase.


1.   LTE Connected Car - Controlling Zigbee enabled devices at home through 
LTE network - Does Tizen support 4G related usecases ?

2.   Adaptive / Live Streaming from cloud server over 3G / 4G and accessing 
SNS inside car

3.   RUI & DLNA - Remote User Interface & DLNA inside car - Wi-Fi support

4.   Vehicle Diagnostics - OBD II interface

5.   ADAS, V2V & V2I

6.   MirroLink 1.1 - USB support (HighSpeed)

7.   Miracast - Sharing the video in smartphone to rear set infotainment 
device

8.   Seamless switching from LTE to Wi-Fi or viceversa

9.   Jazzy application on rear seat entertainment device (for local 
playback (support for thumbnail extraction), streaming & etc)

Considering the above usecase which requires hardware & OS (libraries & device 
drivers) support, how Tizen is better than Android ?

Is Tizen based Head units is viable solution when compared Android based?

Regards,
Suriya.
From: Branch, Brett [mailto:brett.bra...@intel.com]
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 1:17 AM
To: Suriya Mohan S.
Cc: ivi@lists.tizen.org
Subject: RE: Tizen IVI capability vs Android

Hi Suriya,
In what context are you asking the questions?

Your first question can't be answered as both Tizen and Android are software 
projects/products, and both can run on a variety of hardware platforms.
Your second question would require a very extensive answer to list all the 
libraries.
External connections are also dependent on the specific hardware platform that 
the software is being installed on.

The above answers aside, to give you a broader answer that might help address 
some of what you are asking, and since you are asking this on a Tizen list, not 
an Android one...
Tizen is an open source software platform that leverages innovation in adjacent 
market segments to create unique value. However, Tizen IVI is designed 
specifically for the automotive market. Tizen IVI includes several components 
and frameworks specific to automotive applications. Just giving a couple of 
examples to give you an idea of some of the advantages of Tizen, the automotive 
message broker (which, given the right hardware gateways and connections can 
provide access to CAN, etc.) and an HTML5 framework, both specific to Tizen 
allow HTML5-based applications to access vehicular information. Another example 
is the policy manager (Murphy) which can be used to create different 
application policies based on vehicular state, etc. (for example driving vs. 
parked).
To contrast that with Android, some automotive capabilities can be *added* to 
Android, and in fact some people have done that, but Android doesn't include 
any as it is essentially a handset OS and Google isn't doing anything 
automotive specific for support, so the additional automotive capabilities need 
to be engineered and typically become closed source IP of the implementer.

  -Brett

From: ivi-boun...@lists.tizen.org 
[mailto:ivi-boun...@lists.tizen.org] On Behalf Of Suriya Mohan S.
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 12:01 PM
To: ivi@lists.tizen.org
Subject: Tizen IVI capability vs Android

Hi,

Can you please throw some light and data points on Tizen's IVI capability when 
compared to Android ?

How or in what aspects Tizen is better than Android in Car Head Unit ? In terms 
of the following.


1.   Hardware specifications (CPU, Memory, Storage, Graphics Chip, 
communications modudes (GPS, WiFi, 3G/4G, DSRC etc.)

2.   Software libraries used to perform the different functions on the head 
units

3.   The types of external connections available (e.g. USB, CAN, ODBII, 
HDMI, Audio etc)


Regards,
Suriya.




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Re: Tizen IVI repositories enabled by default in the image

[Ylinen, Mikko]

Hi Geoffroy,

On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:13 PM, VanCutsem, Geoffroy
 wrote:

> When I want to use the latest and greatest Tizen IVI images, I tend to pick
> the latest daily release
> (http://download.tizen.org/releases/daily/tizen/ivi/latest/) and I barely
> ever go in the snapshot folder given that I don’t even know if these images
> are functional at all. On a similar thought-process, when I run such images,

I used some brain cycles to think this proposal but I could not get to why
would it be needed.

If you take the latest daily image every day you'll always get the latest
and greatest Tizen IVI. As a matter of fact, that *most likely* equals the
latest snapshot repo/image since the daily image is the image with all
the changes Tracy has approved in OBS that day.

> I would prefer to only pick package updates from the daily release repo
> which means one of the first thing I do is change which repos are enabled by
> default [1]. It’s not a big effort but I’m wondering if it wouldn’t make
> more sense to have it the other way around by default.

btw, AFAIR we're not testing 'zypper up' from a daily image to another
so this is not guaranteed to work either.

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Re: More initialization experiences by a newcomer coming up on Tizen IVI...

[Ylinen, Mikko]

Hi Steven,

On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Maurer, Steven
 wrote:
> The other issue I found was with trying to just get gbs to be functional at
> all.  From what I can tell, the example could not possibly work.
>
> gbs clone --packaging-branch=tizen_2.1 tizen:pkgs/a/avsystem pkgs/a/avsystem

pkgs/a/avsystem Git path is no longer there. Please check the latest Git paths
from https://review.tizen.org/git/. Alternatively, you can play with
gerrit commands:

$ ssh tizen gerrit ls-projects
$ ssh tizen gerrit ls-projects -b tizen

> It does not appear as if the trailing argument ever works. This was what I
> was able to get to work (or at least not immediately fail):
>
>   gbs clone --packaging-branch=tizen
> tizen:apps/core/preloaded/app-selector
>
> But I'm not exactly sure about the setup from here on.  It doesn't seem to
> preserve the source tree structure at all.

I've noticed that some Git trees don't have their remote/HEAD pointing to
remote/tizen. This is the case with app-selector for example (see git
branch -a).

$ git clone ssh://tizen/apps/core/preloaded/app-selector
$ cd app-selector/
$ git branch -a
$ git branch -t tizen origin/tizen
$ git checkout tizen
$ git branch -a

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Re: [TIVI-3.0-M2] enable booting log meesage through UART on BayTrail-CRB

[Clark, Joel]

Tizen only works with the EFI BIOS on ByT. Nobody has done any work to make 
Tizen IVI work with the boot loader you are using and no work on this is 
planned at this time. Instead we are focusing in improving the boot time of the 
EFI based BIOS and the Tizen boot times.

Regards
Joel

On Aug 15, 2013, at 8:08 PM, "Joshua Kim" 
mailto:joshua79@gmail.com>> wrote:

When I use the BYT BIOS, TIVI image is working well.
But, when I use the intel-reference-bootloader_beta, same TIVI image has kernel 
panic.
What should I do to fix the problem?


Intel(R) Boot Loader Development Kit
Copyright (C) 1999-2013 Intel Corporation. All rights reserved.
!! S5 Path !!
EHCI Host Controller initialized.

Intel(R) Firmware Support Package
Version: VLYVIEW0 0201
Intel(R) Reference Boot Loader
Version: Bayley Bay Beta Release 001
Copyright (C) 1999-2013 Intel Corporation. All rights reserved.
Hit a key to start the shell...
USB Port Change detected.
Selected device is not an USB mass storage device
Failed to Initialize USB MSD. Status: 2
USB MSD did not initialize
Selected device is not an USB mass storage device
Failed to Initialize USB MSD. Status: 2
USB MSD did not initialize
Attempting direct boot
Kernel signature verification disabled
No valid journal table found  aa553718 -> 53454700
ATA legacy boot 6 =? 6
Loading ../vmlinuz...ready

SYSLINUX 4.05 EDD 2011-12-09 Copyright (C) 1994-2011 H. Peter Anvin et al

[0.00] Initializing cgroup subsys cpuset
[0.00] Initializing cgroup subsys cpu
[0.00] Initializing cgroup subsys cpuacctghts reserved.
[0.00] Linux version 3.10.0-1.4.1.1-x86-ivi (abuild@w01) (gcc version 
4.7.2 (Tizen Linux) ) #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Jul 26 08:05:50 UTC 2013
[0.00] e820: BIOS-provided physical RAM map:
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x-0x00097fff] usable
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x00098000-0x0009] reserved
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x000e-0x000f] reserved
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x0010-0x5fff] usable
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x6000-0x600f] reserved
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x6010-0x7b9e] usable
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x7b9f-0x7b9ff5ff] ACPI data
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x7b9ff600-0x7fff] reserved
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0xe000-0xefff] reserved
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0xfec0-0xfec00fff] reserved
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0xfed1c000-0xfed1] reserved
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0xfee0-0xfee00fff] reserved
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0xff80-0x] unusable
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x0001-0x00017fff] usable
[0.00] NX (Execute Disable) protection: active
[0.00] DMI not present or invalid.
[0.00] e820: last_pfn = 0x18 max_arch_pfn = 0x100
[0.00] x86 PAT enabled: cpu 0, old 0x7040600070406, new 0x7010600070106
[0.00] init_memory_mapping: [mem 0x-0x000f]
[0.00] init_memory_mapping: [mem 0x3780-0x379f]
[0.00] init_memory_mapping: [mem 0x3400-0x377f]nvin et al
[0.00] init_memory_mapping: [mem 0x0010-0x33ff]
[0.00] init_memory_mapping: [mem 0x37a0-0x37bfdfff]
[0.00] ACPI: RSDP 000e0110 00024 (v02 INTEL )
[0.00] ACPI: XSDT 7b9f7c60 00054 (v01 INTEL     
)
[0.00] ACPI: FACP 7b9f7b60 000F4 (v03 INTEL     
)
[0.00] ACPI: DSDT 7b9f7ce0 07911 (v02  INTEL  VLV-SOC  INTL 
20120913)
[0.00] ACPI: FACS 7b9ff600 00040
[0.00] ACPI: APIC 7b9f5b30 0007A (v01 INTEL     
)
[0.00] ACPI: MCFG 7b9f5af0 0003C (v01 INTEL  MCFG   
)
[0.00] ACPI: HPET 7b9f5ab0 00038 (v01 INTEL     
)
[0.00] ACPI: CSRT 7b9f5960 0014C (v00 INTEL     
)
[0.00] ACPI: SSDT 7b9f51f0 0076B (v01  PmRefCpuPm 3000 INTL 
20120913)
[0.00] ACPI: no DMI BIOS year, acpi=force is required to enable ACPI
[0.00] ACPI: Disabling ACPI support
[0.00] 5252MB HIGHMEM available.
[0.00] 891MB LOWMEM available.
[0.00]   mapped low ram: 0 - 37bfe000
[0.00]   low ram: 0 - 37bfe000
[0.00] Zone ranges:
[0.00]   DMA  [mem 0x1000-0x00ff]
[0.00]   Normal   [mem 0x0100-0x37bfdfff]
[0.00]   HighMem  [mem 0x37bfe000-0x7fff]
[0.00] Movable zone start for each node
[0.00] Early memory node ranges
[0.00]   node   0: [mem 0x1000-0x00097fff]
[0.00]   node   0: [mem 0x0010-0x5fff]
[0.00]   node   0: [mem 0x6010-0x7b9e]
[0.00]  

Re: [TIVI-3.0-M2] enable booting log meesage through UART on BayTrail-CRB

[Joshua Kim]

When I use the BYT BIOS, TIVI image is working well.
But, when I use the intel-reference-bootloader_beta, same TIVI image has
kernel panic.
What should I do to fix the problem?


Intel(R) Boot Loader Development Kit
Copyright (C) 1999-2013 Intel Corporation. All rights reserved.
!! S5 Path !!
EHCI Host Controller initialized.

Intel(R) Firmware Support Package
Version: VLYVIEW0 0201
Intel(R) Reference Boot Loader
Version: Bayley Bay Beta Release 001
Copyright (C) 1999-2013 Intel Corporation. All rights reserved.
Hit a key to start the shell...
USB Port Change detected.
Selected device is not an USB mass storage device
Failed to Initialize USB MSD. Status: 2
USB MSD did not initialize
Selected device is not an USB mass storage device
Failed to Initialize USB MSD. Status: 2
USB MSD did not initialize
Attempting direct boot
Kernel signature verification disabled
No valid journal table found  aa553718 -> 53454700
ATA legacy boot 6 =? 6
Loading ../vmlinuz...ready

SYSLINUX 4.05 EDD 2011-12-09 Copyright (C) 1994-2011 H. Peter Anvin et al

[0.00] Initializing cgroup subsys cpuset
[0.00] Initializing cgroup subsys cpu
[0.00] Initializing cgroup subsys cpuacctghts reserved.
[0.00] Linux version 3.10.0-1.4.1.1-x86-ivi (abuild@w01) (gcc
version 4.7.2 (Tizen Linux) ) #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Jul 26 08:05:50 UTC 2013
[0.00] e820: BIOS-provided physical RAM map:
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x-0x00097fff] usable
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x00098000-0x0009]
reserved
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x000e-0x000f]
reserved
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x0010-0x5fff] usable
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x6000-0x600f]
reserved
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x6010-0x7b9e] usable
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x7b9f-0x7b9ff5ff] ACPI
data
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x7b9ff600-0x7fff]
reserved
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0xe000-0xefff]
reserved
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0xfec0-0xfec00fff]
reserved
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0xfed1c000-0xfed1]
reserved
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0xfee0-0xfee00fff]
reserved
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0xff80-0x]
unusable
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x0001-0x00017fff] usable
[0.00] NX (Execute Disable) protection: active
[0.00] DMI not present or invalid.
[0.00] e820: last_pfn = 0x18 max_arch_pfn = 0x100
[0.00] x86 PAT enabled: cpu 0, old 0x7040600070406, new
0x7010600070106
[0.00] init_memory_mapping: [mem 0x-0x000f]
[0.00] init_memory_mapping: [mem 0x3780-0x379f]
[0.00] init_memory_mapping: [mem 0x3400-0x377f]nvin et al
[0.00] init_memory_mapping: [mem 0x0010-0x33ff]
[0.00] init_memory_mapping: [mem 0x37a0-0x37bfdfff]
[0.00] ACPI: RSDP 000e0110 00024 (v02 INTEL )
[0.00] ACPI: XSDT 7b9f7c60 00054 (v01 INTEL   
 )
[0.00] ACPI: FACP 7b9f7b60 000F4 (v03 INTEL   
 )
[0.00] ACPI: DSDT 7b9f7ce0 07911 (v02  INTEL  VLV-SOC  INTL
20120913)
[0.00] ACPI: FACS 7b9ff600 00040
[0.00] ACPI: APIC 7b9f5b30 0007A (v01 INTEL   
 )
[0.00] ACPI: MCFG 7b9f5af0 0003C (v01 INTEL  MCFG 
 )
[0.00] ACPI: HPET 7b9f5ab0 00038 (v01 INTEL   
 )
[0.00] ACPI: CSRT 7b9f5960 0014C (v00 INTEL   
 )
[0.00] ACPI: SSDT 7b9f51f0 0076B (v01  PmRefCpuPm 3000 INTL
20120913)
[0.00] ACPI: no DMI BIOS year, acpi=force is required to enable ACPI
[0.00] ACPI: Disabling ACPI support
[0.00] 5252MB HIGHMEM available.
[0.00] 891MB LOWMEM available.
[0.00]   mapped low ram: 0 - 37bfe000
[0.00]   low ram: 0 - 37bfe000
[0.00] Zone ranges:
[0.00]   DMA  [mem 0x1000-0x00ff]
[0.00]   Normal   [mem 0x0100-0x37bfdfff]
[0.00]   HighMem  [mem 0x37bfe000-0x7fff]
[0.00] Movable zone start for each node
[0.00] Early memory node ranges
[0.00]   node   0: [mem 0x1000-0x00097fff]
[0.00]   node   0: [mem 0x0010-0x5fff]
[0.00]   node   0: [mem 0x6010-0x7b9e]
[0.00]   node   0: [mem 0x-0x7fff]
[0.00] Using APIC driver default
[0.00] smpboot: Allowing 1 CPUs, 0 hotplug CPUs
[0.00] Found and enabled local APIC!
[0.00] PM: Registered nosave memory: 00098000 -
000a
[0.00] PM: Registered nosave memory: 000a -
000e
[0.00] PM: Registered nosave memory: 000e 

RE: [TIVI-3.0-M2] enable booting log meesage through UART on BayTrail-CRB

[Dinh, Kien T]

Hi Joshua,

You can enable it by appending "console=ttyS0,115200n8" to the kernel parameter 
in /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf

Kien

From: ivi-boun...@lists.tizen.org [mailto:ivi-boun...@lists.tizen.org] On 
Behalf Of Joshua Kim
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 11:13 AM
To: IVI@lists.tizen.org
Subject: [TIVI-3.0-M2] enable booting log meesage through UART on BayTrail-CRB

What should I do to enable boot-log message and use the tty on by UART(RS232) 
port BayTrail-CRB. (Currently, the direction of log message and tty is VGA 
Monitor)



KT Kim
Email:joshua79@gmail.com
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[TIVI-3.0-M2] DirectBoot Support

[Joshua Kim]

I'm using the Intel reference boot-loader(not BIOS).
How to make a tizen image to support Direct-Boot for loading and starting
Linux Kernel.?

-- 


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[TIVI-3.0-M2] enable booting log meesage through UART on BayTrail-CRB

[Joshua Kim]

What should I do to enable boot-log message and use the tty on by
UART(RS232) port BayTrail-CRB. (Currently, the direction of log message and
tty is VGA Monitor)



KT Kim
Email:joshua79@gmail.com
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Re: More initialization experiences by a newcomer coming up on Tizen IVI...

[Rees, Kevron]

On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Maurer, Steven  wrote:

> I thought it might be useful to outline my experience attempting to
> actually get Tizen to build going by the documentation out of the website.
>
>
> After some travails in just getting the IVI July 29, 3.0-M2-Jul to
> install, because raw dd and bmaptool with the --nomapoption did not seem to
> work correctly on my system, I was able to bring up a bootable Tizen image
> on my device.  Unfortunately, the wiki instructions listed here:
>
> https://wiki.tizen.org/wiki/IVI/IVI_July_29,_3.0-M2-Jul
>
> ...said to use "wrt-launch" to see the demo, and this command was not on
> the system.  I thought this might have simply been left off, but it
> actually turned out that the name of the executable is "wrt-launch*er*"
> with the "er" on the end, which one of my co-workers discovered searching
> around trying to find non-normal components.
>
> I edited the wiki page to properly reflect the actual command name.
>
> The wrt-launcher also fails to launch in -d debug mode, and there doesn't
> seem to be any explanation for it.
>
> Also, the wrt-install*er* doesn't appear to install packages correctly
> either. Issuing:
>
> wrt-installer -i test.wgt
>
> to install a small sample widget downloaded onto the box, gives me the
> following:
>
> appcore: appcore: setlocale() error
>

That's actually not critical.  I see it all the time.  Is that the only
message you get?  Can you paste your config.xml from your test.wgt?


> 
> [Followed by a printout of the arguments used]
>
> (In case you're curious, test.wgt is just the Tizen piano-keyboard phone
> test app.)
>
> I don't have a workaround for this, but from googling, it appears to be a
> relatively common type of problem. I fully understand that something may
> need to be done to get it to work. Maybe editing TizenPolicy.xml or
> something. But the current error message is entirely unhelpful.
>
>
> The other issue I found was with trying to just get gbs to be functional
> at all.  From what I can tell, the example could not possibly work.
>
> gbs clone --packaging-branch=tizen_2.1 tizen:pkgs/a/avsystem pkgs/a/avsystem
>
>
> It does not appear as if the trailing argument ever works. This was what I
> was able to get to work (or at least not immediately fail):
>
>   gbs clone --packaging-branch=tizen
> tizen:apps/core/preloaded/app-selector
>
> But I'm not exactly sure about the setup from here on.  It doesn't seem to
> preserve the source tree structure at all.
>
> I'm really not sure of my way forward. I was hoping that I could just
> clone the entire tree and poke around a bit, but trying to clone
> AllProjects.git (in the hopes that all the subprojects would come with it)
> resulted in a python script crashing inside gbs.
>
> --
> Kind Regards
>
> Steven Maurer
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> Oregon, 97204
>
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More initialization experiences by a newcomer coming up on Tizen IVI...

[Maurer, Steven]

I thought it might be useful to outline my experience attempting to
actually get Tizen to build going by the documentation out of the website.


After some travails in just getting the IVI July 29, 3.0-M2-Jul to install,
because raw dd and bmaptool with the --nomapoption did not seem to work
correctly on my system, I was able to bring up a bootable Tizen image on my
device.  Unfortunately, the wiki instructions listed here:

https://wiki.tizen.org/wiki/IVI/IVI_July_29,_3.0-M2-Jul

...said to use "wrt-launch" to see the demo, and this command was not on
the system.  I thought this might have simply been left off, but it
actually turned out that the name of the executable is "wrt-launch*er*"
with the "er" on the end, which one of my co-workers discovered searching
around trying to find non-normal components.

I edited the wiki page to properly reflect the actual command name.

The wrt-launcher also fails to launch in -d debug mode, and there doesn't
seem to be any explanation for it.

Also, the wrt-install*er* doesn't appear to install packages correctly
either. Issuing:

wrt-installer -i test.wgt

to install a small sample widget downloaded onto the box, gives me the
following:

appcore: appcore: setlocale() error

[Followed by a printout of the arguments used]

(In case you're curious, test.wgt is just the Tizen piano-keyboard phone
test app.)

I don't have a workaround for this, but from googling, it appears to be a
relatively common type of problem. I fully understand that something may
need to be done to get it to work. Maybe editing TizenPolicy.xml or
something. But the current error message is entirely unhelpful.


The other issue I found was with trying to just get gbs to be functional at
all.  From what I can tell, the example could not possibly work.

gbs clone --packaging-branch=tizen_2.1 tizen:pkgs/a/avsystem pkgs/a/avsystem


It does not appear as if the trailing argument ever works. This was what I
was able to get to work (or at least not immediately fail):

  gbs clone --packaging-branch=tizen
tizen:apps/core/preloaded/app-selector

But I'm not exactly sure about the setup from here on.  It doesn't seem to
preserve the source tree structure at all.

I'm really not sure of my way forward. I was hoping that I could just clone
the entire tree and poke around a bit, but trying to clone AllProjects.git
(in the hopes that all the subprojects would come with it) resulted in a
python script crashing inside gbs.

-- 
Kind Regards

Steven Maurer
---
Infotainment Engineer
MSX on behalf of Jaguar Land Rover
One World Trade Center, 121 Southwest Salmon Street, 11th Floor, Portland,
Oregon, 97204

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RE: Tizen IVI capability vs Android

[Branch, Brett]

Hi Suriya,
In what context are you asking the questions?

Your first question can't be answered as both Tizen and Android are software 
projects/products, and both can run on a variety of hardware platforms.
Your second question would require a very extensive answer to list all the 
libraries.
External connections are also dependent on the specific hardware platform that 
the software is being installed on.

The above answers aside, to give you a broader answer that might help address 
some of what you are asking, and since you are asking this on a Tizen list, not 
an Android one...
Tizen is an open source software platform that leverages innovation in adjacent 
market segments to create unique value. However, Tizen IVI is designed 
specifically for the automotive market. Tizen IVI includes several components 
and frameworks specific to automotive applications. Just giving a couple of 
examples to give you an idea of some of the advantages of Tizen, the automotive 
message broker (which, given the right hardware gateways and connections can 
provide access to CAN, etc.) and an HTML5 framework, both specific to Tizen 
allow HTML5-based applications to access vehicular information. Another example 
is the policy manager (Murphy) which can be used to create different 
application policies based on vehicular state, etc. (for example driving vs. 
parked).
To contrast that with Android, some automotive capabilities can be *added* to 
Android, and in fact some people have done that, but Android doesn't include 
any as it is essentially a handset OS and Google isn't doing anything 
automotive specific for support, so the additional automotive capabilities need 
to be engineered and typically become closed source IP of the implementer.

  -Brett

From: ivi-boun...@lists.tizen.org [mailto:ivi-boun...@lists.tizen.org] On 
Behalf Of Suriya Mohan S.
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 12:01 PM
To: ivi@lists.tizen.org
Subject: Tizen IVI capability vs Android

Hi,

Can you please throw some light and data points on Tizen's IVI capability when 
compared to Android ?

How or in what aspects Tizen is better than Android in Car Head Unit ? In terms 
of the following.


1.   Hardware specifications (CPU, Memory, Storage, Graphics Chip, 
communications modudes (GPS, WiFi, 3G/4G, DSRC etc.)

2.   Software libraries used to perform the different functions on the head 
units

3.   The types of external connections available (e.g. USB, CAN, ODBII, 
HDMI, Audio etc)


Regards,
Suriya.




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Re: A failed report of gbs build

[Rusty Lynch]

On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 12:32 -0700, Graydon, Tracy wrote:
> Webkit rebuilt successfully in OBS with 10 errors, 79 warnings. I also
> built it successfully on my Fedora 17 system. Interestingly, the number of
> warnings was different: 10 errors, 81 warnings.
> 
> Anyway, it is building successfully in OBS.

With "10 errors" that's a failure, not success.

--rusty

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Re: A failed report of gbs build

[Graydon, Tracy]

Webkit rebuilt successfully in OBS with 10 errors, 79 warnings. I also
built it successfully on my Fedora 17 system. Interestingly, the number of
warnings was different: 10 errors, 81 warnings.

Anyway, it is building successfully in OBS.

-t




On 8/15/13 10:23 AM, "Graydon, Tracy"  wrote:

>Webkit has rebuilt multiple times since the rpmlint change. In fact, it
>rebuilt yesterday, and the current binary has today's date on it. I
>accepted a pulseaudio change that will force a rebuild of webkit, so it
>will rebuild again in a bit. I will verify whether it succeeds. I expect
>it will. It has not been failing.
>
>I can also try a local build on my Fedora box and see if I get a failure
>or not. Might tell us whether this is a Ubuntu thing.
>
>On 8/15/13 3:25 AM, "Zhang, Qiang Z"  wrote:
>
>>Yes, Rusty, could you try to retrigger build in OBS? The results should
>>be the same with gbs local build.
>>
>>Thanks
>>Qiang
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: ivi-boun...@lists.tizen.org [mailto:ivi-boun...@lists.tizen.org] On
>>Behalf Of Jian-feng Ding
>>Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 10:03 AM
>>To: Lynch, Rusty
>>Cc: ivi@lists.tizen.org; Nashif, Anas
>>Subject: Re: A failed report of gbs build
>>
>>AFAIK, the mismatching of local and server build result, because the OBS
>>packages were not retriggered to rebuild after the update of rpmlint
>>rules.
>>
>>We need to confirm it.
>>
>>thanks
>>- jf.ding
>>
>>On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 12:00:25PM -0700, Rusty Lynch wrote:
>>> This report is of an instance of local builds not matching the
>>>server...
>>> i.e. the webkit-efl package, which is building successfully on the
>>> server, unable to build locally because of rpmlint issues.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, 2013-08-14 at 18:31 +, Graydon, Tracy wrote:
>>> > No, anything that has not had the rpmlint errors fixed in the git
>>>repos will fail to gbs build. That is correct behavior since we wouldn't
>>>want people to be able to build and submit something against old rpmlint
>>>rules and then fail when submitted to OBS. Someone correct me if I am
>>>wrong here, but I believe the rpmlint stuff actually is pulled into play
>>>via the build.conf, and not the actual package in the repos. In other
>>>words, the developer gets the same version of rpmlint rules that OBS is
>>>using.
>>> > 
>>> > Tracy
>>> > 
>>> > From: , Joel Clark
>>> > mailto:joel.cl...@intel.com>>
>>> > Date: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 3:36 AM
>>> > To: "Zhang, Qiang Z"
>>> > mailto:qiang.z.zh...@intel.com>>, letoe
>>> > mist mailto:letoem...@gmail.com>>,
>>> > "ivi@lists.tizen.org"
>>> > mailto:ivi@lists.tizen.org>>
>>> > Cc: "Nashif, Anas"
>>> > mailto:anas.nas...@intel.com>>
>>> > Subject: RE: A failed report of gbs build
>>> > 
>>> > Does the updated rpmlint-tizen allow gbs to continue to build against
>>>already released download repos?
>>> > 
>>> > Regards
>>> > Joel
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > From: 
>>> > ivi-boun...@lists.tizen.org
>>> > [mailto:ivi-boun...@lists.tizen.org] On Behalf Of Zhang, Qiang Z
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 11:24 PM
>>> > To: letoe mist; ivi@lists.tizen.org
>>> > Cc: Nashif, Anas
>>> > Subject: RE: A failed report of gbs build
>>> > 
>>> > This is caused by latest update of rpmlint-tizen:
>>> > 
>>> > https://review.tizen.org/gerrit/#/c/6043/
>>> > 
>>> > This patch enabled checking the validation of  license, group, etc.
>>> > 
>>> > Maintainer need follow rpmlint error to fix it.
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > Thanks
>>> > Qiang
>>> > 
>>> > From:ivi-boun...@lists.tizen.org
>>> > [mailto:ivi-boun...@lists.tizen.org] On Behalf Of letoe mist
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 5:46 PM
>>> > To: ivi@lists.tizen.org
>>> > Subject: A failed report of gbs build
>>> > 
>>> > Dear All,
>>> >  When I used "gbs build -A i586" in the directory of the
>>>"tizen_20130801.8/platform/framework/web/webkit-efl" to compile and
>>>build the source code.But It reported a failed log. And the attachment
>>>is the log file.Please help me to solve the problem.
>>> > 
>>> > thanks!
>>> > 
>>> > --
>>> > Best Regards
>>> > ___
>>> > IVI mailing list
>>> > IVI@lists.tizen.org
>>> > https://lists.tizen.org/listinfo/ivi
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>>> 
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Tizen IVI capability vs Android

[Suriya Mohan S .]

Hi,

Can you please throw some light and data points on Tizen's IVI capability when 
compared to Android ?

How or in what aspects Tizen is better than Android in Car Head Unit ? In terms 
of the following.


1.   Hardware specifications (CPU, Memory, Storage, Graphics Chip, 
communications modudes (GPS, WiFi, 3G/4G, DSRC etc.)

2.   Software libraries used to perform the different functions on the head 
units

3.   The types of external connections available (e.g. USB, CAN, ODBII, 
HDMI, Audio etc)


Regards,
Suriya.




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Re: A failed report of gbs build

[Graydon, Tracy]

Webkit has rebuilt multiple times since the rpmlint change. In fact, it
rebuilt yesterday, and the current binary has today's date on it. I
accepted a pulseaudio change that will force a rebuild of webkit, so it
will rebuild again in a bit. I will verify whether it succeeds. I expect
it will. It has not been failing.

I can also try a local build on my Fedora box and see if I get a failure
or not. Might tell us whether this is a Ubuntu thing.

On 8/15/13 3:25 AM, "Zhang, Qiang Z"  wrote:

>Yes, Rusty, could you try to retrigger build in OBS? The results should
>be the same with gbs local build.
>
>Thanks
>Qiang
>
>-Original Message-
>From: ivi-boun...@lists.tizen.org [mailto:ivi-boun...@lists.tizen.org] On
>Behalf Of Jian-feng Ding
>Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 10:03 AM
>To: Lynch, Rusty
>Cc: ivi@lists.tizen.org; Nashif, Anas
>Subject: Re: A failed report of gbs build
>
>AFAIK, the mismatching of local and server build result, because the OBS
>packages were not retriggered to rebuild after the update of rpmlint
>rules.
>
>We need to confirm it.
>
>thanks
>- jf.ding
>
>On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 12:00:25PM -0700, Rusty Lynch wrote:
>> This report is of an instance of local builds not matching the server...
>> i.e. the webkit-efl package, which is building successfully on the
>> server, unable to build locally because of rpmlint issues.
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, 2013-08-14 at 18:31 +, Graydon, Tracy wrote:
>> > No, anything that has not had the rpmlint errors fixed in the git
>>repos will fail to gbs build. That is correct behavior since we wouldn't
>>want people to be able to build and submit something against old rpmlint
>>rules and then fail when submitted to OBS. Someone correct me if I am
>>wrong here, but I believe the rpmlint stuff actually is pulled into play
>>via the build.conf, and not the actual package in the repos. In other
>>words, the developer gets the same version of rpmlint rules that OBS is
>>using.
>> > 
>> > Tracy
>> > 
>> > From: , Joel Clark
>> > mailto:joel.cl...@intel.com>>
>> > Date: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 3:36 AM
>> > To: "Zhang, Qiang Z"
>> > mailto:qiang.z.zh...@intel.com>>, letoe
>> > mist mailto:letoem...@gmail.com>>,
>> > "ivi@lists.tizen.org"
>> > mailto:ivi@lists.tizen.org>>
>> > Cc: "Nashif, Anas"
>> > mailto:anas.nas...@intel.com>>
>> > Subject: RE: A failed report of gbs build
>> > 
>> > Does the updated rpmlint-tizen allow gbs to continue to build against
>>already released download repos?
>> > 
>> > Regards
>> > Joel
>> > 
>> > 
>> > From: 
>> > ivi-boun...@lists.tizen.org
>> > [mailto:ivi-boun...@lists.tizen.org] On Behalf Of Zhang, Qiang Z
>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 11:24 PM
>> > To: letoe mist; ivi@lists.tizen.org
>> > Cc: Nashif, Anas
>> > Subject: RE: A failed report of gbs build
>> > 
>> > This is caused by latest update of rpmlint-tizen:
>> > 
>> > https://review.tizen.org/gerrit/#/c/6043/
>> > 
>> > This patch enabled checking the validation of  license, group, etc.
>> > 
>> > Maintainer need follow rpmlint error to fix it.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Thanks
>> > Qiang
>> > 
>> > From:ivi-boun...@lists.tizen.org
>> > [mailto:ivi-boun...@lists.tizen.org] On Behalf Of letoe mist
>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 5:46 PM
>> > To: ivi@lists.tizen.org
>> > Subject: A failed report of gbs build
>> > 
>> > Dear All,
>> >  When I used "gbs build -A i586" in the directory of the
>>"tizen_20130801.8/platform/framework/web/webkit-efl" to compile and
>>build the source code.But It reported a failed log. And the attachment
>>is the log file.Please help me to solve the problem.
>> > 
>> > thanks!
>> > 
>> > --
>> > Best Regards
>> > ___
>> > IVI mailing list
>> > IVI@lists.tizen.org
>> > https://lists.tizen.org/listinfo/ivi
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>> 
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RE: A failed report of gbs build

[Zhang, Qiang Z]

Yes, Rusty, could you try to retrigger build in OBS? The results should be the 
same with gbs local build.

Thanks
Qiang

-Original Message-
From: ivi-boun...@lists.tizen.org [mailto:ivi-boun...@lists.tizen.org] On 
Behalf Of Jian-feng Ding
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 10:03 AM
To: Lynch, Rusty
Cc: ivi@lists.tizen.org; Nashif, Anas
Subject: Re: A failed report of gbs build

AFAIK, the mismatching of local and server build result, because the OBS 
packages were not retriggered to rebuild after the update of rpmlint rules.

We need to confirm it.

thanks
- jf.ding

On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 12:00:25PM -0700, Rusty Lynch wrote:
> This report is of an instance of local builds not matching the server...
> i.e. the webkit-efl package, which is building successfully on the 
> server, unable to build locally because of rpmlint issues.
> 
> 
> On Wed, 2013-08-14 at 18:31 +, Graydon, Tracy wrote:
> > No, anything that has not had the rpmlint errors fixed in the git repos 
> > will fail to gbs build. That is correct behavior since we wouldn't want 
> > people to be able to build and submit something against old rpmlint rules 
> > and then fail when submitted to OBS. Someone correct me if I am wrong here, 
> > but I believe the rpmlint stuff actually is pulled into play via the 
> > build.conf, and not the actual package in the repos. In other words, the 
> > developer gets the same version of rpmlint rules that OBS is using.
> > 
> > Tracy
> > 
> > From: , Joel Clark 
> > mailto:joel.cl...@intel.com>>
> > Date: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 3:36 AM
> > To: "Zhang, Qiang Z" 
> > mailto:qiang.z.zh...@intel.com>>, letoe 
> > mist mailto:letoem...@gmail.com>>, 
> > "ivi@lists.tizen.org" 
> > mailto:ivi@lists.tizen.org>>
> > Cc: "Nashif, Anas" 
> > mailto:anas.nas...@intel.com>>
> > Subject: RE: A failed report of gbs build
> > 
> > Does the updated rpmlint-tizen allow gbs to continue to build against 
> > already released download repos?
> > 
> > Regards
> > Joel
> > 
> > 
> > From: 
> > ivi-boun...@lists.tizen.org 
> > [mailto:ivi-boun...@lists.tizen.org] On Behalf Of Zhang, Qiang Z
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 11:24 PM
> > To: letoe mist; ivi@lists.tizen.org
> > Cc: Nashif, Anas
> > Subject: RE: A failed report of gbs build
> > 
> > This is caused by latest update of rpmlint-tizen:
> > 
> > https://review.tizen.org/gerrit/#/c/6043/
> > 
> > This patch enabled checking the validation of  license, group, etc.
> > 
> > Maintainer need follow rpmlint error to fix it.
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Qiang
> > 
> > From:ivi-boun...@lists.tizen.org 
> > [mailto:ivi-boun...@lists.tizen.org] On Behalf Of letoe mist
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 5:46 PM
> > To: ivi@lists.tizen.org
> > Subject: A failed report of gbs build
> > 
> > Dear All,
> >  When I used "gbs build -A i586" in the directory of the 
> > "tizen_20130801.8/platform/framework/web/webkit-efl" to compile and build 
> > the source code.But It reported a failed log. And the attachment is the log 
> > file.Please help me to solve the problem.
> > 
> > thanks!
> > 
> > --
> > Best Regards
> > ___
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> > IVI@lists.tizen.org
> > https://lists.tizen.org/listinfo/ivi
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