[The Java Posse] Apple forbids for the iPhone even tools that auto-generate ObjC
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've just received this, and I've only got a reference to an italian website, but I think it should be easy to confirm with an international source. Applications may only use Documented APIs in the manner prescribed by Apple and must not use or call any private APIs. Applications must be originally written in Objective-C, C, C++, or JavaScript as executed by the iPhone OS WebKit engine, and only code written in C, C++, and Objective-C may compile and directly link against the Documented APIs (e.g., Applications that link to Documented APIs through an intermediary translation or compatibility layer or tool are prohibited). http://www.theapplelounge.com/news/iphone-os-4-vieta-applicazioni-flash-cs5/ http://www.theapplelounge.com/news/iphone-os-4-vieta-applicazioni-flash-cs5/ This clearly prevents any workaround from Adobe, that thought about a tool to auto-translate Flash stuff into ObjC. But also prevents from using various other tools that allowed to write code e.g. in Java that produced ObjC. I don't think anybody has ever reached these levels of paranoia seen in Apple. It's even embarrassing. - -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager Tidalwave s.a.s. - We make Java work. Everywhere. java.net/blog/fabriziogiudici - www.tidalwave.it/people fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAku/VWkACgkQeDweFqgUGxeLJQCeNLZNuw9/7Eg2QDhcKu7Rk3pY y7EAn17XsBnU/nQRE82nboI7Iy2g5zLZ =mZ69 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
Re: [The Java Posse] Apple forbids for the iPhone even tools that auto-generate ObjC
So how do you determine the source of the source? On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Fabrizio Giudici fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've just received this, and I've only got a reference to an italian website, but I think it should be easy to confirm with an international source. Applications may only use Documented APIs in the manner prescribed by Apple and must not use or call any private APIs. Applications must be originally written in Objective-C, C, C++, or JavaScript as executed by the iPhone OS WebKit engine, and only code written in C, C++, and Objective-C may compile and directly link against the Documented APIs (e.g., Applications that link to Documented APIs through an intermediary translation or compatibility layer or tool are prohibited). http://www.theapplelounge.com/news/iphone-os-4-vieta-applicazioni-flash-cs5/ http://www.theapplelounge.com/news/iphone-os-4-vieta-applicazioni-flash-cs5/ This clearly prevents any workaround from Adobe, that thought about a tool to auto-translate Flash stuff into ObjC. But also prevents from using various other tools that allowed to write code e.g. in Java that produced ObjC. I don't think anybody has ever reached these levels of paranoia seen in Apple. It's even embarrassing. - -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager Tidalwave s.a.s. - We make Java work. Everywhere. java.net/blog/fabriziogiudici - www.tidalwave.it/people fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAku/VWkACgkQeDweFqgUGxeLJQCeNLZNuw9/7Eg2QDhcKu7Rk3pY y7EAn17XsBnU/nQRE82nboI7Iy2g5zLZ =mZ69 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comjavaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- Viktor Klang | A complex system that works is invariably | found to have evolved from a simple system | that worked. - John Gall Akka - the Actor Kernel: Akkasource.org Twttr: twitter.com/viktorklang -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
Re: [The Java Posse] Apple forbids for the iPhone even tools that auto-generate ObjC
Programming forensics ( http://victoria.tc.ca/int-grps/books/techrev/fp1syl.htm), perhaps? Seems like an awful amount of work ($$) to go through just to block innovation. Apple wouldn't be that evil...would they? =) On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Viktor Klang viktor.kl...@gmail.com wrote: So how do you determine the source of the source? On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Fabrizio Giudici fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've just received this, and I've only got a reference to an italian website, but I think it should be easy to confirm with an international source. Applications may only use Documented APIs in the manner prescribed by Apple and must not use or call any private APIs. Applications must be originally written in Objective-C, C, C++, or JavaScript as executed by the iPhone OS WebKit engine, and only code written in C, C++, and Objective-C may compile and directly link against the Documented APIs (e.g., Applications that link to Documented APIs through an intermediary translation or compatibility layer or tool are prohibited). http://www.theapplelounge.com/news/iphone-os-4-vieta-applicazioni-flash-cs5/ http://www.theapplelounge.com/news/iphone-os-4-vieta-applicazioni-flash-cs5/ This clearly prevents any workaround from Adobe, that thought about a tool to auto-translate Flash stuff into ObjC. But also prevents from using various other tools that allowed to write code e.g. in Java that produced ObjC. I don't think anybody has ever reached these levels of paranoia seen in Apple. It's even embarrassing. - -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager Tidalwave s.a.s. - We make Java work. Everywhere. java.net/blog/fabriziogiudici - www.tidalwave.it/people fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAku/VWkACgkQeDweFqgUGxeLJQCeNLZNuw9/7Eg2QDhcKu7Rk3pY y7EAn17XsBnU/nQRE82nboI7Iy2g5zLZ =mZ69 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comjavaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- Viktor Klang | A complex system that works is invariably | found to have evolved from a simple system | that worked. - John Gall Akka - the Actor Kernel: Akkasource.org Twttr: twitter.com/viktorklang -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comjavaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
Re: [The Java Posse] Apple forbids for the iPhone even tools that auto-generate ObjC
if the future is comprised of iPads and iPhones, will the javaposse change to objective C posse? or maybe javascript posse? On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Viktor Klang viktor.kl...@gmail.com wrote: So how do you determine the source of the source? On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Fabrizio Giudici fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've just received this, and I've only got a reference to an italian website, but I think it should be easy to confirm with an international source. Applications may only use Documented APIs in the manner prescribed by Apple and must not use or call any private APIs. Applications must be originally written in Objective-C, C, C++, or JavaScript as executed by the iPhone OS WebKit engine, and only code written in C, C++, and Objective-C may compile and directly link against the Documented APIs (e.g., Applications that link to Documented APIs through an intermediary translation or compatibility layer or tool are prohibited). http://www.theapplelounge.com/news/iphone-os-4-vieta-applicazioni-flash-cs5/ http://www.theapplelounge.com/news/iphone-os-4-vieta-applicazioni-flash-cs5/ This clearly prevents any workaround from Adobe, that thought about a tool to auto-translate Flash stuff into ObjC. But also prevents from using various other tools that allowed to write code e.g. in Java that produced ObjC. I don't think anybody has ever reached these levels of paranoia seen in Apple. It's even embarrassing. - -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager Tidalwave s.a.s. - We make Java work. Everywhere. java.net/blog/fabriziogiudici - www.tidalwave.it/people fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAku/VWkACgkQeDweFqgUGxeLJQCeNLZNuw9/7Eg2QDhcKu7Rk3pY y7EAn17XsBnU/nQRE82nboI7Iy2g5zLZ =mZ69 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comjavaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- Viktor Klang | A complex system that works is invariably | found to have evolved from a simple system | that worked. - John Gall Akka - the Actor Kernel: Akkasource.org Twttr: twitter.com/viktorklang -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comjavaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- http://mapsdev.blogspot.com/ Marcelo Takeshi Fukushima -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
Re: [The Java Posse] Apple forbids for the iPhone even tools that auto-generate ObjC
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Steven Siebert smsi...@gmail.com wrote: Programming forensics ( http://victoria.tc.ca/int-grps/books/techrev/fp1syl.htm), perhaps? Seems like an awful amount of work ($$) to go through just to block innovation. Apple wouldn't be that evil...would they? =) Is programming by code monkey also a code generation tool? On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Viktor Klang viktor.kl...@gmail.comwrote: So how do you determine the source of the source? On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Fabrizio Giudici fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've just received this, and I've only got a reference to an italian website, but I think it should be easy to confirm with an international source. Applications may only use Documented APIs in the manner prescribed by Apple and must not use or call any private APIs. Applications must be originally written in Objective-C, C, C++, or JavaScript as executed by the iPhone OS WebKit engine, and only code written in C, C++, and Objective-C may compile and directly link against the Documented APIs (e.g., Applications that link to Documented APIs through an intermediary translation or compatibility layer or tool are prohibited). http://www.theapplelounge.com/news/iphone-os-4-vieta-applicazioni-flash-cs5/ http://www.theapplelounge.com/news/iphone-os-4-vieta-applicazioni-flash-cs5/ This clearly prevents any workaround from Adobe, that thought about a tool to auto-translate Flash stuff into ObjC. But also prevents from using various other tools that allowed to write code e.g. in Java that produced ObjC. I don't think anybody has ever reached these levels of paranoia seen in Apple. It's even embarrassing. - -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager Tidalwave s.a.s. - We make Java work. Everywhere. java.net/blog/fabriziogiudici - www.tidalwave.it/people fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAku/VWkACgkQeDweFqgUGxeLJQCeNLZNuw9/7Eg2QDhcKu7Rk3pY y7EAn17XsBnU/nQRE82nboI7Iy2g5zLZ =mZ69 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comjavaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- Viktor Klang | A complex system that works is invariably | found to have evolved from a simple system | that worked. - John Gall Akka - the Actor Kernel: Akkasource.org Twttr: twitter.com/viktorklang -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comjavaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comjavaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- Viktor Klang | A complex system that works is invariably | found to have evolved from a simple system | that worked. - John Gall Akka - the Actor Kernel: Akkasource.org Twttr: twitter.com/viktorklang -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
Re: [The Java Posse] Apple forbids for the iPhone even tools that auto-generate ObjC
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 4/9/10 19:59 , Viktor Klang wrote: So how do you determine the source of the source? Since the post refers to a paragraph of the Apple - developer agreement, which is under NDA, I don't expect that there will be an official source... soon. Maybe the EFF will be able to post a copy with the trick about the public administration transparency as they did with NASA, but it might require some time. It's that I didn't think that the original poster is italian, so I expected an english version. In fact, here it is the original: http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/iphone_agreement_bans_flash_compiler - -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager Tidalwave s.a.s. - We make Java work. Everywhere. java.net/blog/fabriziogiudici - www.tidalwave.it/people fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAku/lLAACgkQeDweFqgUGxfcjwCghXCEehW/hiBQKVLWbaoBleSX EDMAoLWN52rFp1/GSSSyYag6KgbhIgkD =fDDt -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
