[JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list
Personally, I think Eloquence is tops. Sunny Day Maria Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Always remember to forget the troubles that pass your way; BUT NEVER forget the blessings that come each day. - Original Message - From: Dale Leavens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 10:45 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list How is it so difficult to understand that is the compromise? It takes a lot more code to be executed and a lot more memory to be accessed to provide very high quality human sounding speech. This takes time and computer processor cycles. There is a reason why super sonic jet fighters are very small and not well suited to hauling cargo. It might be possible to get similar performance out of a wide body passenger jet with enough effort but the example of Concord demonstrates people aren't willing to pay for it. In this day and age for sure blind people are not willing to pay for that level of performance, what I constantly hear is that blind people aren't happy about paying for current levels of performance. Sorry moderator if this is verging on the limits of list topic. It seems though that we are unsure about what it is we require from our access technology, access, versatility, speed, luxury or just what? Be careful what you wish for. Our scanning and reading software hasn't brought us any real advances in print reading for at least a decade. It does give us all sorts of voices and dictionaries and buggy access to already available libraries which many of us are refused access to but the actual reading capability depends on other software providers like Abbey. For my money I would prefer screen access technology which gives me reliable screen access to all of the functions of my computer and so long as it is intelligible I'll accept that until the primary functions are achieved. When we no longer have queries about scripts to be able to use this or that, when all Web sites are rendered intelligible, when Word or Access or Visual Basic and other IDES work for us then is the time to worry about absolute language perfection. Seamless and convenient access is where I prefer Freedom Scientific to spend their development time and money on. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Ricque [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 9:43 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list Actually, no new voices have been integrated into Jaws. Version 8.0 of Jaws shipped on cd with the RealSpeak Solo voices on a seperate cd. Everyone should be clear on the fact that these voices are not a part of the Eloquence synthesizer that ships with Jaws. The voices available at Nextup.com, are Sappi compliant voices that will work with Jaws. Sappi is a different synthesizer altogether. Now, it would be nice if the Eloquence synthesizer that Jaws uses, could incorporate these newer voices, so we could have better speech output, with the performance of Eloquence. I don't have any idea how this would be done, but you would think in this modern age of technology, it would be possible. HTH, Richard Justice - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 7:46 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list Chris asks: will those nextup voices like kate or whatever ever be integrated into jaws? Or at least work with it? I like the voices a lot. It's either nextup or something...neovoices*deep sigh* To answer your question Chris: The NextUp voices have already been integrated into JAWS 8. Those voices are actually ATT Natural Voices and I've had them on my PC for almost 3 years although they really drag down the performance of my outdated computer. Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - A sense of duty is useful in work, but offensive in personal relations. People wish to be liked, not be endured with patient resignation. - Bertrand Russell -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.1/691 - Release Date: 17/02/2007 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list%40googlegroups.com/ In order to contact the management team simply fill out the following form found at: http://www.jaws-users.com/contact.php You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups JAWS Users List group. To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send
[JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list
I'm all set, thanks. I changed the address already. Sunny Day Maria Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Always remember to forget the troubles that pass your way; BUT NEVER forget the blessings that come each day. - Original Message - From: David Ferrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 11:36 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list If you're referring to responsiveness then I agree completely. Compared to the voices computers were using back in 1989 when I first got started Eloquence is a world apart. Thanks for your feed back and I've noticed you have a new email address as well. Do you need me to remove the old address for you or did you unsubscribe it before making the change over? David Ferrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 11:07 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list Personally, I think Eloquence is tops. Sunny Day Maria Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Always remember to forget the troubles that pass your way; BUT NEVER forget the blessings that come each day. - Original Message - From: Dale Leavens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 10:45 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list How is it so difficult to understand that is the compromise? It takes a lot more code to be executed and a lot more memory to be accessed to provide very high quality human sounding speech. This takes time and computer processor cycles. There is a reason why super sonic jet fighters are very small and not well suited to hauling cargo. It might be possible to get similar performance out of a wide body passenger jet with enough effort but the example of Concord demonstrates people aren't willing to pay for it. In this day and age for sure blind people are not willing to pay for that level of performance, what I constantly hear is that blind people aren't happy about paying for current levels of performance. Sorry moderator if this is verging on the limits of list topic. It seems though that we are unsure about what it is we require from our access technology, access, versatility, speed, luxury or just what? Be careful what you wish for. Our scanning and reading software hasn't brought us any real advances in print reading for at least a decade. It does give us all sorts of voices and dictionaries and buggy access to already available libraries which many of us are refused access to but the actual reading capability depends on other software providers like Abbey. For my money I would prefer screen access technology which gives me reliable screen access to all of the functions of my computer and so long as it is intelligible I'll accept that until the primary functions are achieved. When we no longer have queries about scripts to be able to use this or that, when all Web sites are rendered intelligible, when Word or Access or Visual Basic and other IDES work for us then is the time to worry about absolute language perfection. Seamless and convenient access is where I prefer Freedom Scientific to spend their development time and money on. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Ricque [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 9:43 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list Actually, no new voices have been integrated into Jaws. Version 8.0 of Jaws shipped on cd with the RealSpeak Solo voices on a seperate cd. Everyone should be clear on the fact that these voices are not a part of the Eloquence synthesizer that ships with Jaws. The voices available at Nextup.com, are Sappi compliant voices that will work with Jaws. Sappi is a different synthesizer altogether. Now, it would be nice if the Eloquence synthesizer that Jaws uses, could incorporate these newer voices, so we could have better speech output, with the performance of Eloquence. I don't have any idea how this would be done, but you would think in this modern age of technology, it would be possible. HTH, Richard Justice - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 7:46 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: glad to be on the list Chris asks: will those nextup voices like kate or whatever ever be integrated into jaws? Or at least work with it? I like the voices a lot. It's either nextup or something...neovoices*deep sigh* To answer your question Chris: The NextUp voices have already been integrated into JAWS 8. Those voices are actually ATT Natural Voices and I've had them on my PC for almost 3 years
