[JAWS-Users] Guide to windows 10 1803 by Jim Flusche?

[Michael Amaro]

Hello Listers,

There used to be a gentleman By the name of Jim Flusche.  Every time a new 
version of windows 10 came up, he would put out ajaws users guide on how to use 
jaws with windows 10 accordingly.  The last one he did was on windows 10 1709 I 
believe.  I haven't seen one for 1803.  Is he no longer doing them?  I  found 
them very helpful.

Thanks

Michael

skype/email:

mikeam...@earthlink.net

iPhone email:

mikeam...@icloud.com

JFK"

What kind of peace do I mean? What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax 
Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of 
the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace, the 
kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living, the kind that enables men 
and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their 
children--not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and women--not 
merely peace in our time but peace for all time"
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Shade Screen

[Sadam Ahmed]

No, it just says off or on.


On 14/05/2018 1:50 PM, cheez wrote:

Isn't JAWS supposed to say, "Shade screen," when you press insert, spacebar, 
and then print screen?  or am I doing the wrong keystrokes?

Vince
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--
Yours sincerely,

Sadam Ahmed

JAWS certified, 2018
   
FaceTime, iMessage & email


sa...@sadamahmed.com


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[JAWS-Users] Shade Screen

[cheez]

Isn't JAWS supposed to say, "Shade screen," when you press insert, spacebar, 
and then print screen?  or am I doing the wrong keystrokes?

Vince
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http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

[Dennis Long]

Do not use that service!  The support when there is a problem is poor to 
nonexistent.  I contacted the developer through the information he could hear 
me just fine until I said there is a problem then I got what ? what? And hung 
up on.  He never returned calls or emails.  I use  Rumola. 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Tom Fairhurst
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 7:32 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

I'm chiming in late here, but how do Chrome users solve captchas? I've heard of 
Captcha Be Gone.

-Original Message-
From: gary-melconian
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 6:15 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

Have not used firefox ever since the massive changes that firefox did with 
57 and beyond.  I just  use chrome more then I used firefox versions.   As 
with chrome, there are all kinds of accessibility extensions and other 
extension that  makes my browsing a  pleasure on chrome where as on firefox its 
like going through sites  on a horse and buggy where as on chrome its like 
going through sites with a fast sports car.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 3:50 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

Aaron,

Thanks for posting your detailed rant. I, too, am enormously frustrated that 
browsing has become so time--consuming and sometimes unreliable. I'm constantly 
switching among three browsers and two versions of JAWS because different 
combinations work best with different websites, and even then some websites 
remain hard, if not impossible, to navigate. The other day, a certain website 
owner had taken steps to make everything accessible, only for me to install 
Firefox 60 and generate a host of new issues. No wonder some website designers 
get frustrated with accessibility obligations.

Developments on the Web seem to be moving faster than screenreader companies 
can keep up with. But I wonder why non-screenreader users aren't also 
encountering limitations with different browsers, since each seems to function 
differently.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
Valiant8086
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 3:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

Hi.


I switched to Firefox  60, found it still a bit lacking in performance, and 
switched back to Chrome. A site that makes it painfully clear which one is 
winning is amazon.com. Just doing a search for something and noticing how long 
pages need to appear and be readable, and how responsive navigation keys arrows 
and quick nav etc are. Firefox is almost back to what it was in 52, but not 
totally. I was under the impression it would run better than chrome but that 
hasn't been so for me.


Edge is reasonably quick loading pages and allowing me to begin arrowing on 
them, but the way it announces going in and out of regions and such is very 
verbose and I find it slows me down too much. I'm really a little annoyed at 
just how much it seems to be asking to have a really good browsing experience 
this day and age. Chrome doesn't have it all either, it can easily get messed 
up and start using all of your ram. I'm not having that problem myself luckily, 
but I have multiple friends that are, each of them on multiple computers too.


In any case, I'm not trying to convert you folks to Chrome or anything like 
that, guess I wanted to rant a little.



Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy 
Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - 
http://valiantGalaxy.com";



On 5/11/2018 4:17 PM, Cristóbal wrote:
> I wrote VFO with issues I was having with Jaws and Firefox 60 and Jaws
> losing speech for a second or two when arrowing around a webpage.
> Almost as if it was catching up with the keystrokes. Jaws wasn't slow
> or sluggish per say as when it was moving around, it felt responsive,
> but the speech silencing thing was getting annoying. That along with
> an existing issue I've been having with Jaws just randomly losing
> focus on any site and me having to maximize the window or tab or shift
> plus tab to get focus back all the time made the user experience a 
> frustrating one.
> The response I got back was:
> Thank you for contacting VFO ® Technical Support.  I have tried
> Firefox 60 with the most recent version of JAWS® 2018 and have not
> really found the issues you mention.  At times, I have found that
> sometimes, when a Web site is still loading, it might get sluggish,
> but if you give it a minute or 2, you can navigate just fine.  I just
> spent about 5-10 minutes navigating a very resource-intensive Web site
> and was actually very impressed with performance.  Therefore, I am not
> sure this is a general issue but one 

Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

[gary-melconian]

In chrome there is a button called chrome store, launch it and  type 
accessibility and all kinds of wonderful accessibility extensions are offered 
to you.  

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Justin Williams
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 6:23 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

With chrome, where can I find the extentions?  I'd like to try chrome with JAWS.
 Justin

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of gary-melconian
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 8:12 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

Search for captia on the chrome store and you will find it.its escaping me at 
the moment.  

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Tom Fairhurst
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 4:32 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

I'm chiming in late here, but how do Chrome users solve captchas? I've heard of 
Captcha Be Gone.

-Original Message-
From: gary-melconian
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 6:15 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

Have not used firefox ever since the massive changes that firefox did with 
57 and beyond.  I just  use chrome more then I used firefox versions.   As 
with chrome, there are all kinds of accessibility extensions and other 
extension that  makes my browsing a  pleasure on chrome where as on firefox its 
like going through sites  on a horse and buggy where as on chrome its like 
going through sites with a fast sports car.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 3:50 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

Aaron,

Thanks for posting your detailed rant. I, too, am enormously frustrated that 
browsing has become so time--consuming and sometimes unreliable. I'm constantly 
switching among three browsers and two versions of JAWS because different 
combinations work best with different websites, and even then some websites 
remain hard, if not impossible, to navigate. The other day, a certain website 
owner had taken steps to make everything accessible, only for me to install 
Firefox 60 and generate a host of new issues. No wonder some website designers 
get frustrated with accessibility obligations.

Developments on the Web seem to be moving faster than screenreader companies 
can keep up with. But I wonder why non-screenreader users aren't also 
encountering limitations with different browsers, since each seems to function 
differently.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
Valiant8086
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 3:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

Hi.


I switched to Firefox  60, found it still a bit lacking in performance, and 
switched back to Chrome. A site that makes it painfully clear which one is 
winning is amazon.com. Just doing a search for something and noticing how long 
pages need to appear and be readable, and how responsive navigation keys arrows 
and quick nav etc are. Firefox is almost back to what it was in 52, but not 
totally. I was under the impression it would run better than chrome but that 
hasn't been so for me.


Edge is reasonably quick loading pages and allowing me to begin arrowing on 
them, but the way it announces going in and out of regions and such is very 
verbose and I find it slows me down too much. I'm really a little annoyed at 
just how much it seems to be asking to have a really good browsing experience 
this day and age. Chrome doesn't have it all either, it can easily get messed 
up and start using all of your ram. I'm not having that problem myself luckily, 
but I have multiple friends that are, each of them on multiple computers too.


In any case, I'm not trying to convert you folks to Chrome or anything like 
that, guess I wanted to rant a little.



Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates 
"We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - 
http://valiantGalaxy.com";



On 5/11/2018 4:17 PM, Cristóbal wrote:
> I wrote VFO with issues I was having with Jaws and Firefox 60 and Jaws 
> losing speech for a second or two when arrowing around a webpage.
> Almost as if it was catching up with the keystrokes. Jaws wasn't slow 
> or sluggish per say as when it was moving around, it felt responsive, 
> but the speech silencing thing was getting annoying. That along with 
> an existing issue I've been having with Jaws just randomly losing 
> focus on any site and me having to maximize the window or tab or shift 
> plus tab to get focus back all the time made the user experience a 
> frustrating one.
> The response I got back was:
> Th

Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

[Kevin Lee]

You can send Mozilla feedback via the help menu
Open firefox
Press the alt key
Arrow to the help on the menu bar
When on help
Arrow down to submit feedback
You get transferred to a page where you can type whatever and submit it to 
mozilla
There is a place for your email, but don’t expect mozilla to contact you!


E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

From: Dennis Long
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 7:59 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

I would appreciate it if anyone knows of ideas.  Is there any to get in
touch with firefox support?

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 2:29 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

Not for Firefox Quantum, as far as I understand. I don't use so I haven't
looked into it really, but it was being discussed elsewhere. Maybe someone
else on-list can suggest an alternative if you want to use navigational
sounds.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long
Sent: May 13, 2018 9:54 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

Is there a addon for firefox 60 that does what navigational sounds  does?
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of james_hoo...@earthlink.net
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2018 4:51 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

Yes could I get a copy?

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
gary-melconian
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 4:59 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

I have a 64 bit 52.8 ESR if someone needs it. Since my systems have more
then 4GB on them.  

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 3:33 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

I still had a 52.X ESR installer on my system. SO I just uninstalled V60,
ran the 52.X installer and updated to the most current one capable with the
older version and am now am on Firefox Version 52.8.0. The same one I was on
before trying the Quantum or whatever it's called.
The other issue I was having with Firefox 60 and Jaws on The Old Reader: 
This is what I sent VFO:
I am noticing with the latest Firefox 60 (ESR and standard version) when
browsing down my list of RSS posts. Be it in a particular feed’s entries, a
folder created by me or even in the all posts view, when I click enter or
press the spacebar to expand that particular entry to show the summary (this
is in list view. Not full view) and then later wish to do the same for
another RSS entry, Jaws doesn’t appear to be able to accomplish this second
task.
I’ve tried using the Jaws cursor, maximizing the window and then pressing
enter or spacebar, tabbing to be sure Jaws focus isn’t somewhere else, but
nothing seems to work. It’s basically pick one RSS entry and that’s it. The
only thing I can do to be able to select another RSS entry to view is do an
entire page refresh. Which isn’t a solution as once the refresh occurs, all
previously unread posts are marked as read.
In my case, The Older Reader is marked as my home page and I refer to it all
the time. So this one bug is proving to be quite disruptive. I don’t know if
it has something to do with a virtual buffer focus or some other element,
but I am not able to figure it out on my end. To be clear, this particular
behavior is not present in prior versions of Firefox. I have been using the
V 52.x ESR version before upgrading to v60 without this issue present.
So anyway, in the same email response I pasted below, I got this note from
the same tech:
Also, I did see your other e-mail in which you mentioned a specific Web
site.  I did look at that Web site, but I found that it requires signing up
for an account to see the issues.  If you could provide us with a site with
these issues that does not require signing up for an account, that would be
very helpful.

Ok... but as I specifically mentioned this website, it kind of defeats the
purpose...
Again, probably one of those things I'd have to call in to better
demonstrate the exact problem, but I'm busy throughout the day and always on
the phone, doubt I'd be able to do it any time soon.
This is why I figured in part to just go back to V 52 and maybe wait for
another Jaws or Firefox release with hopefully some more improvements. I've
waited a few months, what's a couple of more weeks...
As long as you don't mess with your profile on your system, then
uninstalling and reinstalling any version of Firefox shouldn't be a big
deal. That said, standard caveats of backing up and all that apply. Also, I
do have a Firefox account for easier browser syncing between multiple PCs
and my iPhon

Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

[Dennis Long]

I would appreciate it if anyone knows of ideas.  Is there any to get in
touch with firefox support?

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 2:29 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

Not for Firefox Quantum, as far as I understand. I don't use so I haven't
looked into it really, but it was being discussed elsewhere. Maybe someone
else on-list can suggest an alternative if you want to use navigational
sounds.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long
Sent: May 13, 2018 9:54 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

Is there a addon for firefox 60 that does what navigational sounds  does?
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of james_hoo...@earthlink.net
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2018 4:51 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

Yes could I get a copy?

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
gary-melconian
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 4:59 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

I have a 64 bit 52.8 ESR if someone needs it. Since my systems have more
then 4GB on them.  

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 3:33 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

I still had a 52.X ESR installer on my system. SO I just uninstalled V60,
ran the 52.X installer and updated to the most current one capable with the
older version and am now am on Firefox Version 52.8.0. The same one I was on
before trying the Quantum or whatever it's called.
The other issue I was having with Firefox 60 and Jaws on The Old Reader: 
This is what I sent VFO:
I am noticing with the latest Firefox 60 (ESR and standard version) when
browsing down my list of RSS posts. Be it in a particular feed’s entries, a
folder created by me or even in the all posts view, when I click enter or
press the spacebar to expand that particular entry to show the summary (this
is in list view. Not full view) and then later wish to do the same for
another RSS entry, Jaws doesn’t appear to be able to accomplish this second
task.
I’ve tried using the Jaws cursor, maximizing the window and then pressing
enter or spacebar, tabbing to be sure Jaws focus isn’t somewhere else, but
nothing seems to work. It’s basically pick one RSS entry and that’s it. The
only thing I can do to be able to select another RSS entry to view is do an
entire page refresh. Which isn’t a solution as once the refresh occurs, all
previously unread posts are marked as read.
In my case, The Older Reader is marked as my home page and I refer to it all
the time. So this one bug is proving to be quite disruptive. I don’t know if
it has something to do with a virtual buffer focus or some other element,
but I am not able to figure it out on my end. To be clear, this particular
behavior is not present in prior versions of Firefox. I have been using the
V 52.x ESR version before upgrading to v60 without this issue present.
So anyway, in the same email response I pasted below, I got this note from
the same tech:
Also, I did see your other e-mail in which you mentioned a specific Web
site.  I did look at that Web site, but I found that it requires signing up
for an account to see the issues.  If you could provide us with a site with
these issues that does not require signing up for an account, that would be
very helpful.

Ok... but as I specifically mentioned this website, it kind of defeats the
purpose...
Again, probably one of those things I'd have to call in to better
demonstrate the exact problem, but I'm busy throughout the day and always on
the phone, doubt I'd be able to do it any time soon.
This is why I figured in part to just go back to V 52 and maybe wait for
another Jaws or Firefox release with hopefully some more improvements. I've
waited a few months, what's a couple of more weeks...
As long as you don't mess with your profile on your system, then
uninstalling and reinstalling any version of Firefox shouldn't be a big
deal. That said, standard caveats of backing up and all that apply. Also, I
do have a Firefox account for easier browser syncing between multiple PCs
and my iPhone so there's that too.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 1:59 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

How did you revert to 52ESR? By uninstalling 60 and reinstalling 52ESR? I'm
hoping it was something else. I'd love to get 52ESR back with my settings
intact. meanwhile, I urge everyone else having problems with Firefo

[JAWS-Users] remembering web addresses

[Judy]

Hi, all,

 

Somehow I turned off the setting in IE that automatically types in website
addresses that you use a lot. Where in the internet options do I go to turn
that back on, or what do I do? Thanks. Using Windows 7 and Jaws 14 and IE
11.  Judy & Libby

 

 

 

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http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

[Fernando Gregoire]

Hi Adrian,

Non-screen reader users find less limitations because web developers often try 
and patch their pages on a case by case basis for the major browsers.
The problem with accessibility is not only the different implementation of ARIA 
support in different browsers, but also different implementation of ARIA 
support in each screen reader, which is different itself and highly dependant 
on how each browser provides this support. If this is a big mess thinking only 
in different JAWS versions, this complicates even more when evaluating NVDA 
(luckily the source code is available and has some useful development and 
testing tools not present in JAWS). Do you imagine this big mess if you add 
other less used screen readers like Windows 10 Narrator, Xerox SystemAccess, 
Dolphin Hal/Supernova, and Thunder? Note that I only mentioned screen readers 
for Windows, excluding different TalkBack versions and other tools available 
for Android, iOS and Macintosh VoiceOver, etc.

I don't know why, but usually I don't need to switch between different 
browsers. Chrome is very accessible and functional for browsing, but honestly I 
am trying each new Firefox release in wait to the problems with JAWS get 
finally fixed, because it offers an UI and more customizability than Chrome.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of 
Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 7:50 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

Aaron,

Thanks for posting your detailed rant. I, too, am enormously frustrated that 
browsing has become so time--consuming and sometimes unreliable. I'm constantly 
switching among three browsers and two versions of JAWS because different 
combinations work best with different websites, and even then some websites 
remain hard, if not impossible, to navigate. The other day, a certain website 
owner had taken steps to make everything accessible, only for me to install 
Firefox 60 and generate a host of new issues. No wonder some website designers 
get frustrated with accessibility obligations. 

Developments on the Web seem to be moving faster than screenreader companies 
can keep up with. But I wonder why non-screenreader users aren't also 
encountering limitations with different browsers, since each seems to function 
differently. 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of 
Valiant8086
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 3:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

Hi.


I switched to Firefox  60, found it still a bit lacking in performance, and 
switched back to Chrome. A site that makes it painfully clear which one is 
winning is amazon.com. Just doing a search for something and noticing how long 
pages need to appear and be readable, and how responsive navigation keys arrows 
and quick nav etc are. Firefox is almost back to what it was in 52, but not 
totally. I was under the impression it would run better than chrome but that 
hasn't been so for me.


Edge is reasonably quick loading pages and allowing me to begin arrowing on 
them, but the way it announces going in and out of regions and such is very 
verbose and I find it slows me down too much. I'm really a little annoyed at 
just how much it seems to be asking to have a really good browsing experience 
this day and age. Chrome doesn't have it all either, it can easily get messed 
up and start using all of your ram. I'm not having that problem myself luckily, 
but I have multiple friends that are, each of them on multiple computers too.


In any case, I'm not trying to convert you folks to Chrome or anything like 
that, guess I wanted to rant a little.



Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates 
"We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - 
http://valiantGalaxy.com";



On 5/11/2018 4:17 PM, Cristóbal wrote:
> I wrote VFO with issues I was having with Jaws and Firefox 60 and Jaws 
> losing speech for a second or two when arrowing around a webpage. 
> Almost as if it was catching up with the keystrokes. Jaws wasn't slow 
> or sluggish per say as when it was moving around, it felt responsive, 
> but the speech silencing thing was getting annoying. That along with 
> an existing issue I've been having with Jaws just randomly losing 
> focus on any site and me having to maximize the window or tab or shift 
> plus tab to get focus back all the time made the user experience a 
> frustrating one.
> The response I got back was:
> Thank you for contacting VFO ® Technical Support.  I have tried 
> Firefox 60 with the most recent version of JAWS® 2018 and have not 
> really found the issues you mention.  At times, I have found that 
> sometimes, when a Web site is still loading, it might get sluggish, 
> but if you give it a minute or 2, you can navigate just fine.  I just 
> spent about 5-10 minutes navigating a very resource-intensive Web site 
> and was actually very impressed with performance.  Ther

Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

[Justin Williams]

With chrome, where can I find the extentions?  I'd like to try chrome with JAWS.
 Justin

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of gary-melconian
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 8:12 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

Search for captia on the chrome store and you will find it.its escaping me at 
the moment.  

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Tom Fairhurst
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 4:32 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

I'm chiming in late here, but how do Chrome users solve captchas? I've heard of 
Captcha Be Gone.

-Original Message-
From: gary-melconian
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 6:15 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

Have not used firefox ever since the massive changes that firefox did with 
57 and beyond.  I just  use chrome more then I used firefox versions.   As 
with chrome, there are all kinds of accessibility extensions and other 
extension that  makes my browsing a  pleasure on chrome where as on firefox its 
like going through sites  on a horse and buggy where as on chrome its like 
going through sites with a fast sports car.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 3:50 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

Aaron,

Thanks for posting your detailed rant. I, too, am enormously frustrated that 
browsing has become so time--consuming and sometimes unreliable. I'm constantly 
switching among three browsers and two versions of JAWS because different 
combinations work best with different websites, and even then some websites 
remain hard, if not impossible, to navigate. The other day, a certain website 
owner had taken steps to make everything accessible, only for me to install 
Firefox 60 and generate a host of new issues. No wonder some website designers 
get frustrated with accessibility obligations.

Developments on the Web seem to be moving faster than screenreader companies 
can keep up with. But I wonder why non-screenreader users aren't also 
encountering limitations with different browsers, since each seems to function 
differently.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
Valiant8086
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 3:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

Hi.


I switched to Firefox  60, found it still a bit lacking in performance, and 
switched back to Chrome. A site that makes it painfully clear which one is 
winning is amazon.com. Just doing a search for something and noticing how long 
pages need to appear and be readable, and how responsive navigation keys arrows 
and quick nav etc are. Firefox is almost back to what it was in 52, but not 
totally. I was under the impression it would run better than chrome but that 
hasn't been so for me.


Edge is reasonably quick loading pages and allowing me to begin arrowing on 
them, but the way it announces going in and out of regions and such is very 
verbose and I find it slows me down too much. I'm really a little annoyed at 
just how much it seems to be asking to have a really good browsing experience 
this day and age. Chrome doesn't have it all either, it can easily get messed 
up and start using all of your ram. I'm not having that problem myself luckily, 
but I have multiple friends that are, each of them on multiple computers too.


In any case, I'm not trying to convert you folks to Chrome or anything like 
that, guess I wanted to rant a little.



Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates 
"We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - 
http://valiantGalaxy.com";



On 5/11/2018 4:17 PM, Cristóbal wrote:
> I wrote VFO with issues I was having with Jaws and Firefox 60 and Jaws 
> losing speech for a second or two when arrowing around a webpage.
> Almost as if it was catching up with the keystrokes. Jaws wasn't slow 
> or sluggish per say as when it was moving around, it felt responsive, 
> but the speech silencing thing was getting annoying. That along with 
> an existing issue I've been having with Jaws just randomly losing 
> focus on any site and me having to maximize the window or tab or shift 
> plus tab to get focus back all the time made the user experience a 
> frustrating one.
> The response I got back was:
> Thank you for contacting VFO ® Technical Support.  I have tried 
> Firefox 60 with the most recent version of JAWS® 2018 and have not 
> really found the issues you mention.  At times, I have found that 
> sometimes, when a Web site is still loading, it might get sluggish, 
> but if you give it a minute or 2, you can navigate just fine.  I just 
> spent about 5-10 minutes navigating a very reso

Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

[gary-melconian]

Search for captia on the chrome store and you will find it.its escaping me at 
the moment.  

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Tom Fairhurst
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 4:32 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

I'm chiming in late here, but how do Chrome users solve captchas? I've heard of 
Captcha Be Gone.

-Original Message-
From: gary-melconian
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 6:15 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

Have not used firefox ever since the massive changes that firefox did with 
57 and beyond.  I just  use chrome more then I used firefox versions.   As 
with chrome, there are all kinds of accessibility extensions and other 
extension that  makes my browsing a  pleasure on chrome where as on firefox its 
like going through sites  on a horse and buggy where as on chrome its like 
going through sites with a fast sports car.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 3:50 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

Aaron,

Thanks for posting your detailed rant. I, too, am enormously frustrated that 
browsing has become so time--consuming and sometimes unreliable. I'm constantly 
switching among three browsers and two versions of JAWS because different 
combinations work best with different websites, and even then some websites 
remain hard, if not impossible, to navigate. The other day, a certain website 
owner had taken steps to make everything accessible, only for me to install 
Firefox 60 and generate a host of new issues. No wonder some website designers 
get frustrated with accessibility obligations.

Developments on the Web seem to be moving faster than screenreader companies 
can keep up with. But I wonder why non-screenreader users aren't also 
encountering limitations with different browsers, since each seems to function 
differently.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
Valiant8086
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 3:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

Hi.


I switched to Firefox  60, found it still a bit lacking in performance, and 
switched back to Chrome. A site that makes it painfully clear which one is 
winning is amazon.com. Just doing a search for something and noticing how long 
pages need to appear and be readable, and how responsive navigation keys arrows 
and quick nav etc are. Firefox is almost back to what it was in 52, but not 
totally. I was under the impression it would run better than chrome but that 
hasn't been so for me.


Edge is reasonably quick loading pages and allowing me to begin arrowing on 
them, but the way it announces going in and out of regions and such is very 
verbose and I find it slows me down too much. I'm really a little annoyed at 
just how much it seems to be asking to have a really good browsing experience 
this day and age. Chrome doesn't have it all either, it can easily get messed 
up and start using all of your ram. I'm not having that problem myself luckily, 
but I have multiple friends that are, each of them on multiple computers too.


In any case, I'm not trying to convert you folks to Chrome or anything like 
that, guess I wanted to rant a little.



Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy 
Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - 
http://valiantGalaxy.com";



On 5/11/2018 4:17 PM, Cristóbal wrote:
> I wrote VFO with issues I was having with Jaws and Firefox 60 and Jaws
> losing speech for a second or two when arrowing around a webpage.
> Almost as if it was catching up with the keystrokes. Jaws wasn't slow
> or sluggish per say as when it was moving around, it felt responsive,
> but the speech silencing thing was getting annoying. That along with
> an existing issue I've been having with Jaws just randomly losing
> focus on any site and me having to maximize the window or tab or shift
> plus tab to get focus back all the time made the user experience a 
> frustrating one.
> The response I got back was:
> Thank you for contacting VFO ® Technical Support.  I have tried
> Firefox 60 with the most recent version of JAWS® 2018 and have not
> really found the issues you mention.  At times, I have found that
> sometimes, when a Web site is still loading, it might get sluggish,
> but if you give it a minute or 2, you can navigate just fine.  I just
> spent about 5-10 minutes navigating a very resource-intensive Web site
> and was actually very impressed with performance.  Therefore, I am not
> sure this is a general issue but one that might be specific to your 
> machine.
>
> So, aside from me not waiting around a minute or two for every single
> webpage to load when I didn't have to before, looks like I'm going to
> have to 

Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

[Tom Fairhurst]

I'm chiming in late here, but how do Chrome users solve captchas? I've heard 
of Captcha Be Gone.


-Original Message- 
From: gary-melconian

Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 6:15 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

Have not used firefox ever since the massive changes that firefox did with 
57 and beyond.  I just  use chrome more then I used firefox versions.   As 
with chrome, there are all kinds of accessibility extensions and other 
extension that  makes my browsing a  pleasure on chrome where as on firefox 
its like going through sites  on a horse and buggy where as on chrome its 
like going through sites with a fast sports car.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Adrian Spratt

Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 3:50 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

Aaron,

Thanks for posting your detailed rant. I, too, am enormously frustrated that 
browsing has become so time--consuming and sometimes unreliable. I'm 
constantly switching among three browsers and two versions of JAWS because 
different combinations work best with different websites, and even then some 
websites remain hard, if not impossible, to navigate. The other day, a 
certain website owner had taken steps to make everything accessible, only 
for me to install Firefox 60 and generate a host of new issues. No wonder 
some website designers get frustrated with accessibility obligations.


Developments on the Web seem to be moving faster than screenreader companies 
can keep up with. But I wonder why non-screenreader users aren't also 
encountering limitations with different browsers, since each seems to 
function differently.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of 
Valiant8086

Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 3:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

Hi.


I switched to Firefox  60, found it still a bit lacking in performance, and 
switched back to Chrome. A site that makes it painfully clear which one is 
winning is amazon.com. Just doing a search for something and noticing how 
long pages need to appear and be readable, and how responsive navigation 
keys arrows and quick nav etc are. Firefox is almost back to what it was in 
52, but not totally. I was under the impression it would run better than 
chrome but that hasn't been so for me.



Edge is reasonably quick loading pages and allowing me to begin arrowing on 
them, but the way it announces going in and out of regions and such is very 
verbose and I find it slows me down too much. I'm really a little annoyed at 
just how much it seems to be asking to have a really good browsing 
experience this day and age. Chrome doesn't have it all either, it can 
easily get messed up and start using all of your ram. I'm not having that 
problem myself luckily, but I have multiple friends that are, each of them 
on multiple computers too.



In any case, I'm not trying to convert you folks to Chrome or anything like 
that, guess I wanted to rant a little.




Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy 
Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - 
http://valiantGalaxy.com";




On 5/11/2018 4:17 PM, Cristóbal wrote:

I wrote VFO with issues I was having with Jaws and Firefox 60 and Jaws
losing speech for a second or two when arrowing around a webpage.
Almost as if it was catching up with the keystrokes. Jaws wasn't slow
or sluggish per say as when it was moving around, it felt responsive,
but the speech silencing thing was getting annoying. That along with
an existing issue I've been having with Jaws just randomly losing
focus on any site and me having to maximize the window or tab or shift
plus tab to get focus back all the time made the user experience a 
frustrating one.

The response I got back was:
Thank you for contacting VFO ® Technical Support.  I have tried
Firefox 60 with the most recent version of JAWS® 2018 and have not
really found the issues you mention.  At times, I have found that
sometimes, when a Web site is still loading, it might get sluggish,
but if you give it a minute or 2, you can navigate just fine.  I just
spent about 5-10 minutes navigating a very resource-intensive Web site
and was actually very impressed with performance.  Therefore, I am not
sure this is a general issue but one that might be specific to your 
machine.


So, aside from me not waiting around a minute or two for every single
webpage to load when I didn't have to before, looks like I'm going to
have to call tech support so I can demonstrate for them these odd
speech pauses and whatnot. Don't know if I'll be able to do so anytime
soon as I work during the day, but anyway. I've gone back to V 52.X in the 
meantime.

Regarding the alerts, I was able to disable those with an about:config
tweek a while back. I'll have to dig around for it again.

-Orig

[JAWS-Users] Transferring Email Messages Between Programs

[jerry martin]

Evening all.


Can anyone tell me how to transfer email messages from Windows Live Mail 
to Thunderbird, using JAWS 2018 and Windows 10 on a Dell laptop? Thanks 
in advance.



--
Jerry


For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

Re: [JAWS-Users] envelopes and labels

[Miriam Vieni]

That works. Thanks.

Miriam

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
David Whitehead
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 5:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] envelopes and labels

hello;
don't have my office available,
however, I believe the keystroke is,
alt+m/e


       Statistics are like a bikini.  What they reveal is suggestive, but
what they conceal is vital.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
Miriam Vieni
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 1:40 PM
To: jaws users list 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] envelopes and labels

Could someone please explain? I think that when I had Jaws 18 with office
365, all I had to do was press alt 1 to get to envelopes and labels. Given
that someone set it up for me and that my memory is now terrible, I'm not
sure. But that's what I think I remember. Alt 1 and then I think I had to
press e twice.  How do I address an envelope with Jaws 2018 and Office 365,
please?

Miriam


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http://www.jaws-users.com/help/


For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

[gary-melconian]

Have not used firefox ever since the massive changes that firefox did with 57 
and beyond.  I just  use chrome more then I used firefox versions.   As  with 
chrome, there are all kinds of accessibility extensions and other extension 
that  makes my browsing a  pleasure on chrome where as on firefox its like 
going through sites  on a horse and buggy where as on chrome its like going 
through sites with a fast sports car.  

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 3:50 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

Aaron,

Thanks for posting your detailed rant. I, too, am enormously frustrated that 
browsing has become so time--consuming and sometimes unreliable. I'm constantly 
switching among three browsers and two versions of JAWS because different 
combinations work best with different websites, and even then some websites 
remain hard, if not impossible, to navigate. The other day, a certain website 
owner had taken steps to make everything accessible, only for me to install 
Firefox 60 and generate a host of new issues. No wonder some website designers 
get frustrated with accessibility obligations. 

Developments on the Web seem to be moving faster than screenreader companies 
can keep up with. But I wonder why non-screenreader users aren't also 
encountering limitations with different browsers, since each seems to function 
differently. 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of 
Valiant8086
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 3:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

Hi.


I switched to Firefox  60, found it still a bit lacking in performance, and 
switched back to Chrome. A site that makes it painfully clear which one is 
winning is amazon.com. Just doing a search for something and noticing how long 
pages need to appear and be readable, and how responsive navigation keys arrows 
and quick nav etc are. Firefox is almost back to what it was in 52, but not 
totally. I was under the impression it would run better than chrome but that 
hasn't been so for me.


Edge is reasonably quick loading pages and allowing me to begin arrowing on 
them, but the way it announces going in and out of regions and such is very 
verbose and I find it slows me down too much. I'm really a little annoyed at 
just how much it seems to be asking to have a really good browsing experience 
this day and age. Chrome doesn't have it all either, it can easily get messed 
up and start using all of your ram. I'm not having that problem myself luckily, 
but I have multiple friends that are, each of them on multiple computers too.


In any case, I'm not trying to convert you folks to Chrome or anything like 
that, guess I wanted to rant a little.



Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates 
"We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - 
http://valiantGalaxy.com";



On 5/11/2018 4:17 PM, Cristóbal wrote:
> I wrote VFO with issues I was having with Jaws and Firefox 60 and Jaws 
> losing speech for a second or two when arrowing around a webpage. 
> Almost as if it was catching up with the keystrokes. Jaws wasn't slow 
> or sluggish per say as when it was moving around, it felt responsive, 
> but the speech silencing thing was getting annoying. That along with 
> an existing issue I've been having with Jaws just randomly losing 
> focus on any site and me having to maximize the window or tab or shift 
> plus tab to get focus back all the time made the user experience a 
> frustrating one.
> The response I got back was:
> Thank you for contacting VFO ® Technical Support.  I have tried 
> Firefox 60 with the most recent version of JAWS® 2018 and have not 
> really found the issues you mention.  At times, I have found that 
> sometimes, when a Web site is still loading, it might get sluggish, 
> but if you give it a minute or 2, you can navigate just fine.  I just 
> spent about 5-10 minutes navigating a very resource-intensive Web site 
> and was actually very impressed with performance.  Therefore, I am not 
> sure this is a general issue but one that might be specific to your machine.
>
> So, aside from me not waiting around a minute or two for every single 
> webpage to load when I didn't have to before, looks like I'm going to 
> have to call tech support so I can demonstrate for them these odd 
> speech pauses and whatnot. Don't know if I'll be able to do so anytime 
> soon as I work during the day, but anyway. I've gone back to V 52.X in the 
> meantime.
> Regarding the alerts, I was able to disable those with an about:config 
> tweek a while back. I'll have to dig around for it again.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] 
> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 12:54 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.co

Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

[Adrian Spratt]

Aaron,

Thanks for posting your detailed rant. I, too, am enormously frustrated that 
browsing has become so time--consuming and sometimes unreliable. I'm constantly 
switching among three browsers and two versions of JAWS because different 
combinations work best with different websites, and even then some websites 
remain hard, if not impossible, to navigate. The other day, a certain website 
owner had taken steps to make everything accessible, only for me to install 
Firefox 60 and generate a host of new issues. No wonder some website designers 
get frustrated with accessibility obligations. 

Developments on the Web seem to be moving faster than screenreader companies 
can keep up with. But I wonder why non-screenreader users aren't also 
encountering limitations with different browsers, since each seems to function 
differently. 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of 
Valiant8086
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 3:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

Hi.


I switched to Firefox  60, found it still a bit lacking in performance, and 
switched back to Chrome. A site that makes it painfully clear which one is 
winning is amazon.com. Just doing a search for something and noticing how long 
pages need to appear and be readable, and how responsive navigation keys arrows 
and quick nav etc are. Firefox is almost back to what it was in 52, but not 
totally. I was under the impression it would run better than chrome but that 
hasn't been so for me.


Edge is reasonably quick loading pages and allowing me to begin arrowing on 
them, but the way it announces going in and out of regions and such is very 
verbose and I find it slows me down too much. I'm really a little annoyed at 
just how much it seems to be asking to have a really good browsing experience 
this day and age. Chrome doesn't have it all either, it can easily get messed 
up and start using all of your ram. I'm not having that problem myself luckily, 
but I have multiple friends that are, each of them on multiple computers too.


In any case, I'm not trying to convert you folks to Chrome or anything like 
that, guess I wanted to rant a little.



Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates 
"We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - 
http://valiantGalaxy.com";



On 5/11/2018 4:17 PM, Cristóbal wrote:
> I wrote VFO with issues I was having with Jaws and Firefox 60 and Jaws
> losing speech for a second or two when arrowing around a webpage. Almost as
> if it was catching up with the keystrokes. Jaws wasn't slow or sluggish per
> say as when it was moving around, it felt responsive, but the speech
> silencing thing was getting annoying. That along with an existing issue I've
> been having with Jaws just randomly losing focus on any site and me having
> to maximize the window or tab or shift plus tab to get focus back all the
> time made the user experience a frustrating one.
> The response I got back was:
> Thank you for contacting VFO ® Technical Support.  I have tried Firefox 60
> with the most recent version of JAWS® 2018 and have not really found the
> issues you mention.  At times, I have found that sometimes, when a Web site
> is still loading, it might get sluggish, but if you give it a minute or 2,
> you can navigate just fine.  I just spent about 5-10 minutes navigating a
> very resource-intensive Web site and was actually very impressed with
> performance.  Therefore, I am not sure this is a general issue but one that
> might be specific to your machine.
>
> So, aside from me not waiting around a minute or two for every single
> webpage to load when I didn't have to before, looks like I'm going to have
> to call tech support so I can demonstrate for them these odd speech pauses
> and whatnot. Don't know if I'll be able to do so anytime soon as I work
> during the day, but anyway. I've gone back to V 52.X in the meantime.
> Regarding the alerts, I was able to disable those with an about:config tweek
> a while back. I'll have to dig around for it again.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
> Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 12:54 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60
>
> I'm experiencing several problems with Firefox 60. Here's a copy of the
> email I just sent VFO explaining what they are. I did mention in the message
> that I recently upgraded from Firefox 52ESR to 60.
>
>
>1.  When I try to log in to a website, Firefox's message offering to save
> the log-in information is spoken, and then spoken several more times. I
> caught that to decline, I should press alt-d. when I did so, Firefox hung up
> and eventually gave me the options to wait or close. After what was already
> a long wait, I closed it.
>
> I've encountered this message several times since. Pressing alt-d led to the
> same result, as di

Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

[gary-melconian]

Totally agree with you on this one. Firefox 60 still is not as fast as chrome . 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Valiant8086
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 12:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

Hi.


I switched to Firefox  60, found it still a bit lacking in performance, and 
switched back to Chrome. A site that makes it painfully clear which one is 
winning is amazon.com. Just doing a search for something and noticing how long 
pages need to appear and be readable, and how responsive navigation keys arrows 
and quick nav etc are. Firefox is almost back to what it was in 52, but not 
totally. I was under the impression it would run better than chrome but that 
hasn't been so for me.


Edge is reasonably quick loading pages and allowing me to begin arrowing on 
them, but the way it announces going in and out of regions and such is very 
verbose and I find it slows me down too much. I'm really a little annoyed at 
just how much it seems to be asking to have a really good browsing experience 
this day and age. Chrome doesn't have it all either, it can easily get messed 
up and start using all of your ram. I'm not having that problem myself luckily, 
but I have multiple friends that are, each of them on multiple computers too.


In any case, I'm not trying to convert you folks to Chrome or anything like 
that, guess I wanted to rant a little.



Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates 
"We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - 
http://valiantGalaxy.com";



On 5/11/2018 4:17 PM, Cristóbal wrote:
> I wrote VFO with issues I was having with Jaws and Firefox 60 and Jaws
> losing speech for a second or two when arrowing around a webpage. Almost as
> if it was catching up with the keystrokes. Jaws wasn't slow or sluggish per
> say as when it was moving around, it felt responsive, but the speech
> silencing thing was getting annoying. That along with an existing issue I've
> been having with Jaws just randomly losing focus on any site and me having
> to maximize the window or tab or shift plus tab to get focus back all the
> time made the user experience a frustrating one.
> The response I got back was:
> Thank you for contacting VFO ® Technical Support.  I have tried Firefox 60
> with the most recent version of JAWS® 2018 and have not really found the
> issues you mention.  At times, I have found that sometimes, when a Web site
> is still loading, it might get sluggish, but if you give it a minute or 2,
> you can navigate just fine.  I just spent about 5-10 minutes navigating a
> very resource-intensive Web site and was actually very impressed with
> performance.  Therefore, I am not sure this is a general issue but one that
> might be specific to your machine.
>
> So, aside from me not waiting around a minute or two for every single
> webpage to load when I didn't have to before, looks like I'm going to have
> to call tech support so I can demonstrate for them these odd speech pauses
> and whatnot. Don't know if I'll be able to do so anytime soon as I work
> during the day, but anyway. I've gone back to V 52.X in the meantime.
> Regarding the alerts, I was able to disable those with an about:config tweek
> a while back. I'll have to dig around for it again.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
> Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 12:54 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60
>
> I'm experiencing several problems with Firefox 60. Here's a copy of the
> email I just sent VFO explaining what they are. I did mention in the message
> that I recently upgraded from Firefox 52ESR to 60.
>
>
>1.  When I try to log in to a website, Firefox's message offering to save
> the log-in information is spoken, and then spoken several more times. I
> caught that to decline, I should press alt-d. when I did so, Firefox hung up
> and eventually gave me the options to wait or close. After what was already
> a long wait, I closed it.
>
> I've encountered this message several times since. Pressing alt-d led to the
> same result, as did my try with alt-n (which often brings up other options).
> The only way to get past this message is to wait for it to go away.
>
>
>1.  On the donations page of the website
> www.wnyc.org, the combo boxes for state and country
> don't give any information, e.g., state abbreviations. These combo boxes do
> work with IE11. A similar problem came up on another website with Firefox
> 60, but I can't be sure I've diagnosed the problem yet.
>
>
>1.  Placemarkers are behaving erratically. None carried over from Firefox
> 52ESR, so I've had to start over again putting them in place. One repeating
> problem is that even though I uncheck the box that would apply the
> placemarker througho

Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

[gary-melconian]

Totally agree with you.i wanted to see if jaws had improved with firefox 60.in 
most cases and in complex pages tha ti browse chrome is the winner compared ot 
firefox.also I can install multiple extension in chrome wher as I am limited in 
what I can install in firefox 60.so for my needs chrome as faras accessibility 
is far ahead of firefox 60.  

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Fernando Gregoire
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 3:07 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

I fully agree with you.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of 
Valiant8086
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 4:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

Hi.


I switched to Firefox  60, found it still a bit lacking in performance, and 
switched back to Chrome. A site that makes it painfully clear which one is 
winning is amazon.com. Just doing a search for something and noticing how long 
pages need to appear and be readable, and how responsive navigation keys arrows 
and quick nav etc are. Firefox is almost back to what it was in 52, but not 
totally. I was under the impression it would run better than chrome but that 
hasn't been so for me.


Edge is reasonably quick loading pages and allowing me to begin arrowing on 
them, but the way it announces going in and out of regions and such is very 
verbose and I find it slows me down too much. I'm really a little annoyed at 
just how much it seems to be asking to have a really good browsing experience 
this day and age. Chrome doesn't have it all either, it can easily get messed 
up and start using all of your ram. I'm not having that problem myself luckily, 
but I have multiple friends that are, each of them on multiple computers too.


In any case, I'm not trying to convert you folks to Chrome or anything like 
that, guess I wanted to rant a little.



Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates 
"We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - 
http://valiantGalaxy.com";



On 5/11/2018 4:17 PM, Cristóbal wrote:
> I wrote VFO with issues I was having with Jaws and Firefox 60 and Jaws 
> losing speech for a second or two when arrowing around a webpage. 
> Almost as if it was catching up with the keystrokes. Jaws wasn't slow 
> or sluggish per say as when it was moving around, it felt responsive, 
> but the speech silencing thing was getting annoying. That along with 
> an existing issue I've been having with Jaws just randomly losing 
> focus on any site and me having to maximize the window or tab or shift 
> plus tab to get focus back all the time made the user experience a 
> frustrating one.
> The response I got back was:
> Thank you for contacting VFO ® Technical Support.  I have tried 
> Firefox 60 with the most recent version of JAWS® 2018 and have not 
> really found the issues you mention.  At times, I have found that 
> sometimes, when a Web site is still loading, it might get sluggish, 
> but if you give it a minute or 2, you can navigate just fine.  I just 
> spent about 5-10 minutes navigating a very resource-intensive Web site 
> and was actually very impressed with performance.  Therefore, I am not 
> sure this is a general issue but one that might be specific to your machine.
>
> So, aside from me not waiting around a minute or two for every single 
> webpage to load when I didn't have to before, looks like I'm going to 
> have to call tech support so I can demonstrate for them these odd 
> speech pauses and whatnot. Don't know if I'll be able to do so anytime 
> soon as I work during the day, but anyway. I've gone back to V 52.X in the 
> meantime.
> Regarding the alerts, I was able to disable those with an about:config 
> tweek a while back. I'll have to dig around for it again.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] 
> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 12:54 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60
>
> I'm experiencing several problems with Firefox 60. Here's a copy of 
> the email I just sent VFO explaining what they are. I did mention in 
> the message that I recently upgraded from Firefox 52ESR to 60.
>
>
>1.  When I try to log in to a website, Firefox's message offering 
> to save the log-in information is spoken, and then spoken several more 
> times. I caught that to decline, I should press alt-d. when I did so, 
> Firefox hung up and eventually gave me the options to wait or close. 
> After what was already a long wait, I closed it.
>
> I've encountered this message several times since. Pressing alt-d led 
> to the same result, as did my try with alt-n (which often brings up other 
> options).
> The only way to get past this message is to wait for it to go away.
>
>
>1.  On the donations page of the website 
> www.wnyc.org

Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

[Fernando Gregoire]

I fully agree with you.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of 
Valiant8086
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 4:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

Hi.


I switched to Firefox  60, found it still a bit lacking in performance, and 
switched back to Chrome. A site that makes it painfully clear which one is 
winning is amazon.com. Just doing a search for something and noticing how long 
pages need to appear and be readable, and how responsive navigation keys arrows 
and quick nav etc are. Firefox is almost back to what it was in 52, but not 
totally. I was under the impression it would run better than chrome but that 
hasn't been so for me.


Edge is reasonably quick loading pages and allowing me to begin arrowing on 
them, but the way it announces going in and out of regions and such is very 
verbose and I find it slows me down too much. I'm really a little annoyed at 
just how much it seems to be asking to have a really good browsing experience 
this day and age. Chrome doesn't have it all either, it can easily get messed 
up and start using all of your ram. I'm not having that problem myself luckily, 
but I have multiple friends that are, each of them on multiple computers too.


In any case, I'm not trying to convert you folks to Chrome or anything like 
that, guess I wanted to rant a little.



Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates 
"We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - 
http://valiantGalaxy.com";



On 5/11/2018 4:17 PM, Cristóbal wrote:
> I wrote VFO with issues I was having with Jaws and Firefox 60 and Jaws
> losing speech for a second or two when arrowing around a webpage. Almost as
> if it was catching up with the keystrokes. Jaws wasn't slow or sluggish per
> say as when it was moving around, it felt responsive, but the speech
> silencing thing was getting annoying. That along with an existing issue I've
> been having with Jaws just randomly losing focus on any site and me having
> to maximize the window or tab or shift plus tab to get focus back all the
> time made the user experience a frustrating one.
> The response I got back was:
> Thank you for contacting VFO ® Technical Support.  I have tried Firefox 60
> with the most recent version of JAWS® 2018 and have not really found the
> issues you mention.  At times, I have found that sometimes, when a Web site
> is still loading, it might get sluggish, but if you give it a minute or 2,
> you can navigate just fine.  I just spent about 5-10 minutes navigating a
> very resource-intensive Web site and was actually very impressed with
> performance.  Therefore, I am not sure this is a general issue but one that
> might be specific to your machine.
>
> So, aside from me not waiting around a minute or two for every single
> webpage to load when I didn't have to before, looks like I'm going to have
> to call tech support so I can demonstrate for them these odd speech pauses
> and whatnot. Don't know if I'll be able to do so anytime soon as I work
> during the day, but anyway. I've gone back to V 52.X in the meantime.
> Regarding the alerts, I was able to disable those with an about:config tweek
> a while back. I'll have to dig around for it again.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
> Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 12:54 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60
>
> I'm experiencing several problems with Firefox 60. Here's a copy of the
> email I just sent VFO explaining what they are. I did mention in the message
> that I recently upgraded from Firefox 52ESR to 60.
>
>
>1.  When I try to log in to a website, Firefox's message offering to save
> the log-in information is spoken, and then spoken several more times. I
> caught that to decline, I should press alt-d. when I did so, Firefox hung up
> and eventually gave me the options to wait or close. After what was already
> a long wait, I closed it.
>
> I've encountered this message several times since. Pressing alt-d led to the
> same result, as did my try with alt-n (which often brings up other options).
> The only way to get past this message is to wait for it to go away.
>
>
>1.  On the donations page of the website
> www.wnyc.org, the combo boxes for state and country
> don't give any information, e.g., state abbreviations. These combo boxes do
> work with IE11. A similar problem came up on another website with Firefox
> 60, but I can't be sure I've diagnosed the problem yet.
>
>
>1.  Placemarkers are behaving erratically. None carried over from Firefox
> 52ESR, so I've had to start over again putting them in place. One repeating
> problem is that even though I uncheck the box that would apply the
> placemarker throughout a website, the placemarkers all apply on every page.
> This means I've accumulated twelve placemarkers

Re: [JAWS-Users] envelopes and labels

[David Whitehead]

hello;
another thing you could do is,
add the envelope to the QAT, "Quick Access Toolbar"

       Statistics are like a bikini.  What they reveal is suggestive, but
what they conceal is vital.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
JOHN RIEHL
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 5:23 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] envelopes and labels

That is correct. When you are in a document, press alt-M then e. 


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of David Whitehead
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 5:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] envelopes and labels

hello;
don't have my office available,
however, I believe the keystroke is,
alt+m/e


       Statistics are like a bikini.  What they reveal is suggestive, but
what they conceal is vital.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
Miriam Vieni
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 1:40 PM
To: jaws users list 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] envelopes and labels

Could someone please explain? I think that when I had Jaws 18 with office
365, all I had to do was press alt 1 to get to envelopes and labels. Given
that someone set it up for me and that my memory is now terrible, I'm not
sure. But that's what I think I remember. Alt 1 and then I think I had to
press e twice.  How do I address an envelope with Jaws 2018 and Office 365,
please?

Miriam


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Re: [JAWS-Users] envelopes and labels

[JOHN RIEHL]

That is correct. When you are in a document, press alt-M then e. 


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of David Whitehead
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 5:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] envelopes and labels

hello;
don't have my office available,
however, I believe the keystroke is,
alt+m/e


       Statistics are like a bikini.  What they reveal is suggestive, but
what they conceal is vital.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
Miriam Vieni
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 1:40 PM
To: jaws users list 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] envelopes and labels

Could someone please explain? I think that when I had Jaws 18 with office
365, all I had to do was press alt 1 to get to envelopes and labels. Given
that someone set it up for me and that my memory is now terrible, I'm not
sure. But that's what I think I remember. Alt 1 and then I think I had to
press e twice.  How do I address an envelope with Jaws 2018 and Office 365,
please?

Miriam


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http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

Re: [JAWS-Users] envelopes and labels

[David Whitehead]

hello;
don't have my office available,
however, I believe the keystroke is,
alt+m/e


       Statistics are like a bikini.  What they reveal is suggestive, but
what they conceal is vital.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
Miriam Vieni
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 1:40 PM
To: jaws users list 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] envelopes and labels

Could someone please explain? I think that when I had Jaws 18 with office
365, all I had to do was press alt 1 to get to envelopes and labels. Given
that someone set it up for me and that my memory is now terrible, I'm not
sure. But that's what I think I remember. Alt 1 and then I think I had to
press e twice.  How do I address an envelope with Jaws 2018 and Office 365,
please?

Miriam


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http://www.jaws-users.com/help/


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http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

[Valiant8086]

Hi.


I switched to Firefox  60, found it still a bit lacking in performance, 
and switched back to Chrome. A site that makes it painfully clear which 
one is winning is amazon.com. Just doing a search for something and 
noticing how long pages need to appear and be readable, and how 
responsive navigation keys arrows and quick nav etc are. Firefox is 
almost back to what it was in 52, but not totally. I was under the 
impression it would run better than chrome but that hasn't been so for me.



Edge is reasonably quick loading pages and allowing me to begin arrowing 
on them, but the way it announces going in and out of regions and such 
is very verbose and I find it slows me down too much. I'm really a 
little annoyed at just how much it seems to be asking to have a really 
good browsing experience this day and age. Chrome doesn't have it all 
either, it can easily get messed up and start using all of your ram. I'm 
not having that problem myself luckily, but I have multiple friends that 
are, each of them on multiple computers too.



In any case, I'm not trying to convert you folks to Chrome or anything 
like that, guess I wanted to rant a little.




Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates "We 
make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - http://valiantGalaxy.com";



On 5/11/2018 4:17 PM, Cristóbal wrote:

I wrote VFO with issues I was having with Jaws and Firefox 60 and Jaws
losing speech for a second or two when arrowing around a webpage. Almost as
if it was catching up with the keystrokes. Jaws wasn't slow or sluggish per
say as when it was moving around, it felt responsive, but the speech
silencing thing was getting annoying. That along with an existing issue I've
been having with Jaws just randomly losing focus on any site and me having
to maximize the window or tab or shift plus tab to get focus back all the
time made the user experience a frustrating one.
The response I got back was:
Thank you for contacting VFO ® Technical Support.  I have tried Firefox 60
with the most recent version of JAWS® 2018 and have not really found the
issues you mention.  At times, I have found that sometimes, when a Web site
is still loading, it might get sluggish, but if you give it a minute or 2,
you can navigate just fine.  I just spent about 5-10 minutes navigating a
very resource-intensive Web site and was actually very impressed with
performance.  Therefore, I am not sure this is a general issue but one that
might be specific to your machine.

So, aside from me not waiting around a minute or two for every single
webpage to load when I didn't have to before, looks like I'm going to have
to call tech support so I can demonstrate for them these odd speech pauses
and whatnot. Don't know if I'll be able to do so anytime soon as I work
during the day, but anyway. I've gone back to V 52.X in the meantime.
Regarding the alerts, I was able to disable those with an about:config tweek
a while back. I'll have to dig around for it again.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 12:54 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

I'm experiencing several problems with Firefox 60. Here's a copy of the
email I just sent VFO explaining what they are. I did mention in the message
that I recently upgraded from Firefox 52ESR to 60.


   1.  When I try to log in to a website, Firefox's message offering to save
the log-in information is spoken, and then spoken several more times. I
caught that to decline, I should press alt-d. when I did so, Firefox hung up
and eventually gave me the options to wait or close. After what was already
a long wait, I closed it.

I've encountered this message several times since. Pressing alt-d led to the
same result, as did my try with alt-n (which often brings up other options).
The only way to get past this message is to wait for it to go away.


   1.  On the donations page of the website
www.wnyc.org, the combo boxes for state and country
don't give any information, e.g., state abbreviations. These combo boxes do
work with IE11. A similar problem came up on another website with Firefox
60, but I can't be sure I've diagnosed the problem yet.


   1.  Placemarkers are behaving erratically. None carried over from Firefox
52ESR, so I've had to start over again putting them in place. One repeating
problem is that even though I uncheck the box that would apply the
placemarker throughout a website, the placemarkers all apply on every page.
This means I've accumulated twelve placemarkers on every page of one website
I regularly visit, even though I want at most three per page.


   1.  I'm also finding that some placemarkers just don't work when I press
the k key. Even though the placemarker list shows one for that location, k
doesn't locate it.

I'm working with JAWS 2018.1804.26.400,, and my OS 

Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

[JM Casey]

Not for Firefox Quantum, as far as I understand. I don't use so I haven't
looked into it really, but it was being discussed elsewhere. Maybe someone
else on-list can suggest an alternative if you want to use navigational
sounds.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long
Sent: May 13, 2018 9:54 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

Is there a addon for firefox 60 that does what navigational sounds  does?
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of james_hoo...@earthlink.net
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2018 4:51 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

Yes could I get a copy?

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
gary-melconian
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 4:59 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

I have a 64 bit 52.8 ESR if someone needs it. Since my systems have more
then 4GB on them.  

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 3:33 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

I still had a 52.X ESR installer on my system. SO I just uninstalled V60,
ran the 52.X installer and updated to the most current one capable with the
older version and am now am on Firefox Version 52.8.0. The same one I was on
before trying the Quantum or whatever it's called.
The other issue I was having with Firefox 60 and Jaws on The Old Reader: 
This is what I sent VFO:
I am noticing with the latest Firefox 60 (ESR and standard version) when
browsing down my list of RSS posts. Be it in a particular feed’s entries, a
folder created by me or even in the all posts view, when I click enter or
press the spacebar to expand that particular entry to show the summary (this
is in list view. Not full view) and then later wish to do the same for
another RSS entry, Jaws doesn’t appear to be able to accomplish this second
task.
I’ve tried using the Jaws cursor, maximizing the window and then pressing
enter or spacebar, tabbing to be sure Jaws focus isn’t somewhere else, but
nothing seems to work. It’s basically pick one RSS entry and that’s it. The
only thing I can do to be able to select another RSS entry to view is do an
entire page refresh. Which isn’t a solution as once the refresh occurs, all
previously unread posts are marked as read.
In my case, The Older Reader is marked as my home page and I refer to it all
the time. So this one bug is proving to be quite disruptive. I don’t know if
it has something to do with a virtual buffer focus or some other element,
but I am not able to figure it out on my end. To be clear, this particular
behavior is not present in prior versions of Firefox. I have been using the
V 52.x ESR version before upgrading to v60 without this issue present.
So anyway, in the same email response I pasted below, I got this note from
the same tech:
Also, I did see your other e-mail in which you mentioned a specific Web
site.  I did look at that Web site, but I found that it requires signing up
for an account to see the issues.  If you could provide us with a site with
these issues that does not require signing up for an account, that would be
very helpful.

Ok... but as I specifically mentioned this website, it kind of defeats the
purpose...
Again, probably one of those things I'd have to call in to better
demonstrate the exact problem, but I'm busy throughout the day and always on
the phone, doubt I'd be able to do it any time soon.
This is why I figured in part to just go back to V 52 and maybe wait for
another Jaws or Firefox release with hopefully some more improvements. I've
waited a few months, what's a couple of more weeks...
As long as you don't mess with your profile on your system, then
uninstalling and reinstalling any version of Firefox shouldn't be a big
deal. That said, standard caveats of backing up and all that apply. Also, I
do have a Firefox account for easier browser syncing between multiple PCs
and my iPhone so there's that too.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 1:59 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

How did you revert to 52ESR? By uninstalling 60 and reinstalling 52ESR? I'm
hoping it was something else. I'd love to get 52ESR back with my settings
intact. meanwhile, I urge everyone else having problems with Firefox 60 to
contact VFO because otherwise they'll stall, the way they still stall on
making crucial 2018 fixes. But be sure you're using the current release of
2018 when you report Firefox 60 problems. Apparently, this release is
required for compatibility.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
Cristóbal

[JAWS-Users] envelopes and labels

[Miriam Vieni]

Could someone please explain? I think that when I had Jaws 18 with office
365, all I had to do was press alt 1 to get to envelopes and labels. Given
that someone set it up for me and that my memory is now terrible, I'm not
sure. But that's what I think I remember. Alt 1 and then I think I had to
press e twice.  How do I address an envelope with Jaws 2018 and Office 365,
please?

Miriam


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Re: [JAWS-Users] tutorials

[arvind singh brar]

Hello friends,
I am in need for the following tutorials asap,
In audio if possible;
I need the following tutorials;
1 installation of windows 7, 8 and windows 8.1 using TWPE

And 
2installation of windows 10 using windows narraator.

Any help would be greatly appreciated,
I really need these tutorials to prepare for my final year technical exams,
Once again,
Thank you so much 
Arvind  

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Re: [JAWS-Users] re firefox 52.8 ESR 64 bit dropbox link

[Teresa Arroyo Llosa]

Hello David and all,

Thank you for the FireFox link. Does FireFox 60 ESR support Webvisum, or the 
other free caption reader that came out sometime ago?


I mainly use Firefox in order to be able to solve captchas.

Best regards,

Teresa Arroyo Llosa

-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin

Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2018 5:49 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] re firefox 52.8 ESR 64 bit dropbox link

Check out the following link folks:

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/


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From: gary-melconian

Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2018 5:21 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] re firefox 52.8 ESR 64 bit dropbox link

Hello for anyone who needs firefox 52.8 ESR 64 bit ,dropbox link below.





https://www.dropbox.com/s/7rob2log9gbm9r5/Firefox%20Setup%2052.8.0esr.exe?dl
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

[Dennis Long]

Is there a addon for firefox 60 that does what navigational sounds  does?
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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of james_hoo...@earthlink.net
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2018 4:51 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

Yes could I get a copy?

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
gary-melconian
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 4:59 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

I have a 64 bit 52.8 ESR if someone needs it. Since my systems have more
then 4GB on them.  

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 3:33 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

I still had a 52.X ESR installer on my system. SO I just uninstalled V60,
ran the 52.X installer and updated to the most current one capable with the
older version and am now am on Firefox Version 52.8.0. The same one I was on
before trying the Quantum or whatever it's called.
The other issue I was having with Firefox 60 and Jaws on The Old Reader: 
This is what I sent VFO:
I am noticing with the latest Firefox 60 (ESR and standard version) when
browsing down my list of RSS posts. Be it in a particular feed’s entries, a
folder created by me or even in the all posts view, when I click enter or
press the spacebar to expand that particular entry to show the summary (this
is in list view. Not full view) and then later wish to do the same for
another RSS entry, Jaws doesn’t appear to be able to accomplish this second
task.
I’ve tried using the Jaws cursor, maximizing the window and then pressing
enter or spacebar, tabbing to be sure Jaws focus isn’t somewhere else, but
nothing seems to work. It’s basically pick one RSS entry and that’s it. The
only thing I can do to be able to select another RSS entry to view is do an
entire page refresh. Which isn’t a solution as once the refresh occurs, all
previously unread posts are marked as read.
In my case, The Older Reader is marked as my home page and I refer to it all
the time. So this one bug is proving to be quite disruptive. I don’t know if
it has something to do with a virtual buffer focus or some other element,
but I am not able to figure it out on my end. To be clear, this particular
behavior is not present in prior versions of Firefox. I have been using the
V 52.x ESR version before upgrading to v60 without this issue present.
So anyway, in the same email response I pasted below, I got this note from
the same tech:
Also, I did see your other e-mail in which you mentioned a specific Web
site.  I did look at that Web site, but I found that it requires signing up
for an account to see the issues.  If you could provide us with a site with
these issues that does not require signing up for an account, that would be
very helpful.

Ok... but as I specifically mentioned this website, it kind of defeats the
purpose...
Again, probably one of those things I'd have to call in to better
demonstrate the exact problem, but I'm busy throughout the day and always on
the phone, doubt I'd be able to do it any time soon.
This is why I figured in part to just go back to V 52 and maybe wait for
another Jaws or Firefox release with hopefully some more improvements. I've
waited a few months, what's a couple of more weeks...
As long as you don't mess with your profile on your system, then
uninstalling and reinstalling any version of Firefox shouldn't be a big
deal. That said, standard caveats of backing up and all that apply. Also, I
do have a Firefox account for easier browser syncing between multiple PCs
and my iPhone so there's that too.

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 1:59 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

How did you revert to 52ESR? By uninstalling 60 and reinstalling 52ESR? I'm
hoping it was something else. I'd love to get 52ESR back with my settings
intact. meanwhile, I urge everyone else having problems with Firefox 60 to
contact VFO because otherwise they'll stall, the way they still stall on
making crucial 2018 fixes. But be sure you're using the current release of
2018 when you report Firefox 60 problems. Apparently, this release is
required for compatibility.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 4:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox 60

I wrote VFO with issues I was having with Jaws and Firefox 60 and Jaws
losing speech for a second or two when arrowing around a webpage. Almost as
if it was catching up with the keystrokes. Jaws wasn't slow or sluggish per
say as when it was moving around, it felt responsive, but the speech
silencing thing was getting annoying. That along with 

Re: [JAWS-Users] jaws question.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Michael" 
To: "jaws help list" 
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 7:45 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] jaws question.


Hi guys i was wanting to know if i can stop jaws from saying metre when 
it should be saying minutes.

On ebay wen i am on the time left jaws said 14 metre instead of 14 minutes.

Cheers Michael.

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[JAWS-Users] jaws question.

[Michael]

Hi guys i was wanting to know if i can stop jaws from saying metre when 
it should be saying minutes.


On ebay wen i am on the time left jaws said 14 metre instead of 14 minutes.

Cheers Michael.

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