[JAWS-Users] ► Offer to fix bugs in Hungarian voices of Vocalizer

2013-09-17 Thread Csaba Godo

Hi Eric,

I'm Csaba Godo from Hungary. We know each other from the JAWS mailing 
list of David Ferrin. We have changed some mails during the past times. 
Now let me to introduce myself to you a little bit better.
I'm a very low vision programmer who uses JAWS as primary screen reader 
and who is involved in artifical speech synthesis. Since Freedom 
licenced Nuance's Vocalizer synthetizer family disturbed me that Eszter, 
the Hungarian voice, has so many mistakes and errors that makes really 
difficult to use it with JAWS for longer time. When Vocalizer was 
available for NVDA Our small team, consisting of blind college students 
and programmers, has contacted Tiflotehnia, the distributor of NVDA 
version of Vocalizer and Vocalizer Expressive, to work together to 
correct these mistakes. We have managed to correct them with Vocalizer 
Studio, so the updated version of both synthetizers for NVDA is already 
available.


Now we would like to offer you the same cooperation that we offered for 
Tiflotehnia to fix and update the JAWS versions of both synthetizers. We 
offer our cooperation to Freedom for free. The only thing we request you 
to have this cooperation directly, rather than go through your local 
reseller.


For Freedom, with this cooperation would it be possible to update and 
enchance both Eszter (Vocalizer) and Mariska (Vocalizer Expressive) 
voices without any cost and time. We know that your local reseller has 
indicated these errors many times to you as errors which makes difficult 
to use these voices with JAWS. With our cooperation Freedom could 
increase the level of satisfaction among the Hungarian JAWS users. I 
know that Hungary is a very small market for you, but I think the 
satisfaction of every JAWS users is important for Freedom. Or I'm wrong?


Now some words about the work we have done with Vocalizer Studio: We 
have rebuilt the whole dictionary and corrected many pronunciation 
errors and even extended the pronunciation and grammar rules. Currently 
we are working on extending phoneme database, namely to extend the 
phoneme-character bindings to make able these synthetisers to read 
characters which does not exist in Hungarian alphabet, but are common in 
our Hungarian cultural environment. I mean for example the special 
characters of the spoken languages of the surrounding countries.


(Comment: I know that it is possible to edit the  symbol (SBL) files of 
each synthetizers in JAWS, but in this way it is not possible to force 
JAWS to read correctly words contains characters, which have an entry in 
an SBL file.
If I make an entry for a special letter, ie. for ß (which character 
does not exists in Hungarian alphabet, but exists in Hungarian family 
names of German origin), then JAWS detects it as stand alone letter. So 
the name Weiß is read by JAWS as if it would be written as Wei ß. 
The program during the text processing enters an extra space before the 
given character. It is very disturbing and sometimes makes impossible to 
understand the text.)


As member of the management team of Freedom Scientific I would like to 
ask you to help us to connect to your team responsible for synthetizers 
to work together to make available the updated and corected versions of 
both synthetizer voices for JAWS users.


Best regards,

Csaba Godó

Cellular:   (+36 30) 921-9317
E-mail: arpadh...@hotmail.com
Skype:  godocsaba

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Re: [JAWS-Users] ► Offer to fix bugs in Hungarian voices of Vocalizer

2013-09-17 Thread David Ferrin
This needs to be discussed privately with Eric. I applaud the idea but this is 
not the place. 

David Ferrin
Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that 
mind don't matter.
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Subject: [JAWS-Users] ► Offer to fix bugs in Hungarian voices of Vocalizer

Hi Eric,

I'm Csaba Godo from Hungary. We know each other from the JAWS mailing list of 
David Ferrin. We have changed some mails during the past times. 
Now let me to introduce myself to you a little bit better.
I'm a very low vision programmer who uses JAWS as primary screen reader and who 
is involved in artifical speech synthesis. Since Freedom licenced Nuance's 
Vocalizer synthetizer family disturbed me that Eszter, the Hungarian voice, has 
so many mistakes and errors that makes really difficult to use it with JAWS for 
longer time. When Vocalizer was available for NVDA Our small team, consisting 
of blind college students and programmers, has contacted Tiflotehnia, the 
distributor of NVDA version of Vocalizer and Vocalizer Expressive, to work 
together to correct these mistakes. We have managed to correct them with 
Vocalizer Studio, so the updated version of both synthetizers for NVDA is 
already available.

Now we would like to offer you the same cooperation that we offered for 
Tiflotehnia to fix and update the JAWS versions of both synthetizers. We offer 
our cooperation to Freedom for free. The only thing we request you to have this 
cooperation directly, rather than go through your local reseller.

For Freedom, with this cooperation would it be possible to update and enchance 
both Eszter (Vocalizer) and Mariska (Vocalizer Expressive) voices without any 
cost and time. We know that your local reseller has indicated these errors many 
times to you as errors which makes difficult to use these voices with JAWS. 
With our cooperation Freedom could increase the level of satisfaction among the 
Hungarian JAWS users. I know that Hungary is a very small market for you, but I 
think the satisfaction of every JAWS users is important for Freedom. Or I'm 
wrong?

Now some words about the work we have done with Vocalizer Studio: We have 
rebuilt the whole dictionary and corrected many pronunciation errors and even 
extended the pronunciation and grammar rules. Currently we are working on 
extending phoneme database, namely to extend the phoneme-character bindings to 
make able these synthetisers to read characters which does not exist in 
Hungarian alphabet, but are common in our Hungarian cultural environment. I 
mean for example the special characters of the spoken languages of the 
surrounding countries.

(Comment: I know that it is possible to edit the  symbol (SBL) files of each 
synthetizers in JAWS, but in this way it is not possible to force JAWS to read 
correctly words contains characters, which have an entry in an SBL file.
If I make an entry for a special letter, ie. for ß (which character does not 
exists in Hungarian alphabet, but exists in Hungarian family names of German 
origin), then JAWS detects it as stand alone letter. So the name Weiß is read 
by JAWS as if it would be written as Wei ß. 
The program during the text processing enters an extra space before the given 
character. It is very disturbing and sometimes makes impossible to understand 
the text.)

As member of the management team of Freedom Scientific I would like to ask you 
to help us to connect to your team responsible for synthetizers to work 
together to make available the updated and corected versions of both 
synthetizer voices for JAWS users.

Best regards,

Csaba Godó

Cellular:   (+36 30) 921-9317
E-mail: arpadh...@hotmail.com
Skype:  godocsaba

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