[JAWS-Users] Dos Box environment?
Hi everyone. Using Windows 10 64 bit, and JAWS 18. I have a really nice looking port of the Eamon adventure series, originally designed for Apple II computers in the 1980s, with some newer adventures built more recently. I remember using an older version of this on my XP machine. It uses .bas files, as they are closest to the Applesoft Basic language the games were originally written in. On the XP machine I was able to get this to work, downloading Qbasic (bet there's a name most of you haven't heard in a long time) and, I think, running from the command line. They are now at version 5.0 of the Eamon Deluxe package, and there is even a "VI Mode", which is supposed to make the programme more workable for vision impaired folks. They say this is for "all Windows versions" (as of 2014, when the programme was last updated), and I found a note online about 64 bit OS users needing to run this in compatibility mode, which I have done. I know the programme is working because my girlfriend can read the screen. However, it opens this Dos Box environment, which I cannot seem to access with JAWS at all. Does anyone have experience with Dos Box? Is it usable at all? I tried every JAWS cursor, and all I can see is the title bar and "system" menu with options to resize or close the window. I contacted the developer, since he seems especially interested (or at least, he was in 2014) in having this work for screen-reader users. Pretty sure though that the issue is with the Dos Box environment, and not the Eamon files/programme itself. Any thoughts? Does anyone here actually play these? Cheers. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Dos Box environment?
In 64-bit Windows versions you can only use console applications compiled in 32 or 64-bit, but not 16-bit or MS-DOS ones. For actual MS-DOS apps you need emulators like Dosbox or Aeon, but since at least I never got those emulators to present a text output instead of a graphical one, I try to use a machine with a 32-bit Windows when I need something in 16-bit. Other alternative is to use a virtual machine with a 32-bit operating system like Windows XP or any NT-based or, even better, Windows 9x whose MS-DOS is complete and not a subset like the CMD of Windows NT based versions, that is, all Windows versions for consummers after Windows ME. 2017-09-26 18:46 GMT-03:00 JM Casey : > Hi everyone. > > > > Using Windows 10 64 bit, and JAWS 18. I have a really nice looking port of > the Eamon adventure series, originally designed for Apple II computers in > the 1980s, with some newer adventures built more recently. I remember using > an older version of this on my XP machine. It uses .bas files, as they are > closest to the Applesoft Basic language the games were originally written > in. On the XP machine I was able to get this to work, downloading Qbasic > (bet there's a name most of you haven't heard in a long time) and, I think, > running from the command line. > > > > They are now at version 5.0 of the Eamon Deluxe package, and there is even > a > "VI Mode", which is supposed to make the programme more workable for vision > impaired folks. They say this is for "all Windows versions" (as of 2014, > when the programme was last updated), and I found a note online about 64 > bit > OS users needing to run this in compatibility mode, which I have done. I > know the programme is working because my girlfriend can read the screen. > However, it opens this Dos Box environment, which I cannot seem to access > with JAWS at all. Does anyone have experience with Dos Box? Is it usable at > all? I tried every JAWS cursor, and all I can see is the title bar and > "system" menu with options to resize or close the window. I contacted the > developer, since he seems especially interested (or at least, he was in > 2014) in having this work for screen-reader users. Pretty sure though that > the issue is with the Dos Box environment, and not the Eamon > files/programme > itself. Any thoughts? Does anyone here actually play these? > > > > Cheers. > > > > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Dos Box environment?
Hey Fernando. Thanks for writing back. I did some research after writing that message, and, indeed, there is just no way to run Dos Box and use a Windows screen-reader. Apparently even the DOS ones have problems as the Dos Box environment is really not designed for such programmes as screen-readers. The real issue is using the qbasic programme that these games need -- I have tried all compatibility settings and it just will not run under any circumstance; as you say it is a 16-bit application. Even setting to Windows 95 compatibility does not work. I did find a 64-bit QB programme, but it's third-party and I don't know what results will be; plus the games have their own way of calling the basic interpreter which I would not be able to subvert easily, I think. Maybe it's worthwhile enough for me to learn how to create a virtual machine. That said .. anyone got some really old copy of JAWS lying around? Haha -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Fernando Gregoire Sent: September 27, 2017 11:24 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dos Box environment? In 64-bit Windows versions you can only use console applications compiled in 32 or 64-bit, but not 16-bit or MS-DOS ones. For actual MS-DOS apps you need emulators like Dosbox or Aeon, but since at least I never got those emulators to present a text output instead of a graphical one, I try to use a machine with a 32-bit Windows when I need something in 16-bit. Other alternative is to use a virtual machine with a 32-bit operating system like Windows XP or any NT-based or, even better, Windows 9x whose MS-DOS is complete and not a subset like the CMD of Windows NT based versions, that is, all Windows versions for consummers after Windows ME. 2017-09-26 18:46 GMT-03:00 JM Casey : > Hi everyone. > > > > Using Windows 10 64 bit, and JAWS 18. I have a really nice looking > port of the Eamon adventure series, originally designed for Apple II > computers in the 1980s, with some newer adventures built more > recently. I remember using an older version of this on my XP machine. > It uses .bas files, as they are closest to the Applesoft Basic > language the games were originally written in. On the XP machine I was > able to get this to work, downloading Qbasic (bet there's a name most > of you haven't heard in a long time) and, I think, running from the command line. > > > > They are now at version 5.0 of the Eamon Deluxe package, and there is > even a "VI Mode", which is supposed to make the programme more > workable for vision impaired folks. They say this is for "all Windows > versions" (as of 2014, when the programme was last updated), and I > found a note online about 64 bit OS users needing to run this in > compatibility mode, which I have done. I know the programme is working > because my girlfriend can read the screen. > However, it opens this Dos Box environment, which I cannot seem to > access with JAWS at all. Does anyone have experience with Dos Box? Is > it usable at all? I tried every JAWS cursor, and all I can see is the > title bar and "system" menu with options to resize or close the > window. I contacted the developer, since he seems especially > interested (or at least, he was in > 2014) in having this work for screen-reader users. Pretty sure though > that the issue is with the Dos Box environment, and not the Eamon > files/programme itself. Any thoughts? Does anyone here actually play > these? > > > > Cheers. > > > > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Dos Box environment?
Hi. There is a talking apple 2e emulator out in the wild, as well as a dosbox emulator that has windows 3.1. The shame of it is, I don't know where I got them from. Can you try to search for them on the audyssey forums? I'm pretty sure some folks will have been geeking out on there with these, sharing old games back and forth and the like. Cheers: Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - http://valiantGalaxy.com"; On 9/27/2017 12:31 PM, JM Casey wrote: Hey Fernando. Thanks for writing back. I did some research after writing that message, and, indeed, there is just no way to run Dos Box and use a Windows screen-reader. Apparently even the DOS ones have problems as the Dos Box environment is really not designed for such programmes as screen-readers. The real issue is using the qbasic programme that these games need -- I have tried all compatibility settings and it just will not run under any circumstance; as you say it is a 16-bit application. Even setting to Windows 95 compatibility does not work. I did find a 64-bit QB programme, but it's third-party and I don't know what results will be; plus the games have their own way of calling the basic interpreter which I would not be able to subvert easily, I think. Maybe it's worthwhile enough for me to learn how to create a virtual machine. That said .. anyone got some really old copy of JAWS lying around? Haha -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Fernando Gregoire Sent: September 27, 2017 11:24 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dos Box environment? In 64-bit Windows versions you can only use console applications compiled in 32 or 64-bit, but not 16-bit or MS-DOS ones. For actual MS-DOS apps you need emulators like Dosbox or Aeon, but since at least I never got those emulators to present a text output instead of a graphical one, I try to use a machine with a 32-bit Windows when I need something in 16-bit. Other alternative is to use a virtual machine with a 32-bit operating system like Windows XP or any NT-based or, even better, Windows 9x whose MS-DOS is complete and not a subset like the CMD of Windows NT based versions, that is, all Windows versions for consummers after Windows ME. 2017-09-26 18:46 GMT-03:00 JM Casey : Hi everyone. Using Windows 10 64 bit, and JAWS 18. I have a really nice looking port of the Eamon adventure series, originally designed for Apple II computers in the 1980s, with some newer adventures built more recently. I remember using an older version of this on my XP machine. It uses .bas files, as they are closest to the Applesoft Basic language the games were originally written in. On the XP machine I was able to get this to work, downloading Qbasic (bet there's a name most of you haven't heard in a long time) and, I think, running from the command line. They are now at version 5.0 of the Eamon Deluxe package, and there is even a "VI Mode", which is supposed to make the programme more workable for vision impaired folks. They say this is for "all Windows versions" (as of 2014, when the programme was last updated), and I found a note online about 64 bit OS users needing to run this in compatibility mode, which I have done. I know the programme is working because my girlfriend can read the screen. However, it opens this Dos Box environment, which I cannot seem to access with JAWS at all. Does anyone have experience with Dos Box? Is it usable at all? I tried every JAWS cursor, and all I can see is the title bar and "system" menu with options to resize or close the window. I contacted the developer, since he seems especially interested (or at least, he was in 2014) in having this work for screen-reader users. Pretty sure though that the issue is with the Dos Box environment, and not the Eamon files/programme itself. Any thoughts? Does anyone here actually play these? Cheers. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Dos Box environment?
It would be an interesting alternative, except for the fact that on Windows 3.1 JAWS required a hardware synthesizer. 2017-09-28 11:18 GMT-03:00 Valiant8086 : > Hi. > > > There is a talking apple 2e emulator out in the wild, as well as a dosbox > emulator that has windows 3.1. The shame of it is, I don't know where I got > them from. Can you try to search for them on the audyssey forums? I'm > pretty sure some folks will have been geeking out on there with these, > sharing old games back and forth and the like. > > > Cheers: > Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy > Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - > http://valiantGalaxy.com"; > > > > On 9/27/2017 12:31 PM, JM Casey wrote: > >> Hey Fernando. Thanks for writing back. >> >> I did some research after writing that message, and, indeed, there is just >> no way to run Dos Box and use a Windows screen-reader. Apparently even the >> DOS ones have problems as the Dos Box environment is really not designed >> for >> such programmes as screen-readers. The real issue is using the qbasic >> programme that these games need -- I have tried all compatibility >> settings >> and it just will not run under any circumstance; as you say it is a 16-bit >> application. Even setting to Windows 95 compatibility does not work. I did >> find a 64-bit QB programme, but it's third-party and I don't know what >> results will be; plus the games have their own way of calling the basic >> interpreter which I would not be able to subvert easily, I think. Maybe >> it's >> worthwhile enough for me to learn how to create a virtual machine. >> >> That said .. anyone got some really old copy of JAWS lying around? Haha >> >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On >> Behalf Of Fernando Gregoire >> Sent: September 27, 2017 11:24 AM >> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dos Box environment? >> >> In 64-bit Windows versions you can only use console applications compiled >> in >> 32 or 64-bit, but not 16-bit or MS-DOS ones. For actual MS-DOS apps you >> need >> emulators like Dosbox or Aeon, but since at least I never got those >> emulators to present a text output instead of a graphical one, I try to >> use >> a machine with a 32-bit Windows when I need something in 16-bit. Other >> alternative is to use a virtual machine with a 32-bit operating system >> like >> Windows XP or any NT-based or, even better, Windows 9x whose MS-DOS is >> complete and not a subset like the CMD of Windows NT based versions, that >> is, all Windows versions for consummers after Windows ME. >> >> 2017-09-26 18:46 GMT-03:00 JM Casey : >> >> Hi everyone. >>> >>> >>> >>> Using Windows 10 64 bit, and JAWS 18. I have a really nice looking >>> port of the Eamon adventure series, originally designed for Apple II >>> computers in the 1980s, with some newer adventures built more >>> recently. I remember using an older version of this on my XP machine. >>> It uses .bas files, as they are closest to the Applesoft Basic >>> language the games were originally written in. On the XP machine I was >>> able to get this to work, downloading Qbasic (bet there's a name most >>> of you haven't heard in a long time) and, I think, running from the >>> >> command line. >> >>> >>> >>> They are now at version 5.0 of the Eamon Deluxe package, and there is >>> even a "VI Mode", which is supposed to make the programme more >>> workable for vision impaired folks. They say this is for "all Windows >>> versions" (as of 2014, when the programme was last updated), and I >>> found a note online about 64 bit OS users needing to run this in >>> compatibility mode, which I have done. I know the programme is working >>> because my girlfriend can read the screen. >>> However, it opens this Dos Box environment, which I cannot seem to >>> access with JAWS at all. Does anyone have experience with Dos Box? Is >>> it usable at all? I tried every JAWS cursor, and all I can see is the >>> title bar and "system" menu with options to resize or close the >>> window. I contacted the developer, since he seems especially >>> interested (or at least, he was in >>> 2014) in having this work for screen-reader users. Pretty sure though >>> that the issue is wi
Re: [JAWS-Users] Dos Box environment?
Hey guys. Audyssey forum...sounds familiar. Maybe I had an account there at one time. I'll have to take a look! Ooh, I actually just got the Apple 2 E emulator the other day. That's what prompted me to find the Eamon Deluxe page again. I used it on XP and it mostly worked great once I got around a few quirks. It's probably all told better than the original applesoft, and of course you don't have to listen to that terrible/awesome singing echo voice while playing. But even so, the Apple emulator is the neatest thing I've come across online in a while. It replicates everything, right down to that echo voice and the long loading times. It hangs my machine about half the time when I try to run it though -- must be some background process in windows mucking with the works. But anyway, the Eamon Deluxe for PC archive comes with Dos Box, a popular Dos emulator. From what I have read though, even users of hardware synths and old JAWS have not quite been successful in working with this. Something to do with the way Dos Box draws to the screen with its own audio/video library. I'm thinking that the only way I might be able to do this is to virtualise a machine -- XP would probably be fine, actually. Then I could still use software synthesis, right? But how does that work with JAWS now? I assume I'd have to install it separately on the virtual machine, and that would be considered a separate computer (!) and so the license thing would probably complain, no? I've never created a virtual machine before, don't have an XP image to install -- Any advice? *grins* -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Fernando Gregoire Sent: September 28, 2017 10:58 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dos Box environment? It would be an interesting alternative, except for the fact that on Windows 3.1 JAWS required a hardware synthesizer. 2017-09-28 11:18 GMT-03:00 Valiant8086 : > Hi. > > > There is a talking apple 2e emulator out in the wild, as well as a > dosbox emulator that has windows 3.1. The shame of it is, I don't know > where I got them from. Can you try to search for them on the audyssey > forums? I'm pretty sure some folks will have been geeking out on there > with these, sharing old games back and forth and the like. > > > Cheers: > Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy > Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - > http://valiantGalaxy.com"; > > > > On 9/27/2017 12:31 PM, JM Casey wrote: > >> Hey Fernando. Thanks for writing back. >> >> I did some research after writing that message, and, indeed, there is >> just no way to run Dos Box and use a Windows screen-reader. >> Apparently even the DOS ones have problems as the Dos Box environment >> is really not designed for such programmes as screen-readers. The >> real issue is using the qbasic programme that these games need -- I >> have tried all compatibility settings and it just will not run under >> any circumstance; as you say it is a 16-bit application. Even setting >> to Windows 95 compatibility does not work. I did find a 64-bit QB >> programme, but it's third-party and I don't know what results will >> be; plus the games have their own way of calling the basic >> interpreter which I would not be able to subvert easily, I think. >> Maybe it's worthwhile enough for me to learn how to create a virtual >> machine. >> >> That said .. anyone got some really old copy of JAWS lying around? >> Haha >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] >> On Behalf Of Fernando Gregoire >> Sent: September 27, 2017 11:24 AM >> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dos Box environment? >> >> In 64-bit Windows versions you can only use console applications >> compiled in >> 32 or 64-bit, but not 16-bit or MS-DOS ones. For actual MS-DOS apps >> you need emulators like Dosbox or Aeon, but since at least I never >> got those emulators to present a text output instead of a graphical >> one, I try to use a machine with a 32-bit Windows when I need >> something in 16-bit. Other alternative is to use a virtual machine >> with a 32-bit operating system like Windows XP or any NT-based or, >> even better, Windows 9x whose MS-DOS is complete and not a subset >> like the CMD of Windows NT based versions, that is, all Windows >> versions for consummers after Windows ME. >> >> 2017-09-26 18:46 GMT-03:00 JM Casey : >> >> Hi everyone. >>> >
Re: [JAWS-Users] Dos Box environment?
In Windows 7 I used Windows XP Mode, which is a free Windows XP image pre-activated downloadable from Microsoft to use in Windows Virtual PC, an add-in for Windows 7 which is also free. HyperV en Windows 10 is more difficult to use with XP in order to get audio, so you can use another alternative like VMWare. Regarding JAWS, in virtual machines I only could install versions 4.2 and earlier. 4.51 and latter fails during installation, because virtual machines often use generic video drivers and therefore the FS Video Intercept display chaining driver cannot be installed. Being aware of this, it is simpler to use NVDA on virtual machines. 2017-09-28 13:35 GMT-03:00 JM Casey : > Hey guys. > > Audyssey forum...sounds familiar. Maybe I had an account there at one time. > I'll have to take a look! > > Ooh, I actually just got the Apple 2 E emulator the other day. That's what > prompted me to find the Eamon Deluxe page again. I used it on XP and it > mostly worked great once I got around a few quirks. It's probably all told > better than the original applesoft, and of course you don't have to listen > to that terrible/awesome singing echo voice while playing. But even so, the > Apple emulator is the neatest thing I've come across online in a while. It > replicates everything, right down to that echo voice and the long loading > times. It hangs my machine about half the time when I try to run it though > -- must be some background process in windows mucking with the works. > > But anyway, the Eamon Deluxe for PC archive comes with Dos Box, a popular > Dos emulator. From what I have read though, even users of hardware synths > and old JAWS have not quite been successful in working with this. Something > to do with the way Dos Box draws to the screen with its own audio/video > library. I'm thinking that the only way I might be able to do this is to > virtualise a machine -- XP would probably be fine, actually. Then I could > still use software synthesis, right? But how does that work with JAWS now? > I > assume I'd have to install it separately on the virtual machine, and that > would be considered a separate computer (!) and so the license thing would > probably complain, no? I've never created a virtual machine before, don't > have an XP image to install -- > Any advice? *grins* > > > > -Original Message- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > Behalf Of Fernando Gregoire > Sent: September 28, 2017 10:58 AM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dos Box environment? > > It would be an interesting alternative, except for the fact that on Windows > 3.1 JAWS required a hardware synthesizer. > > 2017-09-28 11:18 GMT-03:00 Valiant8086 : > > > Hi. > > > > > > There is a talking apple 2e emulator out in the wild, as well as a > > dosbox emulator that has windows 3.1. The shame of it is, I don't know > > where I got them from. Can you try to search for them on the audyssey > > forums? I'm pretty sure some folks will have been geeking out on there > > with these, sharing old games back and forth and the like. > > > > > > Cheers: > > Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy > > Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - > > http://valiantGalaxy.com"; > > > > > > > > On 9/27/2017 12:31 PM, JM Casey wrote: > > > >> Hey Fernando. Thanks for writing back. > >> > >> I did some research after writing that message, and, indeed, there is > >> just no way to run Dos Box and use a Windows screen-reader. > >> Apparently even the DOS ones have problems as the Dos Box environment > >> is really not designed for such programmes as screen-readers. The > >> real issue is using the qbasic programme that these games need -- I > >> have tried all compatibility settings and it just will not run under > >> any circumstance; as you say it is a 16-bit application. Even setting > >> to Windows 95 compatibility does not work. I did find a 64-bit QB > >> programme, but it's third-party and I don't know what results will > >> be; plus the games have their own way of calling the basic > >> interpreter which I would not be able to subvert easily, I think. > >> Maybe it's worthwhile enough for me to learn how to create a virtual > >> machine. > >> > >> That said .. anyone got some really old copy of JAWS lying around? > >> Haha > >> > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-lis
Re: [JAWS-Users] Dos Box environment?
Interesting. You'd think FS would put some effort into making their product work with virtual machines, especially as I guess most computers nowadays can handle them. But maybe it's only "geeks and weirdos" who want to do such things? I always forget about NVDA; I really haven't played with it enough. That does seem like the sensible option, though. I even have a copy of it on my backup drive that I could easily install. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Fernando Gregoire Sent: September 29, 2017 10:48 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dos Box environment? In Windows 7 I used Windows XP Mode, which is a free Windows XP image pre-activated downloadable from Microsoft to use in Windows Virtual PC, an add-in for Windows 7 which is also free. HyperV en Windows 10 is more difficult to use with XP in order to get audio, so you can use another alternative like VMWare. Regarding JAWS, in virtual machines I only could install versions 4.2 and earlier. 4.51 and latter fails during installation, because virtual machines often use generic video drivers and therefore the FS Video Intercept display chaining driver cannot be installed. Being aware of this, it is simpler to use NVDA on virtual machines. 2017-09-28 13:35 GMT-03:00 JM Casey : > Hey guys. > > Audyssey forum...sounds familiar. Maybe I had an account there at one time. > I'll have to take a look! > > Ooh, I actually just got the Apple 2 E emulator the other day. That's > what prompted me to find the Eamon Deluxe page again. I used it on XP > and it mostly worked great once I got around a few quirks. It's > probably all told better than the original applesoft, and of course > you don't have to listen to that terrible/awesome singing echo voice > while playing. But even so, the Apple emulator is the neatest thing > I've come across online in a while. It replicates everything, right > down to that echo voice and the long loading times. It hangs my > machine about half the time when I try to run it though > -- must be some background process in windows mucking with the works. > > But anyway, the Eamon Deluxe for PC archive comes with Dos Box, a > popular Dos emulator. From what I have read though, even users of > hardware synths and old JAWS have not quite been successful in working > with this. Something to do with the way Dos Box draws to the screen > with its own audio/video library. I'm thinking that the only way I > might be able to do this is to virtualise a machine -- XP would > probably be fine, actually. Then I could still use software synthesis, right? But how does that work with JAWS now? > I > assume I'd have to install it separately on the virtual machine, and > that would be considered a separate computer (!) and so the license > thing would probably complain, no? I've never created a virtual > machine before, don't have an XP image to install -- Any advice? > *grins* > > > > -Original Message- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] > On Behalf Of Fernando Gregoire > Sent: September 28, 2017 10:58 AM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dos Box environment? > > It would be an interesting alternative, except for the fact that on > Windows > 3.1 JAWS required a hardware synthesizer. > > 2017-09-28 11:18 GMT-03:00 Valiant8086 : > > > Hi. > > > > > > There is a talking apple 2e emulator out in the wild, as well as a > > dosbox emulator that has windows 3.1. The shame of it is, I don't > > know where I got them from. Can you try to search for them on the > > audyssey forums? I'm pretty sure some folks will have been geeking > > out on there with these, sharing old games back and forth and the like. > > > > > > Cheers: > > Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy > > Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - > > http://valiantGalaxy.com"; > > > > > > > > On 9/27/2017 12:31 PM, JM Casey wrote: > > > >> Hey Fernando. Thanks for writing back. > >> > >> I did some research after writing that message, and, indeed, there > >> is just no way to run Dos Box and use a Windows screen-reader. > >> Apparently even the DOS ones have problems as the Dos Box > >> environment is really not designed for such programmes as > >> screen-readers. The real issue is using the qbasic programme that > >> these games need -- I have tried all compatibility settings and it > >> just will not run und
Re: [JAWS-Users] Dos Box environment?
I don't think FS put effort on this, at least in the short term. While virtual machines aren’t only a jeek thing but also widely used in enterprise and server scenarios, since in these scenarios virtual machines are required for testing, compatibility or security purposes on production tools, audio hardware sharing or emulation is not really a priority, so it is normal this is not commercially interesting for Freedom Scientific. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 2:22 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dos Box environment? Interesting. You'd think FS would put some effort into making their product work with virtual machines, especially as I guess most computers nowadays can handle them. But maybe it's only "geeks and weirdos" who want to do such things? I always forget about NVDA; I really haven't played with it enough. That does seem like the sensible option, though. I even have a copy of it on my backup drive that I could easily install. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Fernando Gregoire Sent: September 29, 2017 10:48 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dos Box environment? In Windows 7 I used Windows XP Mode, which is a free Windows XP image pre-activated downloadable from Microsoft to use in Windows Virtual PC, an add-in for Windows 7 which is also free. HyperV en Windows 10 is more difficult to use with XP in order to get audio, so you can use another alternative like VMWare. Regarding JAWS, in virtual machines I only could install versions 4.2 and earlier. 4.51 and latter fails during installation, because virtual machines often use generic video drivers and therefore the FS Video Intercept display chaining driver cannot be installed. Being aware of this, it is simpler to use NVDA on virtual machines. 2017-09-28 13:35 GMT-03:00 JM Casey : > Hey guys. > > Audyssey forum...sounds familiar. Maybe I had an account there at one time. > I'll have to take a look! > > Ooh, I actually just got the Apple 2 E emulator the other day. That's > what prompted me to find the Eamon Deluxe page again. I used it on XP > and it mostly worked great once I got around a few quirks. It's > probably all told better than the original applesoft, and of course > you don't have to listen to that terrible/awesome singing echo voice > while playing. But even so, the Apple emulator is the neatest thing > I've come across online in a while. It replicates everything, right > down to that echo voice and the long loading times. It hangs my > machine about half the time when I try to run it though > -- must be some background process in windows mucking with the works. > > But anyway, the Eamon Deluxe for PC archive comes with Dos Box, a > popular Dos emulator. From what I have read though, even users of > hardware synths and old JAWS have not quite been successful in working > with this. Something to do with the way Dos Box draws to the screen > with its own audio/video library. I'm thinking that the only way I > might be able to do this is to virtualise a machine -- XP would > probably be fine, actually. Then I could still use software synthesis, right? But how does that work with JAWS now? > I > assume I'd have to install it separately on the virtual machine, and > that would be considered a separate computer (!) and so the license > thing would probably complain, no? I've never created a virtual > machine before, don't have an XP image to install -- Any advice? > *grins* > > > > -Original Message- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] > On Behalf Of Fernando Gregoire > Sent: September 28, 2017 10:58 AM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dos Box environment? > > It would be an interesting alternative, except for the fact that on > Windows > 3.1 JAWS required a hardware synthesizer. > > 2017-09-28 11:18 GMT-03:00 Valiant8086 : > > > Hi. > > > > > > There is a talking apple 2e emulator out in the wild, as well as a > > dosbox emulator that has windows 3.1. The shame of it is, I don't > > know where I got them from. Can you try to search for them on the > > audyssey forums? I'm pretty sure some folks will have been geeking > > out on there with these, sharing old games back and forth and the like. > > > > > > Cheers: > > Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy > > Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - > > h
Re: [JAWS-Users] Dos Box environment?
YesI mean with those enterprise/IT uses that have practical applications beyond merely "I want to play these old games!", I personally would think that would make it more of a priority. But I'm not in charge. :D -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Fernando Gregoire Sent: September 30, 2017 10:37 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dos Box environment? I don't think FS put effort on this, at least in the short term. While virtual machines aren’t only a jeek thing but also widely used in enterprise and server scenarios, since in these scenarios virtual machines are required for testing, compatibility or security purposes on production tools, audio hardware sharing or emulation is not really a priority, so it is normal this is not commercially interesting for Freedom Scientific. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 2:22 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dos Box environment? Interesting. You'd think FS would put some effort into making their product work with virtual machines, especially as I guess most computers nowadays can handle them. But maybe it's only "geeks and weirdos" who want to do such things? I always forget about NVDA; I really haven't played with it enough. That does seem like the sensible option, though. I even have a copy of it on my backup drive that I could easily install. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Fernando Gregoire Sent: September 29, 2017 10:48 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dos Box environment? In Windows 7 I used Windows XP Mode, which is a free Windows XP image pre-activated downloadable from Microsoft to use in Windows Virtual PC, an add-in for Windows 7 which is also free. HyperV en Windows 10 is more difficult to use with XP in order to get audio, so you can use another alternative like VMWare. Regarding JAWS, in virtual machines I only could install versions 4.2 and earlier. 4.51 and latter fails during installation, because virtual machines often use generic video drivers and therefore the FS Video Intercept display chaining driver cannot be installed. Being aware of this, it is simpler to use NVDA on virtual machines. 2017-09-28 13:35 GMT-03:00 JM Casey : > Hey guys. > > Audyssey forum...sounds familiar. Maybe I had an account there at one time. > I'll have to take a look! > > Ooh, I actually just got the Apple 2 E emulator the other day. That's > what prompted me to find the Eamon Deluxe page again. I used it on XP > and it mostly worked great once I got around a few quirks. It's > probably all told better than the original applesoft, and of course > you don't have to listen to that terrible/awesome singing echo voice > while playing. But even so, the Apple emulator is the neatest thing > I've come across online in a while. It replicates everything, right > down to that echo voice and the long loading times. It hangs my > machine about half the time when I try to run it though > -- must be some background process in windows mucking with the works. > > But anyway, the Eamon Deluxe for PC archive comes with Dos Box, a > popular Dos emulator. From what I have read though, even users of > hardware synths and old JAWS have not quite been successful in working > with this. Something to do with the way Dos Box draws to the screen > with its own audio/video library. I'm thinking that the only way I > might be able to do this is to virtualise a machine -- XP would > probably be fine, actually. Then I could still use software synthesis, right? But how does that work with JAWS now? > I > assume I'd have to install it separately on the virtual machine, and > that would be considered a separate computer (!) and so the license > thing would probably complain, no? I've never created a virtual > machine before, don't have an XP image to install -- Any advice? > *grins* > > > > -Original Message- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] > On Behalf Of Fernando Gregoire > Sent: September 28, 2017 10:58 AM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dos Box environment? > > It would be an interesting alternative, except for the fact that on > Windows > 3.1 JAWS required a hardware synthesizer. > > 2017-09-28 11:18 GMT-03:00 Valiant8086 : > > > Hi. > > > > > > There is a talking apple 2e emulator out in the wild, as well as a > > dosbox emulator that has wind
