Re: [JAWS-Users] Keyboard Configurations With Jaws
So long as it pertains to JAWS. I don't recall JAWS working on an old typewriter or key punch system. You took that line out of context, by doing that the guidelines mean nothing. David Ferrin A complex system that does not work is invariably found to have evolved from a simpler system that worked perfectly. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Lee Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 8:45 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Keyboard Configurations With Jaws I'm not argueing with you Rick, but in the guidelines doesn't it say anything is free game! -Original Message- From: Moderator Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 5:36 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Keyboard Configurations With Jaws If we are going to discuss keyboard configurations, then change the subject line to show that! And keep it related to Jaws. If you want to reminisce, take it off list! Richard Q. Justice-list moderator jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com - Original Message - From: "Rose Combs" To: Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? Well I am prehistoric then because it was 50 years ago this coming September that I started learning to type on a manual typewriter. Rose Combs roseco...@q.com A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory! -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of j Bron Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:13 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? No I don't! As far back as I can remember the tab key on the computer was in the same place as the typewriter, another pre-historic relic. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 6:08 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? Of course, JAWS wasn't in the picture then, but do any of you remember when the tab was where the function keys are now? "Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford. Carolyn - Original Message - From: "Flor Lynch" To: Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? > Yes, We've all been reduced to Ribbons, and they're here to stay. Now it'd > be nice if there were a tab key on the right of the keyboard as well as > just the one on the left! (It'd also protect JAWS from being swore at so > much in dialogues as well by users!) > > -Original Message- > From: Kimsan > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:18 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? > > I understand, less is better. > > Doesn't change the fact that they are here to stay. > > I will admit though it drives me bonkers to tab a thousand times but if > one remembers all of the keytips or use the qat to their advantage then > all is better than before. The qat, allows 9 items I think, so pick your > favorite 9. Also, I think you can create your own ribbon with all of your > favorite keytips aalso to avoid all of that tabbing. > I think with enough time and patience one can modify it to their liking to > getter done. > > -Original Message- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > Behalf Of Flor Lynch > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:01 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? > > But you have to remember more shortcut keys, and more often, than in the > past! It takes longer to move around the ribbons. > > -Original Message- > From: Kevin Lee > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:50 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? > > this is true while the drop down menus were replaced by the ribbons the > shortcut keys still work, so if you remember the shortcut keys your fine! > > -Original Message- > From: Jim Pursley > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:25 AM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? > > I think Landa nailed it. As Microsoft Office became more complex, pull > down menus did not enable most users to see more than a few controls > without going to sub menus. Hence, the ribbon, which had been in use in > other software products, was adapted to replace much of the top line > apparatus. This said, not all ribbon controls are logical nor highly > visible either. e.g. page renaming in Excel co
Re: [JAWS-Users] Keyboard Configurations With Jaws
OH I wasn't following the thread! -Original Message- From: Rick Justice Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 8:15 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Keyboard Configurations With Jaws Hi Kevin, Yes, as long as it pertains to Jaws, the conversation drifted away from that. - Original Message - From: "Kevin Lee" To: Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Keyboard Configurations With Jaws I'm not argueing with you Rick, but in the guidelines doesn't it say anything is free game! -Original Message- From: Moderator Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 5:36 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Keyboard Configurations With Jaws If we are going to discuss keyboard configurations, then change the subject line to show that! And keep it related to Jaws. If you want to reminisce, take it off list! Richard Q. Justice-list moderator jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com - Original Message - From: "Rose Combs" To: Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? Well I am prehistoric then because it was 50 years ago this coming September that I started learning to type on a manual typewriter. Rose Combs roseco...@q.com A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory! -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of j Bron Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:13 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? No I don't! As far back as I can remember the tab key on the computer was in the same place as the typewriter, another pre-historic relic. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 6:08 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? Of course, JAWS wasn't in the picture then, but do any of you remember when the tab was where the function keys are now? "Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford. Carolyn - Original Message - From: "Flor Lynch" To: Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? Yes, We've all been reduced to Ribbons, and they're here to stay. Now it'd be nice if there were a tab key on the right of the keyboard as well as just the one on the left! (It'd also protect JAWS from being swore at so much in dialogues as well by users!) -Original Message- From: Kimsan Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:18 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? I understand, less is better. Doesn't change the fact that they are here to stay. I will admit though it drives me bonkers to tab a thousand times but if one remembers all of the keytips or use the qat to their advantage then all is better than before. The qat, allows 9 items I think, so pick your favorite 9. Also, I think you can create your own ribbon with all of your favorite keytips aalso to avoid all of that tabbing. I think with enough time and patience one can modify it to their liking to getter done. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:01 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? But you have to remember more shortcut keys, and more often, than in the past! It takes longer to move around the ribbons. -Original Message- From: Kevin Lee Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:50 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? this is true while the drop down menus were replaced by the ribbons the shortcut keys still work, so if you remember the shortcut keys your fine! -Original Message- From: Jim Pursley Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:25 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? I think Landa nailed it. As Microsoft Office became more complex, pull down menus did not enable most users to see more than a few controls without going to sub menus. Hence, the ribbon, which had been in use in other software products, was adapted to replace much of the top line apparatus. This said, not all ribbon controls are logical nor highly visible either. e.g. page renaming in Excel comes under a layer called cells. Fortunately, hot keys perform the most common functions in office, bypassing the need to overheat the tab keys. On 6/25/2015 10:55 AM, Londa Peterson wrote: I think it's easier for sighted people because more options are on the screen at a time where they can see them. I know a lot of sighted people who don't like t
Re: [JAWS-Users] Keyboard Configurations With Jaws
Hi Kevin, Yes, as long as it pertains to Jaws, the conversation drifted away from that. - Original Message - From: "Kevin Lee" To: Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Keyboard Configurations With Jaws I'm not argueing with you Rick, but in the guidelines doesn't it say anything is free game! -Original Message- From: Moderator Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 5:36 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Keyboard Configurations With Jaws If we are going to discuss keyboard configurations, then change the subject line to show that! And keep it related to Jaws. If you want to reminisce, take it off list! Richard Q. Justice-list moderator jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com - Original Message - From: "Rose Combs" To: Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? Well I am prehistoric then because it was 50 years ago this coming September that I started learning to type on a manual typewriter. Rose Combs roseco...@q.com A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory! -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of j Bron Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:13 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? No I don't! As far back as I can remember the tab key on the computer was in the same place as the typewriter, another pre-historic relic. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 6:08 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? Of course, JAWS wasn't in the picture then, but do any of you remember when the tab was where the function keys are now? "Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford. Carolyn - Original Message - From: "Flor Lynch" To: Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? > Yes, We've all been reduced to Ribbons, and they're here to stay. Now it'd > be nice if there were a tab key on the right of the keyboard as well as > just the one on the left! (It'd also protect JAWS from being swore at so > much in dialogues as well by users!) > > -Original Message- > From: Kimsan > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:18 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? > > I understand, less is better. > > Doesn't change the fact that they are here to stay. > > I will admit though it drives me bonkers to tab a thousand times but if > one remembers all of the keytips or use the qat to their advantage then > all is better than before. The qat, allows 9 items I think, so pick your > favorite 9. Also, I think you can create your own ribbon with all of your > favorite keytips aalso to avoid all of that tabbing. > I think with enough time and patience one can modify it to their liking to > getter done. > > -Original Message- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > Behalf Of Flor Lynch > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:01 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? > > But you have to remember more shortcut keys, and more often, than in the > past! It takes longer to move around the ribbons. > > -Original Message- > From: Kevin Lee > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:50 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? > > this is true while the drop down menus were replaced by the ribbons the > shortcut keys still work, so if you remember the shortcut keys your fine! > > -Original Message- > From: Jim Pursley > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:25 AM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? > > I think Landa nailed it. As Microsoft Office became more complex, pull > down menus did not enable most users to see more than a few controls > without going to sub menus. Hence, the ribbon, which had been in use in > other software products, was adapted to replace much of the top line > apparatus. This said, not all ribbon controls are logical nor highly > visible either. e.g. page renaming in Excel comes under a layer called > cells. Fortunately, hot keys perform the most common functions in office, > bypassing the need to overheat the tab keys. > > On 6/25/2015 10:55 AM, Londa Peterson wrote: >> I think it's easier for sighted people because more options are on the >> screen at a time where t
Re: [JAWS-Users] Keyboard Configurations With Jaws
I'm not argueing with you Rick, but in the guidelines doesn't it say anything is free game! -Original Message- From: Moderator Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 5:36 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Keyboard Configurations With Jaws If we are going to discuss keyboard configurations, then change the subject line to show that! And keep it related to Jaws. If you want to reminisce, take it off list! Richard Q. Justice-list moderator jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com - Original Message - From: "Rose Combs" To: Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? Well I am prehistoric then because it was 50 years ago this coming September that I started learning to type on a manual typewriter. Rose Combs roseco...@q.com A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory! -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of j Bron Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:13 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? No I don't! As far back as I can remember the tab key on the computer was in the same place as the typewriter, another pre-historic relic. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 6:08 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? Of course, JAWS wasn't in the picture then, but do any of you remember when the tab was where the function keys are now? "Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford. Carolyn - Original Message - From: "Flor Lynch" To: Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? Yes, We've all been reduced to Ribbons, and they're here to stay. Now it'd be nice if there were a tab key on the right of the keyboard as well as just the one on the left! (It'd also protect JAWS from being swore at so much in dialogues as well by users!) -Original Message- From: Kimsan Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:18 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? I understand, less is better. Doesn't change the fact that they are here to stay. I will admit though it drives me bonkers to tab a thousand times but if one remembers all of the keytips or use the qat to their advantage then all is better than before. The qat, allows 9 items I think, so pick your favorite 9. Also, I think you can create your own ribbon with all of your favorite keytips aalso to avoid all of that tabbing. I think with enough time and patience one can modify it to their liking to getter done. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:01 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? But you have to remember more shortcut keys, and more often, than in the past! It takes longer to move around the ribbons. -Original Message- From: Kevin Lee Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:50 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? this is true while the drop down menus were replaced by the ribbons the shortcut keys still work, so if you remember the shortcut keys your fine! -Original Message- From: Jim Pursley Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:25 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? I think Landa nailed it. As Microsoft Office became more complex, pull down menus did not enable most users to see more than a few controls without going to sub menus. Hence, the ribbon, which had been in use in other software products, was adapted to replace much of the top line apparatus. This said, not all ribbon controls are logical nor highly visible either. e.g. page renaming in Excel comes under a layer called cells. Fortunately, hot keys perform the most common functions in office, bypassing the need to overheat the tab keys. On 6/25/2015 10:55 AM, Londa Peterson wrote: I think it's easier for sighted people because more options are on the screen at a time where they can see them. I know a lot of sighted people who don't like them either. When you press the alt key, you can then right arrow across the upper ribbon to find the different tabs. If you press tab, you will be in the choices for that ribbon. The tab key, in my opinion, is the most reliable way to move from item to item on the lower ribbon. Control right and left arrow is supposed to move you from group to group on the ribbon so that you can move through the choices faster. You also have accelerators that will let you press a s
[JAWS-Users] Keyboard Configurations With Jaws
If we are going to discuss keyboard configurations, then change the subject line to show that! And keep it related to Jaws. If you want to reminisce, take it off list! Richard Q. Justice-list moderator jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com - Original Message - From: "Rose Combs" To: Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? Well I am prehistoric then because it was 50 years ago this coming September that I started learning to type on a manual typewriter. Rose Combs roseco...@q.com A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory! -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of j Bron Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:13 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? No I don't! As far back as I can remember the tab key on the computer was in the same place as the typewriter, another pre-historic relic. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 6:08 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? Of course, JAWS wasn't in the picture then, but do any of you remember when the tab was where the function keys are now? "Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford. Carolyn - Original Message - From: "Flor Lynch" To: Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? > Yes, We've all been reduced to Ribbons, and they're here to stay. Now it'd > be nice if there were a tab key on the right of the keyboard as well as > just the one on the left! (It'd also protect JAWS from being swore at so > much in dialogues as well by users!) > > -Original Message- > From: Kimsan > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:18 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? > > I understand, less is better. > > Doesn't change the fact that they are here to stay. > > I will admit though it drives me bonkers to tab a thousand times but if > one remembers all of the keytips or use the qat to their advantage then > all is better than before. The qat, allows 9 items I think, so pick your > favorite 9. Also, I think you can create your own ribbon with all of your > favorite keytips aalso to avoid all of that tabbing. > I think with enough time and patience one can modify it to their liking to > getter done. > > -Original Message- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > Behalf Of Flor Lynch > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:01 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? > > But you have to remember more shortcut keys, and more often, than in the > past! It takes longer to move around the ribbons. > > -Original Message- > From: Kevin Lee > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:50 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? > > this is true while the drop down menus were replaced by the ribbons the > shortcut keys still work, so if you remember the shortcut keys your fine! > > -Original Message- > From: Jim Pursley > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:25 AM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? > > I think Landa nailed it. As Microsoft Office became more complex, pull > down menus did not enable most users to see more than a few controls > without going to sub menus. Hence, the ribbon, which had been in use in > other software products, was adapted to replace much of the top line > apparatus. This said, not all ribbon controls are logical nor highly > visible either. e.g. page renaming in Excel comes under a layer called > cells. Fortunately, hot keys perform the most common functions in office, > bypassing the need to overheat the tab keys. > > On 6/25/2015 10:55 AM, Londa Peterson wrote: >> I think it's easier for sighted people because more options are on the >> screen at a time where they can see them. I know a lot of sighted >> people who don't like them either. When you press the alt key, you can >> then right arrow across the upper ribbon to find the different tabs. >> If you press tab, you will be in the choices for that ribbon. The tab >> key, in my opinion, is the most reliable way to move from item to item >> on the lower ribbon. Control right and left arrow is supposed to move >> you from group to group on the ribbon so that you can move through the >> choices faster. You also have accelerators that will let you press a >> series of letters to do things more quickly. Hope this helps a little. >> I know sighted people who don't like it either because they don't know >> where things are. On the other hand, I know people who love it because >> they can
