Re: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018?
To reinforce Chris's point, it's worth listening to FSCast, where Jonathan Mosen, Eric Damery and other VFO people provide updates on JAWS, along with other presentations of varying interest. The current FSCast, 151, details numerous developments in the upcoming JAWS March update. You get a sense of why keeping current with JAWS is wise, so long as you have the funds. Here's the link to the page with a list of FSCast presentations: http://www.freedomscientific.com/About/FSCast/FullListing#Episode151 -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List <jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com> On Behalf Of chris judge Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 10:50 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018? Hi John. I've been away from the list for a few days, but thought I'd way in with my thoughts on upgrading. I have worked with blind clients for many years now, and this topic comes up everytime there is an upgrade, First, remember, if you upgrade, and there are problems with the new version for whatever reason, you can always revert back, and eventually the issues will be ironed out. What I tell my clients is, consider owning a computer like owning a vehicle. There has to be some expected maintenance costs, and if you can afford it, it's a good idea to keep up on those things. What if you skip 2018, but something comes out in2019 that you simply can't live without, then you are behind another version and it will cost you more to upgrade at this point. I know some folks simply can't afford it, but my feeling has been, if you can, and if you are planning to stick with jaws, it is prudent to keep up with the updates. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List <jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com> On Behalf Of john_just...@verizon.net Sent: March 10, 2018 11:24 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018? Hi group, I am now using Jaws 18 in its latest configuration. I just priced out the upgrade to Jaws 2018 and it will cost me $400 including the SMA. Before I make that kind of investment, I'd appreciate it if someone would tell me whether Jaws 2018 is worth the investment. I'm happy with jaws 18. I would have no objection to upgrading if someone can give me good reasons for that change. I have been studying the messages on our list and to tell you the truth, what I'm hearing is somewhat discouraging. Many people are having issues with 2018. However, I'd be willing to bet that the same thing happened when Jaws 18 was introduced. There is always a time where people have to adjust to new technology or software. JOHN AND LINDA JUSTICE WITH GUIDE DOGS EDWIN AND CALYPSOE PERSONAL E-MAIL: john_just...@verizon.net For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018?
Hi John. I've been away from the list for a few days, but thought I'd way in with my thoughts on upgrading. I have worked with blind clients for many years now, and this topic comes up everytime there is an upgrade, First, remember, if you upgrade, and there are problems with the new version for whatever reason, you can always revert back, and eventually the issues will be ironed out. What I tell my clients is, consider owning a computer like owning a vehicle. There has to be some expected maintenance costs, and if you can afford it, it's a good idea to keep up on those things. What if you skip 2018, but something comes out in2019 that you simply can't live without, then you are behind another version and it will cost you more to upgrade at this point. I know some folks simply can't afford it, but my feeling has been, if you can, and if you are planning to stick with jaws, it is prudent to keep up with the updates. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List <jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com> On Behalf Of john_just...@verizon.net Sent: March 10, 2018 11:24 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018? Hi group, I am now using Jaws 18 in its latest configuration. I just priced out the upgrade to Jaws 2018 and it will cost me $400 including the SMA. Before I make that kind of investment, I'd appreciate it if someone would tell me whether Jaws 2018 is worth the investment. I'm happy with jaws 18. I would have no objection to upgrading if someone can give me good reasons for that change. I have been studying the messages on our list and to tell you the truth, what I'm hearing is somewhat discouraging. Many people are having issues with 2018. However, I'd be willing to bet that the same thing happened when Jaws 18 was introduced. There is always a time where people have to adjust to new technology or software. JOHN AND LINDA JUSTICE WITH GUIDE DOGS EDWIN AND CALYPSOE PERSONAL E-MAIL: john_just...@verizon.net For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018?
John, Good idea. I have 2018 even though I am not using it since I use Excel so much and they do not work & play well at this point. I am also testing QuickBooks and 2018 has problems there as well but at least I have 2018 to test with for when Freedom Scientific makes the necessary adjustments to work with Excel & QuickBooks as well as JAWS18 does now. George A. Martinez, CPA O-602.368.8854 F-206.666.2589 C-602.368.5424 "I've learnedThat everyone wants to live on top of the mountain, but all the happiness and growth occurs while you're climbing it." attributed to Andy Rooney -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List <jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com> On Behalf Of Mike B. Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 11:36 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018? Hi John, Instead of listening to anyone, since you may or may not experience any of the same issues someone has complained about, download / install J2018 latest, & decide for yourself if it'll be a good investment. - Original Message - From: Dennis To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018? Not only that by upgrading you get the latest features and current windows10 features are supported. - Original Message - From: "Rick Justice" <ricjust...@jaws-users.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018? > Hi John, > Keep in mind, the longer you are out of the loop with the current version, > the more it will cost when you decide to make the change. > > HTH, > Rick Justice > > "Tomorrow's another day, another way!" > "and if tomorrow never comes, problem solved!" > > - Original Message - > From: <john_just...@verizon.net> > To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 10:23 AM > Subject: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018? > > > Hi group, > > I am now using Jaws 18 in its latest configuration. I just priced out the > upgrade to Jaws 2018 and it will cost me $400 including the SMA. Before I > make that kind of investment, I'd appreciate it if someone would tell me > whether Jaws 2018 is worth the investment. I'm happy with jaws 18. I > would have no objection to upgrading if someone can give me good reasons > for > that change. I have been studying the messages on our list and to tell > you > the truth, what I'm hearing is somewhat discouraging. Many people are > having issues with 2018. However, I'd be willing to bet that the same > thing > happened when Jaws 18 was introduced. There is always a time where people > have to adjust to new technology or software. > > > > JOHN AND LINDA JUSTICE > > WITH GUIDE DOGS EDWIN AND CALYPSOE > > PERSONAL E-MAIL: john_just...@verizon.net > > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018?
Hi John, Instead of listening to anyone, since you may or may not experience any of the same issues someone has complained about, download / install J2018 latest, & decide for yourself if it'll be a good investment. - Original Message - From: Dennis To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018? Not only that by upgrading you get the latest features and current windows10 features are supported. - Original Message - From: "Rick Justice" <ricjust...@jaws-users.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018? > Hi John, > Keep in mind, the longer you are out of the loop with the current version, > the more it will cost when you decide to make the change. > > HTH, > Rick Justice > > "Tomorrow's another day, another way!" > "and if tomorrow never comes, problem solved!" > > - Original Message - > From: <john_just...@verizon.net> > To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 10:23 AM > Subject: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018? > > > Hi group, > > I am now using Jaws 18 in its latest configuration. I just priced out the > upgrade to Jaws 2018 and it will cost me $400 including the SMA. Before I > make that kind of investment, I'd appreciate it if someone would tell me > whether Jaws 2018 is worth the investment. I'm happy with jaws 18. I > would have no objection to upgrading if someone can give me good reasons > for > that change. I have been studying the messages on our list and to tell > you > the truth, what I'm hearing is somewhat discouraging. Many people are > having issues with 2018. However, I'd be willing to bet that the same > thing > happened when Jaws 18 was introduced. There is always a time where people > have to adjust to new technology or software. > > > > JOHN AND LINDA JUSTICE > > WITH GUIDE DOGS EDWIN AND CALYPSOE > > PERSONAL E-MAIL: john_just...@verizon.net > > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018?
Not only that by upgrading you get the latest features and current windows10 features are supported. - Original Message - From: "Rick Justice" <ricjust...@jaws-users.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018? Hi John, Keep in mind, the longer you are out of the loop with the current version, the more it will cost when you decide to make the change. HTH, Rick Justice "Tomorrow's another day, another way!" "and if tomorrow never comes, problem solved!" - Original Message - From: <john_just...@verizon.net> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 10:23 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018? Hi group, I am now using Jaws 18 in its latest configuration. I just priced out the upgrade to Jaws 2018 and it will cost me $400 including the SMA. Before I make that kind of investment, I'd appreciate it if someone would tell me whether Jaws 2018 is worth the investment. I'm happy with jaws 18. I would have no objection to upgrading if someone can give me good reasons for that change. I have been studying the messages on our list and to tell you the truth, what I'm hearing is somewhat discouraging. Many people are having issues with 2018. However, I'd be willing to bet that the same thing happened when Jaws 18 was introduced. There is always a time where people have to adjust to new technology or software. JOHN AND LINDA JUSTICE WITH GUIDE DOGS EDWIN AND CALYPSOE PERSONAL E-MAIL: john_just...@verizon.net For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018?
I have JAWS 18. I have no more upgrades available on my ILM. So, it's either fork out, too, or stick with what Iv'e got, which is mostly working well on my Windows 10/64 machine. When it doesn't, I use NVDA, which is very stable and good; just doesn't always work as well with certain things. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Lee Sent: March 10, 2018 10:41 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018? You’d be better if you sticked to 18. There isn’t much difference. The only reason I’m using 2018 is because I didn’t pay for an SMA for 2018, I’m a client of the Equipments department of Washington state and they payed for my SMA. E-mail is golden!!! Kevin Lee From: john_just...@verizon.net Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 7:25 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018? Hi group, I am now using Jaws 18 in its latest configuration. I just priced out the upgrade to Jaws 2018 and it will cost me $400 including the SMA. Before I make that kind of investment, I'd appreciate it if someone would tell me whether Jaws 2018 is worth the investment. I'm happy with jaws 18. I would have no objection to upgrading if someone can give me good reasons for that change. I have been studying the messages on our list and to tell you the truth, what I'm hearing is somewhat discouraging. Many people are having issues with 2018. However, I'd be willing to bet that the same thing happened when Jaws 18 was introduced. There is always a time where people have to adjust to new technology or software. JOHN AND LINDA JUSTICE WITH GUIDE DOGS EDWIN AND CALYPSOE PERSONAL E-MAIL: john_just...@verizon.net For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018?
Hi John, Keep in mind, the longer you are out of the loop with the current version, the more it will cost when you decide to make the change. HTH, Rick Justice "Tomorrow's another day, another way!" "and if tomorrow never comes, problem solved!" - Original Message - From: <john_just...@verizon.net> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 10:23 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018? Hi group, I am now using Jaws 18 in its latest configuration. I just priced out the upgrade to Jaws 2018 and it will cost me $400 including the SMA. Before I make that kind of investment, I'd appreciate it if someone would tell me whether Jaws 2018 is worth the investment. I'm happy with jaws 18. I would have no objection to upgrading if someone can give me good reasons for that change. I have been studying the messages on our list and to tell you the truth, what I'm hearing is somewhat discouraging. Many people are having issues with 2018. However, I'd be willing to bet that the same thing happened when Jaws 18 was introduced. There is always a time where people have to adjust to new technology or software. JOHN AND LINDA JUSTICE WITH GUIDE DOGS EDWIN AND CALYPSOE PERSONAL E-MAIL: john_just...@verizon.net For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018?
Thanks George. Coming from a man who eats Excel documents for breakfast, that is good advice. I'll just wait a bit and see. For now, Jaws 18 is just fine for me. JOHN AND LINDA JUSTICE WITH GUIDE DOGS EDWIN AND CALYPSOE PERSONAL E-MAIL: john_just...@verizon.net -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List <jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com> On Behalf Of George Martinez Sr. Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 10:42 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018? John, If you use Excel a lot stay away from 2018 like the plague. As you mentioned, Freedom Scientific does catch up after a while with Microsoft Office suite but that is still in the future. I have both 2018 and JAWS18 and I am very happy with my JAWS18. George A. Martinez, CPA O-602.368.8854 F-206.666.2589 C-602.368.5424 "I've learnedThat everyone wants to live on top of the mountain, but all the happiness and growth occurs while you're climbing it." attributed to Andy Rooney -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List <jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com> On Behalf Of john_just...@verizon.net Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 8:24 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018? Hi group, I am now using Jaws 18 in its latest configuration. I just priced out the upgrade to Jaws 2018 and it will cost me $400 including the SMA. Before I make that kind of investment, I'd appreciate it if someone would tell me whether Jaws 2018 is worth the investment. I'm happy with jaws 18. I would have no objection to upgrading if someone can give me good reasons for that change. I have been studying the messages on our list and to tell you the truth, what I'm hearing is somewhat discouraging. Many people are having issues with 2018. However, I'd be willing to bet that the same thing happened when Jaws 18 was introduced. There is always a time where people have to adjust to new technology or software. JOHN AND LINDA JUSTICE WITH GUIDE DOGS EDWIN AND CALYPSOE PERSONAL E-MAIL: john_just...@verizon.net For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018?
John, If you use Excel a lot stay away from 2018 like the plague. As you mentioned, Freedom Scientific does catch up after a while with Microsoft Office suite but that is still in the future. I have both 2018 and JAWS18 and I am very happy with my JAWS18. George A. Martinez, CPA O-602.368.8854 F-206.666.2589 C-602.368.5424 "I've learnedThat everyone wants to live on top of the mountain, but all the happiness and growth occurs while you're climbing it." attributed to Andy Rooney -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List <jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com> On Behalf Of john_just...@verizon.net Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 8:24 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018? Hi group, I am now using Jaws 18 in its latest configuration. I just priced out the upgrade to Jaws 2018 and it will cost me $400 including the SMA. Before I make that kind of investment, I'd appreciate it if someone would tell me whether Jaws 2018 is worth the investment. I'm happy with jaws 18. I would have no objection to upgrading if someone can give me good reasons for that change. I have been studying the messages on our list and to tell you the truth, what I'm hearing is somewhat discouraging. Many people are having issues with 2018. However, I'd be willing to bet that the same thing happened when Jaws 18 was introduced. There is always a time where people have to adjust to new technology or software. JOHN AND LINDA JUSTICE WITH GUIDE DOGS EDWIN AND CALYPSOE PERSONAL E-MAIL: john_just...@verizon.net For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018?
You’d be better if you sticked to 18. There isn’t much difference. The only reason I’m using 2018 is because I didn’t pay for an SMA for 2018, I’m a client of the Equipments department of Washington state and they payed for my SMA. E-mail is golden!!! Kevin Lee From: john_just...@verizon.net Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 7:25 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018? Hi group, I am now using Jaws 18 in its latest configuration. I just priced out the upgrade to Jaws 2018 and it will cost me $400 including the SMA. Before I make that kind of investment, I'd appreciate it if someone would tell me whether Jaws 2018 is worth the investment. I'm happy with jaws 18. I would have no objection to upgrading if someone can give me good reasons for that change. I have been studying the messages on our list and to tell you the truth, what I'm hearing is somewhat discouraging. Many people are having issues with 2018. However, I'd be willing to bet that the same thing happened when Jaws 18 was introduced. There is always a time where people have to adjust to new technology or software. JOHN AND LINDA JUSTICE WITH GUIDE DOGS EDWIN AND CALYPSOE PERSONAL E-MAIL: john_just...@verizon.net For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018?
Hi group, I am now using Jaws 18 in its latest configuration. I just priced out the upgrade to Jaws 2018 and it will cost me $400 including the SMA. Before I make that kind of investment, I'd appreciate it if someone would tell me whether Jaws 2018 is worth the investment. I'm happy with jaws 18. I would have no objection to upgrading if someone can give me good reasons for that change. I have been studying the messages on our list and to tell you the truth, what I'm hearing is somewhat discouraging. Many people are having issues with 2018. However, I'd be willing to bet that the same thing happened when Jaws 18 was introduced. There is always a time where people have to adjust to new technology or software. JOHN AND LINDA JUSTICE WITH GUIDE DOGS EDWIN AND CALYPSOE PERSONAL E-MAIL: john_just...@verizon.net For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
