Re: [JAWS-Users] WIN 10 upgrade advice from our computer people
Merv, Don't know where you come up with your info here... Unless you are using really intensive video or graphics editing programs, 16GB memory is overkill. I don't see any reason why one would need that kind of memory with Win 10 which is quite an efficient operating system. Second, your reference to Dell and HP techs recommending people not upgrade to Win 10? There was a major update to Win 10 a couple weeks ago, so even if that were valid after it was rolled out at the end of July, I rather doubt that is applicable nowadays. In looking at the article that seems to have precipitated this http://www.laptopmag.com/articles/support-reps-diss-windows-10 it woould appear that many of them aren't knowledgeable about some of the Windows 10 support features. Much of the advice PC Phoneline support techs give is not correct or current. Examples are in that article. Also in my experience, there may be some driver issues; but I have yet to run across anything that would work in Windows 8 and not in Windows 10. Steve Lansing, MI - Original Message - From: Merv Keck To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] WIN 10 upgrade advice from our computer people Besides the fact that actual tech professionals from both Dell and HP continue to recommend waiting to upgrade to Windows 10 there really is no reason to upgrade if you don't have to. If Windows 7 or 8.1 works then don't break what is not already broken. I have very successfully helped install Windows 10 as both upgrades and as clean installs on new machines and while it is a good Operating Machine there is issues of accessibility that both Microsoft and all the major screen readers are continuing to work out. That is not a negative on any company it is a fact based on a very deep understanding of computers as an instructor, programmer, and writer of tutorials since 1984. Never mind the fact that many people are upgrading only to find that they have printers, scanners, external hard drives, and other peripherals that will no longer be supported under Windows 10. Not everyone learns at the same level. And not everyone can afford to replace outdated hardware just to scan their electric bill after they get a nasty surprise from an upgrade. I have my machines working just great on Windows 10 and for the record I used Windows 10 the Missing Manual via bookshare. I even got my windows 7 sound scheme working on a machine I upgraded from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10 with a little bit of geeking and tweaking. And I highly recommend that if you do not need to upgrade this minute, wait a few months to upgrade to Windows 10. Unless you are buying a new machine. Then by all means get a Windows 10 machine with at least 16 GB of ram and run Jaws 17 and it will rock your world. --- Roll! Tide! Roll! -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of jim Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 1:12 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] WIN 10 upgrade advice from our computer people They need some different consultants. Windows 10 works great with Jaws 16 latest, and with Jaws 17. This is one of those fear letters and worry groups. Yes, you will have a little, learning to do, but everything will be just fine on your computer. I have helped many people upgrade with no issues. A w-7, computer sometimes will take using the media creation tool, two times or so. Because, it needs to update all the older w-7 drivers. A w-8.1, computer, upgrades the first time. But if a person follows my guide, they should be OK. Of Corse, there are always exceptions to any computer update. But this continued panicking about w-10, I can't understand it. I and other users of Jaws, have been using w-10, for four months now. I love it, it is a far superior computer system... Love God! with your heart, mind, and soul, that you might be blessed reaching His goal. Love your Neighbor as you would yourself, God will truly reward you with good health. Love God, your neighbor, as you love yourself, you will then be spiritually balanced with wealth. Love His Word that proceeds from His lips, then reflect on the heavens where God sits. Jim -Original Message- From: Jim Pursley Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 6:15 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] WIN10 upgrade advice from our computer people Here's a blip from the Oregon Computer Consultant's organization. I see no reason to doubt their objectivity. "Updating to Windows 10 - NO! At meeting of computer consultants on Oct 27 we discussed windows 10 updates. - Not clean installs but updates from 7 or 8.1 to 10. Every consultant recommended waiting. Despite that, many had tested the update on their own non-crucial systems. Also, some clients had updated accidentally or against advice or demanded the consultants update them. The consultants had experience wi
Re: [JAWS-Users] WIN 10 upgrade advice from our computer people
I guess that is why they work for Dell and Hp and you don't -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 2:25 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] WIN 10 upgrade advice from our computer people Merv, Don't know where you come up with your info here... Unless you are using really intensive video or graphics editing programs, 16GB memory is overkill. I don't see any reason why one would need that kind of memory with Win 10 which is quite an efficient operating system. Second, your reference to Dell and HP techs recommending people not upgrade to Win 10? There was a major update to Win 10 a couple weeks ago, so even if that were valid after it was rolled out at the end of July, I rather doubt that is applicable nowadays. In looking at the article that seems to have precipitated this http://www.laptopmag.com/articles/support-reps-diss-windows-10 it woould appear that many of them aren't knowledgeable about some of the Windows 10 support features. Much of the advice PC Phoneline support techs give is not correct or current. Examples are in that article. Also in my experience, there may be some driver issues; but I have yet to run across anything that would work in Windows 8 and not in Windows 10. Steve Lansing, MI - Original Message - From: Merv Keck To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] WIN 10 upgrade advice from our computer people Besides the fact that actual tech professionals from both Dell and HP continue to recommend waiting to upgrade to Windows 10 there really is no reason to upgrade if you don't have to. If Windows 7 or 8.1 works then don't break what is not already broken. I have very successfully helped install Windows 10 as both upgrades and as clean installs on new machines and while it is a good Operating Machine there is issues of accessibility that both Microsoft and all the major screen readers are continuing to work out. That is not a negative on any company it is a fact based on a very deep understanding of computers as an instructor, programmer, and writer of tutorials since 1984. Never mind the fact that many people are upgrading only to find that they have printers, scanners, external hard drives, and other peripherals that will no longer be supported under Windows 10. Not everyone learns at the same level. And not everyone can afford to replace outdated hardware just to scan their electric bill after they get a nasty surprise from an upgrade. I have my machines working just great on Windows 10 and for the record I used Windows 10 the Missing Manual via bookshare. I even got my windows 7 sound scheme working on a machine I upgraded from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10 with a little bit of geeking and tweaking. And I highly recommend that if you do not need to upgrade this minute, wait a few months to upgrade to Windows 10. Unless you are buying a new machine. Then by all means get a Windows 10 machine with at least 16 GB of ram and run Jaws 17 and it will rock your world. --- Roll! Tide! Roll! -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of jim Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 1:12 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] WIN 10 upgrade advice from our computer people They need some different consultants. Windows 10 works great with Jaws 16 latest, and with Jaws 17. This is one of those fear letters and worry groups. Yes, you will have a little, learning to do, but everything will be just fine on your computer. I have helped many people upgrade with no issues. A w-7, computer sometimes will take using the media creation tool, two times or so. Because, it needs to update all the older w-7 drivers. A w-8.1, computer, upgrades the first time. But if a person follows my guide, they should be OK. Of Corse, there are always exceptions to any computer update. But this continued panicking about w-10, I can't understand it. I and other users of Jaws, have been using w-10, for four months now. I love it, it is a far superior computer system... Love God! with your heart, mind, and soul, that you might be blessed reaching His goal. Love your Neighbor as you would yourself, God will truly reward you with good health. Love God, your neighbor, as you love yourself, you will then be spiritually balanced with wealth. Love His Word that proceeds from His lips, then reflect on the heavens where God sits. Jim -Original Message- From: Jim Pursley Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 6:15 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] WIN10 upgrade advice from our computer people Here's a blip from the Oregon Computer Consultant's organization. I see no reason to doubt their objectivity. "Updating to Windows 10 - NO! At meeting of computer consultants on Oct 27 we discussed windo
Re: [JAWS-Users] WIN 10 upgrade advice from our computer people
I don't know why this topic keeps running. Some think that you should wait to update to windows ten and some think that it is OK to update now. So what! Let's let each do as he pleases and quit quibbling about it. -Original Message- From: Merv Keck Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 2:05 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] WIN 10 upgrade advice from our computer people Besides the fact that actual tech professionals from both Dell and HP continue to recommend waiting to upgrade to Windows 10 there really is no reason to upgrade if you don't have to. If Windows 7 or 8.1 works then don't break what is not already broken. I have very successfully helped install Windows 10 as both upgrades and as clean installs on new machines and while it is a good Operating Machine there is issues of accessibility that both Microsoft and all the major screen readers are continuing to work out. That is not a negative on any company it is a fact based on a very deep understanding of computers as an instructor, programmer, and writer of tutorials since 1984. Never mind the fact that many people are upgrading only to find that they have printers, scanners, external hard drives, and other peripherals that will no longer be supported under Windows 10. Not everyone learns at the same level. And not everyone can afford to replace outdated hardware just to scan their electric bill after they get a nasty surprise from an upgrade. I have my machines working just great on Windows 10 and for the record I used Windows 10 the Missing Manual via bookshare. I even got my windows 7 sound scheme working on a machine I upgraded from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10 with a little bit of geeking and tweaking. And I highly recommend that if you do not need to upgrade this minute, wait a few months to upgrade to Windows 10. Unless you are buying a new machine. Then by all means get a Windows 10 machine with at least 16 GB of ram and run Jaws 17 and it will rock your world. --- Roll! Tide! Roll! -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of jim Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 1:12 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] WIN 10 upgrade advice from our computer people They need some different consultants. Windows 10 works great with Jaws 16 latest, and with Jaws 17. This is one of those fear letters and worry groups. Yes, you will have a little, learning to do, but everything will be just fine on your computer. I have helped many people upgrade with no issues. A w-7, computer sometimes will take using the media creation tool, two times or so. Because, it needs to update all the older w-7 drivers. A w-8.1, computer, upgrades the first time. But if a person follows my guide, they should be OK. Of Corse, there are always exceptions to any computer update. But this continued panicking about w-10, I can't understand it. I and other users of Jaws, have been using w-10, for four months now. I love it, it is a far superior computer system... Love God! with your heart, mind, and soul, that you might be blessed reaching His goal. Love your Neighbor as you would yourself, God will truly reward you with good health. Love God, your neighbor, as you love yourself, you will then be spiritually balanced with wealth. Love His Word that proceeds from His lips, then reflect on the heavens where God sits. Jim -Original Message- From: Jim Pursley Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 6:15 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] WIN10 upgrade advice from our computer people Here's a blip from the Oregon Computer Consultant's organization. I see no reason to doubt their objectivity. "Updating to Windows 10 - NO! At meeting of computer consultants on Oct 27 we discussed windows 10 updates. - Not clean installs but updates from 7 or 8.1 to 10. Every consultant recommended waiting. Despite that, many had tested the update on their own non-crucial systems. Also, some clients had updated accidentally or against advice or demanded the consultants update them. The consultants had experience with 33 update attempts. 11 failed. Most failures could be reversed and returned to their previous condition, but some lost their computers completely. This isn't a large sample, and computer consultants might not have heard from clients who updated successfully, so my guess is that much less than 33% fail. Probably more like 10% or 15% and of those probably 80% can return to their old operating system and continue to run fine, but it still seems crazy to do this with an important machine. Furthermore, possible that if you aren't getting the latest versions of all your software, you could have some incompatibility there. Tech support centers say that the problems caused by the Windows 10 update are double that of most other Windows operating system upgrades. This is probably not because the upgrade process is worse, but be
Re: [JAWS-Users] WIN 10 upgrade advice from our computer people
AMEN! -Original Message- From: LeDon Becker Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 4:43 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] WIN 10 upgrade advice from our computer people I don't know why this topic keeps running. Some think that you should wait to update to windows ten and some think that it is OK to update now. So what! Let's let each do as he pleases and quit quibbling about it. -Original Message- From: Merv Keck Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 2:05 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] WIN 10 upgrade advice from our computer people Besides the fact that actual tech professionals from both Dell and HP continue to recommend waiting to upgrade to Windows 10 there really is no reason to upgrade if you don't have to. If Windows 7 or 8.1 works then don't break what is not already broken. I have very successfully helped install Windows 10 as both upgrades and as clean installs on new machines and while it is a good Operating Machine there is issues of accessibility that both Microsoft and all the major screen readers are continuing to work out. That is not a negative on any company it is a fact based on a very deep understanding of computers as an instructor, programmer, and writer of tutorials since 1984. Never mind the fact that many people are upgrading only to find that they have printers, scanners, external hard drives, and other peripherals that will no longer be supported under Windows 10. Not everyone learns at the same level. And not everyone can afford to replace outdated hardware just to scan their electric bill after they get a nasty surprise from an upgrade. I have my machines working just great on Windows 10 and for the record I used Windows 10 the Missing Manual via bookshare. I even got my windows 7 sound scheme working on a machine I upgraded from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10 with a little bit of geeking and tweaking. And I highly recommend that if you do not need to upgrade this minute, wait a few months to upgrade to Windows 10. Unless you are buying a new machine. Then by all means get a Windows 10 machine with at least 16 GB of ram and run Jaws 17 and it will rock your world. --- Roll! Tide! Roll! -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of jim Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 1:12 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] WIN 10 upgrade advice from our computer people They need some different consultants. Windows 10 works great with Jaws 16 latest, and with Jaws 17. This is one of those fear letters and worry groups. Yes, you will have a little, learning to do, but everything will be just fine on your computer. I have helped many people upgrade with no issues. A w-7, computer sometimes will take using the media creation tool, two times or so. Because, it needs to update all the older w-7 drivers. A w-8.1, computer, upgrades the first time. But if a person follows my guide, they should be OK. Of Corse, there are always exceptions to any computer update. But this continued panicking about w-10, I can't understand it. I and other users of Jaws, have been using w-10, for four months now. I love it, it is a far superior computer system... Love God! with your heart, mind, and soul, that you might be blessed reaching His goal. Love your Neighbor as you would yourself, God will truly reward you with good health. Love God, your neighbor, as you love yourself, you will then be spiritually balanced with wealth. Love His Word that proceeds from His lips, then reflect on the heavens where God sits. Jim -Original Message- From: Jim Pursley Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 6:15 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] WIN10 upgrade advice from our computer people Here's a blip from the Oregon Computer Consultant's organization. I see no reason to doubt their objectivity. "Updating to Windows 10 - NO! At meeting of computer consultants on Oct 27 we discussed windows 10 updates. - Not clean installs but updates from 7 or 8.1 to 10. Every consultant recommended waiting. Despite that, many had tested the update on their own non-crucial systems. Also, some clients had updated accidentally or against advice or demanded the consultants update them. The consultants had experience with 33 update attempts. 11 failed. Most failures could be reversed and returned to their previous condition, but some lost their computers completely. This isn't a large sample, and computer consultants might not have heard from clients who updated successfully, so my guess is that much less than 33% fail. Probably more like 10% or 15% and of those probably 80% can return to their old operating system and continue to run fine, but it still seems crazy to do this with an important machine. Furthermore, possible that if you aren't getting the latest versions of all your software, you could have some incompatibility there.
Re: [JAWS-Users] WIN 10 upgrade advice from our computer people
Agreed. On 11/25/2015 6:43 PM, LeDon Becker wrote: I don't know why this topic keeps running. Some think that you should wait to update to windows ten and some think that it is OK to update now. So what! Let's let each do as he pleases and quit quibbling about it. -Original Message- From: Merv Keck Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 2:05 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] WIN 10 upgrade advice from our computer people Besides the fact that actual tech professionals from both Dell and HP continue to recommend waiting to upgrade to Windows 10 there really is no reason to upgrade if you don't have to. If Windows 7 or 8.1 works then don't break what is not already broken. I have very successfully helped install Windows 10 as both upgrades and as clean installs on new machines and while it is a good Operating Machine there is issues of accessibility that both Microsoft and all the major screen readers are continuing to work out. That is not a negative on any company it is a fact based on a very deep understanding of computers as an instructor, programmer, and writer of tutorials since 1984. Never mind the fact that many people are upgrading only to find that they have printers, scanners, external hard drives, and other peripherals that will no longer be supported under Windows 10. Not everyone learns at the same level. And not everyone can afford to replace outdated hardware just to scan their electric bill after they get a nasty surprise from an upgrade. I have my machines working just great on Windows 10 and for the record I used Windows 10 the Missing Manual via bookshare. I even got my windows 7 sound scheme working on a machine I upgraded from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10 with a little bit of geeking and tweaking. And I highly recommend that if you do not need to upgrade this minute, wait a few months to upgrade to Windows 10. Unless you are buying a new machine. Then by all means get a Windows 10 machine with at least 16 GB of ram and run Jaws 17 and it will rock your world. --- Roll! Tide! Roll! -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of jim Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 1:12 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] WIN 10 upgrade advice from our computer people They need some different consultants. Windows 10 works great with Jaws 16 latest, and with Jaws 17. This is one of those fear letters and worry groups. Yes, you will have a little, learning to do, but everything will be just fine on your computer. I have helped many people upgrade with no issues. A w-7, computer sometimes will take using the media creation tool, two times or so. Because, it needs to update all the older w-7 drivers. A w-8.1, computer, upgrades the first time. But if a person follows my guide, they should be OK. Of Corse, there are always exceptions to any computer update. But this continued panicking about w-10, I can't understand it. I and other users of Jaws, have been using w-10, for four months now. I love it, it is a far superior computer system... Love God! with your heart, mind, and soul, that you might be blessed reaching His goal. Love your Neighbor as you would yourself, God will truly reward you with good health. Love God, your neighbor, as you love yourself, you will then be spiritually balanced with wealth. Love His Word that proceeds from His lips, then reflect on the heavens where God sits. Jim -Original Message- From: Jim Pursley Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 6:15 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] WIN10 upgrade advice from our computer people Here's a blip from the Oregon Computer Consultant's organization. I see no reason to doubt their objectivity. "Updating to Windows 10 - NO! At meeting of computer consultants on Oct 27 we discussed windows 10 updates. - Not clean installs but updates from 7 or 8.1 to 10. Every consultant recommended waiting. Despite that, many had tested the update on their own non-crucial systems. Also, some clients had updated accidentally or against advice or demanded the consultants update them. The consultants had experience with 33 update attempts. 11 failed. Most failures could be reversed and returned to their previous condition, but some lost their computers completely. This isn't a large sample, and computer consultants might not have heard from clients who updated successfully, so my guess is that much less than 33% fail. Probably more like 10% or 15% and of those probably 80% can return to their old operating system and continue to run fine, but it still seems crazy to do this with an important machine. Furthermore, possible that if you aren't getting the latest versions of all your software, you could have some incompatibility there. Tech support centers say that the problems caused by the Windows 10 update are double that of most other Windows operating system upgrades. This is pro
Re: [JAWS-Users] WIN 10 upgrade advice from our computer people
No need to be defensive! There are still several months during which it's freely available. Tech consultants aren't saying that you shouldn't upgrade. They're saying that most people would do well to wait a few months before doing so. The more one learns, the better equippped one is tohandunforeseen situations that may arise (for one reason or another). To some people, their printers and scanners are important tools so they may need to tread cautiously before trying to upgrade with them and/or get replacements that will work as well. -Original Message- From: Maria Campbell Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 1:16 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] WIN 10 upgrade advice from our computer people Agreed. On 11/25/2015 6:43 PM, LeDon Becker wrote: I don't know why this topic keeps running. Some think that you should wait to update to windows ten and some think that it is OK to update now. So what! Let's let each do as he pleases and quit quibbling about it. -Original Message- From: Merv Keck Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 2:05 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] WIN 10 upgrade advice from our computer people Besides the fact that actual tech professionals from both Dell and HP continue to recommend waiting to upgrade to Windows 10 there really is no reason to upgrade if you don't have to. If Windows 7 or 8.1 works then don't break what is not already broken. I have very successfully helped install Windows 10 as both upgrades and as clean installs on new machines and while it is a good Operating Machine there is issues of accessibility that both Microsoft and all the major screen readers are continuing to work out. That is not a negative on any company it is a fact based on a very deep understanding of computers as an instructor, programmer, and writer of tutorials since 1984. Never mind the fact that many people are upgrading only to find that they have printers, scanners, external hard drives, and other peripherals that will no longer be supported under Windows 10. Not everyone learns at the same level. And not everyone can afford to replace outdated hardware just to scan their electric bill after they get a nasty surprise from an upgrade. I have my machines working just great on Windows 10 and for the record I used Windows 10 the Missing Manual via bookshare. I even got my windows 7 sound scheme working on a machine I upgraded from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10 with a little bit of geeking and tweaking. And I highly recommend that if you do not need to upgrade this minute, wait a few months to upgrade to Windows 10. Unless you are buying a new machine. Then by all means get a Windows 10 machine with at least 16 GB of ram and run Jaws 17 and it will rock your world. --- Roll! Tide! Roll! -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of jim Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 1:12 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] WIN 10 upgrade advice from our computer people They need some different consultants. Windows 10 works great with Jaws 16 latest, and with Jaws 17. This is one of those fear letters and worry groups. Yes, you will have a little, learning to do, but everything will be just fine on your computer. I have helped many people upgrade with no issues. A w-7, computer sometimes will take using the media creation tool, two times or so. Because, it needs to update all the older w-7 drivers. A w-8.1, computer, upgrades the first time. But if a person follows my guide, they should be OK. Of Corse, there are always exceptions to any computer update. But this continued panicking about w-10, I can't understand it. I and other users of Jaws, have been using w-10, for four months now. I love it, it is a far superior computer system... Love God! with your heart, mind, and soul, that you might be blessed reaching His goal. Love your Neighbor as you would yourself, God will truly reward you with good health. Love God, your neighbor, as you love yourself, you will then be spiritually balanced with wealth. Love His Word that proceeds from His lips, then reflect on the heavens where God sits. Jim -Original Message- From: Jim Pursley Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 6:15 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] WIN10 upgrade advice from our computer people Here's a blip from the Oregon Computer Consultant's organization. I see no reason to doubt their objectivity. "Updating to Windows 10 - NO! At meeting of computer consultants on Oct 27 we discussed windows 10 updates. - Not clean installs but updates from 7 or 8.1 to 10. Every consultant recommended waiting. Despite that, many had tested the update on their own non-crucial systems. Also, some clients had updated accidentally or against advice or demanded the consultants update them. The consultants had experience with 33 update attempt
Re: [JAWS-Users] WIN 10 upgrade advice from our computer people
They need some different consultants. Windows 10 works great with Jaws 16 latest, and with Jaws 17. This is one of those fear letters and worry groups. Yes, you will have a little, learning to do, but everything will be just fine on your computer. I have helped many people upgrade with no issues. A w-7, computer sometimes will take using the media creation tool, two times or so. Because, it needs to update all the older w-7 drivers. A w-8.1, computer, upgrades the first time. But if a person follows my guide, they should be OK. Of Corse, there are always exceptions to any computer update. But this continued panicking about w-10, I can't understand it. I and other users of Jaws, have been using w-10, for four months now. I love it, it is a far superior computer system... Love God! with your heart, mind, and soul, that you might be blessed reaching His goal. Love your Neighbor as you would yourself, God will truly reward you with good health. Love God, your neighbor, as you love yourself, you will then be spiritually balanced with wealth. Love His Word that proceeds from His lips, then reflect on the heavens where God sits. Jim -Original Message- From: Jim Pursley Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 6:15 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] WIN10 upgrade advice from our computer people Here's a blip from the Oregon Computer Consultant's organization. I see no reason to doubt their objectivity. "Updating to Windows 10 - NO! At meeting of computer consultants on Oct 27 we discussed windows 10 updates. - Not clean installs but updates from 7 or 8.1 to 10. Every consultant recommended waiting. Despite that, many had tested the update on their own non-crucial systems. Also, some clients had updated accidentally or against advice or demanded the consultants update them. The consultants had experience with 33 update attempts. 11 failed. Most failures could be reversed and returned to their previous condition, but some lost their computers completely. This isn't a large sample, and computer consultants might not have heard from clients who updated successfully, so my guess is that much less than 33% fail. Probably more like 10% or 15% and of those probably 80% can return to their old operating system and continue to run fine, but it still seems crazy to do this with an important machine. Furthermore, possible that if you aren't getting the latest versions of all your software, you could have some incompatibility there. Tech support centers say that the problems caused by the Windows 10 update are double that of most other Windows operating system upgrades. This is probably not because the upgrade process is worse, but because people are being forced to do it. Wait a few more months before you succumb to the Borg." For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] WIN 10 upgrade advice from our computer people
What works well for you may not necessarily work well for somebody else. When my sighted techie friend attempted to upgrade his Windows 7 desktop PC to Windows 10, the upgrade failed and he was forced to roll back to Win 7. So results may vary from system to system, and for most blind Windows users,especially those who do not have tech-savvy sighted help on hand to bail them out, it is probably advisable to wait awhile before upgrading to Windows 10. Gerald -Original Message- From: jim Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 1:12 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] WIN 10 upgrade advice from our computer people They need some different consultants. Windows 10 works great with Jaws 16 latest, and with Jaws 17. This is one of those fear letters and worry groups. Yes, you will have a little, learning to do, but everything will be just fine on your computer. I have helped many people upgrade with no issues. A w-7, computer sometimes will take using the media creation tool, two times or so. Because, it needs to update all the older w-7 drivers. A w-8.1, computer, upgrades the first time. But if a person follows my guide, they should be OK. Of Corse, there are always exceptions to any computer update. But this continued panicking about w-10, I can't understand it. I and other users of Jaws, have been using w-10, for four months now. I love it, it is a far superior computer system... Love God! with your heart, mind, and soul, that you might be blessed reaching His goal. Love your Neighbor as you would yourself, God will truly reward you with good health. Love God, your neighbor, as you love yourself, you will then be spiritually balanced with wealth. Love His Word that proceeds from His lips, then reflect on the heavens where God sits. Jim -Original Message- From: Jim Pursley Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 6:15 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] WIN10 upgrade advice from our computer people Here's a blip from the Oregon Computer Consultant's organization. I see no reason to doubt their objectivity. "Updating to Windows 10 - NO! At meeting of computer consultants on Oct 27 we discussed windows 10 updates. - Not clean installs but updates from 7 or 8.1 to 10. Every consultant recommended waiting. Despite that, many had tested the update on their own non-crucial systems. Also, some clients had updated accidentally or against advice or demanded the consultants update them. The consultants had experience with 33 update attempts. 11 failed. Most failures could be reversed and returned to their previous condition, but some lost their computers completely. This isn't a large sample, and computer consultants might not have heard from clients who updated successfully, so my guess is that much less than 33% fail. Probably more like 10% or 15% and of those probably 80% can return to their old operating system and continue to run fine, but it still seems crazy to do this with an important machine. Furthermore, possible that if you aren't getting the latest versions of all your software, you could have some incompatibility there. Tech support centers say that the problems caused by the Windows 10 update are double that of most other Windows operating system upgrades. This is probably not because the upgrade process is worse, but because people are being forced to do it. Wait a few more months before you succumb to the Borg." For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] WIN 10 upgrade advice from our computer people
Besides the fact that actual tech professionals from both Dell and HP continue to recommend waiting to upgrade to Windows 10 there really is no reason to upgrade if you don't have to. If Windows 7 or 8.1 works then don't break what is not already broken. I have very successfully helped install Windows 10 as both upgrades and as clean installs on new machines and while it is a good Operating Machine there is issues of accessibility that both Microsoft and all the major screen readers are continuing to work out. That is not a negative on any company it is a fact based on a very deep understanding of computers as an instructor, programmer, and writer of tutorials since 1984. Never mind the fact that many people are upgrading only to find that they have printers, scanners, external hard drives, and other peripherals that will no longer be supported under Windows 10. Not everyone learns at the same level. And not everyone can afford to replace outdated hardware just to scan their electric bill after they get a nasty surprise from an upgrade. I have my machines working just great on Windows 10 and for the record I used Windows 10 the Missing Manual via bookshare. I even got my windows 7 sound scheme working on a machine I upgraded from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10 with a little bit of geeking and tweaking. And I highly recommend that if you do not need to upgrade this minute, wait a few months to upgrade to Windows 10. Unless you are buying a new machine. Then by all means get a Windows 10 machine with at least 16 GB of ram and run Jaws 17 and it will rock your world. --- Roll! Tide! Roll! -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of jim Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 1:12 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] WIN 10 upgrade advice from our computer people They need some different consultants. Windows 10 works great with Jaws 16 latest, and with Jaws 17. This is one of those fear letters and worry groups. Yes, you will have a little, learning to do, but everything will be just fine on your computer. I have helped many people upgrade with no issues. A w-7, computer sometimes will take using the media creation tool, two times or so. Because, it needs to update all the older w-7 drivers. A w-8.1, computer, upgrades the first time. But if a person follows my guide, they should be OK. Of Corse, there are always exceptions to any computer update. But this continued panicking about w-10, I can't understand it. I and other users of Jaws, have been using w-10, for four months now. I love it, it is a far superior computer system... Love God! with your heart, mind, and soul, that you might be blessed reaching His goal. Love your Neighbor as you would yourself, God will truly reward you with good health. Love God, your neighbor, as you love yourself, you will then be spiritually balanced with wealth. Love His Word that proceeds from His lips, then reflect on the heavens where God sits. Jim -Original Message- From: Jim Pursley Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 6:15 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] WIN10 upgrade advice from our computer people Here's a blip from the Oregon Computer Consultant's organization. I see no reason to doubt their objectivity. "Updating to Windows 10 - NO! At meeting of computer consultants on Oct 27 we discussed windows 10 updates. - Not clean installs but updates from 7 or 8.1 to 10. Every consultant recommended waiting. Despite that, many had tested the update on their own non-crucial systems. Also, some clients had updated accidentally or against advice or demanded the consultants update them. The consultants had experience with 33 update attempts. 11 failed. Most failures could be reversed and returned to their previous condition, but some lost their computers completely. This isn't a large sample, and computer consultants might not have heard from clients who updated successfully, so my guess is that much less than 33% fail. Probably more like 10% or 15% and of those probably 80% can return to their old operating system and continue to run fine, but it still seems crazy to do this with an important machine. Furthermore, possible that if you aren't getting the latest versions of all your software, you could have some incompatibility there. Tech support centers say that the problems caused by the Windows 10 update are double that of most other Windows operating system upgrades. This is probably not because the upgrade process is worse, but because people are being forced to do it. Wait a few more months before you succumb to the Borg." For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
