Re: [JAWS-Users] inaccessibility of googlegroups

2012-11-21 Thread Michael Capelle

You will want to change the site to the clasic style.

-Original Message- 
From: André van Deventer

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:43 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] inaccessibility of googlegroups

Hi all



I’m trying to  create a gnew group on googlegroups and although the process
seems to be straight forward  the site seems to be impossible to work with!
It seems to be some kind of non-standard thing.  At some stage it simply
says treeview treeview and then jaws simply says blank blank!



This is with IE 9 and Jaws 13 on an xp home machine.



Can anyone help?





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Re: [JAWS-Users] inaccessibility of googlegroups

2012-11-21 Thread Flor Lynch

Hi André,

the Google interface doesn't play nice with the JAWS virtual cursor in 
internet Explorer. Some better alternatives: use NVDA as screen-reader; 
and/or use firefox.


- Original Message - 
From: "André van Deventer" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 2:43 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] inaccessibility of googlegroups


Hi all



I'm trying to  create a gnew group on googlegroups and although the 
process
seems to be straight forward  the site seems to be impossible to work 
with!

It seems to be some kind of non-standard thing.  At some stage it simply
says treeview treeview and then jaws simply says blank blank!



This is with IE 9 and Jaws 13 on an xp home machine.



Can anyone help?





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Re: [JAWS-Users] inaccessibility of googlegroups

2012-11-21 Thread André van Deventer
I don't seem to get the option to do that.



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Of Michael Capelle
Sent: 21 November 2012 04:47 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] inaccessibility of googlegroups

You will want to change the site to the clasic style.

-Original Message-
From: André van Deventer
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:43 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] inaccessibility of googlegroups

Hi all



I’m trying to  create a gnew group on googlegroups and although the process 
seems to be straight forward  the site seems to be impossible to work with!
It seems to be some kind of non-standard thing.  At some stage it simply says 
treeview treeview and then jaws simply says blank blank!



This is with IE 9 and Jaws 13 on an xp home machine.



Can anyone help?





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Re: [JAWS-Users] inaccessibility of googlegroups

2012-11-21 Thread André van Deventer
I'll try the firefox root definitely thanx!



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Behalf Of Flor Lynch
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Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] inaccessibility of googlegroups

 Content preview:  Hi André, the Google interface doesn't play nice with the
   JAWS virtual cursor in internet Explorer. Some better alternatives: use
NVDA
as screen-reader; and/or use firefox. - Original Message - From:
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Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 2:43 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users]
inaccessibility
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Hi André,

the Google interface doesn't play nice with the JAWS virtual cursor in
internet Explorer. Some better alternatives: use NVDA as screen-reader;
and/or use firefox.

- Original Message -
From: "André van Deventer" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 2:43 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] inaccessibility of googlegroups


Hi all



I'm trying to  create a gnew group on googlegroups and although the 
process
seems to be straight forward  the site seems to be impossible to work 
with!
It seems to be some kind of non-standard thing.  At some stage it simply
says treeview treeview and then jaws simply says blank blank!



This is with IE 9 and Jaws 13 on an xp home machine.



Can anyone help?





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Re: [JAWS-Users] inaccessibility of googlegroups

2012-11-21 Thread André van Deventer
Firefox does not seem to behave much better!

I still cannot get an option to go to the googlegroups classic site!



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Behalf Of André van Deventer
Sent: 21 November 2012 05:07 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] inaccessibility of googlegroups

I'll try the firefox root definitely thanx!



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Behalf Of Flor Lynch
Sent: 21 November 2012 04:59 PM
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Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] inaccessibility of googlegroups

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   JAWS virtual cursor in internet Explorer. Some better alternatives: use
NVDA
as screen-reader; and/or use firefox. - Original Message - From:
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Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 2:43 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users]
inaccessibility
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Hi André,

the Google interface doesn't play nice with the JAWS virtual cursor in
internet Explorer. Some better alternatives: use NVDA as screen-reader;
and/or use firefox.

- Original Message -
From: "André van Deventer" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 2:43 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] inaccessibility of googlegroups


Hi all



I'm trying to  create a gnew group on googlegroups and although the process
seems to be straight forward  the site seems to be impossible to work with!
It seems to be some kind of non-standard thing.  At some stage it simply
says treeview treeview and then jaws simply says blank blank!



This is with IE 9 and Jaws 13 on an xp home machine.



Can anyone help?





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Re: [JAWS-Users] inaccessibility of googlegroups

2012-11-21 Thread Flor Lynch
When I was last there, NVDA did a better job with reading/navigating 
than JAWS. Window-eyes is also adversely affected by the structures.


- Original Message - 
From: "André van Deventer" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] inaccessibility of googlegroups


Firefox does not seem to behave much better!

I still cannot get an option to go to the googlegroups classic site!



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] 
On

Behalf Of André van Deventer
Sent: 21 November 2012 05:07 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] inaccessibility of googlegroups

I'll try the firefox root definitely thanx!



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On

Behalf Of Flor Lynch
Sent: 21 November 2012 04:59 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] inaccessibility of googlegroups

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NVDA
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Hi André,

the Google interface doesn't play nice with the JAWS virtual cursor in
internet Explorer. Some better alternatives: use NVDA as screen-reader;
and/or use firefox.

- Original Message -

From: "André van Deventer" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 2:43 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] inaccessibility of googlegroups


Hi all



I'm trying to  create a gnew group on googlegroups and although the 
process
seems to be straight forward  the site seems to be impossible to work 
with!

It seems to be some kind of non-standard thing.  At some stage it simply
says treeview treeview and then jaws simply says blank blank!



This is with IE 9 and Jaws 13 on an xp home machine.



Can anyone help?





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Re: [JAWS-Users] inaccessibility of googlegroups

2012-11-21 Thread André van Deventer
The plot deepens!

When I first visited the site, I could opt out of the new site  but now I am
taken directly to the new want and don't have an option to use the old one!

So if someone perhaps has a direct link for the old one I will be very
thankful indeed!



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When I was last there, NVDA did a better job with reading/navigating than
JAWS. Window-eyes is also adversely affected by the structures.

- Original Message -
From: "André van Deventer" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] inaccessibility of googlegroups


Firefox does not seem to behave much better!

I still cannot get an option to go to the googlegroups classic site!



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>On
Behalf Of André van Deventer
Sent: 21 November 2012 05:07 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] inaccessibility of googlegroups

I'll try the firefox root definitely thanx!



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Behalf Of Flor Lynch
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inaccessibility
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Re: [JAWS-Users] inaccessibility of googlegroups

2012-11-21 Thread Baracco, Andrew W
But the classic style is going away.  Then what to do?

Andy


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Of Michael Capelle
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 6:47 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] inaccessibility of googlegroups

You will want to change the site to the clasic style.

-Original Message-
From: André van Deventer
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:43 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] inaccessibility of googlegroups

Hi all



I’m trying to  create a gnew group on googlegroups and although the process 
seems to be straight forward  the site seems to be impossible to work with!
It seems to be some kind of non-standard thing.  At some stage it simply says 
treeview treeview and then jaws simply says blank blank!



This is with IE 9 and Jaws 13 on an xp home machine.



Can anyone help?





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Re: [JAWS-Users] inaccessibility of googlegroups

2012-11-22 Thread Rose Combs
You know, some of us cannot make choices of screen readers and browsers in a
work setting so the suggestions are not always the answer for a lot of
people.  


Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com


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Behalf Of André van Deventer
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:07 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] inaccessibility of googlegroups

I'll try the firefox root definitely thanx!



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Sent: 21 November 2012 04:59 PM
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inaccessibility
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Hi André,

the Google interface doesn't play nice with the JAWS virtual cursor in
internet Explorer. Some better alternatives: use NVDA as screen-reader;
and/or use firefox.

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Subject: [JAWS-Users] inaccessibility of googlegroups


Hi all



I'm trying to  create a gnew group on googlegroups and although the 
process
seems to be straight forward  the site seems to be impossible to work 
with!
It seems to be some kind of non-standard thing.  At some stage it simply
says treeview treeview and then jaws simply says blank blank!



This is with IE 9 and Jaws 13 on an xp home machine.



Can anyone help?





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Re: [JAWS-Users] inaccessibility of googlegroups

2012-11-22 Thread Flor Lynch

High tech. It's sometimes tough.

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You know, some of us cannot make choices of screen readers and browsers 
in a

work setting so the suggestions are not always the answer for a lot of
people.


Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com


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I'll try the firefox root definitely thanx!



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Hi André,

the Google interface doesn't play nice with the JAWS virtual cursor in
internet Explorer. Some better alternatives: use NVDA as screen-reader;
and/or use firefox.

- Original Message -

From: "André van Deventer" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 2:43 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] inaccessibility of googlegroups


Hi all



I'm trying to  create a gnew group on googlegroups and although the
process
seems to be straight forward  the site seems to be impossible to work
with!
It seems to be some kind of non-standard thing.  At some stage it simply
says treeview treeview and then jaws simply says blank blank!



This is with IE 9 and Jaws 13 on an xp home machine.



Can anyone help?





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