[JBoss-dev] [Design of JBoss Portal] - Re: Will the Portal support deployment to other AS?

2005-04-11 Thread fernir
Portal heavily depends on the Servlet container implementation. Different 
vendor?s implementations known to be non compatible in some areas (thread 
allocation per request, redirect, include, forward, etc), that creates a lot of 
problems for portlet container implementation. 
  In the future portlet container may be included in the standard j2ee server 
(j2ee 1.6). There is no standard contract defined between portal and portlet 
container, so it will be custom implementation for each supported AS.


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[JBoss-dev] [Design of JBoss Portal] - Re: Will the Portal support deployment to other AS?

2005-04-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
today a given JBoss Portal version is targeted to run on a defined set of JBoss 
AS versions because JBoss Portal is part of JEMS.

When we will support more servlet containers, we will ensure that the portlet 
container implementation is certified on JBoss AS. So far we cannot guarantee 
anything for other containers.

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[JBoss-dev] [Design of JBoss Portal] - Re: Will the Portal support deployment to other AS?

2005-04-11 Thread jjustice
Thank you for the responses.  However, I see two kinds of answers here.  One 
saying that eventually it would be nice for JBoss Portal to be deployable to 
other AS, and the other saying that there are technical reasons why this won't 
happen.  I understand that the Portal-PortletContainer contract is not 
standardized, but this doesn't prevent Portals like Liferay and eXo from being 
deployed to different AS.  I'm new to JBoss, so I don't really know what JEMS 
is or what the implications of that link are, but it does seem that the JBoss 
team may have made choices to couple the Portal to JBoss in ways that are not 
an immediate consequence of the standards or lack of standards. 

That being said, if worse comes to worse, we'd still be much better off from a 
cost of licensing standpoint if we have to deploy JBoss to deliver our Portal 
to a client who already has WebSphere than we would be if we had to deploy 
WebSphere to deliver our Portal to a client who already has JBoss.  :)

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[JBoss-dev] [Design of JBoss Portal] - Re: Will the Portal support deployment to other AS?

2005-04-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
jjustice wrote : Thank you for the responses.  However, I see two kinds of 
answers here.  One saying that eventually it would be nice for JBoss Portal to 
be deployable to other AS, and the other saying that there are technical 
reasons why this won't happen.  

The short technical answer is that it depends on the jboss5 pojo framework.

jjustice wrote : 
  | I understand that the Portal-PortletContainer contract is not standardized, 
but this doesn't prevent Portals like Liferay and eXo from being deployed to 
different AS.  I'm new to JBoss, so I don't really know what JEMS is or what 
the implications of that link are, but it does seem that the JBoss team may 
have made choices to couple the Portal to JBoss in ways that are not an 
immediate consequence of the standards or lack of standards.  

The decision was made early on in the project to focus on JBoss AS, for reasons 
of resource-usage. It was much easier for us to focus on one container and do 
it well than focus on 5 containers and do it poorly with the fixed amount of 
resources we originally had. Aside from developing the portal, we have to hand 
the portal code over to our QA labs for testing. It also becomes a 
resource-usage issue then.

jjustice wrote : 
  | That being said, if worse comes to worse, we'd still be much better off 
from a cost of licensing standpoint if we have to deploy JBoss to deliver our 
Portal to a client who already has WebSphere than we would be if we had to 
deploy WebSphere to deliver our Portal to a client who already has JBoss.  :)

This sentence confused me. ;-)

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[JBoss-dev] [Design of JBoss Portal] - Re: Will the Portal support deployment to other AS?

2005-04-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Today JBoss Portal uses JBoss microkernel as integration bus for our services 
and in the future it will use JBoss microcontainer the next generation of the 
microkernel.

Technically, JBoss upcoming micro container will run in any VM and will provide 
us portability for that layer.

So the other technical aspect is about the servlet container layer on which the 
portal depends and that has already been adressed in a post earlier.


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[JBoss-dev] [Design of JBoss Portal] - Re: Will the Portal support deployment to other AS?

2005-04-08 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Eventually this will be something we look at, but it needs the jboss5 pojo 
framework to be a reality. We also have a lot of implementation work that we 
certainly don't want to impeded by having to worry about cross platform support.


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