[JBoss-dev] [Nukes Development] - Re: Pure-CMP FAQ Module revamp

2004-05-14 Thread hxp
To anybody who's reading this thread ---


The new pure-CMP Quotes and FAQ modules are now checked into CVS  :)

Please grab a copy, try em out, and post some bugs/critique/feedback.

Thanks!

-- Howard 



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[JBoss-dev] [Nukes Development] - Re: Pure-CMP FAQ Module revamp

2004-05-13 Thread jae77
howard - 

  i just saw your cvs commits for the quotes code (cool stuff). 

  i've got a question about the unknown primary key stuff...how exactly are you using 
it? 
  
  in the news code, when i define the getter for the primary key field and add all the 
corresponding xdoclet code, i just state that it should be auto-incremented. i'm able 
to insert, etc w/o issue. 

  i understand the need for the unknown-pk stuff if you are not using an integer as 
the pk for the database, but i'm not really sure what it gets you in this situation 
(and i'm worried that i may be doing something incorrect by not having it myself). 

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[JBoss-dev] [Nukes Development] - Re: Pure-CMP FAQ Module revamp

2004-05-10 Thread hxp
Hi Julien --

As I wrote at the beginning of this thread...

hxp wrote : I have the backends of 2 modules -- FAQ and Quotes -- revamped to a 
pure-CMP approach. ... I've successfully upgraded ... to pure-CMP so that it doesnt 
use sql/ddl anymore at all. I've recently gotten xdoclet, unknown-pk, and CMR to 
coexist without problems. 
  | 

The final step for this phase is making sure that this works without a hitch on both 
HSQL and MySQL. With the fixes Jae committed a few days ago, I'm testing and expecting 
things to go smoothly.  (After I commit, it would be good if other people can test on 
postgres, oracle, etc)


hxp wrote : 
  | If you want me to go the CVS route, I'm willing to become the maintainer of the 
FAQ module, and begin reworking the rest of it (some for 1.1; more for 1.2).  
  | ...
  | I will be travelling from mid-May to early-July (and unavailable for coding), so I 
don't want to raise expectations too much. 
  | 
  | From July onwards, I would foresee revamping  enhancing the entire FAQ module, 
consistent with JSR-168 and whatever frontend architecture is optimal for Nukes at 
that point. 
  | 
  | 

Because I'm running out of time to prepare for 2 months of travel, I will commit my 
final contribution for 1.1 this week. It will contain only  backend improvements.

I will overhaul the frontend completely for 1.2, after my travels are over ~ 
mid-July... and then continue to be maintainer of the FAQ module, as offered in my 
original post.

Thanks for your email and offer of help :) I'll be back to you when I need 
specific help, such as with any CVS hitches.

-- Howard



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[JBoss-dev] [Nukes Development] - Re: Pure-CMP FAQ Module revamp

2004-05-07 Thread hxp
Jae --

Glad to see it!

I intend to give yr chgs a good testing tomorrow on both mysql/linux and hsql/windows.

+more to say re your last 2 msgs, but it can wait till later.

--Howard

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[JBoss-dev] [Nukes Development] - Re: Pure-CMP FAQ Module revamp

2004-05-05 Thread jae77
ok - the changes are checked in. update cvs to get them. be aware that when you re-run 
the build, if you have made any changes to the local.properties file in the build 
directory, it will be overwritten w/ the default one in build/etc. 

in order to use the settings, just change your xdoclet configuration inside the entity 
beans to this:


  | @jboss.persistence
  |create-table  = ${nukes.create-table}
  |remove-table  = ${nukes.remove-table}
  |pk-constraint = ${nukes.pk-constraint}
  | 

create = true, remove = false, and pk-constraint = true for all db except hsqldb. 

on a side note, the i remove the oracle8.properties file and instead made it work like 
the rest of the db settings. if you want to use oracle8, just specify that inside the 
local.properties file.

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[JBoss-dev] [Nukes Development] - Re: Pure-CMP FAQ Module revamp

2004-05-04 Thread hxp
Jae -- 

jae77 wrote : i am going to update mapping propery files (the ones used by the 
local.properties file) to have the pk-constraint settting automatically defined. this 
should handle that issue 
  | ...
  |  i know i've accidently forgotten to change the mapping in the local.properties 
file and had these same types of errors. 

OK, you're going to be setting pk-constraint default on a per-DB basis, sounds good. 
But what about properly switching jbosscmp-jdbc.xml settings? 

From MySQL  Pure-CMP --- issues w News  FAQ modules
 http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=quotep=3833509

sesques wrote : 
  | ...You don't have to rely on database specific tags for the mapping, all the 
mappings are described in the standardjbosscmp-jdbc.xml file. For MySQL, the mapping 
for Strings is VARCHAR(250).
  | 
  | So, you just have to specify the datasource mapping type in jbosscmp-jdbc like LCB 
says ...

LCB wrote : 
  | jbosscmp-jdbc...
  |   |defaults
  |   |  datasourcejava:NukesDS/datasource
  |   |  datasource-mappingmySQL/datasource-mapping
  |   |/defaults

hxp wrote : Hi Pascal, Hi LCB --
  | 
  | Thanks for your suggestions. 
  | 
  | Your standardjbosscmp-jdbc.xml / jbosscmp-jdbc.xml analysis has the ring of truth 
to it; 
  | we need to check into it to determine for sure. 
  | 
  | Your analysis also explains why this is not a general problem for JBoss,
  |  but is a general problem for Nukes 
  | all Nukes modules share the faulty configuration file(s).  
  | 
  | These faulty configuration files would have been manually administered in a 
typical JBoss app environment, 
  | but instead they are automatically generated or fixed in CVS 
  | and automatically included in the Nukes build process. 
  | 
  | Because Nukes modules have never used pure-CMP prior to now (in particular, 
  | using the create-table xdoclet tag to generate the xml to get the container to 
create the tables), 
  | this problem has never shown up before now.
  | 
  | The next question is where to put the fix(es) into Nukes --
  | * in the nukes installer? 
  | * in the ant build process... 
  | the build.xml?  the local.properties file? the mapping propery files?  
  | Jae's post begins to go into this question; 
  | looks like we're hot on the trail of a good solution.
  | 

What is the best way -- in the Nukes context -- to implement what Pascal Sesques and 
LCB are recommending? 

Will the user be able to control everything cleanly from local.properties? Will the 
installer work properly, even when a different datasource (other than the one 
specified in local.properties) is selected?

Most importantly, will this work across all nukes modules, and with all 
JBoss-supported databases, transparently without further user configuration?

-- Howard

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[JBoss-dev] [Nukes Development] - Re: Pure-CMP FAQ Module revamp

2004-05-04 Thread hxp
Jae --

jae77 wrote : ok - i'm back from vegas, a little bit poorer (howard, you owe me some 
noodles) and married (YAY!!!)

Happy to keep my word; the noodles are on me.

You hadn't mentioned that you were about to be a family man... so now, not only to 
hedge your gambling losses in Vegas, but also to give a wedding gift, and thank you 
for your making the Nukes world (or at least local.properties) safe for pure-CMP 
(which you are about to do in the next few days, right? :))  I increase my offer: 
I'll buy a bowl of Pho for you and for every family member you bring with you.

Now, calculating the odds. The longer I wait to come within 25 miles of Ellicott City, 
the more kids you'll have and the more they'll eat... and the more relatives you'll be 
able to bring who are willing to listen to an intense conversation of java-jboss-nukes 
internals...  ;-)

So better not wait. I'm buying my air tickets this week, and I'll be buying you Pho in 
June.

--Howard




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[JBoss-dev] [Nukes Development] - Re: Pure-CMP FAQ Module revamp

2004-05-04 Thread jae77
hehe - i didn't really expect to come back a family man. we had talked about it, but i 
didn't actually think it would happen. 

have no fear though, i don't plan on having kids any time soon (if at all), so our 
outting should be relatively inexpensive :)


getting back to the nukes discussion, i take it from your other post that everything 
is working ok. let me know if anything else comes up. 

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[JBoss-dev] [Nukes Development] - Re: Pure-CMP FAQ Module revamp

2004-05-04 Thread cooper
jae congrats !!!

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[JBoss-dev] [Nukes Development] - Re: Pure-CMP FAQ Module revamp

2004-05-04 Thread hxp
Jae --

jae77 wrote :  
  | getting back to the nukes discussion, i take it from your other post that 
everything is working ok. let me know if anything else comes up. 
  |   

Yes, we're making good progress. 

OTOH, since the overall goal is creating a totally-clean pure-CMP template (that works 
transparently across all JBoss-supported DBs)  that we can then use as a basis to redo 
all the modules and to base new modules on... and also making any changes (global 
adjustments) necessary in the core, installer, /or build process necessary to 
support proper operation of those pure-CMP templates/modules we've still got a 
ways to go.  

1) There are architectural questions still open, mentioned on my past posts on this 
thread (please review, esp bottom half of May 4, 2004 01:27 AM post). (How these 
questions are answered will relate to how you do the global adjustment you 
mentioned; what changes will be made to the installer; etc).

2) Once you put the global adjustment in (and Julien gives me RW), I can immediately 
commit my updated FAQ  Quotes modules, and have confidence that they will work 
equivlently on MySQL, HSQL, etc, and be included in the 1.1 release.  Next, you and I 
can converge our entity ejb xdoclet approaches, and produce the pure-CMP template that 
others can work from. After my east coast trip, I will redo the FAQ front end, and 
make other improvements for 1.2 as mentioned in the first message on this thread.

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[JBoss-dev] [Nukes Development] - Re: Pure-CMP FAQ Module revamp

2004-05-04 Thread jae77
thx julien!!

howard, i'm not sure i understand what you're asking. editting the local.properties 
file to set the correct database


  | # Nukes target database, for now : hsqldb, mysql, postgresql are the possible 
values
  | nukes.database=hsqldb
  | 

automatically handles all the mapping issues for you. once you run the build, the 
jbosscmp-jdbc.xml file is automatically created w/ the correct mappings inside. 

i don't think there is any way to automatically have the installer modify the 
datasource for us unless we have a way to write the file back out to the deploy 
directory (or just create it on the fly). 

everything should be able to be controlled cleanly through modification of the 
local.properties file. we could probably extend the build script to prompt a user for 
some input and use that to get the databse to use so ppl don't have to worry about 
editting that file. 

let me know if i'm off track on what you're looking for.

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[JBoss-dev] [Nukes Development] - Re: Pure-CMP FAQ Module revamp

2004-04-28 Thread hxp
Jae -- 


jae77 wrote :  
  |  are you sure you're not missing something w/ the xdoclet/ant config/setup?
  |   
No, I'm not sure. Please say more about this when you get a chance.


jae77 wrote :  
  |  i ask b/c we are generating successful deployments for other components and 
mysql.  

Careful, careful... those were not pure-CMP deployments... weren't relying on 
create-table 

I suspect we'll find something wrong with the interaction of create-table and nukes 
and mysql


jae77 wrote :  i'm curious to know what the issue w/ the entity command is and how 
it relates to creating the tables themselves. 
  |  

Just a suspicion at this point; haven't had time to investigate to determine root 
cause will post more ~Sunday/Monday.

I have more to say on this that's relevant to News Module as well --- so I'm forking 
this thread, and continuing implem/debugging discussion at:

MySQL  Pure-CMP --- issues w News  FAQ modules

http://jboss.org/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopict=49132

Bye for a few days.

-- Howard

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[JBoss-dev] [Nukes Development] - Re: Pure-CMP FAQ Module revamp

2004-04-27 Thread jae77
at this point, i definately feel that pure cmp is the way to go (i stared at those 
ddls for quite some time debating whether or not i wanted to re-write them), but i 
don't think it's necessary for the 1.1 release.

i do think that if ppl are reworking a module for 1.1 and are comfortable w/ xdoclet, 
etc then by all means include it, but otherwise i think this should be set as a goal 
for the 2.0 release.  

i don't have oracle, mysql, or postgres running at home, so while i haven't had any 
issues creating tables in hsqldb, i don't know if someone else may have an issue. (i 
know for hsqldb, i have to set the pk-constraint to false, but this may not be 
necessary for the other dbs). 

btw: preloading data could probably be done w/ .bsh scripts that could be lumped into 
the deployed ear - they'd just need a check to see if the data is already there so it 
doesn't try to re-create it. 

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[JBoss-dev] [Nukes Development] - Re: Pure-CMP FAQ Module revamp

2004-04-27 Thread hxp

hxp wrote : 
  | 
  | Jae --
  | 
  | jae77 wrote : at this point, i definately feel that pure cmp is the way to go 
  | 
  | Great news, Jae -- thanks for your vote!
  | 
  | 
  | jae77 wrote : (i stared at those ddls for quite some time debating whether or 
not i wanted to re-write them), 
  | Yeah, that was what held me back for a while.  For a reminder, see #1-2-3 at 
  | http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopict=46324 The breakthru 
came when I realized that #2  #3 were unnecessary -- at least for now, because 90%+ 
of the ddl code was loading dummy/demo data that could be dispensed with. The few 
entities which have to be preloaded are for the initial admin/admin user and 
associated group; and I came up with a cool idea for securely initializing these in a 
pure-CMP environment. 
  | 
  | This realization also led to seeing that any/all of the non-core modules could be 
migrated to pure-CMP without waiting for the core to be migrated. So the problem 
reduced to just #1... and that on a module-by-module basis :-) !  Which made it 
feasible for me to do #1 by myself, and work out initial templates for other people to 
use to convert more modules.
  | 
  | So realizing we indeed can get rid of the ddl leads to all sorts of other good 
insights :-)
  | 
  | 
  | jae77 wrote : but i don't think it's necessary for the 1.1 release. 
  | 
  | Agreed --  I hope nobody interprets this thread as saying the shift to pure-CMP 
must happen for 1.1!  Instead, the intent is to show that a few non-core modules can 
go to pure-CMP for 1.1 . At this point, we are close to having 3 pure-CMP modules 
ready for 1.1 --- your News, and my Quotes and FAQ. Maybe Dennis will get inspired and 
tune Polls and Downloads in this direction (I dont think he has any init data; but 
probably still uses ddl for table creation; I haven't looked to see.)
  | 
  | jae77 wrote : i do think that if ppl are reworking a module for 1.1 and are 
comfortable w/ xdoclet, etc then by all means include it, but otherwise i think this 
should be set as a goal for the 2.0 release.  
  | Yes, a great goal would be 100% pure-CMP (including the core) by 2.0; and a 
healthy number of non-core modules already moved to pure-CMP by 1.2.
  | 
  | jae77 wrote : i don't have oracle, mysql, or postgres running at home, so while 
i haven't had any issues creating tables in hsqldb, i don't know if someone else may 
have an issue. (i know for hsqldb, i have to set the pk-constraint to false, but this 
may not be necessary for the other dbs). 
  | I have hsql on my home dev nukes inst, but have mysql on my rh9 linux box colo'd 
at the datacenter. Early tests show a bug with mysql and the nukes entity command; 
you'll see something more about this from me by the time you get back from Las Vegas.  
  | 
  | jae77 wrote : btw: preloading data could probably be done w/ .bsh scripts that 
could be lumped into the deployed ear - they'd just need a check to see if the data is 
already there so it doesn't try to re-create it. 
  | 
  | Ahhh we can do much better than that. I want to create a Lifecycle 
(Meta-Admin) Module that would automte  manage all sorts of data initialization, 
bulk loading, dumprestore, schema-evolution + data-migration, fancy backup, etc, etc. 
Much of the good work that Noel and Sherman did for the installer would be absorbed 
into this much more general Lifecycle Module, because we're getting closer and closer 
to the realization that we don't need an installer at all.
  | 
  | One of the reasons that i made the 
  | http://jboss.org/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=InstallUninstallUpgrade
  | wiki is to pinpoint exactly how complex it really is to manage the lifecycle of a 
basic Nukes installation. One of my goals with the pure-CMP push and the Lifecycle 
Module will be to cut the number of steps in InstallUninstallUpgrade by 50% --- and 
then 50% again, until we have an ultra-simple way of getting-going and keeping 
up-to-date. Ultimately, just a single Ant task -- and everything other than that would 
be done within the secure single-sign-on Nukes environment.
  | 
  | (Have fun in Las Vegas -- just don't go broke, 'cause we need you to be able to 
afford to keep working on Nukes ;-)) 
  | 
  | -- Howard
  | 
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[JBoss-dev] [Nukes Development] - Re: Pure-CMP FAQ Module revamp

2004-04-27 Thread jae77
hxp wrote : 
  | (Have fun in Las Vegas -- just don't go broke, 'cause we need you to be able to 
afford to keep working on Nukes ;-)) 
  | 

  hehe - shouldn't you be hoping that i win big so i can quit the day job and work on 
nukes full time? :)

  i'm curious to know what the issue w/ the entity command is and how it relates to 
creating the tables themselves. i know hsqldb has an issue where you can't enable the 
pk-constraint when creating the tables. are you sure you're not missing something w/ 
the xdoclet/ant config/setup? i ask b/c we are generating successful deployments for 
other components and mysql.  

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[JBoss-dev] [Nukes Development] - Re: Pure-CMP FAQ Module revamp

2004-04-27 Thread hxp
hxp wrote : jae77 wrote : hxp wrote : 
  |   |   | (Have fun in Las Vegas -- just don't go broke, 'cause we need you to be 
able to afford to keep working on Nukes ;-)) 
  |   |   | 
  |   | 
  |   |   hehe - shouldn't you be hoping that i win big so i can quit the day job and 
work on nukes full time? :)
  |   | 
  |   |  
  | 
  | Well... now that you put it that way... here's a hedge bet for you: the stakes are 
2 large bowls of Pho, to be settled next time we're both within 25 miles of Ellicott 
City (House of Asia, [EMAIL PROTECTED]); if you have a net loss in Las Vegas, I'll 
buy; otherwise you'll buy. With those stakes, you can be sure I'll be pulling for you 
to win really big this weekend. :-)  You on?

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[JBoss-dev] [Nukes Development] - Re: Pure-CMP FAQ Module revamp

2004-04-27 Thread jae77
hehe - sure - are you in the maryland area? i live in columbia (so i'm always w/in 25 
miles of EC), but i'm headed back to nyc in the fall. 

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[JBoss-dev] [Nukes Development] - Re: Pure-CMP FAQ Module revamp

2004-04-27 Thread hxp
hxp wrote : jae77 wrote : hehe - sure 
  | 
  | OK, great, we're on -- so I'm pulling for you to win bigtime!
  | 
  | jae77 wrote : are you in the maryland area?
  | 
  | No.  Currently more like 2000 miles from where you are now; 700 from where you'll 
be this weekend.
  | 
  | But considering I've spent 90%+ of the past 20 years much much more than 2000 
miles away from Columbia... mostly in Singapore, Australia, Thailand, Israel, England, 
Hawaii, California...  your odds are increasing.
  | 
  | The fact that I'll be in Princeton at the end of May and N Virginia in late June 
increases your odds even more. 
  | 
  | And given that I've enjoyed upwards of 40 bowls of Pho in EC during the past 2 
years... you can bet on it  :)
  | 
  | 

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