RE: [JBoss-dev] That flaming fireball in the sky...
Bill, for the WORA: (W)rite (O)nce, (R)un (A)nywhere. Cheers Georg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill Burke Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 14:37 To: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] That flaming fireball in the sky... Here's the full quote. What the hell is WORA? Marinescu: What is Sun's point of view in the debate over whether J2EE licensing restricts open source J2EE products? Shannon: Sun participates in open source because it helps spark innovation, improve software quality, and fosters community. The source code for the J2EE reference implementation is made available publicly as part of the Sun Community Source Licensing program. Sun supports open source developers because their efforts are consistent with Sun's own computing vision which uses open standards and non-proprietary interfaces. Sun's goal is to make our software as open as possible while ensuring portability and WORA. Tegan: At the same time, having a strong brand and compatibility standards are important to the development of a robust market for J2EE platform products, tools, and components. The J2EE Compatible brand has achieved significant momentum over the past two years, and we want to make sure that any open source efforts don't impact the viability of that effort. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of marc > fleury > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 2:16 AM > To: Dain Sundstrom; Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net > Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] That flaming fireball in the sky... > > > ignore the noise, focus on the work > > marcf > > PS: I agree with your analysis, the "J2EE certified" brand is weaker for > every download we have and we are not certified. Having the most > downloaded > server not certified takes a lot of credibility out of the brand. I was > reading the forum this was posted on and found interesting to hear that > people say JBoss has become a "defacto-standard" of sorts. I believe that > statement to be true at least for the development. Look at the download > numbers we have >50k month weblogic has 3k for their free > version. For the > production I am waiting for a report that takes into account > "free" and "for > pay" and counts "CPUs" installed, I wouldn't be surprised the > "Apache" story > would repeat itself. > > But for now focus on the download numbers. The rest is noise. Noise, bla > bla bla. > > > |-Original Message- > |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dain > |Sundstrom > |Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 7:01 PM > |To: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net > |Subject: [JBoss-dev] That flaming fireball in the sky... > | > | > |I found this on the apache web site. I interpret this statement slightly > |different the Jakarta guys. To me it looks like the J2EE licensees are > |getting nervous about the high quality of the open source J2EE > |implementations (i.e., JBoss), and feel the only way to distinguish them > |selves in the marketplace is with some lame certification. > | > |- > |30 January 2002 - That flaming fireball in the sky... > | > |In a recent article, Karen Tegan, Director of J2EE Compatibility and > |Platform Services for Sun Microsystems, had the following to say: > | > |"The J2EE Compatible brand has achieved significant momentum > over the past > |two years, and we want to make sure that any open source efforts don't > |impact the viability of that effort." > | > |In other words, Sun doesn't give a hoot about whether J2EE licensing > |restricts open source J2EE products (in case you missed it, it > does). Thus, > |the Apache Software Foundation's involvement in the Java > Community Process > |(JCP) is simply an advertising statement for Sun to claim that > they have a > |'vision which uses open standards and non-proprietary interfaces'. If you > |would like to express your opinions of Sun's licensing terms, > feel free to > |contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] and let us know what you think. Thanks. > | > |Followup thread on Jakarta-General: J2EE considered harmful. > | > |___ > |Jboss-development mailing list > |[EMAIL PROTECTED] > |https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development > > > > ___ > Jboss-development mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] That flaming fireball in the sky...
Write Once Run Anywhere? - Original Message - From: "Bill Burke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 8:36 AM Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] That flaming fireball in the sky... > Here's the full quote. What the hell is WORA? > > Marinescu: What is Sun's point of view in the debate over whether J2EE > licensing restricts open source J2EE products? > > Shannon: Sun participates in open source because it helps spark innovation, > improve software quality, and fosters community. The source code for the > J2EE reference implementation is made available publicly as part of the Sun > Community Source Licensing program. > > Sun supports open source developers because their efforts are consistent > with Sun's own computing vision which uses open standards and > non-proprietary interfaces. Sun's goal is to make our software as open as > possible while ensuring portability and WORA. > > Tegan: At the same time, having a strong brand and compatibility standards > are important to the development of a robust market for J2EE platform > products, tools, and components. The J2EE Compatible brand has achieved > significant momentum over the past two years, and we want to make sure that > any open source efforts don't impact the viability of that effort. > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of marc > > fleury > > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 2:16 AM > > To: Dain Sundstrom; Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net > > Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] That flaming fireball in the sky... > > > > > > ignore the noise, focus on the work > > > > marcf > > > > PS: I agree with your analysis, the "J2EE certified" brand is weaker for > > every download we have and we are not certified. Having the most > > downloaded > > server not certified takes a lot of credibility out of the brand. I was > > reading the forum this was posted on and found interesting to hear that > > people say JBoss has become a "defacto-standard" of sorts. I believe that > > statement to be true at least for the development. Look at the download > > numbers we have >50k month weblogic has 3k for their free > > version. For the > > production I am waiting for a report that takes into account > > "free" and "for > > pay" and counts "CPUs" installed, I wouldn't be surprised the > > "Apache" story > > would repeat itself. > > > > But for now focus on the download numbers. The rest is noise. Noise, bla > > bla bla. > > > > > > |-Original Message- > > |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dain > > |Sundstrom > > |Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 7:01 PM > > |To: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net > > |Subject: [JBoss-dev] That flaming fireball in the sky... > > | > > | > > |I found this on the apache web site. I interpret this statement slightly > > |different the Jakarta guys. To me it looks like the J2EE licensees are > > |getting nervous about the high quality of the open source J2EE > > |implementations (i.e., JBoss), and feel the only way to distinguish them > > |selves in the marketplace is with some lame certification. > > | > > |- > > |30 January 2002 - That flaming fireball in the sky... > > | > > |In a recent article, Karen Tegan, Director of J2EE Compatibility and > > |Platform Services for Sun Microsystems, had the following to say: > > | > > |"The J2EE Compatible brand has achieved significant momentum > > over the past > > |two years, and we want to make sure that any open source efforts don't > > |impact the viability of that effort." > > | > > |In other words, Sun doesn't give a hoot about whether J2EE licensing > > |restricts open source J2EE products (in case you missed it, it > > does). Thus, > > |the Apache Software Foundation's involvement in the Java > > Community Process > > |(JCP) is simply an advertising statement for Sun to claim that > > they have a > > |'vision which uses open standards and non-proprietary interfaces'. If you > > |would like to express your opinions of Sun's licensing terms, > > feel free to > > |contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] and let us know what you think. Thanks. > > | > > |Followup thread on Jakarta-General: J2EE con
RE: [JBoss-dev] That flaming fireball in the sky...
Here's the full quote. What the hell is WORA? Marinescu: What is Sun's point of view in the debate over whether J2EE licensing restricts open source J2EE products? Shannon: Sun participates in open source because it helps spark innovation, improve software quality, and fosters community. The source code for the J2EE reference implementation is made available publicly as part of the Sun Community Source Licensing program. Sun supports open source developers because their efforts are consistent with Sun's own computing vision which uses open standards and non-proprietary interfaces. Sun's goal is to make our software as open as possible while ensuring portability and WORA. Tegan: At the same time, having a strong brand and compatibility standards are important to the development of a robust market for J2EE platform products, tools, and components. The J2EE Compatible brand has achieved significant momentum over the past two years, and we want to make sure that any open source efforts don't impact the viability of that effort. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of marc > fleury > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 2:16 AM > To: Dain Sundstrom; Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net > Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] That flaming fireball in the sky... > > > ignore the noise, focus on the work > > marcf > > PS: I agree with your analysis, the "J2EE certified" brand is weaker for > every download we have and we are not certified. Having the most > downloaded > server not certified takes a lot of credibility out of the brand. I was > reading the forum this was posted on and found interesting to hear that > people say JBoss has become a "defacto-standard" of sorts. I believe that > statement to be true at least for the development. Look at the download > numbers we have >50k month weblogic has 3k for their free > version. For the > production I am waiting for a report that takes into account > "free" and "for > pay" and counts "CPUs" installed, I wouldn't be surprised the > "Apache" story > would repeat itself. > > But for now focus on the download numbers. The rest is noise. Noise, bla > bla bla. > > > |-Original Message- > |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dain > |Sundstrom > |Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 7:01 PM > |To: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net > |Subject: [JBoss-dev] That flaming fireball in the sky... > | > | > |I found this on the apache web site. I interpret this statement slightly > |different the Jakarta guys. To me it looks like the J2EE licensees are > |getting nervous about the high quality of the open source J2EE > |implementations (i.e., JBoss), and feel the only way to distinguish them > |selves in the marketplace is with some lame certification. > | > |- > |30 January 2002 - That flaming fireball in the sky... > | > |In a recent article, Karen Tegan, Director of J2EE Compatibility and > |Platform Services for Sun Microsystems, had the following to say: > | > |"The J2EE Compatible brand has achieved significant momentum > over the past > |two years, and we want to make sure that any open source efforts don't > |impact the viability of that effort." > | > |In other words, Sun doesn't give a hoot about whether J2EE licensing > |restricts open source J2EE products (in case you missed it, it > does). Thus, > |the Apache Software Foundation's involvement in the Java > Community Process > |(JCP) is simply an advertising statement for Sun to claim that > they have a > |'vision which uses open standards and non-proprietary interfaces'. If you > |would like to express your opinions of Sun's licensing terms, > feel free to > |contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] and let us know what you think. Thanks. > | > |Followup thread on Jakarta-General: J2EE considered harmful. > | > |___ > |Jboss-development mailing list > |[EMAIL PROTECTED] > |https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development > > > > ___ > Jboss-development mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
RE: [JBoss-dev] That flaming fireball in the sky...
ignore the noise, focus on the work marcf PS: I agree with your analysis, the "J2EE certified" brand is weaker for every download we have and we are not certified. Having the most downloaded server not certified takes a lot of credibility out of the brand. I was reading the forum this was posted on and found interesting to hear that people say JBoss has become a "defacto-standard" of sorts. I believe that statement to be true at least for the development. Look at the download numbers we have >50k month weblogic has 3k for their free version. For the production I am waiting for a report that takes into account "free" and "for pay" and counts "CPUs" installed, I wouldn't be surprised the "Apache" story would repeat itself. But for now focus on the download numbers. The rest is noise. Noise, bla bla bla. |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dain |Sundstrom |Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 7:01 PM |To: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net |Subject: [JBoss-dev] That flaming fireball in the sky... | | |I found this on the apache web site. I interpret this statement slightly |different the Jakarta guys. To me it looks like the J2EE licensees are |getting nervous about the high quality of the open source J2EE |implementations (i.e., JBoss), and feel the only way to distinguish them |selves in the marketplace is with some lame certification. | |- |30 January 2002 - That flaming fireball in the sky... | |In a recent article, Karen Tegan, Director of J2EE Compatibility and |Platform Services for Sun Microsystems, had the following to say: | |"The J2EE Compatible brand has achieved significant momentum over the past |two years, and we want to make sure that any open source efforts don't |impact the viability of that effort." | |In other words, Sun doesn't give a hoot about whether J2EE licensing |restricts open source J2EE products (in case you missed it, it does). Thus, |the Apache Software Foundation's involvement in the Java Community Process |(JCP) is simply an advertising statement for Sun to claim that they have a |'vision which uses open standards and non-proprietary interfaces'. If you |would like to express your opinions of Sun's licensing terms, feel free to |contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] and let us know what you think. Thanks. | |Followup thread on Jakarta-General: J2EE considered harmful. | |___ |Jboss-development mailing list |[EMAIL PROTECTED] |https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
