Re: [JBoss-dev] What the point?
> I read the description on your web site, and get very > excited about the product. But when I try and use the > JBoss 3.0 alpha, I am wondering why you not spend any > time on the web container? J2EE container without a > servlet engine is like a book without writing. > > Also, you guy seem to reinvent entire product every > version. Every version is big description about how > powerful and wonderful this is. Then next version, > all > that thrown out and you rewrite every thing. who is this buffon? what is the point of "what the point" __ View this jboss-dev thread in the online forums: http://jboss.org/forums/thread.jsp?forum=66&thread=6351 ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
RE: [JBoss-dev] What the Point?
Flame war... > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >I pity you if you think you will ever have a popular > >product where user must submit bug using your bug > >tracking tool. The fact that you have not seen any of > >the repeated questions about jboss bug on user forum > >show that none of you ever read them. It is a bunch of > >frustrated user speaking to an empty room while a > >bunch of academic are off playing with Java. Our bug tracking tool? You mean SourceForge? Maybe you also don't like Bugzilla. Such a non-profesional attitude. So go on and pity us. Do you know what in Slashdot is called a troll? Someone that sends a poorly-documented mail that is not going to be liked in the forum only to get flame responses and call mum and dad attention. Your last mails are full of half truths and plain (how does MF call them?) "mental diarreah". Most of them are already asked on this list and on the same forums that you seem not to like. One thing I would like to point: the forums work nice, at least for me. I have posted there often, and half the times have obtained a suitable solution, and learned things I didn't know. 100% better than professional advice from Netscape and IBM. The point is, half the posts in the forums are from people too lazy to look for a solution themselves or on the forum archives. I have seen (and answered) the same question three times in three correlative weeks. Why does someone in world need Servlet 2.3 spec compliant right *now*? What are you trying to do with Tomcat that cannot be addressed with Jetty? You can find lots of references on the forums about this issue, so you should know that Tomcat support is not addressed yet. Being fair, _why the hell_ are you asking for a complete alpha product? (2.4 a dead product. That was a very good one) It seems like you are not happy with reengineering of code. It's something that comes along with Extreme Programming, programming with little or no analysis. BEA doesn't use XP. Most professional companies doesn't address refactoring huge amounts of code, and I suppose that explains the Websphere QoS. It takes some guts to do what Marc did this last weeks. Sorry for lowering the S/N ratio. I'm just ignoring this thread from now on. Happy New Year To All :) ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] What the Point?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I pity you if you think you will ever have a popular >product where user must submit bug using your bug >tracking tool. The fact that you have not seen any of >the repeated questions about jboss bug on user forum >show that none of you ever read them. It is a bunch of >frustrated user speaking to an empty room while a >bunch of academic are off playing with Java. > > Hmmm I have to disagree here. I have had many responses in the forum when I have problems. I also have answered many. All I have seen from you is complaining and bitching in a development list, and little else. Some at least, perhaps most, seem to be based upon knowledge gained a couple months ago. Im not sure what projects you have worked on but every project I have ever worked on required someone to submit a bug report before a bug was addressed. The developers asking you to post a bug on the bug tracking tool, seems to me to not be silly, but a professional attitude which would allow the bug to be tracked. Of course if the responsiveness is not to your liking there is always the idea of... fix it yourself and upload a patch. Al ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
RE: [JBoss-dev] What the Point?
Fuck you. Why don't you go get $10,000, buy Weblogic, and never post on this list again? -dain > -Original Message- > From: John Woo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 7:26 PM > To: Scott M Stark; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] What the Point? > > > > don't see any bugreport > > from you on sourceforge so why should it be fixed? > > The user forums are > > not for reporting bugs. > > I pity you if you think you will ever have a popular > product where user must submit bug using your bug > tracking tool. The fact that you have not seen any of > the repeated questions about jboss bug on user forum > show that none of you ever read them. It is a bunch of > frustrated user speaking to an empty room while a > bunch of academic are off playing with Java. > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > ___ > Jboss-development mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development > ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] What the Point?
on 1-12-29 02.26, John Woo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > It is a bunch of > frustrated user speaking to an empty room while a > bunch of academic are off playing with Java. yes ... perchanche ... so what are U doing here ? ... heh "If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" -Einstein ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] What the Point?
> don't see any bugreport > from you on sourceforge so why should it be fixed? > The user forums are > not for reporting bugs. I pity you if you think you will ever have a popular product where user must submit bug using your bug tracking tool. The fact that you have not seen any of the repeated questions about jboss bug on user forum show that none of you ever read them. It is a bunch of frustrated user speaking to an empty room while a bunch of academic are off playing with Java. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] What the Point?
That's bull. I'm preparing the final 2.4.4 release right now that incorporates many bug fixes and updated support for Catalina. I don't see any bugreport from you on sourceforge so why should it be fixed? The user forums are not for reporting bugs. > > > Use 2.4 > > 2.4 is not supported. No one answer any question about > 2.4 on user forums. It dead product with bug that > never be fixed. > > ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] What the point?
on 1-12-28 23.30, John Woo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I read the description on your web site, and get very > excited about the product. MetavValue ! ... > But when I try and use the > JBoss 3.0 alpha, I am wondering why you not spend any > time on the web container? J2EE container without a > servlet engine is like a book without writing. Yes - I hear You ! ... what U say ! ... is true and false ... > Also, you guy seem to reinvent entire product every > version. Every version is big description about how > powerful and wonderful this is. Then next version, all > that thrown out and you rewrite every thing. Now you > have code that work differently than every thing in > the documentation. Hmmm ... there is some really deeeppp. knowledge trailing here - and it actually stretch Java some ... for U ... > To end user, this thing seem like a thesis project and > not code that can host a real web site. Maybe if you > spend time talking to possible users and writing > documentation and less time bragging about yourselves > on your web site and writing academic code your > project would get more attention from real users. Writing - yes ... -- I am sorry this epost is so long ... I did not have the time, to write a short one ... For *me* some of the rewrite is pure ***aha*** ... and in currency that would translates to **(censored)** ... Keep it coming !!! ... /peter_f hint : concentrate on the beauty and the FUD will disappear ... ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
RE: [JBoss-dev] What the point?
This is the wrong place for this discussion. Please use the online forums. http://www.jboss.org/forums/ The reason so much changes every release is because Sun does a major rewrite of our core specs every couple of months, so go bitch at Sun. -dain > -Original Message- > From: John Woo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 4:30 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [JBoss-dev] What the point? > > > I read the description on your web site, and get very > excited about the product. But when I try and use the > JBoss 3.0 alpha, I am wondering why you not spend any > time on the web container? J2EE container without a > servlet engine is like a book without writing. > > Also, you guy seem to reinvent entire product every > version. Every version is big description about how > powerful and wonderful this is. Then next version, all > that thrown out and you rewrite every thing. Now you > have code that work differently than every thing in > the documentation. > > To end user, this thing seem like a thesis project and > not code that can host a real web site. Maybe if you > spend time talking to possible users and writing > documentation and less time bragging about yourselves > on your web site and writing academic code your > project would get more attention from real users. > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > ___ > Jboss-development mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development > ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
RE: [JBoss-dev] What the point?
John, JBoss isn't a thesis project. I've used it in production at 2 sites now. Go to the testimonial page to get others who have successfully deployed JBoss. JBoss is integrated with 2 different web containers. Jetty and Tomcat. The relationship between the Jetty folks and JBoss is growing. Bill > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John > Woo > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 5:30 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [JBoss-dev] What the point? > > > I read the description on your web site, and get very > excited about the product. But when I try and use the > JBoss 3.0 alpha, I am wondering why you not spend any > time on the web container? J2EE container without a > servlet engine is like a book without writing. > > Also, you guy seem to reinvent entire product every > version. Every version is big description about how > powerful and wonderful this is. Then next version, all > that thrown out and you rewrite every thing. Now you > have code that work differently than every thing in > the documentation. > > To end user, this thing seem like a thesis project and > not code that can host a real web site. Maybe if you > spend time talking to possible users and writing > documentation and less time bragging about yourselves > on your web site and writing academic code your > project would get more attention from real users. > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > ___ > Jboss-development mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development > ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] What the point?
Complaining about an alpha release isn't going to change anything. If you want a usable product with bundles servlet containers look at the 2.4.3 release or 2.4.4 beta. Scott Stark Chief Technology Officer JBoss Group, LLC - Original Message - From: "John Woo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 2:30 PM Subject: [JBoss-dev] What the point? > I read the description on your web site, and get very > excited about the product. But when I try and use the > JBoss 3.0 alpha, I am wondering why you not spend any > time on the web container? J2EE container without a > servlet engine is like a book without writing. > > Also, you guy seem to reinvent entire product every > version. Every version is big description about how > powerful and wonderful this is. Then next version, all > that thrown out and you rewrite every thing. Now you > have code that work differently than every thing in > the documentation. > > To end user, this thing seem like a thesis project and > not code that can host a real web site. Maybe if you > spend time talking to possible users and writing > documentation and less time bragging about yourselves > on your web site and writing academic code your > project would get more attention from real users. > ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] What the point?
I'm sure you're about to get flamed out of existence but I'll add my $0.02. Regarding the Web container, Jboss3 already has Jetty support so I don't really know what you are talking about. I would assume that when the final release comes out there will be Tomcat integration as well... The Jetty integration works very well, even in this alpha state. Hell, we've got a live site using it now! As far as rewriting the container, I think what you'll hear from the main developers is that while there are some significant changes, most of the code in JBoss3 is the same as in Jboss2. So again, what are you talking about? Since I don't think you're actually comparing source trees, and from the Web container comment it doesn't seem like you've actually tried the product, what are you trying to prove? Jboss can run Web sites (and tons of other apps). It does. Your argument is not well researched and not grounded in reality. Prepare for the flames. Hunter > From: John Woo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 14:30:01 -0800 (PST) > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [JBoss-dev] What the point? > > I read the description on your web site, and get very > excited about the product. But when I try and use the > JBoss 3.0 alpha, I am wondering why you not spend any > time on the web container? J2EE container without a > servlet engine is like a book without writing. > > Also, you guy seem to reinvent entire product every > version. Every version is big description about how > powerful and wonderful this is. Then next version, all > that thrown out and you rewrite every thing. Now you > have code that work differently than every thing in > the documentation. > > To end user, this thing seem like a thesis project and > not code that can host a real web site. Maybe if you > spend time talking to possible users and writing > documentation and less time bragging about yourselves > on your web site and writing academic code your > project would get more attention from real users. ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
