[jboss-user] [JBoss Seam] - Re: When would SEAM 2.0.0 GA and SEAM 2.0.1 GA be released a

2007-09-19 Thread goku2
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Yes, if everybody would work a little more, for 
free of course, the world would be a better place. 
jaja Great quote!
You guys are doing a great job! 
Keep the good work! 

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Seam] - Re: When would SEAM 2.0.0 GA and SEAM 2.0.1 GA be released a

2007-09-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
anonymous wrote : I think I would be less willing to put my vote in for 
Seam-specific support after watching the 1.3.0 Alpha disappear - just too much 
volatility in how it evolves.

EOD for me. Take your threats somewhere else.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Seam] - Re: When would SEAM 2.0.0 GA and SEAM 2.0.1 GA be released a

2007-09-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
As Ronald says.  (N.B. there is no 4.1 series of JBoss AS).  You can run Seam2 
on AS 4.0.5.GA (with JEMS installer) but it will require modification of AS 
libraries.

CR1 should be major feature/refactoring complete (most new features between the 
2 are extensions of existing stuff or internal impl). Much of 2.0.0.GA will be 
docs/fixes related.

I would suggest Seam2 for production in late October - probably still a CR at 
that point though.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Seam] - Re: When would SEAM 2.0.0 GA and SEAM 2.0.1 GA be released a

2007-09-11 Thread IGx89
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : 2.0.0.CR1 will be released in the next week or two 
(5 bugs to close).  2.0.0.GA is currently has no release date (watch JIRA's 
roadmap)

JIRA's roadmap says 06/Aug/07 for 2.0.0.GA...?

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Seam] - Re: When would SEAM 2.0.0 GA and SEAM 2.0.1 GA be released a

2007-09-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pete, please remove every date from the JIRA road maps. This is a bad practice 
for an open source project. Obviously release dates depend on contributions. 

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Seam] - Re: When would SEAM 2.0.0 GA and SEAM 2.0.1 GA be released a

2007-09-11 Thread supernovasoftware.com
I do like the release dates, but the never seem to be updated.  If the open 
issues were evaluated and an estimate was made, this would help out some of us 
on the bleeding edge that are planning a production release of a product based 
of Seam 2.0  on or before GA.

I was also under the assumption that most of the work that affected the release 
date was being done by JBoss employees with some contributions from users 
mainly in the form of testing and an occasional patch.





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[jboss-user] [JBoss Seam] - Re: When would SEAM 2.0.0 GA and SEAM 2.0.1 GA be released a

2007-09-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yes, if everybody would work a little more, for free of course, the world would 
be a better place. 

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Seam] - Re: When would SEAM 2.0.0 GA and SEAM 2.0.1 GA be released a

2007-09-11 Thread bsmithjj
I've asked this before...

Will there be a release of Seam 1.3.0 which appeared as an alpha earlier this 
year?

In particular, I was hoping to get fixes for this 
http://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBSEAM-967

If my memory is correct, Gavin responded that he has changed the Seam code too 
much for the 2.0 release in order to continue on with a 1.3 release path.  That 
doesn't make too much sense with source-control tagging. Given also that Seam 
2.0 is focussed on being supported with JBoss AS 4.2 (yes it works on 4.0.5 
with AS changes supposedly), I'm concerned that those of us on the Seam 1.1, 
1.2 path are dead ended already.  It's not necessarily straight forward to just 
force several teams of developers to upgrade their version of Seam, and also 
their version of JBoss AS in order to obtain bug fixes.

So... what's the final word on Seam 1.X releases ? no more?  if so, that's a 
bit frustrating.  We'll eventually get to Seam 2.0 and Jboss 4.2, but in the 
meantime, we'll be trying to develop and maintain existing Seam 1.1- and 
1.2-based applications.

Thanks,
Brad Smith

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Seam] - Re: When would SEAM 2.0.0 GA and SEAM 2.0.1 GA be released a

2007-09-11 Thread ajay.gupta
Pete and Chris, 

I really appreciate your time and effort in taking time to answer these 
questions. I have got answers to all the questions I had to my satisfaction.

I must thank everyone on the JBoss SEAM team for their hard work, support in 
developing and maintaining SEAM.

Thanks





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[jboss-user] [JBoss Seam] - Re: When would SEAM 2.0.0 GA and SEAM 2.0.1 GA be released a

2007-09-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There will be no Seam 1.3 release. That branch is now Seam 2.0. If you want to 
have a Seam 1.3, go back to the date we made the announcement of the renaming 
and get a CVS snapshot of that trunk. Then change the version number to 1.3 
and compile.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Seam] - Re: When would SEAM 2.0.0 GA and SEAM 2.0.1 GA be released a

2007-09-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
anonymous wrote :  It's not necessarily straight forward to just force several 
teams of developers to upgrade their version of Seam, and also their version of 
JBoss AS in order to obtain bug fixes. 

Well, here you actually have a much easier option: Seam 1.2.1 is part of the 
JBoss Enterprise Application Platform, for which you can buy support/bugfixing 
services for a few years from Red Hat. Or, because it is open source, you can 
fix it yourself or pay someone else to fix whatever you don't like.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Seam] - Re: When would SEAM 2.0.0 GA and SEAM 2.0.1 GA be released a

2007-09-11 Thread bsmithjj
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : anonymous wrote :  It's not necessarily straight 
forward to just force several teams of developers to upgrade their version of 
Seam, and also their version of JBoss AS in order to obtain bug fixes. 
  | 
  | Well, here you actually have a much easier option: Seam 1.2.1 is part of 
the JBoss Enterprise Application Platform, for which you can buy 
support/bugfixing services for a few years from Red Hat. Or, because it is open 
source, you can fix it yourself or pay someone else to fix whatever you don't 
like.

This comment suggests you think I want something for free...
 
We like the Seam framework a lot but we don't want to be in the business of 
maintaining frameworks.  We are, however, paying customers of JBoss (now Red 
Hat) - we even sent a good number of people to JBoss world for 2 years in a row 
(no JBoss world this past summer :-( ) - so from my perspective, we're doing 
our part to be payed customers - we're not looking for a free ride.  I think I 
would be less willing to put my vote in for Seam-specific support after 
watching the 1.3.0 Alpha disappear - just too much volatility in how it evolves.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Seam] - Re: When would SEAM 2.0.0 GA and SEAM 2.0.1 GA be released a

2007-09-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For the record:

1.3ALPHA1 was targeted at AS 4.2 and included JBoss EL.  1.3.0.BETA1 was 
*renamed* to 2.0.BETA due to the substantial refactoring (even if we had 
released a 1.3.BETA/GA it would have included these refactorings, but the name 
change reinforces this).

You would be much much better off pushing for a 1.2.2 maintainance release that 
contained selected backports of fixes from trunk to the 1.2 series.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Seam] - Re: When would SEAM 2.0.0 GA and SEAM 2.0.1 GA be released a

2007-09-11 Thread epbernard
bsmithjj wrote : We like the Seam framework a lot but we don't want to be in 
the business of maintaining frameworks.  We are, however, paying customers of 
JBoss (now Red Hat) - we even sent a good number of people to JBoss world for 2 
years in a row (no JBoss world this past summer :-( ) - so from my perspective, 
we're doing our part to be payed customers - we're not looking for a free ride. 
 I think I would be less willing to put my vote in for Seam-specific support 
after watching the 1.3.0 Alpha disappear - just too much volatility in how it 
evolves.

We understand that. What Christian was trying to say is basically that, you can 
be assured to have a supported version of Seam 1.2 for X years (I think it's 
the typical 3+2, but it needs to be checked) as part of the JBoss Enterprise 
Application Platform.
As a project team however we still have to group our task force where we think 
it will be most valuable for our customers and users as a whole. With that in 
mind and because of the support for Seam 1.2 in JEAP, we decided to rebrand 1.3 
to 2.0 and make compatibility changes for a better future. Looking at the 
feature set of Seam 2, I think there is no need to regret Seam 1.3.

cheers

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Seam] - Re: When would SEAM 2.0.0 GA and SEAM 2.0.1 GA be released a

2007-09-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ajay.gupta wrote : Q:1. When is SEAM 2.0.0 GA or 2.0.1 GA scheduled to be 
released and made available?

2.0.0.CR1 will be released in the next week or two (5 bugs to close).  2.0.0.GA 
is currently has no release date (watch JIRA's roadmap)

anonymous wrote : Q2: Which JBoss AS GA versions would SEAM 2.0.0 GA or SEAM 
2.0.1 GA be supported on?

4.2 series (i.e. any releases, current 4.2.0.GA and 4.2.1.GA).  I think we will 
be working on 5.0.0.BETA compatibility between CR1 and 2.0.0.GA.

But if by support you mean Red Hat subscription based support, you'll need to 
speak to Sales/support to find out what the support matrix is.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Seam] - Re: When would SEAM 2.0.0 GA and SEAM 2.0.1 GA be released a

2007-09-10 Thread ajay.gupta
Thanks for the info.  Let me understand this right.   What you are saying is:

There is not a release date yet for 2.0.0 GA or 2.0.1 GA of SEAM.  When they 
come out, they will be supported on all 4.0.x, 4.1.x, 4.2.x GA versions of 
JBoss. 

Now, some more questions:
1. Which versions of JBoss AS is SEAM 2.0.0 CR1 supported on?
2. What is the delta between 2.0.0 CR1 and 2.0.0 GA? Is it just bug fixes or 
there are some additional features that I am getting?
3. What is the delta between 2.0.0 GA and 2.0.1 GA?

Which version of SEAM and JBoss would you recommend me going in Production with 
if I have to deliver by Oct end?

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Seam] - Re: When would SEAM 2.0.0 GA and SEAM 2.0.1 GA be released a

2007-09-10 Thread kukeltje
no... not 4.0.x and not 4.1.x I think Pete was clear on that.

1: With some difficult and complex deduction I think 2.0.0.CR1 is supported on 
4.2 series
2: Watch the roadmap in Jira
3: Watch the roadmap in Jira

Personally I've used a nightly version of 2.0.0 on JBoss AS  4.2.0 If it does 
what you need, It's fine (my motto)

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