[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: Choosing JBPM?
Sorry, I've got a mistake, i've quickly posted the last question and I got confused... I wanted to know if is it possible to invoke external web services from the jPDL, not from BPEL... I've used the getting started with jbpm and I designed a little process as found in there. So I have some task, but I cannot understand how can I invoke external web services from. Sorry for my mistake... ;) tx, Dario View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=4023530#4023530 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=4023530 ___ jboss-user mailing list jboss-user@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-user
[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: Choosing JBPM?
Dario, I hope you've seen the abbreviation STFF a few times in this forum this question has been asked and answered over a thousand times View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=4023641#4023641 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=4023641 ___ jboss-user mailing list jboss-user@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-user
[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: Choosing JBPM?
Dario, To the best of my knowledge, there's no support for web services in JBPM proper. Ronald, Have you ever actually tried to search for this? Finding a message that isn't about BPEL is difficult. I suspect that the search engine may not be doing NOT correctly - at least, I couldn't get it to work right. For example, searching for the query jbpm and Web and not BPEL or jbpm and Web not BPEL got great hits like ebony porn video, free gay sex movie. I know things are a little looser in the Netherlands, but ... ;-) -Ed Staub View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=4023663#4023663 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=4023663 ___ jboss-user mailing list jboss-user@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-user
[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: Choosing JBPM?
Ed... Uhmm yes and no, Never used the word 'not' in the forum search. I often use google. could be that the keyword not is not working. That would be a shame. Still... people should at least try to search this fine forum, and if nothing comes up, post a question and MENTION they did not find anything. Oh, and btw, yes, things are a bit looser in the Netherlands. Funny, everywhere I come in the Caribbean, especially Jamaica, they do not understand that I do not smoke pot (heck I don't even smoke at all) and never go go a prostitute (even though I'm not married and no girlfriend at the moment) Regarding the search functionality, I'll urge the jboss people to hurry with the new forums since we have problems using them in the way they are. Thanks for telling me this. View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=4023703#4023703 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=4023703 ___ jboss-user mailing list jboss-user@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-user
[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: Choosing JBPM?
Is it possible to invoke external web services from the BPEL in jBPM? tx, Dario View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=4023134#4023134 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=4023134 ___ jboss-user mailing list jboss-user@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-user
[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: Choosing JBPM?
Yes you can invoke external webservices. That is what BPEL is used for ...for service orchestration. Alex, Thanks for pointing out that console doesn't have support for BPEL yet which I kind of knew from my investigation that I did 2-3 months ago. While reading this thread I got the impression otherwise. View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=4023211#4023211 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=4023211 ___ jboss-user mailing list jboss-user@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-user
[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: Choosing JBPM?
meghanai_99 wrote : | Where do I get the console subproject? | Me too i'm interested in this question, but I didn't understand the answer of kukeltje. And what is the web console? I'm searching for it but i've not found it. Is it a plug in, something to download and install, or is it something of different? Thanks, Dario View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=4022476#4022476 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=4022476 ___ jboss-user mailing list jboss-user@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-user
[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: Choosing JBPM?
Sorry, to prevent getting flamed, I'm not going to answer this anyone? View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=4022489#4022489 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=4022489 ___ jboss-user mailing list jboss-user@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-user
[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: Choosing JBPM?
Yes, i've checked the wiki, I've followed all the steps. But I didn't understand what is the web console? Is it the web page where I can arrive with the link monitoring? And also... is it possible to modify the web pages and above all the scenarios which I have after deploying the process archive? I'm interested in taking the bpel scenario and modify it a little bit (by adding some information about the process...) Thanks, Dario View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=4022531#4022531 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=4022531 ___ jboss-user mailing list jboss-user@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-user
[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: Choosing JBPM?
I apologize for my ignorance but what is STFF which is currently in 3.2? I tried searching the JBoss site and it found me couple of forum threads where STFF is mentioned, nothing more. Thank you, Meghana View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=4022565#4022565 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=4022565 ___ jboss-user mailing list jboss-user@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-user
[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: Choosing JBPM?
Hello estaub, The wiki talks about installation when you have downloaded JBPM starter's kit. In my case I have downloaded JBoss 4.0.5GA and JBPM-BPEL extension 1.1 beta3. Like I said I have installed couple of BPEL processes already so the setup is right. The JBPM engine is already on JBoss. When I try to access http://localhost:8080/jbpm I get following exception. javax.faces.FacesException: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.jbpm.web.JbpmThreadsServlet org.apache.myfaces.util.ClassUtils.simpleClassForName(ClassUtils.java:162) org.apache.myfaces.webapp.webxml.WebXml.getFacesServletMappings(WebXml.java:89) org.apache.myfaces.application.jsp.JspViewHandlerImpl.getServletMapping(JspViewHandlerImpl.java:347) org.apache.myfaces.application.jsp.JspViewHandlerImpl.renderView(JspViewHandlerImpl.java:199) org.apache.myfaces.lifecycle.LifecycleImpl.render(LifecycleImpl.java:300) javax.faces.webapp.FacesServlet.service(FacesServlet.java:95) So looks like I missing some jar? Could you please point out how can I get this web context working? Thank you, Meghana View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=4022568#4022568 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=4022568 ___ jboss-user mailing list jboss-user@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-user
[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: Choosing JBPM?
That class is in the main jbpm jar in jbpm-3.1.2.jar, as distributed. I don't know how you'd be missing it. Maybe you've got multiple versions of jbpm*.jar in your classpath, and one of them doesn't use that class? -Ed Staub View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=4022637#4022637 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=4022637 ___ jboss-user mailing list jboss-user@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-user
[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: Choosing JBPM?
When I looked up STFF on http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/STFF Acronym Definition | STFF Search The/This Freaking Forum (polite form) | STFF Safeguard Tactical Field Force | STFF South Texas Funding Forum | STFF Superficial Temporal Fascial Flap I'm not sure ;-), but I suspect that the first definition is the one Ronald had in mind. -Ed Staub View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=4022648#4022648 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=4022648 ___ jboss-user mailing list jboss-user@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-user
[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: Choosing JBPM?
Yes I copied that jar already but get different exception now.
I did not have that jar already installed on my JBoss since I had installed
both JBoss and Jbpm-BPEL extension separately. I downloaded JBPM core 3.1.4 now
and copied that jar file to my lib folder in JBoss. Now I get this exception -
javax.servlet.ServletException: Cannot get value for expression
'#{userBean.userSelectItems}'
javax.faces.webapp.FacesServlet.service(FacesServlet.java:109)
org.apache.jasper.runtime.PageContextImpl.doForward(PageContextImpl.java:688)
org.apache.jasper.runtime.PageContextImpl.forward(PageContextImpl.java:658)
Looks like the tables are not created in the database.
Anyway I will play around it some more.
About STFF --- that was funny; I choose not to get offended by it. Though for
a developer who has to complete the investigation in couple of weeks, find out
the best BPEL engine which will statisfy the company's most of the
requirements, it can become really frustrating with little documentation that
we get. The difference is JBPM developers [for that matter developer on any
given product] 'live' JBPM day in and out and we don't. We are trying to get
there in very short period of time.
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[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: Choosing JBPM?
The console is a module of the jBPM jPDL installation. jBPM BPEL 1.1.Beta3 builds on jBPM 3.2.Beta1, so that is the distribution you are looking for. Please visit the sourceforge file releases. Once you unzip the distribution, go to jbpm-jpdl-3.2.Beta1/deploy and you will find the console there. Currently, the console offers monitoring features for jPDL only. I am starting a discussion in the design forum about BPEL support. If you'd like, follow the discussion there. anonymous wrote : for a developer who has to complete the investigation in couple of weeks, find out the best BPEL engine which will satisfy the company's most of the requirements, it can become really frustrating with little documentation that we get. The difference is JBPM developers [for that matter developer on any given product] 'live' JBPM day in and out and we don't. We are trying to get there in very short period of time. For a developer who has to read specs, implement a product, test in as many environments as possible, write documentation, find meaningful examples, give support to customers and still manage to find time to answer questions in the forums, it is frustrating to have a 72-page manual called 'little' documentation. Agreed: it might not be enough. However, you might be surprised at how poorly documented are some of the jBPM BPEL dependencies, despite their technical merit. Instead of bashing the creators, I appreciate their effort, dive into their code to avoid bothering them with trivial issues and contribute improvements whenever I can. Free open source not only means free to download but also free to review and free to improve. View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=4022712#4022712 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=4022712 ___ jboss-user mailing list jboss-user@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-user
[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: Choosing JBPM?
STFF, it is in 3.2, currently in beta View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=4021577#4021577 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=4021577 ___ jboss-user mailing list jboss-user@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-user
[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: Choosing JBPM?
Where do I get the console subproject? I have couple of BPEL processes running on JBPM now and would like to see them at runtime as I am sending requests. I am not expecting graphical UI. Just variables values is fine. Thank you, Meghana View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=4021396#4021396 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=4021396 ___ jboss-user mailing list jboss-user@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-user
[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: Choosing JBPM?
So if I understand correctly, there's no such API that would help me to access the runtime evolution of a bpel scenario. One solution you're proposing is to look into the bpel process log file or DB, which does not seem very convenient ... I thought there would be some facilities provided to access the bpel engine at runtime and thus get 'live' information on a running bpel process and use it to refresh a web interface. Is that correct? Thanx in advance, --dario View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=4019798#4019798 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=4019798 ___ jboss-user mailing list jboss-user@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-user
[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: Choosing JBPM?
Depends on what your definition of running is a running jpdl/bpel process can be in a state of doing nothing. Waiting for external input. Should that be kept in memory? Would be a nice requirement although it would highly conflict with one of the other requirements: high volume of running processes. And yes there is an api, but that goes into the db (as per the above requirement). Besides that, how often are you going to refresh the page... once every minute? maybe even less, how complex would this page be? What you are actually describing is business activity monitoring with downdrilling to individual processes. So again... be very, very specific on what you want. There is a page on the wiki about BAM to as well as a jira issue. Read those help us by specifiing in more detail what you want. View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=4020027#4020027 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=4020027 ___ jboss-user mailing list jboss-user@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-user
[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: Choosing JBPM?
Ok... I'll try to explain better... I want a web page. In this web page I want to show a BPEL scenario. I want this BPEL scenario to be dynamic, it means I also want to represent the changes at run time. I think that, client side, the dynamism can be obtained by using ajax technology. The refresh can be every 10/15 seconds. If I use ajax technology I think that the complexity of the page won't make influence in the refresh, isn't it? In this scenario I want to represent the Business Process Tree, and, in some way, to represent the events that happen. Making an example, I want to see some information about every service of the business process (every state of the business process tree), such as a counter that tell me how many objects have passed this service, or how many objects there are in the queue... and things like this. If the bpel process is doing nothing it means that in my bpel scenario I won't see any change. I hope it's clear... Tx Dario View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=4020080#4020080 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=4020080 ___ jboss-user mailing list jboss-user@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-user
[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: Choosing JBPM?
define to monitor the processes in more detail. Look at 3.2 webconsole there are already some things in there. BPEL or JPDL depends on what you want to achieve. The console works for both View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=4016266#4016266 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=4016266 ___ jboss-user mailing list jboss-user@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-user
[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: Choosing JBPM?
I mean process monitoring as having a web interface (implemented with flash, or ajax, or others) where I can see, at run time, the evolution of objects each time that they receive a web service of my business process. This evolution might be represented by icons colors, or icons changes, or something like this... If it's not clear, that which I desire is to implement something like ILog jViews, and here you can see a demo: http://pardemo02.ilog.fr/wfthc/?CFID=7582251CFTOKEN=20943353 I want to implement something like this. Is it feasible? Thanks, Dario View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=4016272#4016272 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=4016272 ___ jboss-user mailing list jboss-user@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-user
[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: Choosing JBPM?
This is partly what I meant with define 'process monitoring The thing is that it can be looked at so broadly that not everything you want is in there. If with the evolution of objects yuou mean the processvariables etc then yes, that is in there The ILogs demo is an example of such broad functionalty that some more detail is needed View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=4016273#4016273 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=4016273 ___ jboss-user mailing list jboss-user@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-user
[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: Choosing JBPM?
Actually I'm just starting in using business processes, jbpm, and all this, and I'm exploring the solutions, so I'm sorry if I place stupid questions... :) Well, I try to explain better. Firstly, my objects are documents (application forms, motivation letters, CV, etc...) Imagine a document to have to be validated by somebody. The validation is made, in my system, by a web service. In my interface I want to see, e.g., the scenario of the web services, an icon (representing the service which has validated the document) which change color for a moment when the object document is validated, and some additional information (the name of the document, or the history of the services received in the scenario by the documents, etc...). My interface will be a web interface, I repeat, and I want to see all this in an animation in a web page (made using flash, jsp, applet, ajax, etc). I think that I can do it if you tell me that I can see (and use) the process variables, isn't it? Thanks, Dario View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=4016295#4016295 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=4016295 ___ jboss-user mailing list jboss-user@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-user
[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: Choosing JBPM?
So I have another question... Is it feasible to implement a system to monitor the processes with jBPM? Is it better using BPEL or jPDL? I have to do it in approximately 4,5 months. Thanks, Dario View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=4015666#4015666 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=4015666 ___ jboss-user mailing list jboss-user@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-user
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thank you! ;-) View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=4015069#4015069 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=4015069 ___ jboss-user mailing list jboss-user@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-user
[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: Choosing JBPM?
jBPM offers two different process languages. Any of them let you to orchestrate web services. BPEL is fully oriented to web services, but it does not let you directly incorporate user tasks or Java components. Conversely, jPDL lets you easily incorporate Java code and human intervention. Currently no special support exists for web services, but you can use existing Java APIs to consume and produce web services. Since both languages are implemented with the same building blocks, you can use a common API to manage and monitor processes in either language. The Console subproject provides you with JSF-based web interface to examine and manipulate process definitions, instances, task lists and more. View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=4013873#4013873 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=4013873 ___ jboss-user mailing list jboss-user@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-user
