[JBoss-user] [JBoss Portal] - Re: JBoss Portal vs. LifeRay and eXo

[jfelfouly]

"scrut" wrote : 5. I want that my own portlet can access his own database which 
is disjoint from the portal database (I want to manage my own data)
  | 

I do that in my portlets and it works well. In fact, it's even easier to have 
your own data apart.

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I certainly hope so, but I can't make any commitments at this time.

The nice thing is that portlets aren't tightly coupled to the portal release 
cycle (only to some degree), so they might not be ready for the 2.2 release, 
but you might get them before the end of the year. But as I said, no promises.


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[awmobjects]

Hi Martin -
Is there the possiblity of anything in the coming weeks?b4 the end of the 
year?

Thanks,
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[mholzner]

they will!
 It simply took us a lot longer than anticipated to free up some resources to 
port these portlets. We are actively working on this effort, so I hope we can 
publish some early versions not too far in the future. However, I want to 
caution people: We have bigger plans with our portlets, so we need to ensure a 
substantial set of functionalities in the framework. We're converting a set of 
5 portlets to start with so we can find the missing pieces in the current 
portal framework. Once the missing pieces are identified, we need to fix those 
areas first before we can move on and migrate the bigger bulk of portlets. 
Since our resources are just now coming up to speed, this process will take 
some time. 
I hate to put more promises out there, but that's all I can say for now. It 
will take longer, but you'll get better quality and much more functionality 
whenever it is ready. Once we have a template for the migration of our 
portlets, we'll open this up to a more agile model. Perhaps we can get some 
help migrating ? ;)

and just to mention some of the functionalities we're looking at ( don't take 
this as a guaranteed feature list though !): 
 * localization 
 * typed preferences
 * scripting support for portlets and preferences 
 * ajax (that one actually throughout the portal...)

So: no more promises, you'll simply have to wait until we're ready, but the 
good news is that we're working on it. 


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[awmobjects]

That's an honest answer...thanks and have a GREAT evening, morning...whatever 
your timezone.

Anthony

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I have no ETA.

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[awmobjects]

So are the Novell contributions (35 portlets) still going to materialize???

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We've decided to move ahead on the portlet community site without depending on 
Novell's portlet contributions. Something will be announced this week. Stay 
tuned.

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Hi,

anonymous wrote : That being said, Novell is bringing roughly 35 portlets to 
the LGPL table. ;-) 

where can I find them ?
on web search engines, I see only articles talking about it (in march 2005) ?

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[scrut]

Thanks

That was very helpful.

Looks like JBoss Portal can essentially do what I want. I will certainly 
consider using it for our project.

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[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

"scrut" wrote : I need a portal system that provides me, out of the box, with
  | - a Wiki
  | - a Forum
  | - a News System
  | - a Blog
  | 

I don't have an ETA right now on the XWiki portlet. I was migrating it over, 
but had to drop it for this release cycle. Forums we have. News, someone needs 
to port from Nukes. Blog we have... kind of... its an rss reader that read from 
blojsom.

"scrut" wrote : 
  | 1. That I can specify roles such as "Guest is allowed to read all content 
in Wiki, Forum, Blog and News but not the content in my own portlet" and "user 
is allowed to read the content in my own portlet and read/write in forum and 
wiki" and so on. I want to define that in a central spot so that it effects all 
portlets installed. 
  | 

Our current permissions scheme supports this.

"scrut" wrote : 
  | 2. Once a user is logged in, he can navigate in the whole portal and use it 
according to the rights and restrictions associated with his user account. 
(Single sign on)
  | 

Also can be done presently.

"scrut" wrote : 
  | 3. I want to create a portal page with login field and menu on the left and 
my portlet and the news portlet in the centre. From the menu, a user can 
navigate to Wiki and Message Boards. Depeding on the logged in user, the menu 
has to change (e.g. if I am logged in I probably want a function to edit the 
content in my own portlet which a normal user can't do). 
  | 

Our page system and theme api allows you to do this.

"scrut" wrote : 
  | 4. I don't want the user to be able to change the layout of the portal page 
(eg. I don't want the user to be able to close the news portlet so it 
disappears)
  | 

Currently, the user cannot. How your portlet reacts to user actions, is up to 
the portlet though.

"scrut" wrote : 
  | 5. I want that my own portlet can access his own database which is disjoint 
from the portal database (I want to manage my own data)
  | 

This is up to your portlet, I believe.

"scrut" wrote : 
  | 6. I want that my own portlet can access the filesystem to read and write 
files it has to manage. (No, I don't want to use a DB-BLOB)
  | 

Again, up to your portlet.

"scrut" wrote : 
  | 7. That I can use a template-like technology to change the design and 
look&feel for all components involved
  | 

I'm working on the theme api documentation, currently. the theme api is already 
in the RC release.

"scrut" wrote : 
  | I can wait for the "out of the box" portlets for a few weeks or months 
(e.g. if you say "we are working on providing a super Wiki portlet but that 
won't be done until July" it would be fine with me.)
  | 

I can't promise anything, but the super XWiki portlet may be finished by then 
as it is needed for the JEMS site.


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Re: [JBoss-user] [JBoss Portal] - Re: JBoss Portal vs. LifeRay and eXo

[Roy Russo]

javax.servlet.ServletException: org/apache/jsp/nodesk/index_jsp 
(Unsupported major.minor version 49.0)
You need JDK5 to run what we currently have out there. The distros are being 
rebuilt to work in JDK1.4 right now. I will post in the forums when they're 
up.

STAY METAL!
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From: "Jiri Chaloupka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
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Subject: Re: [JBoss-user] [JBoss Portal] - Re: JBoss Portal vs. LifeRay and 
eXo


Hi guys,
nice discussion, but one another view from outside. When I download 
liferay demo and run it, did works, jboss-portal did not...
(download and run jboss_portal_2.0_RC1-jboss_4.0.1sp1.zip, I want to got 
fast overview by simple running file bundle) 
<http://download.jboss.com/jbossportal/2.0RC/jboss_portal_2.0_RC1-jboss_4.0.1sp1.zip>
I got

javax.servlet.ServletException: org/apache/jsp/nodesk/index_jsp 
(Unsupported major.minor version 49.0)
org.jboss.portal.core.servlet.TransactionFilter.doFilter(TransactionFilter.java:86)
org.jboss.web.tomcat.filters.ReplyHeaderFilter.doFilter(ReplyHeaderFilter.java:75)

I tried to download componets separately, but do not works too.
Sorry for cavil, but that is ;-)
Jiri

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Re: [JBoss-user] [JBoss Portal] - Re: JBoss Portal vs. LifeRay and eXo

[Jiri Chaloupka]

Hi guys,
nice discussion, but one another view from outside. When I download 
liferay demo and run it, did works, jboss-portal did not...
(download and run jboss_portal_2.0_RC1-jboss_4.0.1sp1.zip, I want to got 
fast overview by simple running file bundle) 

I got

javax.servlet.ServletException: org/apache/jsp/nodesk/index_jsp (Unsupported 
major.minor version 49.0)

org.jboss.portal.core.servlet.TransactionFilter.doFilter(TransactionFilter.java:86)

org.jboss.web.tomcat.filters.ReplyHeaderFilter.doFilter(ReplyHeaderFilter.java:75)
I tried to download componets separately, but do not works too.
Sorry for cavil, but that is ;-)
Jiri

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[JBoss-user] [JBoss Portal] - Re: JBoss Portal vs. LifeRay and eXo

[scrut]

"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote : Most of the people I've dealt with don't find the 
freebie portlets useful at all. They do very little of the heavy lifting, and 
other OS portals seem to offer a bucket of google and toy portlets that I find 
quite useless, atm.

I agree with you on this one.

"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote : So why don't you articulate your needs, instead of 
asking broad and general questions?

I need a portal system that provides me, out of the box, with
- a Wiki
- a Forum
- a News System
- a Blog

I then want to write my own portlet and add it to this configuration.

The important things for me are:

1. That I can specify roles such as "Guest is allowed to read all content in 
Wiki, Forum, Blog and News but not the content in my own portlet" and "user is 
allowed to read the content in my own portlet and read/write in forum and wiki" 
and so on. I want to define that in a central spot so that it effects all 
portlets installed. 

2. Once a user is logged in, he can navigate in the whole portal and use it 
according to the rights and restrictions associated with his user account. 
(Single sign on)

3. I want to create a portal page with login field and menu on the left and my 
portlet and the news portlet in the centre. From the menu, a user can navigate 
to Wiki and Message Boards. Depeding on the logged in user, the menu has to 
change (e.g. if I am logged in I probably want a function to edit the content 
in my own portlet which a normal user can't do). 

4. I don't want the user to be able to change the layout of the portal page 
(eg. I don't want the user to be able to close the news portlet so it 
disappears)

5. I want that my own portlet can access his own database which is disjoint 
from the portal database (I want to manage my own data)

6. I want that my own portlet can access the filesystem to read and write files 
it has to manage. (No, I don't want to use a DB-BLOB)

7. That I can use a template-like technology to change the design and look&feel 
for all components involved


"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote : Would it soothe you to know I'm a man of my word?
;-) Well, I know that JBoss Portal will most likely evolve very fast. And I 
tend to put more trust into JBoss than some companies that might be behind 
other portal system. So you have the advantage of my trust.

Yet the issue remains: I have to get a job done (see above).

I can wait for the "out of the box" portlets for a few weeks or months (e.g. if 
you say "we are working on providing a super Wiki portlet but that won't be 
done until July" it would be fine with me.)

But I need to get the portal done.


"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote : The freebie portlets they have are intimately tied 
to their struts-portal-architecture, so portability is a no-no.

That is, in fact, a serious issue! I will investigate that.

thanks

scrut

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"scrut" wrote : But Portlets are what makes a portal useful. Even if you don't 
provide portlets yourself, I think that you should provide a list of sources 
for those portlets.

Most of the people I've dealt with don't find the freebie portlets useful at 
all. They do very little of the heavy lifting, and other OS portals seem to 
offer a bucket of google and toy portlets that I find quite useless, atm.

"scrut" wrote : 
  | That's nice. But after all, what really counts are the answers to the 
questions: "Can system xyz get the job done better than the others? Can I use 
it for my specific needs? Does it provide the functions and features I need?"

So why don't you articulate your needs, instead of asking broad and general 
questions?

"scrut" wrote : 
  | With JBoss Portal I see mainly promises at the moment.
  | 

Would it soothe you to know I'm a man of my word?

"scrut" wrote : 
  | How is Liferay different? Is the only issue the question whether or not it 
is spec compliant? Or is there more to it?
  | 

Don't know. Are they spec compliant? Try pulling one of their portlets and 
porting it. The freebie portlets they have are intimately tied to their 
struts-portal-architecture, so portability is a no-no.

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"[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Mature how? We're not in the business of developing 
portlets. The goal of this project is to provide a scalable, flexible, and 
reliable portal framework, not bible and weather portlets. 

But Portlets are what makes a portal useful. So being able to pick 80% of your 
portlet needs from a "out of the box" list of portlets is a bonus and reduces 
the time to get started.

Even if you don't provide portlets yourself, I think that you should provide a 
list of sources for those portlets.

"[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : That being said, Novell is bringing roughly 35 
portlets to the LGPL table. ;-)

Like a list of those ones...

"[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Because we back JBoss Portal with proven JBoss 
support services, and companies like Novell are knee-deep in assisting the 
portal effort with us.

That's nice. But after all, what really counts are the answers to the 
questions: "Can system xyz get the job done better than the others? Can I use 
it for my specific needs? Does it provide the functions and features I need?"

And right now I am not so sure about JBoss Portal.

In order words: If I do a bit of configuration in eXo or Liferay, I can SEE 
results and with my own eyes I can see that large fractions of my portal needs 
are met already.
With JBoss Portal I see mainly promises at the moment.


"[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : If its spec compliant, then you can plug them in to 
eXo and move it to JBoss Portal. I don't know about portability in Liferay 
portal.

How is Liferay different? Is the only issue the question whether or not it is 
spec compliant? Or is there more to it?

Thanks

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"scrut" wrote : How does JBoss Portal compare to LifeRay and eXo?
  | The two latter portals seem a lot more mature and provide a lot of portlets 
already.

Mature how? We're not in the business of developing portlets. The goal of this 
project is to provide a scalable, flexible, and reliable portal framework, not 
bible and weather portlets. 

That being said, Novell is bringing roughly 35 portlets to the LGPL table. ;-)

"scrut" wrote : 
  | Why should someone use JBoss Portal instead when starting a new project?

Because we back JBoss Portal with proven JBoss support services, and companies 
like Novell are knee-deep in assisting the portal effort with us.

"scrut" wrote : 
  | How is JBoss Portal different from the other systems?

I've never gone thru and compared us feature for feature. You can see a 
complete feature list for portal here: 
http://docs.jboss.org/jbportal/v2.0RC/user-guide/en/html/features.html

"scrut" wrote : 
  | Here is my backdoor: what if I decided to use eXo or LifeRay for now and 
develop my own portlet - can I later deploy it with JBoss Portal as is and 
integrate it? I mean, all three claim that they are JSR168 compliant so in 
theory this might be a suitable backdoor. What is your opinion on that?

If its spec compliant, then you can plug them in to eXo and move it to JBoss 
Portal. I don't know about portability in Liferay portal.

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