[JBoss-user] [JBossWS] - Re: Grid Services in JBossWS

2006-02-08 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sorry, I think you need to go away and read the references and then followup 
with what the WS-I does. Either that, or you need to go into more detail about 
what problems you see that cannot be addressed with things other than WS-RF!

Mark.


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[JBoss-user] [JBossWS] - Re: Grid Services in JBossWS

2006-02-07 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why would you want to use WS-RF, let alone implement it? If you are really 
interested in distributed objects, then use something like CORBA or even RMI if 
you want pure Java. If you want to use Web Services and leverage SOA, then 
don't go down the WS-RF route. Check out 
http://www.idealliance.org/proceedings/xml05/ship/54/xml2005-wssessions.HTML 
and http://www.webservices.org/weblog/mark_little/next_stop_the_twilight_zone 
as examples.

Although WS-RF is going to become a standard, I wouldn't like to say whether it 
will see a lot of take up in the market. So far, only really IBM has backed it.

Now I know there's backing in the GGF - afterall, that's where it all started. 
However, now that Microsoft is moving into the Grid space in a big way, I think 
we'll see some changes in the next few weeks and months that may sideline some 
of this stuff. Plus, you can do it better anyway (check out 
http://webservices.sys-con.com/read/44675.htm). 

So unless you've got interoperability requirements (like someone else has gone 
and implemented the spec and you need to interact with them), I'd suggest 
taking a step back and look at alternatives that don't blow the benefits of Web 
Services/SOA out of the water.

Mark.


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[JBoss-user] [JBossWS] - Re: Grid Services in JBossWS

2006-02-07 Thread kenksy
WSRF is being used in all grid middleware technologies, even though it is not 
considered as an open standard, but grid founders and other vendors use it as a 
standard. 

In my scenario I want to write some interoperable services or ejb's(service 
oriented) that will be deployed on any of the present grid middlewares. So far, 
in terms of my requirement I want to use a high quality open source middle 
ware(AS). For which I am recommended to use JBoss as an application server. I 
thought if it provides some implementation and deployment of Grid Services. 

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[JBoss-user] [JBossWS] - Re: Grid Services in JBossWS

2006-02-07 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WS-RF is certainly not used in all grid middleware technologies. Far from it. 
Show me the Oracle or MSFT implementation? Show me where [EMAIL PROTECTED] uses 
it (that's probably the best and biggest example of a Grid around today).

I think you're right to look at JBoss. But stay clear of WS-RF for now, until 
(and unless) it really does get adopted by everyone. There is a lot you can do 
with what currently exists and what is available everywhere. Take a look at 
http://www.arjuna.com/library/reports/2003-08-12-GAF-v1_0.pdf for instance: 
it's a little old now, but the principles are right: build on what everyone 
supports (basically WS-I compliance) and don't rush into something that only 
one or two vendors support, because chances are it won't be there in a couple 
of years time.

Mark.


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[JBoss-user] [JBossWS] - Re: Grid Services in JBossWS

2006-02-07 Thread ishq
Hi,

In reference to your previous message. One cannot make transient and stateful 
webservices and service groups for its virtualization with key features like 
addressing, notification, lifetime management, monitoring etc... I agree that 
ws-i might somehow achieve these features but in  more complex ways.


IshQ,
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