Re: [JDEV] is there any message size limitation?
Yes, there is a practical size limit, check the JEP's and OOB. I don't remember the exact numbers, but they are on the jabber web site. On Tuesday 11 March 2003 12:29, Robert Spahr wrote: Hi all, I have looked at the mailing list archive and can find no information regarding message size limits. My question is: Is there a limit to the size of a jabber message? My goal would be to create a client that sends a message, and yet has an attached or embedded section of XML that would not be parsed, but would instead be saved locally, to later be viewed as an XML document. So is there a real or practical size limit of a jabber message? Thanks so much -- Robert Spahr ___ jdev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev -- Best Regards, Daniel MD ___ jdev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev
RE: [JDEV] Re: Open Source?
I agree with Ulrich, There are allot of open source companies like: mySQL, Zend, etc... Those provide open source licenses and also commercial services and products, maybe you guys at Rhymbox should do it that way too. By the way I am a big fan of your client Rhymbox, it is beautiful and very easy to use, I wish you guys allot of success in your endeavors, and hope you make a client that will top the only rival for me outside jabber client's the Trilian client, I really think that inside the jabber client's you have no rival. My wish list: A bit more extensibility thru the use of plug-ins. The ability to see the stream in plain text like other client's do is something that I wish for. OOB made easy, drag and drop exchange of files, in out of band connections. PS: I know this is not Rhymbox list, but I think this licensing issue is something that all developers will have to face sooner or later. And having a reference on the list might help, maybe a licensing FAQ, on jabber.org.. Just my 2cents... Best Regards, Daniel MD -Mensagem original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Em nome de [EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviada: quinta-feira, 27 de Fevereiro de 2003 11:35 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Assunto: Re: [JDEV] Re: Open Source? Hi, I guess it depends on the interpretation of open source. As long as rhymbox is not GPL'd, the term open source is more or less meaningless, for me as a developer all my source code is open source :) I do not to stab sebastiaan, but i'd choose a proper license model... it helps a lot. several companys wanted to obtain and buy/whatever sourcecode from me, too, and with a proper licence model everything gets sorted quite fast. hope this helps... ulrich Ok, time for some clarification. I'm one of the two RhymBox developers. Shalom contacted me a few days ago with this very same question and I answered his questions, as I do with every request. I did not receive any response from him. Whatever. Shalom Levytam wrote: Thanks, this helps a bit. I guess Rhymbox is closed source then... Take a look in the subdirectory src where you installed RhymBox. It contains all scripts, HTML and CSS that you need to modify the GUI. The source code for the .exe framework is not distributed because pretty much the only reason you would need that is to create commercial application based on RhymBox. And we don't want that right now. We do however give out that source code to friends, people we trust, people who pay, etc. Contact me directly for more about this. JDEV is not a mailing list about one client. Tijl Houtbeckers wrote: Free services RhymBox client and Jabber server We offer a next-generation Jabber client. RhymBox is open source and free of charge for personal use. It doesn't state what licence though, but free of charge for personal use sort of implies not free for commercial use Perhaps a more clear licence is provided in the download (since it's a DHTML application I assume source is bundled with the download (or maybe there's a way to compile DHTML these days). There are ways to conceil DHTML code but they are flawed, hardly worth the effort and the exact opposite of what open-source means to the RhymBox project. The license states something like you can modify the source code as long as you don't make a million bucks selling it behind our backs. Not in those words though. ;-) The license is the first screen of the installer, and is also placed in the installation directory (License.txt) for reviewing. We want people to be able to tweak the program interface, to learn about the Jabber protocol, to have an example of programming for the different libraries and languages that we use. Nothing more. -- Sebastiaan ___ jdev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev -- Ulrich Staudinger http://www.die-horde.de http://www.igpp.de Product Manager @ http://complat.sourceforge.net/jnlp/ JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ jdev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev ___ jdev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev
RE: [JDEV] OT: Trillian forums on Jabber...
I agree, it's the best choice and it's all free muhahaha. I love Open source, and it's community. Thing's get done much faster Best Regards, Daniel MD -Mensagem original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Em nome de Peter Saint-Andre Enviada: segunda-feira, 24 de Fevereiro de 2003 17:31 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Assunto: Re: [JDEV] OT: Trillian forums on Jabber... Thanks for the clarification, Justin. With all the standardization forming around Jabber as an open IM protocol, I think the Trillian folks (and many others) will be coming around to Jabber in 2003. :) Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre Jabber Software Foundation http://www.jabber.org/people/stpeter.php On Sat, 22 Feb 2003, Justin Karneges wrote: Hi, First, the Trillian developers _are_ interested in Jabber, they just haven't made a public note about it. Second, that thread is really old, so the early messages should be disregarded. I think Jabber's marketing has improved over the last year, going away from multi-IM towards open-IM as more and more users have gained a clue. You have to understand that most users of the Trillian forum saw Jabber as redundant, since they were only thinking about transports. Read the end of the thread, and you'll see that a lot more people have opened up to Jabber now that they understand what it is. That thread has to hold some kind of record, too, as it spans over a year. I'm supposed to be absent right now, but I felt I had to reply since I'm probably the only one who can save face for these guys. Have fun, -Justin On Saturday 22 February 2003 10:13 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a fine read over at Trillian. Wtf is their deal? http://www.trillian.cc/forums/showthread.php?s=88747c9447b7f11da69447da6 e9e 487cthreadid=6777perpage=30highlight=support%20jabber% 20futurepagenumber=1 Lots of pushback against jabber and obviously the trillian dev's are forcefully ignoring jabber interop. ___ jdev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev ___ jdev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev ___ jdev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev
RE: [JDEV] custom namespaces and modules.
Best Regards, Daniel MD -Mensagem original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Em nome de Yuriy Vasiliev Enviada: terça-feira, 11 de Fevereiro de 2003 9:54 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Assunto: [JDEV] custom namespaces and modules. HI, I have few questions. I have had a look at docs at jabber.org but need more info. Could someone explain to me: 1. How to create custom namespaces? Namespaces are defined in DTD's, use the standard, but if you have specific needs, create your own DTD's. 2. How to create and implement own modules to work with those namespaces? By writing your own parser, or library. 3. Where can I get nessesary info about previous questions? Well read good book's on XML, and use the language of your choice to create the tools you need. 4. If there is any examples I could look at. Check the libraries section on jabber.org. TIA, Yuriy ___ jdev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev ___ jdev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev
RE: [JDEV] Jabber research
-Mensagem original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Em nome de Smith, Jeffery S (Scott) Enviada: segunda-feira, 10 de Fevereiro de 2003 21:18 Para: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Assunto: [JDEV] Jabber research Questions: How many concurrent connections of the type and traffic specified could I expect the x345 server to support? Assume bandwidth is not an issue. I've seen the limitations regarding stock RH installs vis a vis number of ports and so forth. Should we plan for 1000 connections per system? More? 500? Less? 1024 limit as Ulrich pointed, but a work around should be possible. Are there advantages or disadvantages to running multiple servers, even if a single server could service all connections? Does jabber provide redundancy or failover facilities? Is disaster recovery or server replacement unusually difficult? Multi servers, means more resources are being spent for the same use, so i don't think that an increase of say on 0.5s is a good way to waste a 4.000+ box, if one server can handle one, let him rule them all :) Also take a look at ejabberd a new tool, for cluster of jabber, and failover facilities http://www.jabber.ru/projects/ejabberd/ from aleksey, i think the project is not 100% stable but you should look at it because it has many of the features you require. What happens if an unusually large messages passes through a server? For example, if a 10MB or 100MB message passes through a jabber server, can the client/server handle messages of that size? And if so, are other sessions queued until this one message completes, or is there concurrency? Well it's an asynchronous protocol, plus no text message goes beyond a few K, if you want to set up file transfers, you can use one of the proposed options to create a mini HTTP server, etc... take a look at the protocol site and look for OOB transfers, http://www.jabber.org/protocol/filetransfer.html On the client side, are there any client daemon projects currently available or under development for the linux environment? Hum do not know. On the server side, is it possible and if so how difficult is it to have messages received at the server passed through to an application rather than to another jabber client? I understand such hooks exist from my reading of the jabberd docs, but a confirmation would be nice. There are many ways to interact with applications one is XML-RPC, etc.., take a look at the docs. Is there a jabber-to-email gateway? For example, can a jabber client send a message to an email address rather than to another jabber client, and vice versa? Like Ulrich said, there is a gateway to do that. Thanks in advance. If anyone can provide high level answers it would be appreciated. I need only enough detail to answer the question. Implementation details and suggestions are not needed at this point, only a statement of possibility and perhaps an indication of difficulty or viability. Viability High, Difficulty Low, jabber is a very simple to implement protocol (if you have a task force of 10 engineers I think you could do it in 1-2 months if not less), and it's developer base is always increasing, so there are many twists and tools, it's also very extensible, like the JEP's show, I would not recommend using something else, or creating your own custom protocol. I also have in the past week learned about jabber, and already started implementing a Flash ActionScript library, it took me about 20 minutes to make a GUI to connect and create a JID, it's really a great tool for IM, and with the extensibility growing by the day, who knows it might even replace old communication ways, like e-mail has replaced snail mail. Plus it's a great productivity tool. I could not recommend it more, Best regards, Daniel MD ___ jdev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev
[JDEV] P2P and IM
Ok maybe i expressed myself wrongly, What i would like to create is a collaboration network tool, on one side i have the IM and threaded subjects, and on the other i have a file swapping area, where i can upload some files, say a CAD file, or the Source Code of SuperLIB, so from my perspective i can do two or three implementation options: number one: Use a combination of P2P (open source p2p) and IM (jabber), second. use Jabber and try to modify a server to exchange file lists, that cross over through HTTP GET HTTP POS requests, third: create a win32 socket application that does all the stuff i need (very hard work) So what would the list recommend? Any suggestion would be appreciated. Best Regards, Daniel MD ___ jdev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev
RE: [JDEV] P2P and IM
Hum thanks for the hint i think i can work with this to do what i want. Thank's dan. Best Regards, Daniel MD -Mensagem original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Em nome de Dan Enviada: terça-feira, 28 de Janeiro de 2003 17:58 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Assunto: Re: [JDEV] P2P and IM Option #2 seems very close to the OOB spec. - Original Message - From: Daniel MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 1:09 PM Subject: [JDEV] P2P and IM Ok maybe i expressed myself wrongly, What i would like to create is a collaboration network tool, on one side i have the IM and threaded subjects, and on the other i have a file swapping area, where i can upload some files, say a CAD file, or the Source Code of SuperLIB, so from my perspective i can do two or three implementation options: number one: Use a combination of P2P (open source p2p) and IM (jabber), second. use Jabber and try to modify a server to exchange file lists, that cross over through HTTP GET HTTP POS requests, third: create a win32 socket application that does all the stuff i need (very hard work) So what would the list recommend? Any suggestion would be appreciated. Best Regards, Daniel MD ___ jdev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev ___ jdev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev
[JDEV] (no subject)
hello, i was wondering what is wrong with the protocol that it can't take dynamic IP's ? Jabber server, thus moving Jabber closer to a peer-to-peer model (currently this would require each device to have its own fully qualified domain name). I really would like to implement a p2p jabber network. Best Regards, Daniel MD
