Re: [jdev] The future of Jabber/XMPP?
Hi, As you can see, people Russian Federation, Czech Republic and Ukraine use Jabber/XMPP widely. As a resident of Russia, I can confirm that many large projects started own IM servers based on XMPP (for example: yandex.ru, qip.ru/rbc.ru, vkontakte.ru/vk.com etc). Users just using that services and even don't know about protocol they based. So, XMPP is not more a modern untested technology but it is a stable base and a standard for many applications and services. On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 06:25, Paul Aurich p...@darkrain42.org wrote: On 2010-07-14 19:08, Gao Deng wrote: **check out this http://www.gaodeng.me/?p=3 Not to nitpick, but putting them both on the same scale is more illustrative: http://www.google.com/trends?q=xmpp,jabber ~Paul -- Oleg ___ JDev mailing list Forum: http://www.jabberforum.org/forumdisplay.php?f=20 Info: http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/jdev Unsubscribe: jdev-unsubscr...@jabber.org ___
Re: [jdev] Jabber client as sip2xmpp gateway for voice
It can be a plugin for any existing client, so I can use my favorite client and do call with my favorite phone device :) On 6/26/07, Norman Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So do you mean: add code so that if someone calls your jabber client using jingle, you can hand off that call to a sip phone somewhere else? It sounds like this should be implemented as a non-interactive client that only supports the jingle-to-sip translation. -- Regards, Oleg
Re: [jdev] Jabber client as sip2xmpp gateway for voice
Yes, I know about this service. But main idea is to implement gateway in jabber client. There is many hardware and software with sip support but almost none with jingle support. This method can utilize existing sip devices with jingle. On 6/26/07, Norman Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: check out www.gtalk2voip.com -- Regards, Oleg
[jdev] Jabber client as sip2xmpp gateway for voice
Hello, I didn't find any hardware implementation of jabber voice. So, I think it is possible to implement sip2xmpp gateway in jabber client side. For example, I want to make voice chat with GoogleTalk contact in my roster and I have VoIP phone adapter (like Addpac). I'm starting voice chat with him and my client program and it is ringing to my phone by sip and to jabber contact by jingle, then connecting rtp streams. Is there any implementation of this? -- Regards, Oleg
Re: [jdev] JABBERSTUDIO NOTICE -- SITE DEMISE
Hi, Is there any software directories for XMPP? Where developer can register his beautiful opensource Jabber/XMPP project? :) -- Regards, Oleg
Re: [jdev] Re: XHTML-IM XEP implementation
Hello, I just mean that we can use such characters for indentation, not a 'space' . On 12/16/06, Manuzhai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bernhard Zwischenbrugger wrote: UTF-8 does not allow nbsp; use #160; That's just silly. The character encoding has very little to do with allowing entities. As far as I know, nbsp; is an HTML entity that is not defined for XML; thus, you can only use it in (X)HTML documents that reference the appropriate DOCTYPE and/or DTD. Otherwise, you could probably use a numeric character reference like #160;. Regards, Manuzhai -- Regards, Oleg
Re: [jdev] XHTML-IM XEP implementation
On 12/15/06, Tomasz Sterna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And last, but not least... HTML is squashing whitespace. So.. Bye bye indentation. All pasted code, tables etc. ends up completely unreadable. Is it possible to use nbsp ? -- Regards, Oleg
Re: [jdev] AIM and Yahoo now open?
On 12/9/06, Alexey Nezhdanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here: http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/20728.wss is said that lotus sametime is now can interoperate with GTalk, AIM and Yahoo using XMPP and SIMPLE protocols. If I understand situation correctly - then it mean that AOL and Yahoo should open access for any IP that runs lotus. Anybody knows if it is equal to just 'any IP' and as a consequence - can't we have now native xmpp transports to these two networks? I think somebody has to sniff traffic of lotus sametime interoperation to answer this question. -- Regards, Oleg
Re: [jdev] AIM and Yahoo now open?
On 12/9/06, Alexey Nezhdanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here: http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/20728.wss is said that lotus sametime is now can interoperate with GTalk, AIM and Yahoo using XMPP and SIMPLE protocols. If I understand situation correctly - then it mean that AOL and Yahoo should open access for any IP that runs lotus. Anybody knows if it is equal to just 'any IP' and as a consequence - can't we have now native xmpp transports to these two networks? -- Respectfully Alexey Nezhdanov http://www-142.ibm.com/software/sw-lotus/products/product3.nsf/wdocs/sametimefuture Public IM Connectivity IBM announced that it is working with leaders in the public instant messaging market to help Lotus Sametime users connect with public instant messaging communities. IBM will be enabling this connectivity through a new SIP-based Real-Time Collaboration Gateway that is currently planned to be available later this year. IBM is embedding this capability in Lotus Sametime, without additional charge to customers. [image: AOL logo]IBM and AOL have entered into an agreement to enable Lotus Sametime users to connect with users of AOL(r), AIM(r), ICQ(r) and Apple(r) iChat™ instant messaging services. In addition, Lotus Sametime 7.5customers will have access to AOL's AIM(r) Clearinghouse service, which will make it easy to connect with other enterprise instant messaging users . [image: Yahoo logo]IBM and Yahoo! are furthering industry interoperability by joining the Yahoo!(r) Messenger and IBM Lotus Sametime IM communities. By entering into an agreement to allow Lotus Sametime 7.5 users to connect with Yahoo! Messenger users, IBM and Yahoo! have demonstrated their shared commitment to provide IM interoperability while keeping security and reliability top of mind. Interoperability will be based on the SIP / SIMPLE industry standard protocol and will establish a server-to-server connection, requiring only one log-in ID. [image: Google logo]Building on their existing relationship, IBM and Google intend to enable standards-based interoperability between the IBM Lotus Sametime enterprise IM community and the Google Talk public IM network. This broad, out-of-the-box connectivity with the industry's leading consumer IM providers extends the business benefits of Lotus Sametime and gives IBM customers a security-rich way to collaborate with millions of public instant messaging users worldwide. -- Regards, Oleg
Re: [jdev] Re: vcard alternative
On 7/28/06, Igor Goryachev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I am going to write implementation of JEP-0154 in the near future for ejabberd jabber server. By the way, does anyone have plans for implementing it on the client side? Are you going to implement both mnesia and odbc versions? -- Regards, Oleg
Re: [jdev] vcard alternative
Hello, Can anybody describe situation with vcard-temp replacement? Is there green JEP for this? On 7/10/05, Oleg Motienko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. 2005/2/7, Oleg V. Motienko [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What's about absent fields in vcard such as gender and age ? I found jep-0120 as alternative, but it has remark Implementation is not recommended. Yet another vcard-temp replacement http://www.jabber.org/jeps/jep-0154.html Looks well ! -- Regards, Oleg -- Regards, Oleg
[jdev] jabber server name by ip
Hello. Does anybody know a method of discovering jabber server name by ip address if port 5269/tcp is opened and jabber server listening there? -- Regards, Oleg
Re: [jdev] jabber server name by ip
On 7/22/06, Justin Karneges [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 22 July 2006 06:09, Matthias Wimmer wrote: Oleg Motienko schrieb: Does anybody know a method of discovering jabber server name by ip address if port 5269/tcp is opened and jabber server listening there? Jabber servers provide virtual hosting and have typically no default domain. Therefore, I think it will be at least hard to find out the domain name this way. From RFC 3920, 4.7.1: ... if the initiating entity provides an unknown host in the 'to' attribute (or provides no 'to' attribute at all), the server SHOULD provide the server's authoritative hostname in the 'from' attribute of the stream header sent before termination. This could happen if there is an error while the stream is being set up, like if you telnet to port 5269 and type jibberish. -Justin I made some tests with port 5269 of several servers and no to attribute. One server implementation puts there empty from, other puts a value of to from incoming stream (even if hostname in to is incorrect), and other gives stream error. On 5222 port some servers give proper from in reply to bad request. -- Regards, Oleg
[jdev] migrating contacts to another server
Hello. What is the standart way of migrating roster and subscriptions to another server/domain ? -- Regards, Oleg
Re: [jdev] migrating contacts to another server
Yes, I know about this utility and also put it on our site http://www.jabber.ttn.ru/scripts/jru/jru.php But the question is about standart way, maybe doing it by protocol. I look though JEP's but didn't find any. Am I wrong ? On 7/16/06, Hal Rottenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PHP Jabber Roster Utility http://beta.unclassified.de/projekte/jru-php/ -- Regards, Oleg
Re: [jdev] sms2jabber - beta
It works for Russia-Megafon. Cool! On 6/8/06, Marco Balmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I've implemented a beta of sms2jabber [1]. Try it and let me know. sms text: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a sms text... Send sms to: +447624802560 /maba [1] http://web.swissjabber.ch/index.php/Sms2jabber -- http://web.swissjabber.ch xmpp: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Oleg
Re: [jdev] auto-updating server list
Hello, On 3/12/06, Wijnand Wiersma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very very cool. I looked up my server, nedbsd.nl, and I found it in the list. But there is also another entry which is called nedbsd.nl subdomains, my other jabberdomains don't have such a entry (shady.nl for example). Could you explain what and how? If there is database records with name service1.example.com, service2.example.com etc, example.com subdomains node with this names will be dispayed on disco. -- Regards, Oleg
Re: Service registration for services (Was Re: [jdev] auto-updating server list)
On 3/13/06, Trejkaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or better yet, let's say you want to find a Jabber user but you don't know what server they're on. Hit this central service, it searches every service it knows about until it finds the user. :-) Or maybe I want to find some service or transport ? Btw JabberFriends by amessage is very good service. http://web.amessage.info/friends/ -- Regards, Oleg
Re: [jdev] auto-updating server list
Hello, On 3/12/06, Andrew Plotkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 12 Mar 2006, Oleg Motienko wrote: An attempt to create an auto-updating server list. Early-early devel version :) Cute. Either I crashed it, or it crashed while I was fooling around with it. Last thing I did was a disco#items query to node jabbermx.org. (Which was listed as a leaf node under org: item jid=jabbermx.org name=jabbermx.org /. So I guess I shouldn't have done an items query, but crashing is no good. :) No response came back to that query, and subsequent queries produced errors. It seems you really crashed it :) I can't reproduce this but hope I fixed a bug. Please try to crash it again :) On 3/12/06, Hal Rottenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey that's pretty cool. :) So is it active or passive in its discovery of servers in the network? Now it's semi-dynamic. If you make disco on it, your server appears on s2s and appending to serverlist after some time. -- Regards, Oleg
[jdev] auto-updating server list
Hello. Do Disco on xmpp.net.ru . An attempt to create an auto-updating server list. Early-early devel version :) -- Regards, Oleg
[jdev] Conference messages multicasting
Hello, I asked such question last year, but didn't got answer at that time. So, if N users of my xmpp server talking in MUC on other server, each user get copy of each message in conference, and I guess S2S traffic will be N*messages_size ? Is there any S2S feature which can send one copy of message body to many users with same domain like CC: in email ? Thanks in advance. -- Regards, Oleg
Re: [jdev] Conference messages multicasting
Hello, Can message have multiple to on s2s ? And can server convert message with multiple to to multiple messages with single to on c2s. On 12/26/05, Ulrich Staudinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michal Vaner (Vorner) schrieb: As I know, it exists - extended addressing, or how is it called. However, I do not thing it is supported by software. If you have both servers that support it, it can send messages with are addressed to more than one recipient, so there would be N addresses and the message only once. Michal is right, extended stanza addressing is the jep for it: http://www.jabber.org/jeps/jep-0033.html#addr-type-cc But in any case you would need to use BCC instead of CC, because the messages should be delivered anonymously to all people in a chatroom, for the protection of the private jid of users. -- Regards, Oleg
Re: [jdev] Conference messages multicasting
Oops, sorry. I didn't notice link to jep-0033 in last message. On 12/26/05, Oleg Motienko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Can message have multiple to on s2s ? And can server convert message with multiple to to multiple messages with single to on c2s. On 12/26/05, Ulrich Staudinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michal Vaner (Vorner) schrieb: As I know, it exists - extended addressing, or how is it called. However, I do not thing it is supported by software. If you have both servers that support it, it can send messages with are addressed to more than one recipient, so there would be N addresses and the message only once. Michal is right, extended stanza addressing is the jep for it: http://www.jabber.org/jeps/jep-0033.html#addr-type-cc But in any case you would need to use BCC instead of CC, because the messages should be delivered anonymously to all people in a chatroom, for the protection of the private jid of users. -- Regards, Oleg -- Regards, Oleg
Re: [jdev] Has somebody still focused on Jabber E-mail?
2005/7/11, Richard Dobson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Jabber is only more secure in the area of spoofing, there is nothing currently to stop spam that hasnt been spoofed other than setting up privacy lists to not accept messages from anyone outside of your roster. But some clients already have support for message filtering and privacy lists, and also it is possible to block whole domain by filtering it's server subnet or playing with name resolving (such as put line 1.2.3.4 jabber.spammershost.com in /etc/hosts) -- Regards, Oleg ___ jdev mailing list jdev@jabber.org http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/jdev
Re: [jdev] vcard alternative
Hello. 2005/2/7, Oleg V. Motienko [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What's about absent fields in vcard such as gender and age ? I found jep-0120 as alternative, but it has remark Implementation is not recommended. Yet another vcard-temp replacement http://www.jabber.org/jeps/jep-0154.html Looks well ! -- Regards, Oleg ___ jdev mailing list jdev@jabber.org http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/jdev
Re: [jdev] deferred delivery
But if I'll can't send this message later (for ex. I wi0ll be offline for some days, but my recipient's server will be online next day) ? I have to use SMTP :( On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:36:29 -0600, Peter Saint-Andre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If domain2 is down when you send the message, you will receive an error message in your client. So chat later. :-) On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 08:34:18PM +0300, Oleg Motienko wrote: Hello. What's about deferred delivery of messages via XMPP ? For example, [EMAIL PROTECTED] send message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and server at domain2 is down for some time. In SMTP such message is waiting for some time in spool on server at domain1 and [EMAIL PROTECTED] recieve messages from postmaster about deferring delivery. -- Regards, Oleg ___ jdev mailing list jdev@jabber.org http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/jdev
[jdev] deferred delivery
Hello. What's about deferred delivery of messages via XMPP ? For example, [EMAIL PROTECTED] send message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and server at domain2 is down for some time. In SMTP such message is waiting for some time in spool on server at domain1 and [EMAIL PROTECTED] recieve messages from postmaster about deferring delivery. -- Regards, Oleg ___ jdev mailing list jdev@jabber.org http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/jdev
Re: [jdev] Re: Next Generation VCard (was vcard alternative)
Hello Also languages/ may be very usefull, spoken languages and skill (. Something like: languages russiannative/russian englishnot so bad/english /languages And bookmarks/ for favorite links. And an idea about retrieving profile: modes of getting profile: like 'full', 'textinfo', 'basicinfo' etc. Ex: 'basicinfo' - gets only name, surname, nickname; 'textinfo' - gets all text information without images. On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:17:24 +0100, Heiner Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I started working on something similar late last year: http://www.saint-andre.com/jabber/jeps/profile.html we are using some more bits in the Personal Data Aspects section, mostly just free text: profession/ zodiacsign/ eyecolor/ languages/ hobbies/ interests/ homeurl/ favouriteurls/ html/ It would be really cool, if someone had a huge list of categories available that could fill interests/ with meaningful categories instead of the user supplied free text. -- Regards, Oleg ___ jdev mailing list jdev@jabber.org http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/jdev
Re: [jdev] Presence subscription handling bugs in various Jabber software
Hello! Users of our server (running ejabberd) report same bug with jajc (http://jajc.ksn.ru) On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 16:12:06 +0100, Jacek Konieczny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Most of us know, that some transports abuse presence type='subscribed'/ stanzas, in a way which is now forbidden by the XMPP-IM specification. That is done because of a very old bug in jabberd-1.x based servers, which accept and process this stanza. It is not good, when anyone is able to add himself to other's roster. Now, when more and more servers aim at the XMPP compliance I thought such features and abuses are going to die. Unfortunately it seems that I am wrong. Some users of my server complain, that some users of other servers are able to add themselves to their rosters. It looks like this: a - user of my server A - my server B - the other server b - the other user They are connected like this: a (c2s) A --- (s2s) -- B --- b (any(ejabberd) (some (some client) server)client) a does not have b in his roster, then b does something that add it to a's roster by sending presence type='subscribed'/ although a have never requested it. Two such cases where reported to me. In the first case, the server B was jabber.org (jabberd-1.4.x AFAIK), and the client b was (most probably) Psi. In the second case B was WP Jabber (JSM/JSM version 1.1.5 for pthreaded server (Linux 2.6.x)), and b Psi (Psi/0.9.3 (SuSE Linux 9.2 (i586))). Server A is always the same: ejabberd/0.7.5 (unix/linux 2.6.7) Client a doesn't matter. Please note, that for that scenario to work there must be bugs on both servers (A which should not accept that stanza and B, which should not forward it from its client) and a misfeature on the client b (I have found nothing in the XMPP specs that forbids client to send unsolicited presence type=subscribed /). So we have bugs in at least free server implementations (ejabberd, jabberd 1.4.x and WP Jabber) and annoying (for users of buggy servers) misfeature of at least one client (I may be wrong here if it is not the client which generates the subscribed stanza). That doesn't look good, as it seems a very big part of global Jabber infrastructure is broken :-( Or maybe I am wrong and there is only one bug somehere? I will submit a bug report to the maintainers of the software I use (ejabberd). And I ask you to check your software, and submit the bugs reports or fix the bugs too. -- Regards, Oleg ___ jdev mailing list jdev@jabber.org http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/jdev
