Re: [JDEV] Re: Implementing Jabber Server in other Languages (Was RE: [JDEV] Cus tomizing Jabber server)

2001-05-11 Thread Dave Smith

On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 12:37:22PM -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> temas wrote:
> 
> > This is one of the exact goals of the Foundation, to have a formalized
> > process for working on the protocol.  Jabelin will then be the group to
> > work on server development.  Some more info about this should be out
> > today or tomorrow.
> 
> 
> Well, Jabelin will be the group to work on server development for the 
> reference implementation, not for every server implementation, right? At 
> least such is my understanding... :)

Yup.

Diz

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Re: [JDEV] Re: Implementing Jabber Server in other Languages (Was RE: [JDEV] Cus tomizing Jabber server)

2001-05-11 Thread Peter Saint-Andre

temas wrote:

> This is one of the exact goals of the Foundation, to have a formalized
> process for working on the protocol.  Jabelin will then be the group to
> work on server development.  Some more info about this should be out
> today or tomorrow.


Well, Jabelin will be the group to work on server development for the 
reference implementation, not for every server implementation, right? At 
least such is my understanding... :)

Peter

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RE: [JDEV] RE: Implementing Jabber Server in other Languages (Was RE: [JDEV] Cus tomizing Jabber server)

2001-05-09 Thread Ted Rolle

All too true (your being right, of course).  But the "elegance" concept is a
philosphy, not based on any language.  Far too few who call themselves
"programmers" possess it.

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RE: [JDEV] RE: Implementing Jabber Server in other Languages (Was RE: [JDEV] Cus tomizing Jabber server)

2001-05-09 Thread Max Metral

Well, I'm not really sure that any amount of elegance would cause a perl
program to run faster than a similarly elegant C++ one...  I don't want to
get into a language war, but since I'm right there will be no need for one.
;)

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> It seems like the prototyping point here is the strongest.  From a perf
> perspective, C/C++ all the way seems pretty important for carriers and
large
> ISPs (like us if I may be so bold), but not for people tooling around with
> new features...  If we all agree with this, the nice thing might be that a
> second/alternate language version would have an EXPLICIT goal of being
> readable and modifiable and NOT being efficient or cheaply/quickly
scalable.

These goals are not mutually exclusive.  The meeting/common point is called
"elegance".
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RE: [JDEV] RE: Implementing Jabber Server in other Languages (Was RE: [JDEV] Cus tomizing Jabber server)

2001-05-09 Thread Ted Rolle

> It seems like the prototyping point here is the strongest.  From a perf
> perspective, C/C++ all the way seems pretty important for carriers and
large
> ISPs (like us if I may be so bold), but not for people tooling around with
> new features...  If we all agree with this, the nice thing might be that a
> second/alternate language version would have an EXPLICIT goal of being
> readable and modifiable and NOT being efficient or cheaply/quickly
scalable.

These goals are not mutually exclusive.  The meeting/common point is called
"elegance".
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