RE: [JDEV] Re: Open Source?
I agree with Ulrich,
There are allot of open source companies like: mySQL, Zend, etc... Those
provide open source licenses and also commercial services and products,
maybe you guys at Rhymbox should do it that way too.
By the way I am a big fan of your client Rhymbox, it is beautiful and
very easy to use, I wish you guys allot of success in your endeavors,
and hope you make a client that will top the only rival for me outside
jabber client's the Trilian client, I really think that inside the
jabber client's you have no rival.
My wish list: A bit more extensibility thru the use of plug-ins.
The ability to see the stream in plain text like other
client's do is something that I wish for.
OOB made easy, drag and drop exchange of files, in out
of band connections.
PS: I know this is not Rhymbox list, but I think this licensing issue is
something that all developers will have to face sooner or later. And
having a reference on the list might help, maybe a licensing FAQ, on
jabber.org..
Just my 2cents...
Best Regards,
Daniel MD
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Hi,
I guess it depends on the interpretation of open source. As long as
rhymbox
is not GPL'd, the term open source is more or less meaningless, for me
as a
developer all my source code is open source :)
I do not to stab sebastiaan, but i'd choose a proper license model... it
helps a lot. several companys wanted to obtain and buy/whatever
sourcecode from
me, too, and with a proper licence model everything gets sorted quite
fast.
hope this helps...
ulrich
> Ok, time for some clarification.
>
> I'm one of the two RhymBox developers. Shalom contacted me a few days
> ago with this very same question and I answered his questions, as I do
> with every request. I did not receive any response from him.
Whatever.
>
>
> > Shalom Levytam wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, this helps a bit.
> >
> > I guess Rhymbox is closed source then...
>
> Take a look in the subdirectory "src" where you installed RhymBox. It
> contains all scripts, HTML and CSS that you need to modify the GUI.
> The source code for the .exe framework is not distributed because
pretty
> much the only reason you would need that is to create commercial
> application based on RhymBox. And we don't want that right now.
> We do however give out that source code to friends, people we trust,
> people who pay, etc. Contact me directly for more about this. JDEV
is
> not a mailing list about one client.
>
>
> > Tijl Houtbeckers wrote:
> > "
> > Free services
> > RhymBox client and Jabber server
> > We offer a next-generation Jabber client. RhymBox is open source and
> > free of charge for personal use. "
> >
> > It doesn't state what licence though, but "free of charge for
personal
> > use" sort of implies not free for commercial use Perhaps a more
clear
> > licence is provided in the download (since it's a DHTML application
I
> > assume source is bundled with the download (or maybe there's a way
to
> > compile DHTML these days).
>
> There are ways to conceil DHTML code but they are flawed, hardly worth
> the effort and the exact opposite of what "open-source" means to the
> RhymBox project. The license states something like "you can modify
the
> source code as long as you don't make a million bucks selling it
behind
> our backs". Not in those words though. ;-)
> The license is the first screen of the installer, and is also placed
in
> the installation directory ("License.txt") for reviewing.
> We want people to be able to tweak the program interface, to learn
about
> the Jabber protocol, to have an example of programming for the
different
> libraries and languages that we use. Nothing more.
>
>
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Re: [JDEV] Re: Open Source?
I would suggest you read the Open Source Definition (at
http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.php) before calling your
software Open-Source. In particular, your licensing does not meet
sections 1 and 6.
-David Waite
Sebastiaan Deckers wrote:
Ok, time for some clarification.
I'm one of the two RhymBox developers. Shalom contacted me a few days
ago with this very same question and I answered his questions, as I do
with every request. I did not receive any response from him. Whatever.
Shalom Levytam wrote:
Thanks, this helps a bit.
I guess Rhymbox is closed source then...
Take a look in the subdirectory "src" where you installed RhymBox. It
contains all scripts, HTML and CSS that you need to modify the GUI.
The source code for the .exe framework is not distributed because
pretty much the only reason you would need that is to create
commercial application based on RhymBox. And we don't want that right
now.
We do however give out that source code to friends, people we trust,
people who pay, etc. Contact me directly for more about this. JDEV
is not a mailing list about one client.
> Tijl Houtbeckers wrote:
"
Free services
RhymBox client and Jabber server
We offer a next-generation Jabber client. RhymBox is open source and
free of charge for personal use. "
It doesn't state what licence though, but "free of charge for
personal use" sort of implies not free for commercial use Perhaps a
more clear licence is provided in the download (since it's a DHTML
application I assume source is bundled with the download (or maybe
there's a way to compile DHTML these days).
There are ways to conceil DHTML code but they are flawed, hardly worth
the effort and the exact opposite of what "open-source" means to the
RhymBox project. The license states something like "you can modify
the source code as long as you don't make a million bucks selling it
behind our backs". Not in those words though. ;-)
The license is the first screen of the installer, and is also placed
in the installation directory ("License.txt") for reviewing.
We want people to be able to tweak the program interface, to learn
about the Jabber protocol, to have an example of programming for the
different libraries and languages that we use. Nothing more.
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Re: [JDEV] Re: Open Source?
Hi,
I guess it depends on the interpretation of open source. As long as rhymbox
is not GPL'd, the term open source is more or less meaningless, for me as a
developer all my source code is open source :)
I do not to stab sebastiaan, but i'd choose a proper license model... it
helps a lot. several companys wanted to obtain and buy/whatever sourcecode from
me, too, and with a proper licence model everything gets sorted quite fast.
hope this helps...
ulrich
> Ok, time for some clarification.
>
> I'm one of the two RhymBox developers. Shalom contacted me a few days
> ago with this very same question and I answered his questions, as I do
> with every request. I did not receive any response from him. Whatever.
>
>
> > Shalom Levytam wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, this helps a bit.
> >
> > I guess Rhymbox is closed source then...
>
> Take a look in the subdirectory "src" where you installed RhymBox. It
> contains all scripts, HTML and CSS that you need to modify the GUI.
> The source code for the .exe framework is not distributed because pretty
> much the only reason you would need that is to create commercial
> application based on RhymBox. And we don't want that right now.
> We do however give out that source code to friends, people we trust,
> people who pay, etc. Contact me directly for more about this. JDEV is
> not a mailing list about one client.
>
>
> > Tijl Houtbeckers wrote:
> > "
> > Free services
> > RhymBox client and Jabber server
> > We offer a next-generation Jabber client. RhymBox is open source and
> > free of charge for personal use. "
> >
> > It doesn't state what licence though, but "free of charge for personal
> > use" sort of implies not free for commercial use Perhaps a more clear
> > licence is provided in the download (since it's a DHTML application I
> > assume source is bundled with the download (or maybe there's a way to
> > compile DHTML these days).
>
> There are ways to conceil DHTML code but they are flawed, hardly worth
> the effort and the exact opposite of what "open-source" means to the
> RhymBox project. The license states something like "you can modify the
> source code as long as you don't make a million bucks selling it behind
> our backs". Not in those words though. ;-)
> The license is the first screen of the installer, and is also placed in
> the installation directory ("License.txt") for reviewing.
> We want people to be able to tweak the program interface, to learn about
> the Jabber protocol, to have an example of programming for the different
> libraries and languages that we use. Nothing more.
>
>
> --
> Sebastiaan
>
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Re: [JDEV] Re: Open Source?
Ok, time for some clarification.
I'm one of the two RhymBox developers. Shalom contacted me a few days
ago with this very same question and I answered his questions, as I do
with every request. I did not receive any response from him. Whatever.
Shalom Levytam wrote:
Thanks, this helps a bit.
I guess Rhymbox is closed source then...
Take a look in the subdirectory "src" where you installed RhymBox. It
contains all scripts, HTML and CSS that you need to modify the GUI.
The source code for the .exe framework is not distributed because pretty
much the only reason you would need that is to create commercial
application based on RhymBox. And we don't want that right now.
We do however give out that source code to friends, people we trust,
people who pay, etc. Contact me directly for more about this. JDEV is
not a mailing list about one client.
> Tijl Houtbeckers wrote:
"
Free services
RhymBox client and Jabber server
We offer a next-generation Jabber client. RhymBox is open source and
free of charge for personal use. "
It doesn't state what licence though, but "free of charge for personal
use" sort of implies not free for commercial use Perhaps a more clear
licence is provided in the download (since it's a DHTML application I
assume source is bundled with the download (or maybe there's a way to
compile DHTML these days).
There are ways to conceil DHTML code but they are flawed, hardly worth
the effort and the exact opposite of what "open-source" means to the
RhymBox project. The license states something like "you can modify the
source code as long as you don't make a million bucks selling it behind
our backs". Not in those words though. ;-)
The license is the first screen of the installer, and is also placed in
the installation directory ("License.txt") for reviewing.
We want people to be able to tweak the program interface, to learn about
the Jabber protocol, to have an example of programming for the different
libraries and languages that we use. Nothing more.
--
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Re:[JDEV] Re: Open Source?
"Shalom Levytam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 27-2-2003 2:36:27: > >Thanks, this helps a bit. > >I guess Rhymbox is closed source then... http://www.rhymbox.com/services/ " Free services RhymBox client and Jabber server We offer a next-generation Jabber client. RhymBox is open source and free of charge for personal use. " It doesn't state what licence though, but "free of charge for personal use" sort of implies not free for commercial use Perhaps a more clear licence is provided in the download (since it's a DHTML application I assume source is bundled with the download (or maybe there's a way to compile DHTML these days). If there's no source or the license is not clear I suggest you contact the author, details are on the page. -- Tijl Houtbeckers, Nijmegen Femke for president!! ;) ___ jdev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev
