Re: Re[2]: [JDEV] Kid-safe messaging: [was buddy icons]

2001-04-11 Thread David Bovill

Interesting, I think I'd like to implement something along these lines, but
needs pinning down...

 One big vague architectural solution is to establish some kind of "web
 of trust" where transitive buddyhood ([EMAIL PROTECTED] is unknown to me but
 is on one of my buddy's buddy lists) is used as a heuristic to guess
 that someone is legit and therefore not block their messages. The
 problem is how to trawl through the directed graph of buddy lists
 without privacy concerns coming up, since I don't necessarily want all
 my buddies knowing who else is on my buddy list.
 
 Here's a quick thought: Allow each user to keep a private server-side
 list that rates other users positively or negatively. Other users can
 then send special messages to your server to query for your rating of a
 single other user. By sending such a query to your whole buddy list, you
 can compute an aggregate ranking that gives you an idea of whether or
 not to trust or block some unknown user. Should be quite simple to
 implement...
 
 ‹Jens
 

Is anyone else is interested in this? Otherwise Jens I'll mail you off list
when I have something to say -:)


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RE: Re[2]: [JDEV] Kid-safe messaging: [was buddy icons]

2001-04-11 Thread Todd Bradley

 How about having a way for a client to report a message as spam, it
 could send back an iq with the message content and sender, then if
 one user or message is reported many times as spam it will start to be
 blocked, have to be thought out well so as to not allow loop holes for
 abuse.

I like the idea.  But what's to stop that user from just creating a new JID?
We might just see a lot of one-time JIDs pop up as happens with email spam
now.


Todd.

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Re: Re[2]: [JDEV] Kid-safe messaging: [was buddy icons]

2001-04-11 Thread Jens Alfke
 On Wednesday, April 11, 2001, at 01:17 PM, Todd Bradley wrote:

I like the idea.  But what's to stop that user from just creating a new JID?
We might just see a lot of one-time JIDs pop up as happens with email spam
now.

If Jabber really takes off, someone will create a special Jabber server for spammers, which just sends every message from a different randomized fake JID. Although at least, with server-server dialback, they won't be able to fake the server name on their messages (right?)

For this and other reasons I would rather see trust as "opt-in", i.e. people will be blocked unless there is a reason to consider them trustworthy. Or if not blocked completely, then at least downgraded in importance, i.e. messages from them don't pop up on your screen but just get added to a list in a window that you can open once in a while and look through. Sort of like the "Junk?" mailbox that my mail rules throw suspicious messages into.

—Jens