Re: [jdev] (no subject)

[Dave Cridland]

Sheri,

You can get an account from any public server you choose. There's a list
here, for example: https://xmpp.net/directory.php

To the rest of the list members, I'd say we have to make this easier. If
people are taking the effort to join a mailing list in order to ask for
help, this is demonstrably harder than it should be.

Dave.
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Re: [jdev] (no subject)

[Dave Cridland]

On Wed Apr 29 23:04:51 2009, Will Tatam wrote:
It has a whole stack of server dependencies, flash would just be  
client side plus XMPP server of choice, not python, django,  
postgresql ... etc


Ah, I thought Speeqe just needed BOSH.

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Re: [jdev] (no subject)

[Will Tatam]

On 29/04/09 21:20, Dave Cridland wrote:

On Wed Apr 29 21:11:06 2009, Will Tatam wrote:

Anyone recommend any pre-existing flash xmpp conference clients ? I'm
looking at add a flash chatroom to a site

I know I could build by own using XIFF but as i've not done and flash
in about 3 years a pre-existing one would be preferable


Why Flash? Will Speeqe not do?

Dave.


It has a whole stack of server dependencies, flash would just be client 
side plus XMPP server of choice, not python, django, postgresql ... etc

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Re: [jdev] (no subject)

[Sander Devrieze]

2007/7/27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hi,
I want to develop an XMPP server with the following features

snip all possible with XMPP

 I am looking for the  XMPP library either in C or C++.

Which license should this be? BSD, GPL,...?

 I have looked into the following link:
 http://www.jabber.org/software/libraries.shtml

 But did not find even a single library which is in C/C++ and for Server.

I'm not sure if something like that exists. Anyway, isn't it possible
to use an existing XMPP server and extend it? For internal use this
should be no problem at all.

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Re: [jdev] (no subject)

[Norman Rasmussen]

On 7/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I want to develop an XMPP server with the following features

Why? Why? Why?

Trust me, you don't want to develop an XMPP server from scratch, it's
LOTS of hard work.  Rather pick up an existing project and help out.

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RE: [jdev] (no subject)

[Ian Paterson]

 Does this mean the google talk jabber server implementation does not  
 support offline messaging (or JEP-160 as we can now refer to, tnx to  
 stpeter :-) )

Yes. They have no offline message support yet.

- Ian

RE: [jdev] (no subject)

[Michael Finney]

BTW, please forgive the lack of a subject.  My keyboard or Microsoft
operating system went nuts. Not sure which.

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Subject: [jdev] (no subject)

This might be a strange question but.

What is the worst that could happen if a client does not response to  an
IQ-set sent from the server?

iq type=set id=860-11 to=[EMAIL PROTECTED]query
xmlns=jabber:iq:rosteritem jid=[EMAIL PROTECTED]
subscription=none//query/iq

RE: [jdev] (no subject)

[Chris Mullins]

Michael Finney Wrote:
 What is the worst that could happen if a client does 
 not response to  an IQ-set sent from the server?

In practice, there's no real issue with not responding. Most of the
servers are pretty forgiving in this regard, and won't penalize a client
for not responding.

For example, very few clients actually send back iq:result when they
receive a roster push. The RFC says this needs to be sent back, but
speaking as a server developer that frequently tests compatibility
across a wide range of clients, I can say that few do. 

-- 
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Re: [jdev] (no subject)

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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 04:15:24 -0400, Justin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Salman jamali wrote:
 
  Hi justin,
 
  I want you to upload this file again please urgently,
 
  http://www.openaether.org/oawin32.zip
 
 This was a binary build I did once, a lng time ago.  Once I figure
 out how to automate builds on win32 I will put this up again. However,
 it is not a high priority atm.
 
 All of the code can be built easily by vc6 and vc7.
 
  and notify me somehow
 
 Consider this your notification.
 
 
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Re: [jdev] (no subject)

[Justin]

Salman jamali wrote:
Hi justin,
I want you to upload this file again please urgently,
http://www.openaether.org/oawin32.zip
This was a binary build I did once, a lng time ago.  Once I figure 
out how to automate builds on win32 I will put this up again. However, 
it is not a high priority atm.

All of the code can be built easily by vc6 and vc7.
and notify me somehow
Consider this your notification.
Justin
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Re: [jdev] (no subject)

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Re: [jdev] (no subject)

[Trejkaz Xaoza]

On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:38, Alexey Nezhdanov wrote:
9  2004 14:20 Salman jamali (a):
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 Why is so many people promoting these services _here_ ??

Well you know what they say.

Hotmail is only free if your soul is worthless. :-)

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Re: [jdev] (no subject)

[Justin Karneges]

I just telnetted to jabberes.org, port 5222, and pasted in the exact text you 
specified below.  It works fine.

Are you sure your program isn't sending an extra characters, like a null byte?

-Justin

On Wednesday 19 May 2004 5:20 pm, Lautaro Cozzani wrote:
 Hello. I'm new in the list.

 First: I'm sorry, I'm not speek english so well, but i'll try to make my
 best.

 here goes the question:

 I'm in a proyect: I have to make a jabber client 100% compatible.
 The problem is that I cannot connect to any server. And i don´t know what
 happend: the first stream what i had send was:

 stream:stream xmlns:stream=http://etherx.jabber.org/streams;
 xmlns=jabber:client to=jabberes.org

 and the server response to me:
 stream:streamstream:errorInvalid Stream Header!/stream:error

 almost all the times i'm  trying to connect to jabberes.org.
 it wanted to know what is the problem, or some server what is more easy to
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Re: [jdev] (no subject)

[Bart van Bragt]

Gaurav Sharma wrote:
I want to code a J2ME instant messenger for mobile phones. What are
the steps forward. Please help.
I'm still in the process of writing a J2ME client (still trying to get 
started though :D) and there is another guy that's also working on a 
J2ME client (that's a commercial project).

Start with the existing clients on www.jabberstudio.org. The most 
important thing is your licensing requirements. Is GPL acceptable for you?

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Re: [JDEV] (no subject)

[Robert Norris]

On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 08:53:54PM -0800, Lee Chee Sing wrote:
 can anyone pls let me know what is xhash? and what is
 the difference between
 xhash and XML?is it there is no differenct between
 them cause xhash=XML?

xhash is a simple string-to-pointer hashtable implementation that is
used in the jabberd servers (both codebases). It has nothing to do with
XML.

 2nd, if i want to write a programme in incremental
 cryptography by using xhash, is is there is an
 algorigthm for the xhash? 

xhash is not a hash algorithm. Internally, it uses ELF hashes to store
the string, but these hashes aren't cryptographically-strong.

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The component stuff should work with most Jabber servers out there. The 
client stuff is also fine. Feature support is not as extensive as I'd 
like it, but it'll get there.

Twisted is great if you want to build any sort of server-side component 
that is reasonably performant.

D.

On Dec 14, 2003, at 1:47 PM, bombercat wrote:

Looking for a jabber stuff on python I found www.twistedmatrix.com. 
They allready have a code for jabber client and jabber component in 
the library. Did somebody test it? Do it have any additional features? 
Is it more stabile? Of course it`s not a right thing to write such a 
BIG packages, but if it cool enought I think it`s not a serious 
problem.
PS: sorry for my english ;)
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Re: [JDEV] (no subject)

[Ulrich B. Staudinger]

Hi heiner, 

i simply transmitted the complete SVG document (without preamble) in an
x tag in a message in enigma3. 

hope this helps,
ulrich


Am Do, 2003-12-04 um 20.39 schrieb Heiner Wolf:
 Hi,
 
 I am about to implement a whiteboard in Jabber client. 
 
 I found JEP 113, but not much else. Any clients using this?
 
 I remember a discussion about SVG for Jabber whiteboarding, but I can
 not find the thread in the list archives. Any hints before I start
 coding?
 
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  Subject: Re: [xmppwg] XMPP Compliance Precludes inband 
  registrations and
  oldstyle auth
  
  
  On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 10:21:06AM -0800, Chris Mullins wrote:
   Section 9.1.2 of XMPP CORE states: If a client attempts to 
  send an XML stanza over a stream that is not yet 
  authenticated, the server SHOULD return a not-authorized/ 
  stream error to the client. If generated, both of these 
  conditions MUST result in closing of the stream and 
  termination of the underlying TCP connection; this helps to 
  prevent a denial of service attack launched from a rogue client. 

   This implies that a XMPP compliant server (one that is 
  implementing the Should portions) will disallow the older 
  iq:register packets, thereby making inband registration 
  impossible, and will also disallow the older IQ:Auth packets, 
  thereby breaking older clients. 

   Is this intentional? I don't believe that it is. 
  
  It says SHOULD -- not MUST -- so that servers can handle such
  situations. Use your best judgment regarding which stanzas to 
  accept prior to authentication.
  
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Re: [JDEV] (no subject)

[Chris Shafer]

On  0, santosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 hello ,
  
 i'm building my own jabber server n want some help from u
 can u send me a sample jabber.xml and other important configuration files of 
different transports.
 i'll be highly obliged n thankfull to u for the above
thanks
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Ok, I really am being nice this is for your own good. First you really
need to learn how to use the English language. You see like xml the
English language has certain formating rules or else it causes parse
errors. The English language though instead of tags uses grammar such as 
capitalization and punctuation. These may seem trivial to you, but there 
not 
to everyone else in the world and sense we're not the ones asking for   
help perhaps you should play by the rules. 

As for the jabber.xml file, I would read the the server admin guide on  
jabber.org and download the source for jabberd it has one in it. 

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[Matthias Wimmer]

Hi Chris!

Chris Wilkes wrote:


hello, i was wondering what is wrong with the protocol that it can't
take dynamic IP's ?
   


I'm not sure what you mean with that.  Do you mean that clients can't
have a dynamic IP address?  They can.  Servers can have it too as long
as a DNS name points to it.
 

You're right, there is nothing in the protocol that prevents Jabber 
using dynamic DNS addresses that are updated when ever the IP changes. 
But the implementation of jabberd 1.4.x does not allow you to use these 
addresses. It chaces DNS entries it has resolved for two hours and 
doesn't care if the TTL value is shorter.


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Re: [JDEV] (no subject)

[David Waite]

The location of a server is determined by DNS, and thus servers changing 
IPs will cause loss of messages.

-David Waite

Daniel MD wrote:

hello, i was wondering what is wrong with the protocol that it can't 
take dynamic IP's ?   Jabber server, thus moving Jabber closer to a 
peer-to-peer model (currently this would require each device to have 
its own fully qualified domain name). I really would like to implement 
a p2p jabber network.

 

 

Best Regards,

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[Pat Magnan]

At 04:13 PM 1/27/2003 -0700, you wrote:

Daniel MD wrote:


hello, i was wondering what is wrong with the protocol that it can't take 
dynamic IP's ?   Jabber server, thus moving Jabber closer to a 
peer-to-peer model (currently this would require each device to have its 
own fully qualified domain name). I really would like to implement a p2p 
jabber network.

So does the Internet. If you want to change that, take it up with the guys 
who built it ;).

You can probably setup the jabberd server to be called 'localhost' and make 
the clients connect by IP address, why would you want to.. Every client is 
a server, then who gets to be tom or john? How do you route messages with 
such chaos?

Napster et all don't work completely dynamically either, someone somewhere 
controls who you are (server), and says you are johny28382, and then 
figures out you want to talk to susie12 and connects the two IPs directly. 
That server had to be registered in DNS (or have a fixed IP).

Jabber isn't crippled this way. No one cares who the client's IP is, only 
the server must be a known entity. I use Jabber for what is essentially P2P 
communications right now (two instances of my program exchange information 
over jabber), without issues.

If you want p2p file sharing, there's other things that accomplish that 
that are GPL and you can build what you like on top of them. Or use Jabber 
as the server, and the 'clients' can exchange 'file list' type messages 
with multiple other clients simultaneously as a result of a search. 
Personally, that's over engineering an established solution in my books, 
I'd grab a GPL'd p2p program, and extend it rather than kludging an IM 
solution to do it. But, that's my preference.

Jabber does exactly what its been designed to do. And is flexible enough 
(with sufficient work on the developer's part) to do more. Losing the 
'authoritative' server won't make it more flexible imho :).

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Re: [JDEV] (no subject)

[Chris Shafer]

Not all browsers can handle JS. I didn't even bother looking at the JEPs
before I started blazing away at my system. 

Sense HTTP keep alive is part of the http 1.1 standard(rfc 2068) I feel
that most browsers should support this.

~Chris
PS In my last post and forgot to edit before I hit the send button. I
need to get some sleep. 

On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 15:14, Adrian Rapa wrote:
 OK, i was thinking at the folowing 2 ways:
 
 1. Use a http polling component as describe in jep. The problem is that
 there is only one component and is a servlet, so it will run only with
 Java orientaed webserver. SO here should be written a http polling
 component for apache and a php/asp page that will be relaoded periodicaly.
 
 2. Use a continous http connection. i tried this in past but then i have
 in mind to use separate windows like in exodus, but now i am thinking that
 we could use a single window too like in tkabber for example. This method
 has the disadvantage that the connexion can be interrupted and it can be
 reestablished only by loging on.
 I was thinking of using a stream. as the xml came from jabberd the php/asp
 should interpret it and output javascript, html and DHTML
 Also there is a problem with this. i dont know if all browsers can handle
 this IE can for sure.
 
 The java/flash are not very good because not all browsers seport java and
 flash...
 
 If you have any other ideeas.. please post it on the list
 
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[Dave]

Unfortunately, answering a blank message with no subject isn't very easy :-(
Maybe you can help us out here a tad?

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[philippe . raxhon]

I am just curious. Are you going to use an existing library (JabberBeans,
KvmJab, ...) or project?

EdE wrote:
 hi folks,

 we are three people and would like to contribute some code to the
 jabber community. our idea is to establish filesharing over jabber.

 we do this for a project in school which will start monday (7.1.2),
 from that day on we have only three weeks to get it done.

 i talked about our plans with some people in #jdev, a few days ago.
 they told me to post everything to the list. here we go.

 at first i'll explain our ideas below, i should mention that my
 english is not that good as it should be, therefore feel free to
 ask if you don't understand something.

 our main idea is to build a java-client (called jayshare) which
 should operate simultaneously besides other jabber-clients like
 gabber, winjab, jabbernaut, ...
 jayshare should only cover file-sharing; chat, messaging, etc.
 should not be implemented.

 there are 3 main parts (explained in detail below):

 i   getting/sending filelists from/to other users
 ii  browse/search these lists and select files
 iii transferring files from/to other users

 the lists will be stored on the clients machine. this might sound
 a bit strange, but the purpose of jayshare should be to share
 files with your friends rather then with the whole world.
 furthermore we don't want to change anything on the server side.
 even if a transport and a serverbased database would be a good
 idea for this, it would have some disadvantages we want to avoid:

 a: a new transport has to be installed explicitly by the server
admin, so not every server would support that
 b: since a) the server-admin could be made responsible if he
installs this transport: some curious people could have the idea
to share   files that aren't allowed to share
 (copyrighted data,
etc.). some even more curious people will have the idea
 that this
isadmin's fault.we don't want admins to
 be blamed if others do
something nasty. only the users are responsible for their
 doing,
nobody else.
this point is currently very important and since the DMCA and
other strange ideas it will become even more important in future.
 c: writing a transport would take more time, which we don't have
at the moment. our primary goal is to get the basics work, after
that many things can be added, but that's far in the
 future.

 everything should take place in groupchat-mode, in the following way:

 i - swapping filelists

 example:

 Y logs into a room, X is already there.
 if X has Y's filelist, X asks Y for the lastchange-stamp of Y's
 list. if it's newer than the list X has, X's jayshare will request
 the newer one from Y. if X doesn't have Y's list yet, it will also
 do that of course :-)
 after that Y's jayshare will ask for the lastchange-stamp of X's
 list, and so on.


 ii - browsing/searching lists

 since the lists are stored locally browsing/searching can be
 performed anytime the user wants (online or offline).
 the user can either browse and select files by name, size and other
 attributes or he can search on these items. searchable items are
 e.g. name, size, mimetype and description.
 depending on the filetype there can be more: OggVorbis-files e.g.
 should also be searchable by title, author, album and bitrate. etc.
 when a file is selected for download it is necessary to figure out who
 has it. if it's more than one user, a good method should be used to
 determine the most reliable download-peer.
 later it could be implemented to download different parts of a file
 simultaneously from different users.

 the download-request will be written into a queue, downloads will
 start when user goes online and deleted from queue when the file is
 transferred.

 of course filelists are nothing if they could not be build.
 therefore jayshare needs an option to create and edit such a list.


 iii - transferring files

 when the user has selected the files he wants to download, jayshare
 has to ask the other peer about his ip and port where to get the
 files he wants.

 if an other user would like to download some files from us,
 jayshare of course tells them our ip and port where we offer our
 files.

 this is the last thing which will take place in XML. the downloading
 itself will be _like_ http/ftp.


 ok, thats the idea. now it should be discussed here before we
 start the hacking. furthermore it would be interesting if some
 parts of the previous ideas already have been coded and if we
 can rely on it, as soon as the writing is under GPL or
 

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[dlb]

Flabber , by Josh Bauguss , is the only open source Flash client that I know
of - http://www.flabber.org/download.html

his site provides info on the state of this project.




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 I'm interested in doing the entire Flash 5 client. I tried to find out
where
 the project was in it's development, but was unable to find any
information
 at all. I would greatly appreciate it if someone could contact me and let
me
 know what has been done - and what I can do to bring the Flash 5 client
side
 to a close.

 Richard Lyman
 VAYKENT -- on the Flashkit.com XML forums
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[Glenn Young]

Yes, it's possible for it to be done.. By having the 
jabber server send presence for every user to the individual servers.. But it'd 
be very complex


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sean 
  Brown 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 12:51 
  PM
  Subject: [JDEV] (no subject)
  
  Peter Saint-Andre suggested that I pose this question to the list, and 
  make it into a a suggestion. Here is my original question to him:
  
  ---Let's say Ive got the 1.4.1 server up and running with the AOL and 
  MSN transports also installed. I've got three users:
  
  1. Me (WinJab user)2. You (AIM user)3. 
  Someoneelse (MSN user)
  
  Will user 2 and user 3 be able to IM one another, or can only user 1 IM 
  with users 2 and 3? In other words, is it possible to have jabberd 
  running and have NO users running a jabber client? What I'm trying to 
  avoid is setting up this service, then having all my users have to switch 
  their IM clients to a jabber client. I personally love WinJab, but many 
  of my users are reluctant to swith from AIM or MSN. Will they be able to 
  IM each other?
  ---
  
  This, after a couple of e-mails to Peter, seemed like it could work, but 
  is not presently part of the plans for the jabber server. So my 
  suggestion is this. I believe that you would have a tremendously 
  powerful platform if the jabber server could send and receive from any (AIM, 
  MSN, ICQ, YAHOO) client and send to any client. In other words, if 
  jabber could serve as a unifying server to these various clients, you'd have a 
  hell of a market for this. To give you an example, I run a "community" 
  web service called dinnertablechitchat.com. This service allows families 
  or groups a personal space to exchange news, pictures, wishlists, etc. 
  The site is in beta and so far has about 200 users, spanning 70 groups. 
  I recently sent out an e-mail to the users to ask what they would like to see 
  added to the site, and they OVERWHELMINGLY responded: instant messaging 
  and chat. I followed up with a question about whether they would be 
  willing to use a new client for it, and they said no. They wanted to stick 
  with what they've got. That's what prompted the above question to 
  Peter. And I'm sure my 200 member (but growing :) site is tiny compared 
  to some of the established sites out there, and a platform that would allow 
  any IM client to speak to any other IM client would be very valuable.
  
  My $0.02
  
  --Sean Brown[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  
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