Re: What is a permanent agent or slave server when discussing Jenkins?

2016-08-30 Thread Baptiste Mathus 
Again, you're welcome to try and push forward that initiative if you think
it's important.

2016-08-27 20:10 GMT+02:00 Kiran :

> The CM tools have terms for servers that receive changes.  I don't see why
> a CI tool would not have one.  Apparently the Jenkins community is mature
> and has gotten this far with no term.  To me, a term would really make
> things easier.
>
> On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 6:52:23 PM UTC-4, Kiran wrote:
>>
>> In the context of Jenkins, is a slave server one that receives a build?
>> Or is it an auxiliary server that offloads some of the computing demand for
>> resources of a distributed build?
>>
>> With Jenkins 2.x, the term is "permanent agent."  I want to know
>> precisely what to call a server that receives a Jenkins build/deployment.
>> If a file receives code or a file from Jenkins, what is the server called?
>> Is it a managed node?  Is there no term for it?
>>
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Re: What is a permanent agent or slave server when discussing Jenkins?

2016-08-27 Thread Kiran 
The CM tools have terms for servers that receive changes.  I don't see why 
a CI tool would not have one.  Apparently the Jenkins community is mature 
and has gotten this far with no term.  To me, a term would really make 
things easier.

On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 6:52:23 PM UTC-4, Kiran wrote:
>
> In the context of Jenkins, is a slave server one that receives a build?  
> Or is it an auxiliary server that offloads some of the computing demand for 
> resources of a distributed build?
>
> With Jenkins 2.x, the term is "permanent agent."  I want to know precisely 
> what to call a server that receives a Jenkins build/deployment.  If a file 
> receives code or a file from Jenkins, what is the server called?  Is it a 
> managed node?  Is there no term for it?
>

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Re: What is a permanent agent or slave server when discussing Jenkins?

2016-08-24 Thread Daniel Beck 

> On 24.08.2016, at 10:11, Stephen Connolly  
> wrote:
> 
> The "permanent" bit was added to indicate that this is an agent that will 
> stick around

Even more nit: 'permanent' replaced 'dumb'.

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Re: What is a permanent agent or slave server when discussing Jenkins?

2016-08-24 Thread Stephen Connolly 
On Friday 19 August 2016, Baptiste Mathus  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Fwiw, slave in Jenkins 1.x and "permanent agent" in Jenkins 2.x is indeed
> the same thing.
>
>
> Nit:

Agent and slave are the same thing. The "permanent" bit was added to
indicate that this is an agent that will stick around as distinct from an
agent provisioned by a cloud that will be removed when the cloud seems it
idle (ie the cloud ones are "temporary")

>
> This vocabulary change is the result of https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/
> browse/JENKINS-27268 to remove the term 'slave' from Jenkins.
>




> As for your question, I guess there's no general answer. IMO you have to
> go back to asking you what a /server/ does. Serve something?
>
> As for the "slave *server*" term you're using, well I'd be curious if you
> found that in some docs, since the "server" suffix would seem quite wrong
> in general IMO.
>
> My 2 cents
>
> Le 19 août 2016 12:52 AM, "Kiran"  > a écrit :
>
>> In the context of Jenkins, is a slave server one that receives a build?
>> Or is it an auxiliary server that offloads some of the computing demand for
>> resources of a distributed build?
>>
>> With Jenkins 2.x, the term is "permanent agent."  I want to know
>> precisely what to call a server that receives a Jenkins build/deployment.
>> If a file receives code or a file from Jenkins, what is the server called?
>> Is it a managed node?  Is there no term for it?
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Re: What is a permanent agent or slave server when discussing Jenkins?

2016-08-22 Thread Baptiste Mathus 
Well, I guess not. You're probably the first one to ask about this.
The question you're asking seems to me to be quite too generic to have a
dedicated term.

As for defining term in general in OSS and in this project, "asking"
Kohsuke is not how it works. Or I mean, you can do it here in public (not
in private) but Kohsuke, though deeply respected here, cannot define a term
all alone. You could try to gather some people to defend your point, but
given your lack of previous answers, I wouldn't hold my breath if I were
you ;).

Cheers

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Le 20 août 2016 10:46 PM, "Kiran"  a écrit :

> When an organization adopts Jenkins, I think there is a need for a term
> that receives an artifact from Jenkins.  Given that it is open source, how
> does one create a new word?  Should I try to ask Kohsuke Kawaguchi to
> create a term?  When other people talk about Jenkins with non-technical (or
> semi-technical) managers, are they finding a lack of a word for this server
> difficult?
>
> On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 6:52:23 PM UTC-4, Kiran wrote:
>>
>> In the context of Jenkins, is a slave server one that receives a build?
>> Or is it an auxiliary server that offloads some of the computing demand for
>> resources of a distributed build?
>>
>> With Jenkins 2.x, the term is "permanent agent."  I want to know
>> precisely what to call a server that receives a Jenkins build/deployment.
>> If a file receives code or a file from Jenkins, what is the server called?
>> Is it a managed node?  Is there no term for it?
>>
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Re: What is a permanent agent or slave server when discussing Jenkins?

2016-08-20 Thread Kiran 
When an organization adopts Jenkins, I think there is a need for a term 
that receives an artifact from Jenkins.  Given that it is open source, how 
does one create a new word?  Should I try to ask Kohsuke Kawaguchi to 
create a term?  When other people talk about Jenkins with non-technical (or 
semi-technical) managers, are they finding a lack of a word for this server 
difficult?

On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 6:52:23 PM UTC-4, Kiran wrote:
>
> In the context of Jenkins, is a slave server one that receives a build?  
> Or is it an auxiliary server that offloads some of the computing demand for 
> resources of a distributed build?
>
> With Jenkins 2.x, the term is "permanent agent."  I want to know precisely 
> what to call a server that receives a Jenkins build/deployment.  If a file 
> receives code or a file from Jenkins, what is the server called?  Is it a 
> managed node?  Is there no term for it?
>

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Re: What is a permanent agent or slave server when discussing Jenkins?

2016-08-19 Thread Baptiste Mathus 
Hi,

Fwiw, slave in Jenkins 1.x and "permanent agent" in Jenkins 2.x is indeed
the same thing.
This vocabulary change is the result of
https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-27268 to remove the term
'slave' from Jenkins.

As for your question, I guess there's no general answer. IMO you have to go
back to asking you what a /server/ does. Serve something?

As for the "slave *server*" term you're using, well I'd be curious if you
found that in some docs, since the "server" suffix would seem quite wrong
in general IMO.

My 2 cents

Le 19 août 2016 12:52 AM, "Kiran"  a écrit :

> In the context of Jenkins, is a slave server one that receives a build?
> Or is it an auxiliary server that offloads some of the computing demand for
> resources of a distributed build?
>
> With Jenkins 2.x, the term is "permanent agent."  I want to know precisely
> what to call a server that receives a Jenkins build/deployment.  If a file
> receives code or a file from Jenkins, what is the server called?  Is it a
> managed node?  Is there no term for it?
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Re: What is a permanent agent or slave server when discussing Jenkins?

2016-08-19 Thread Eric Pyle 
A Jenkins slave (or agent in 2.x) is a service running on "an auxiliary 
server" as you describe it, which can be assigned jobs to execute by the 
Jenkins master. There is no Jenkins-specific term for a server that 
receives artifacts from Jenkins jobs. You would call it whatever you'd 
call it if Jenkins weren't involved. File server? Deployment target?


Eric


On 8/18/2016 6:52 PM, Kiran wrote:
In the context of Jenkins, is a slave server one that receives a 
build?  Or is it an auxiliary server that offloads some of the 
computing demand for resources of a distributed build?


With Jenkins 2.x, the term is "permanent agent."  I want to know 
precisely what to call a server that receives a Jenkins 
build/deployment.  If a file receives code or a file from Jenkins, 
what is the server called?  Is it a managed node?  Is there no term 
for it?

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