[jira] [Commented] (KAFKA-2758) Improve Offset Commit Behavior
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Guozhang Wang commented on KAFKA-2758:
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We used to put it on hold especially for 1) since KIP-211 is not merged yet,
however even now after KIP-211 is merged we should be careful since a newer
versioned client may talk to an older versioned broker (2.0-) which does not
have KIP-211 yet. We have some plans for automatically detecting broker
versions so I'd suggest before that we do not pick up this ticket yet.
> Improve Offset Commit Behavior
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> Key: KAFKA-2758
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-2758
> Project: Kafka
> Issue Type: Improvement
> Components: consumer
>Reporter: Guozhang Wang
>Priority: Major
> Labels: newbie, reliability
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> There are two scenarios of offset committing that we can improve:
> 1) we can filter the partitions whose committed offset is equal to the
> consumed offset, meaning there is no new consumed messages from this
> partition and hence we do not need to include this partition in the commit
> request.
> 2) we can make a commit request right after resetting to a fetch / consume
> position either according to the reset policy (e.g. on consumer starting up,
> or handling of out of range offset, etc), or through the {code} seek {code}
> so that if the consumer fails right after these event, upon recovery it can
> restarts from the reset position instead of resetting again: this can lead
> to, for example, data loss if we use "largest" as reset policy while there
> are new messages coming to the fetching partitions.
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highluck commented on KAFKA-2758:
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[~guozhang]
Is this issue still open
> Improve Offset Commit Behavior
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>
> Key: KAFKA-2758
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-2758
> Project: Kafka
> Issue Type: Improvement
> Components: consumer
>Reporter: Guozhang Wang
>Priority: Major
> Labels: newbie, reliability
>
> There are two scenarios of offset committing that we can improve:
> 1) we can filter the partitions whose committed offset is equal to the
> consumed offset, meaning there is no new consumed messages from this
> partition and hence we do not need to include this partition in the commit
> request.
> 2) we can make a commit request right after resetting to a fetch / consume
> position either according to the reset policy (e.g. on consumer starting up,
> or handling of out of range offset, etc), or through the {code} seek {code}
> so that if the consumer fails right after these event, upon recovery it can
> restarts from the reset position instead of resetting again: this can lead
> to, for example, data loss if we use "largest" as reset policy while there
> are new messages coming to the fetching partitions.
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Omkar Mestry commented on KAFKA-2758:
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Is this issue still open and if open can I assign it to myself?
> Improve Offset Commit Behavior
> --
>
> Key: KAFKA-2758
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-2758
> Project: Kafka
> Issue Type: Improvement
> Components: consumer
>Reporter: Guozhang Wang
>Priority: Major
> Labels: newbie, reliability
>
> There are two scenarios of offset committing that we can improve:
> 1) we can filter the partitions whose committed offset is equal to the
> consumed offset, meaning there is no new consumed messages from this
> partition and hence we do not need to include this partition in the commit
> request.
> 2) we can make a commit request right after resetting to a fetch / consume
> position either according to the reset policy (e.g. on consumer starting up,
> or handling of out of range offset, etc), or through the {code} seek {code}
> so that if the consumer fails right after these event, upon recovery it can
> restarts from the reset position instead of resetting again: this can lead
> to, for example, data loss if we use "largest" as reset policy while there
> are new messages coming to the fetching partitions.
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Richard Yu commented on KAFKA-2758:
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I just want to say that this issue might no longer be relevant. It appears to
be quite old.
> Improve Offset Commit Behavior
> --
>
> Key: KAFKA-2758
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-2758
> Project: Kafka
> Issue Type: Improvement
> Components: consumer
>Reporter: Guozhang Wang
>Priority: Major
> Labels: newbie, reliability
>
> There are two scenarios of offset committing that we can improve:
> 1) we can filter the partitions whose committed offset is equal to the
> consumed offset, meaning there is no new consumed messages from this
> partition and hence we do not need to include this partition in the commit
> request.
> 2) we can make a commit request right after resetting to a fetch / consume
> position either according to the reset policy (e.g. on consumer starting up,
> or handling of out of range offset, etc), or through the {code} seek {code}
> so that if the consumer fails right after these event, upon recovery it can
> restarts from the reset position instead of resetting again: this can lead
> to, for example, data loss if we use "largest" as reset policy while there
> are new messages coming to the fetching partitions.
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Jeff Widman commented on KAFKA-2758:
item 1 would be significantly more useful if
[KIP-211](https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-211%3A+Revise+Expiration+Semantics+of+Consumer+Group+Offsets)
gets accepted. That would remove the risk off accidentally expiring a
consumers offsets.
> Improve Offset Commit Behavior
> --
>
> Key: KAFKA-2758
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-2758
> Project: Kafka
> Issue Type: Improvement
> Components: consumer
>Reporter: Guozhang Wang
> Labels: newbiee, reliability
>
> There are two scenarios of offset committing that we can improve:
> 1) we can filter the partitions whose committed offset is equal to the
> consumed offset, meaning there is no new consumed messages from this
> partition and hence we do not need to include this partition in the commit
> request.
> 2) we can make a commit request right after resetting to a fetch / consume
> position either according to the reset policy (e.g. on consumer starting up,
> or handling of out of range offset, etc), or through the {code} seek {code}
> so that if the consumer fails right after these event, upon recovery it can
> restarts from the reset position instead of resetting again: this can lead
> to, for example, data loss if we use "largest" as reset policy while there
> are new messages coming to the fetching partitions.
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Guozhang Wang commented on KAFKA-2758:
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[~jjkoshy] That's a good point. The main motivation for 1) is for services like
MM, where a commit request may contains large number of partitions where many
of them contains the same offsets; and the hope is to reduce the request size
for such scenarios. I'm wondering if this is still a good trade-off with
complexity to modify the server-side logic handling commit offset to update the
timestamps from this group id (I think that is primarily dependent on how much
we can save in practice for network bandwidth).
> Improve Offset Commit Behavior
> --
>
> Key: KAFKA-2758
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-2758
> Project: Kafka
> Issue Type: Improvement
> Components: consumer
>Reporter: Guozhang Wang
> Labels: newbiee, reliability
>
> There are two scenarios of offset committing that we can improve:
> 1) we can filter the partitions whose committed offset is equal to the
> consumed offset, meaning there is no new consumed messages from this
> partition and hence we do not need to include this partition in the commit
> request.
> 2) we can make a commit request right after resetting to a fetch / consume
> position either according to the reset policy (e.g. on consumer starting up,
> or handling of out of range offset, etc), or through the {code} seek {code}
> so that if the consumer fails right after these event, upon recovery it can
> restarts from the reset position instead of resetting again: this can lead
> to, for example, data loss if we use "largest" as reset policy while there
> are new messages coming to the fetching partitions.
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