[Jmol-users] Jmol visibility and display state

2006-03-04 Thread Bob Hanson
OK, things are coming along in terms of describing the "display state" 
of Jmol. My goal has been to incorporate a "visibility flag set" into 
the atom and bond data structures. Pretty much that is done now, 
although there are a couple of twists that I'm still not satisfied 
with. Before I do much more, I'd like some input from the Jmol community.


The issue at hand has less to do with what is actually visible than 
what ATOMS are identified as being visible. I'd like to know what YOU 
would expect from commands such as:


select visible
center visible
getProperty("atomInfo","visible")

Specifically:

Q: In a protein or nucleic acid model, where one might display trace, 
backbone, cartoon, ribbons, rockets, etc., independently of the atoms 
or bonds themselves, what would YOU say should constitute "visible" 
when only one of these renderings is in front of you?


For example, for a protein:

Q: If only the "backbone", which connects alpha-carbons is visible, 
then should only those alpha carbons be identified as "visible"?


Q: If only a "trace" is visible, which does not go exactly through any 
particular atoms, then should any atoms be identified as "visible"?


Q: What if we defined "visible" as "the atom is visible as a ball, 
stick, star, halo, or dots, or the residue containing that atom is 
visible in some Rasmol form"? Would that be logical? natural? too strange?


Q: Are there situations where the atom is not "visible" but you can 
nonetheless click on it or hover over it and see it identified? For 
example, the trace-like "rope" of phosphorus atoms along the cartoon 
of a DNA helix is NEAR the phosphorus atoms, but they are not actually 
displayed. So perhaps they should be clickable but not visible? Or 
should they be identified as "visible"?


In general:

Q: If only the label for the atom is visible, is the atom "visible"?

If we can agree on what "visible" means in this context, that would be 
great. I've set this up so it's now trivial to create a definition for 
"visible" anyway we want. But I need to know what people want, and I'd 
just as soon introduce this once, not keep modifying it.


Thanks,

Bob Hanson

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Re: [Jmol-users] Jmol and MediaWiki

2006-03-04 Thread nvervell

Message d'origine
De: "Miguel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>> There was some progress about mid 2005 in getting the Jmol applet
>> working under Wikis. I am particularly interested in wikis running under
>> MediaWiki. I want to be able to display Jmol molecular images on a
>> regular basis on a wiki. Does anyone know whether there has been any
>> progress since last July? I can not find anything.
>
>Not much progress has been made.
>
>Nico has done some work for MediaWiki.
>
>I am very interested in making things work well with MediaWiki ... but I
>am currently swamped with other things.


I haven't work on it for a few months.
The latest version can be found at http://fahwiki.net/
I will probably work on it in a near future, but we need to decide a few things 
with Miguel before.

If you have suggestions on the MediaWiki extension for Jmol, please send them 
to me or to the list.

Nico



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